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zeuss:
Ife is subordinate to Benin kingdom by many centuries infact benin birthed the Yoruba monarch system. The title Oba is Benin copyright like Emir is caliphate copyright. The caliphate and Emirship is a foreign 19th century contraption

The only thing I want to check is your age. Try Google before you write things like that. It is pathetic abeg

ednut1:
Alaafin is more powerful than ooni . Awolowo was the one who elevated ooni. They should add obi of onitsha to the list

Oyo empire no longer exists

This oyo is not the old oyo


Ife is still Ife till date

zeuss:
Ife is subordinate to Benin kingdom by many centuries infact benin birthed the Yoruba monarch system. The title Oba is Benin copyright like Emir is caliphate copyright. The caliphate and Emirship is a foreign 19th century contraption

I'm sure you did not read History in your Academic years in School,so bringing Fallacy to Re- educates Social Media audiences is just too baldadash.
Every root of Obaship Comes from Ile- Ife.
So,go and learn and stop distorting history!

tunjijones:
This one's have not yet accepted that Igbos are third class citizens in Nigeria.

I'm not Igbo but this comment irritates me. I hate how the Yorubas have totally destroyed the tiny unity we've been managing as a nation

muhammaduyusufu:
Oranmiyan, the first Alaafin of Oyo, was the 5th Ooni of Ife.

He left the lower title for a more prestigious throne in Ife. The throne of Oduduwa. The Olofin, the Oghene.

Awolowo was not born when the Ooni of Ife travelled outside Ife to Lagos and all Oba in Yorubaland including the Alaafin had to stay outside their palace as sign of respect.

The book below (Native crowns) was written by a colonial master in 1903. Awolowo was born much later in 1909.

who did the British sign treaty with putting Yoruba land under British rule?

EvilMerodack:
This is intolerance.
Na everything una dey rej-ect?

na everything Una wan take ? For say na yoruba person dey coach out female team he or she for pick any igbo girl?if we complain we too dey complain,if we keep quiet Una go wan corner everything to south west,

Were they expecting the glorified warrant chiefs, created for them by the colonial masters, to be made permanent co-chair??

SatoshiX:
Who are these ones? 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 The earlier you lot understand you're third class in the pecking order, the better for you. Otherwise you can continue with your delulu

So the ooni of ife is superior to the Oba of benin? The same Beni kingdom thay gave birth to yoruba kingship dynasty? You guys always claim it igbos that want to dominate the south but its you guys! You guys want to dominate everything & everyone simply because a your broda is president. In the oil industry across nigerDelta its the yorubas that dominate all the leadership position including NNPC. The same oil industries milking the ND pay taxes to LASG instead of the govt of their hosts communities.

Who is sponsoring the bill It is highly irresponsible and insensitive to sponsor such a bill at this precarious time in the nation Let each region deal with his traditional institutions Don’t bother the nation with transitional strife now and never Let the government face the economy and insecurity frontally without distractions Abeg spares the country the fight fior supremacy among the traditional rulers Nigeria don’t need. Senate should focus on reducing costs of living for the masses No more no less!!!

FxMasterz:
Correct to some extent. However, I want you to understand that Oranmiyan was himself a prince of a Yoruba king. That means Yoruba existed and had a monarchy before Oranmiyan ventured into Benin. Also, you need to note that Oyo is part of Yoruba. So, a reference to Oyo is not a reference to the whole Yoruba. So, while Oranmiyan left Benin to found the Oyo empire, it does not mean He founded the Yoruba people after leaving Benin. Please differentiate between Oyo and Benin. Oranmiyan's activities do not make Benin older than Oyo. Though it might be correct to say the Benin people existed in Nigeria before the Yoruba people settled in Nigeria. However, the Benin never ruled over Oyo but an Oyo Prince once ruled over Benin. I already attached a screenshot below - taken from Wikipedia.

The bone of contention is that the Benin monarchy cannot birth Yoruba monarchy. The Yoruba monarchy is too vast to be an offspring of the Benin monarchy.

