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MightySparrow:
Do you mean they have their brains washed with the wrong detergent or completely replaced?

I never believed that someone could be brainwashed until I see the effect it has on Jehovah Witness and Muslims. This is why it matters who you listen to. And it's worse when it starts from childhood. Such people's brain have been programmed to reject the truth because they have been exposed to lies for too long.

Banned for indecency!

MaxInDHouse:
So if your Abel Damina is also deceiving his audience where does that lives you?

Someone said Jesus is God and fearlessly speaks against most of your pastors and you welcomed everything he says as truth now you are saying he knows heaven doesn't exist and he will not declare it publicly yet you want people to believe he's still worthy of trust shey?

Ọmọ i told you from the onset that you don't even know what you're saying!

My guy, learn to say someone is speaking the truth when he is saying the truth and when the same person is deviating from the truth you should also say he is deviating.

Taze Russel wasn't a total liar.
But if you continue to take everything he said as truth because he spoke the truth at some point, then understand that you just have one life to live.

You can't continue allow the lie people have said to damage your own life simply because they once said the truth.

Being spiritually naive has never taken anyone anywhere

MaxInDHouse:
You haven't quote where Jesus said
"I am God" or "worship me"
That's what i'm asking please!

I have tried to justify why it can't be explicitly stated and you know how plausible this is.
Matt 16:15-17 & Matt 16:20:
He acknowledged who he was as Messiah privately to his trusted 12 disciples and ordered they shldnt tell anyone. Why order them not to tell anyone?

And if you can't contradict Damina, whom I am not a Fan of and never will, I am tempted to agree with him on this.

I respect their ways a lot.
I will await their next visit with this question if you honestly can't explain the verse.
(no one knows it all, I either).

Shalom!

MaxInDHouse:
Charles Taze Russell that's sitting right beside Jesus Christ in heaven.
Ọmọ learn the truth and stop deceiving yourself!

Ahah but you once claimed Charles is not a Jehovah Witness, so how come he can sitting right beside Jesus in heaven.

Also, Charles who worshipped Jesus, celebrated birthday, and did many things the modern Watchtower has classified as IDOLATRY is the one sitting right beside Jesus in heaven.

It means those you called idolaters today will surely sit beside Jesus in heaven as well.

You people love just deceiving yourselves.

Abel Damina is deceiving his audience you know this yet you are quoting him as a teacher that i need to learn from is that not hypocrisy?

Well if Charles Taze Russell never lied to me then i believe in his teachings than your Abel Damina whom you know as a deceiver yet quoting him!

paxonel:
My guy, learn to say someone is speaking the truth when he is saying the truth and when the same person is deviating from the truth you should also say he is deviating.
Taze Russel wasn't a total liar.
But if you continue to take everything he said as truth because he spoke the truth at some point, then understand that you just have one life to live.
You can't continue allow the lie people have said to damage your own life simply because they once said the truth.
Being spiritually naive has never taken anyone anywhere

chimex38:
I have tried to justify why it can't be explicitly stated and you know how plausible this is.

So Jesus is not God period!

Argumentator i don't have your time today!

Emusan:
Ahah but you once claimed Charles is not a Jehovah Witness, so how come he can sitting right beside Jesus in heaven.
Also, Charles who worshipped Jesus, celebrated birthday, and did many things the modern Watchtower has classified as IDOLATRY is the one sitting right beside Jesus in heaven.
It means those you called idolaters today will surely sit beside Jesus in heaven as well.

MaxInDHouse:
Argumentator i don't have your time today!

Whether you have time today or not, it won't change the fact that you once claimed on this forum that Charles T Russell isn't a JWs.

So whenever you have the time, tell this forum how a person who isn't a JWs can sit right beside Jesus in heaven.

Also, how Charles T Russell who worshipped Jesus, celebrated birthday, and did many things modern day Watchtower classified as IDOLATRY van be sitting right beside Jesus in heaven.

I re oo

MaxInDHouse:
So Jesus is not God period!

It will also do JW a lot of good to expunge Rev 1:17-18 from their NWT Bible if they can't explain it. Otherwise Damina is right this time.. Jesus is God.
I am following the message not the person same way I listen to some JW and others.

No wahala, we don't believe Jesus is God and there is no verse in the entire Bible where Jesus said:
"i am God" or "worship me"
So you can go and worship with Damina it's none of our business!

chimex38:
It will also do JW a lot of good to expunge Rev 1:17-18 from their NWT Bible if they can't explain it. Otherwise Damina is right this time.. Jesus is God.
I am following the message not the person same way I listen to some JW and others.

MaxInDHouse:
This your Abel Damina has condemned most of your pastors and many of you have called him names for that but now that he wants to talk about Jesus being God you're celebrating him.
Please how many of his church members are out there preaching from house to house and door to door just as Jesus commanded all his disciples?
Well Jesus has said about you people:

"This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me.  It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines." Matthew 15:8-9

Jehovah's Witnesses are worshipers of the God who sent Jesus because Jesus himself said:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

So Jesus is one of our brothers we all worship the same God Jesus is not our God!

