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DeepSight:
I am done. You ceded the debate. I will not go round in circles.

🤨Nice chatting with you. You didn't disprove anything. Just redundancy over and over again. I didn't use such cheap tactic by asking you, "whether you were the one typing?". But you will rather ask such mundane questions that we have exemplified under physical constraints🤦🏾‍♂️.

Every decision is known and if God wills to do something he configures or guides the actors to fulfill this decision with both subject to free will!—"Configure" as it relates to circumstances and "guide" as it relates with alignment!

Gabrielshow24:
🤨Nice chatting with you. You didn't disprove anything. Just redundancy over and over again. I didn't use such cheap tactic by asking you, "whether you were the one typing?". But you will rather ask such mundane questions that we have exemplified under physical constraints🤦🏾‍♂️.

Every decision is known and if God wills to do something he configures or guides the actors to fulfill this decision with both subject to free will!—"Configure" as it relates to circumstances and "guide" as it relates with alignment!

I wasnt writing for you. For future readers.
I knew you would never be reasonable - even when you wrote a clear admission which ended the discussion.
You simply didnt realize it, which shows you are not up to such discussions.

I only used minimal effort by the way.

You may not realize another admission is in the bold.

FreeIgboho:
"Put right by who?". What do you call this below, after which you went quiet?

So my absence was taken as evidence that you were right🤨? Make it make sense. I was offline, I came online a while back and started engaging mentions. I didn't even see that... Now that you have brought it up let me address it.

Nope, choice is dependent on circumstances. You choose from options available in a circumstance based on the internalization of the said circumstance!

Your brain is automated to assist you with some functions while core decisions are left to you. This doesn't negate free will. It just shows the coexistence of free will with predetermined systems! We have been through this already.

All the specific pleadings that you can ever bring up are a set of circumstances under "physical constraints"! This doesn't negate the intrinsic ability of "internalization" that results in decision making!

DeepSight:
I wasnt writing for you. For future readers.
I knew you would never be reasonable - even when you wrote a clear admission which ended the discussion.
You simply didnt realize it, which shows you are not up to such discussions.

I only used minimal effort by the way.

You may not realize another admission is in the bold.

You can bold whatever clause you want, it won't change the coexistence of both systems.

I don't care whether you used minimal effort, what I am interested in is the congruence of your posits. I even asked you to disprove that the set of actions exclusive physical constraints were not your own —something you didn't do by the way.

Thanks, it's nice knowing people like you exist.

Gabrielshow24:
You can bold whatever clause you want, it won't change the coexistence of both systems.

I don't care whether you used minimal effort, what I am interested in is the congruence of your posits. I even asked you to disprove that the set of actions exclusive physical constraints were not own —something you didn't do by the way.

Thanks, it's nice knowing people like you exist.

Have a nice evening.

DeepSight:
The bold ends this discussion.

@FreeIgboho - see.

Oh the discussion ended before that, just that my brother Christian, Gabrielshow24, refuses to be intellectually honest. Simply put, between external constraints you never chose and internal constraints within the brain that you also never chose, there's simply no space for freewill

FreeIgboho:
Oh the discussion ended before that, just that my brother Christian, Gabrielshow24, refuses to be intellectually honest. Simply put, between external constraints you never chose and internal constraints within the brain that you also never chose, there's simply no space for freewill

I know. Its just that even where he wrote a clear admission he didnt know it. Then wrote a second admission and still didnt know it. That i cant handle.

Boomark:
Please don't say things I didn't say.


I told you to show me the scripture where you got omniscient from and what it means.

So I agreed with you, God is not omniscient! Soo why do they say Jesus can't be God because he's not omniscient - because he said he didn't know when the world would end??

FreeIgboho:
Oh the discussion ended before that, just that my brother Christian, Gabrielshow24, refuses to be intellectually honest. Simply put, between external constraints you never chose and internal constraints within the brain that you also never chose, there's simply no space for freewill

🤦🏾‍♂️ refused to be intellectually honest? I am not concerned with your specific propaganda of "no free will". I am more concerned about seeing the picture in full. The coexistence of such!