Make whatever you want of it.

Before the arrival of Oranmiyan in Benin, there was already an existing Monarchy and till date , the records of the kings that reigned in Edo are still on record. By the time Benin was created, there was nothing like Yoruba. That's the emphasis. Yoruba as we know it now was first used to refer to Oyo and then recently became an umbrella name for Southwestern Nigerians.

Talking about who birth who between ife and Benin is another topic. There are two narratives on what actually happened and you can decide to go with whatever narrative deoending on whose side you belong.



The contention between Ife

muhammaduyusufu:
Oranmiyan, the first Alaafin of Oyo, was the 5th Ooni of Ife.

He left the lower title for a more prestigious throne in Ife. The throne of Oduduwa. The Olofin, the Oghene.

Awolowo was not born when the Ooni of Ife travelled outside Ife to Lagos and all Oba in Yorubaland including the Alaafin had to stay outside their palace as sign of respect.

The book below (Native crowns) was written by a colonial master in 1903. Awolowo was born much later in 1909.

Interesting insights.

sagitariusbaby:
I'm not Igbo but this comment irritates me. I hate how the Yorubas have totally destroyed the tiny unity we've been managing as a nation

you don’t get irritated when they use derogatory words on others and denigrating another man’s land with such words like, “Lagos is no man’s land” if you are being honest with yourself, can you mention a tribe more accommodating and liberal as the Yorubas? Aside from Lagos, go to every part of yorubaland and see the population of migrant yeebos till they started exhibiting their bad behaviour

koxyz:
The ideal thing is for the chairmanship to be rotated among the six geopolitical zones.

Privileged should not be accorded to certain traditional rulers at the expense of others

Fairness is the key word.

I agree with you at least for the 3 major ethnic groups.

I move that Obi of Onitsha should be included for inclusivity.

saddler:
Make whatever you want of it.

Before the arrival of Oranmiyan in Benin, there was already an existing Monarchy and till date , the records of the kings that reigned in Edo are still on record. By the time Benin was created, there was nothing like Yoruba. That's the emphasis. Yoruba as we know it now was first used to refer to Oyo and then recently became an umbrella name for Southwestern Nigerians.

Talking about who birth who between ife and Benin is another topic. There are two narratives on what actually happened and you can decide to go with whatever narrative deoending on whose side you belong.



The contention between Ife

U have used the Benin obá titie and the population difference to establish what could be the truth between the two accounts.

I have also posted that Ife could not have birthed Benin and Benin could not have birthed Ife. They both existed independently. The bone of contention is "Which monarchy is superior?" or "which monarchy birthed the other monarchy?"

I have drawn inferences from the vastness of each monarchy. The Yorùbá monarchical system with its complex Infrastructure and vastness couldn't have been an offshoot of the smaller Benin kingdom.

The Title of the Benin Oba is the same title as that of a Yoruba prince. That goes a long way to establish the truth in this matter.

The reason for the conflict is that the Benin stiol does not want to acknowledge that a Yoruba prince once ruled over them. This is understandable. But to say a Binin prince founded Yoruba kingdom is really not feasible at all. It can't be. Just see it from a logical perspective.

zeuss:
Ife is subordinate to Benin kingdom by many centuries infact benin birthed the Yoruba monarch system. The title Oba is Benin copyright like Emir is caliphate copyright. The caliphate and Emirship is a foreign 19th century contraption

Unah go sha Dey formulate anything wey come to unah head even when artifact prove that Ife is older than Benin , your oba even said his linage is from a prince from Ife. You worship Ogun , olokun and other Yoruba deities , where do you think all these Orisa come from , Oba of Benin is even refer to as igbakeji Orisa

ProudlyLagos:
you don’t get irritated when they use derogatory words on others and denigrating another man’s land with such words like, “Lagos is no man’s land” if you are being honest with yourself, can you mention a tribe more accommodating and liberal as the Yorubas? Aside from Lagos, go to every part of yorubaland and see the population of migrant yeebos till they started exhibiting their bad behaviour

They've taken their domineering spirit to Ghana and made one of them a king

MrIcredible:
I support 100%

It doesn't make sense at when we have other major tribes.