Your two quotes are contradictory.
Did you notice it?

Or should I point it out for you?

sonmvayina:
Your two quotes are contradictory.
Did you notice it?
Or should I point it out for you?

Mr Reincarnation i'm not taking to you!

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala, we don't believe Jesus is God and there is no verse in the entire Bible where Jesus said:
"i am God" or "worship me"
So you can go and worship with Damina it's none of our business!

Why the outburst? cuz I said explain and if you can't explain expunge. Its literally from your NWT version?
Nothing bad if you cant; No one knows it all.
I await your members..

Seems you're having a bad weekend.. It's well.

chimex38:
Why the outburst? cuz I said explain and if you can't explain expunge. Its literally from your holy book?
Nothing bad if you cant; No one knows it all. I await your members.. Seems you're having a bad weekend.. It's well.

If you have the NWT you're free to quote it out here because there is nothing as such that indicates Jesus as God in our Bible!

@ chimex38

Here is the verse.

When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave. Revelations 1:17-18 NWT

Oya where is it written that Jesus is God or where Jesus claimed to be God or that he said "worship me"

MaxInDHouse:
@ chimex38

Here is the verse.

When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave. Revelations 1:17-18 NWT

Oya where is it written that Jesus is God or where Jesus claimed to be God or that he said "worship me"

Thank you for doing the honors.
I didn't cite the verse to indicate Jesus said "worship me". According to Damina it pointed to his conclusion that Jesus is God.

This takes us back to my first question.
Please explain the verse to me if you have a counter interpretation if you can.

If anyone cares to know the meaning of Revelations 1:17-18 Jesus said he is the first and last among spirit beings who died and was raised from the dead!

Spirit sons of God don't grow old or weak so they can't die naturally but Jesus died for the sin of mankind and was raised from the dead which makes him the first and last to experience these and no other spirit son of God who dies to be raised again because their death will mean direct judgement from God not due to kindness to save as Jesus did!

chimex38:
Thank you for doing the honors.
I didn't cite the verse to indicate Jesus said "worship me". According to Damina it pointed to his conclusion that Jesus is God.
This takes us back to my first question.
Please explain the verse to me if you have a counter interpretation if you can.

Check the above post!

MaxInDHouse:
Check the above post!

I don't get?
Probably let me extract:
 "...and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever...."

Living->Dead-> living forever.
Doesn't this connote Jesus as God?


Modified:
Just seeing your post...didn't see it at First.

chimex38:
I don't get?
Probably let me extract:
 "...and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever...."
Living->Dead-> living forever.
Doesn't this connote Jesus as God?

After Armageddon millions of humans who have died will be resurrection and they also will live forever when death is no more does that that makes such humans Gods?
NO!
So Jesus is here talking about a spirit son of God who once lived for uncountable years in the spirit realms but once died and was raised back to live forever.
That's what Jesus meant here.

In fact his death means is a warning to rebellious angels (spirit sons of God) who thought they can't be destroyed.
Jesus' death means it's possible for them to die if God wants them dead!

MaxInDHouse:
If anyone cares to know the meaning of Revelations 1:17-18 Jesus said he is the first and last among spirit beings who died and was raised from the dead!

Spirit sons of God don't grow old or weak so they can't die naturally but Jesus died for the sin of mankind and was raised from the dead which makes him the first and last to experience these and no other spirit son of God who dies to be raised again because their death will mean direct judgement from God not due to kindness to save as Jesus did!

Hmmm..quite plausible.

So what i picked is that the First and the Last used in Isaiah and Revelation are context based and not literally same meaning. Cuz I know revelation talks more about spirits, the dead, judgement and the likes.

Ok. Thank you.

chimex38:
Hmmm..quite plausible.
So what i picked is that the First and the Last used in Isaiah and Revelation are context based and not literally same meaning. Cuz I know revelation is talks more about spirits, the dead, judgement and the likes.
Ok. Thank you.

Millions of humans that died will be raised back to life {John 5:28-29; Act 24:15} and they will live forever! Psalms 37:29
None of them could claim being the first or last but Jesus who is not from the realm below can say it because he is not from this realm he existed before Adam!

MaxInDHouse:
After Armageddon millions of humans who have died will be resurrection and they also will live forever when death is no more does that that makes such humans Gods?
NO!
So Jesus is here talking about a spirit son of God who once lived for uncountable years in the spirit realms but once died and was raised back to live forever.
That's what Jesus meant here.

In fact his death means is a warning to rebellious angels (spirit sons of God) who thought they can't be destroyed.
Jesus' death means it's possible for them to die if God wants them dead!

OK. I quite get this part. Even the devil wasn't spared in Rev 20.

How About Rev 1: 8 from the beginning of John's visions.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Jehovah God, "the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty."