Be it internal or external, I have summed them up under physical constraints. Apart from these everything else is from your volition. Simple as that. Both you and your colleague can't disprove this. Fin.

Any one can infer a statement as an admission because of their bias. I am not interested in such frivolities, I have accounted for both perspectives. Be it divine or physical.

All these that are talking are exhibiting their freewill at this moment but yet they are proponents of the "lack of it"! It's a coexisting system! As simple as that. The lack or abundance of it doesn't change this!
That's my admission! Not whatsoever was interpreted to fit their narrative!

Gabrielshow24:
Any one can infer a statement as an admission because of their bias. I am not interested in such frivolities, I have accounted for both perspectives. Be it divine or physical.

All these that are talking are exhibiting their freewill at this moment but yet they are proponents of the "lack of it"! It's a coexisting system! As simple as that. The lack or abundance of it doesn't change this!
That's my admission! Not whatsoever was interpreted to fit their narrative!

Too late for damage control man.

DeepSight:


Too late for damage control man.

What damage control? —observer bias at Its peak. It's the same thing I said before. Right from the very beginning you argued against such coexistence. What then is the relevance of this statement? When I have reiterated this over and over again!

All my analogies aimed to exemplify this, yesterday you accpeted the fact that you have free will and didn't negate it. If any one is doing damage control then it's you. I am not swayed by misdirected remarks. Prove to me that all your decisions are not yours🤨—Till now, not you nor your colleague have done so!


Good bye!

Gabrielshow24:
What damage control? —observer bias at Its peak.

I know its hard living with your own words -

Gabrielshow24:
As long as I know all circumstances, I can ensure that one specific circumstance will occur.

Man up. It will be here forever.

DeepSight:
I know its hard living with your own words -



Man up. It will be here forever.

It emphasizes divine configuration—I like to see it this way—of circumstances. Nothing more, nothing less.

In the same way, the star that led the three wise men was configured to glow at that said moment! If your entire refuttal is based on this then 😂😂😂my friend, you have to do better!

Gabrielshow24:
It emphasizes divine configuration—I like to see it this way—of circumstances. Nothing more, nothing less.

In the same way, the star that led the three wise men was configured to glow at that said moment! If your entire refuttal is based on this then 😂😂😂my friend, you have to do better!

I didnt even start. I wrote little or nothing. I dont need to since you have ceded.
Freewill is a matter that can take zillions of academic papers.

But i will not waste energy when you are clearly not up to it, capacity-wise/ no offense.
The admissions are enough.

Gabrielshow24:
So my absence was taken as evidence that you were right🤨? Make it make sense. I was offline, I came online a while back and started engaging mentions. I didn't even see that... Now that you have brought it up let me address it.

Nope, choice is dependent on circumstances. You choose from options available in a circumstance based on the internalization of the said circumstance!

Your brain is automated to assist you with some functions while core decisions are left to you. This doesn't negate free will. It just shows the coexistence of free will with predetermined systems! We have been through this already.

All the specific pleadings that you can ever bring up are a set of circumstances under "physical constraints"! This doesn't negate the intrinsic ability of "internalization" that results in decision making!

"Your brain is automated to assist you with some functions while core decisions are left to you."

This is about one of the funniest of things to say!😅
So what is the "you" that will make core decisions?
And with what brain will it make it??
There is no "you" without your brain and the conditioning it received over a lifetime, going back to even before birth!

You can ONLY make a choice with your brain - a brain you didn't choose and had no hand in programming. A brain whose workings you'er hardly aware of, talkless of understanding or influencing!

Boomark:
If there had been a bible challenge, this topic won't have gotten to over 40 pages. And still yet nobody knows the truth because everyone is posting whatever they want as the truth. It will continue like this. Even if we figure out the truth, those who have left already will only know what they know.

If we have the truth on the first 1 to 5 pages, then we direct people to it any time. All these post I post will not solve anything.

There'll continue to be arguments about doctrine till Jesus comes. If you want, you can open yet another thread for discussion.