Even Ooni shouldn't be placed above Alaafin according to Yoruba customs and hierarchy.

What do you mean that Ooni throne shouldn’t be above Alaafin, no be from Ife Oranmiyan comot go Benin and from there go to Oyo to establish the throne. Will Oranmiyan throne be greater than Oduduwa throne

Tareq1105:
They've taken their domineering spirit to Ghana and made one of them a king

they like Mtn, they carry their bad character everywhere they go.

Mrexcell:
Let other traditional rulers in the middle belt, south east and south south just abandon the council for the ooni and sultan and form their own traditional council where there will mutual respect if the bill is passed and signed into law.

Traditional Council of losers.

Akinola2543:
Please don't make racist and tribalistic comments on this section

Nairaland is the headquarters of tribalistic comments

ipobcannibals:
The greatest mistake Nigerians will make is to elect an Igbo man as president….see ordinary small SE, they couldn’t stop I.p.0.b terrorists. Nigeria will be riddled with crime and the Igbo president will just look the other way

You are not contributing to the topic other than trolling, dude get a life

saddler:
Make whatever you want of it.

Before the arrival of Oranmiyan in Benin, there was already an existing Monarchy and till date , the records of the kings that reigned in Edo are still on record. By the time Benin was created, there was nothing like Yoruba. That's the emphasis. Yoruba as we know it now was first used to refer to Oyo and then recently became an umbrella name for Southwestern Nigerians.

Talking about who birth who between ife and Benin is another topic. There are two narratives on what actually happened and you can decide to go with whatever narrative deoending on whose side you belong.


The contention between Ife

An impressive post right ABOVE. Just to add my takes gleaned from decades of personal studies of advanced historical materials.

The Ogisos where NOT necessarily "Kings" but a rulership by "elders." Indeed, people existed in what is now Benin prior to the beginning of the Oranmiyan Dynasty which has it's ORIGINS in the Ufe (Ife) 3rd Dynasty of Osun State. The members of the Royal dynasty are now Benin with Yoruba paternal ancestry and aboriginal maternal Egor origin through Oba Eweka 1, the biological son of Oba Oranmiyan who did NOT stay long but left to Ife and hence founded the Oyo Kingdom (Oyo itself existed then but Oranmiyan transformed it into a Kingdom) The Ogiamien family head has already granted media interviews in the past to The Guardian newspaper which is still online, emphasizing that there were people of Yoruba origin (the name Yoruba did NOT come into formal use till 1843 through the great linguist and clergyman Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther who coined it for the Oyo people to represent the entire Yoruba Country) who had intermarried and fathered children with aboriginal women of the former "Igodomigodo" now Benin over 800 years ago long before Prince Oranmiyan's arrival through the Yoruba Kingdom of USEN (formerly known as Ife Kekere) now in Ovia South West LGA of Edo State with Oba Oluogbe 11, the Olu Awure of Usen as the current King or Oba of USEN. Prince Afelogiyan who was the older biological brother of the then Prince Oranmiyan and both grandchildren of Oduduwa (NOT children of Oduduwa as claimed in the 2016 coronation speech of the current Oba Ewuare 11) became the FIRST EVER traditional ruler of USEN in Edo State. The Usen royal family and the Bini-Edo royal family are direct relatives and USEN plays an important role in the coronation ceremony of every Oba of Benin but have NEVER denied they are from Ufe or Ife from the Yoruba ethnic group. This is why the family salutations of those in Benin from the noble High Chiefs to those on the street level who originally have their ancestral roots from Ife in Yorubaland is "Delauhe" meaning "How is Ife?"
The Oba of Benin is saluted with "Lamogun" emphasizing the Yoruba deity or God of War and Iron (Ogun). But Bini-Edo is Bini-Edo and Yoruba is Yoruba and the distinction MUST be respected because Bini are NOT Yoruba and vice versa (even though there are some historical, ancestral, religious and cultural connections between the two groups). Distinctions also exist especially in language and more. The brilliant historian, Professor 'Banji Akintoye also hammered on this same FACT.