Because the bolded sounds to me like someone coming on the last day.."Jesus" thus, ascribing to himself the revered word Almighty!

You only need to study the Bible with us to understand all these things.
Moses was the first human to bear that title "God" {Exodus 7:1} because he was the first servant of God given such power to perform miracles so God told the Israelites that another prophet like Moses will be raised among them {Deuteronomy 18:18} apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is that prophet who is to come in the manner of Moses! Act 3:22
Now when God sent Moses to Egypt He (God) said He is going down to Egypt to deliver His people. Exodus 3:8
The question you need to ask is:
Who went down to Egypt?
Jehovah or Moses?
Let me solve the puzzle.
Moses went there in the name of Jehovah so Jehovah was with Moses that is exactly the same thing that happened to Jesus, Jehovah is always with him so if Jesus is coming to destroy evildoers he has the backing as in support of Jehovah.
John 8:29

chimex38:
OK. I quite get this part. Even the devil wasn't spared in Rev 20
How About Rev 1: 8 from the beginning of John's visions.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Jehovah God, "the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty."
Because the bolded sounds to me like someone coming on the last day.."Jesus" thus, ascribing to himself the revered word Almighty!

MaxInDHouse:
You only need to study the Bible with us to understand all these things.
Moses was the first human to bear that title "God" {Exodus 7:1} because he was the first servant of God given such power to perform miracles so God told the Israelites that another prophet like Moses will be raised among them {Deuteronomy 18:18} apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is that prophet who is to come in the manner of Moses! Act 3:22
Now when God sent Moses to Egypt He (God) said He is going down to Egypt to deliver His people. Exodus 3:8
The question you need to ask is:
Who went down to Egypt?
Jehovah or Moses?
Let me solve the puzzle.
Moses went there in the name of Jehovah so Jehovah was with Moses that is exactly the same thing that happened to Jesus, Jehovah is always with him so if Jesus is coming to destroy evildoers he has the backing as in support of Jehovah.
John 8:29

I get you. He's figuratively speaking onbehalf of God kind of...
I have always believed in just one God. But it's difficult to expunge the divine nature of Jesus entirely and what to make of him either.
He is above Angels and all heavenly beings, yet below God Almighty.
What do we make of Him?
Some say Honour, like probably our parents, apostles, etc but that seems low for his status. A mystery of some sort.

Thanks for your exposition nonetheless.

chimex38:
I get you. He's figuratively speaking onbehalf of God kind of...
I have always believed in just one God. But it's difficult to remove the divine nature of Jesus and what to make of him.
He is above Angels and all heavenly beings, yet below God Almighty.
What do we make of Him?
Some say Honour, like probably our parents, apostles, etc but that seems low for his status.
Thanks for your exposition nonetheless.

Let those claiming they are worshiping Jesus prove they know him by obeying his command to go out there and make disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

Note that making disciples differs from gathering people it means turning them into preachers and teachers of God's word who will also go out to preach and teach.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses are doing this that's why all these so called pastors are scared of Jehovah's Witnesses because they know we have what it takes to make real disciples.

Yesterday i met one young man who said he loved listening to Damina but after our discussion he realized that the man is just another deceiver looking for followers on Instagram and Facebook!

MaxInDHouse:
Let those claiming they are worshiping Jesus prove they know him by obeying his command to go out there and make disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

Note that making disciples differs from gathering people it means turning them into preachers and teachers of God's word who will also go out to preach and teach.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses are doing this that's why all these so called pastors are scared of Jehovah's Witnesses because they know we have what it takes to make real disciples.

Yesterday i met one young man who said he loved listening to Damina but after our discussion he realized that the man is just another deceiver looking for followers on Instagram and Facebook!

Doing what? Do you preach the gospel of our Lord Jesus or another gospel? There's a curse placed on those who preach another gospel - Galatians 1:6-8.

The gospel is about the dead, burial and resurrection of Christ from the dead.

Instead of preaching it, you actually oppose it. You claim that Jesus didn’t rise from dead bodily. But you believe that you will rise from the dead bodily. What a contradiction. I have told you several times to come out of this evil cult but you won't hear. Continue until the devil claim your soul for the very hell you deny its existence.

MaxInDHouse:
Agree with Abel Damina on the topic of heaven before coming to JWs!

Calm down, what is the teaching of Dr Abel Damina on heaven that is not agreeable?

Ken4Christ:
Doing what? Do you preach the gospel of our Lord Jesus or another gospel? There's a curse placed on those who preach another gospel - Galatians 1:6-8.

What was the purpose why Jesus commissioned the preaching and teaching work?

If you don't know then whatever you're preaching is heresy!

Jamestaiwo:
Calm down, what is the teaching of Dr Abel Damina on heaven that is not agreeable?

The guy who quoted me said Abel Damina doesn't believe there is a place called heaven yet he came to accuse JWs for not agreeing with Abel Damina who believes in heaven that's why i told him to go and convince Damina first before coming to Jehovah's Witnesses!