The ancestors of the people who constitute the Yorubas of today already existed long before even Oduduwa was born. Oduduwa came to what is now Ile Ife (spelled "Ufe" in the dialect) from the hilly Yoruba community of Oke-Ora (Oke means Hill and Ora means a Yoruba deity) which is just 8 miles away from the Ife in the same Osun State. Because of this FACT of Ife's connection with Oke-Ora, before any Oba or Ooni of Ife is about to be crowned, he has to go to Oke-Ora as part of the ceremonial rites).

The word "Yoruba" officially came into existence in 1843 in the books (Yoruba-English Dictionary and Yoruba vocabulary) written by the great linguist and Anglican clergyman Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther (who is a direct descendant of the Emperor of the Oyo Empire, Alaafin Abiodun of the Oyo Empire who reigned in the late 1700s) and was derived from the name of the Oyo people (the founders of the Oyo Empire) who are one of the major subgroups of the larger Yoruba people (Aworis, Ijebus, Ilajes, Ekitis, Ijesas, Ondos, Owos, Ikales, Okuns, Igbominas, Ajase and Ketu of Benin Republic, Ife of Togo, etc) of Yorubaland which extends from Nigeria to Benin Republic and Togo.

The people who make up what is now Yorubaland have been in existence for centuries before even Oduduwa or Oranmiyan where born.

The Oduduwa Dynasty is the 3rd Dynasty in Ufe or Ife and 2 other Dynasties have existed before Oduduwa arrived over 900 years ago from his hometown just 8 miles away.

The great historian and Nigeria's former Ambassador to Germany, Professor Jide Osuntokun and even Professor Banji Akintoye, have emphasized these FACTS in their books that the BEGINNING of a new dynasty does NOT equate to the origin of an ethnic group or a people. Prof. Jide Osuntokun emphasized that autochthonous communities existed in what is now Yorubaland long before the Oduduwa Dynasty started based off of archaeology evidence and more. Therefore Oduduwa represents just one out of the many ancestors of the Yoruba ethnic group (especially the ruling Kings or Obas) of today who extend as indigenous people from Nigeria to Benin Republic and Togo, with significant populations spread from Ghana, Cote D'Ivoire, Sierra Leone, Gambia, and other major population centers of the world.

ProudlyLagos:
you don’t get irritated when they use derogatory words on others and denigrating another man’s land with such words like, “Lagos is no man’s land” if you are being honest with yourself, can you mention a tribe more accommodating and liberal as the Yorubas? Aside from Lagos, go to every part of yorubaland and see the population of migrant yeebos till they started exhibiting their bad behaviour

What are the derogatory words are you talking about? Lagos has been known as a no man’s land and will always be as far it’s part of Nigeria, stop crying over something you have no control, it will do you a lot of good

What is so special about Ooni of Ife and Sultan of Sokoto that they would be made permanent co-chair of TRC in a nation of more than 200 ethnic groups with their different traditional rulers?

These senators are they drunk or what?

They've all sold their dignity that they can never be recognized when they make a speech or reject any inhuman treatment



Y'all sold ur right to negotiate!!!

saddler:
There is nothing like Nri or Eze nri whatsoever kingdom.

All igbos agree that igbos dont practice Monarchial style of government.

All these nri this , Aro that are all attempts at revisionism.

Lol. Who told you Igbos didn't have kings? The Igbos had monarchies in places like Nri, Aro, Onitsha and Agbor before colonialism. However, the Igbo kings were not absolute monarchs because there was still a practice of village democracy similar to the Greeks. Or will you say the Greeks didn't have kings too?