DeepSight:
I know. Its just that even where he wrote a clear admission he didnt know it. Then wrote a second admission and still didnt know it. That i cant handle.

Talk of refusing to see something starring you in the face!😅

Gabrielshow24:
🤦🏾‍♂️ refused to be intellectually honest? I am not concerned with your specific propaganda of "no free will". I am more concerned about seeing the picture in full. The coexistence of such!

Be it internal or external, I have summed them up under physical constraints. Apart from these everything else is from your volition. Simple as that. Both you and your colleague can't disprove this. Fin.

If you were intellectually honest you'd see that everything ends with the brain with it's programming - a programming you had no hand in. And even if you were to influence it, you'd still influence it with thoughts that originate in the same brain by a process you neither understand nor can influence!

FreeIgboho:
This my thread. Search above

Gathering info and thinking is freewill. Ever been in a class where a smart student decided not to assimilate anything? Even on this thread, we're not all gathering all information provided. Some choose just to brush through, skip a bulk, a pick what they want.

FreeIgboho:
So I agreed with you, God is not omniscient! Soo why do they say Jesus can't be God because he's not omniscient - because he said he didn't know when the world would end??

I don't discuss with dishonest and deceitful people. Pretending they didn't see what is required of them.

Bye

Image123:
Gathering info and thinking is freewill. Ever been in a class where a smart student decided not to assimilate anything? Even on this thread, we're not all gathering all information provided. Some choose just to brush through, skip a bulk, a pick what they want.

But that is still due to the type of brain they have, which they didn't choose, and it's conditioning over a lifetime, which they also had no hand in

Boomark:
I don't discuss with dishonest and deceitful people. Pretending they didn't see what is required of them.

Bye

Poor guy don vex. Please tell me exactly what you find "dishonest and deceitful" and I'll apologize and correct

FreeIgboho:
"Your brain is automated to assist you with some functions while core decisions are left to you."

This is about one of the funniest of things to say!😅
So what is the "you" that will make core decisions?
And with what brain will it make it??
There is no "you" without your brain and the conditioning it received over a lifetime, going back to even before birth!

You can ONLY make a choice with your brain - a brain you didn't choose and had no hand in programming. A brain whose workings you'er hardly aware of, talkless of understanding or influencing!

The context warrants decision-making systems in the brain. Nothing more, nothing less. The brain is a complex system. This was what I meant by that although I didn't put it in the clearest of terms!

Irrespective of all these, your brain comes to reasonable decisions on various subjects. We have stretched this argument far too long.

DeepSight:
I didnt even start. I wrote little or nothing. I dont need to since you have ceded.
Freewill is a matter that can take zillions of academic papers.

But i will not waste energy when you are clearly not up to it, capacity-wise/ no offense.
The admissions are enough.

Talk is cheap brother. If you want to do so well, prove to us that all what you wrote up there isn't yours!👀

You can't argue against the existence of something when its effects slaps you in the face! Once more there is a coexistence between both and nothing you say can change this!

Gabrielshow24:
Talk is cheap brother. If you want to do so well, prove to us that all what you wrote up there isn't yours!👀

You can't argue against the existence of something when its effects slaps you in the face! Once more there is a coexistence between both and nothing you say can change this!

I have nothing to prove. I am 16 years on this board, you can find out yourself past discussions.
With what you have shown, it wouldn't be worth my while.

A person has to grasp basic logic for a discussion to be useful.

You argue that square circles exist, that a man existed who was fully man and fully God you will probably also say that 2 plus 1 is one.
If you want to face something, face the red in this post.

DeepSight:
I have nothing to prove. I am 16 years on this board, you can find out yourself past discussions.
With what you have shown, it wouldn't be worth my while.

A person has to grasp basic logic for a discussion to be useful.

You argue that square circles exist, that a man exists who is fully man and fully God, you will probably also say that 2 plus 1 is one.

🤦🏾‍♂️My God, how is wisdom so hard to find? I argue for the coexistence of free will and pre-determined systems.

In the set of universality of choices both are within this! In the set of shapes, both circles and squares are within this! How is this hard for someone to understand?

In the set of infinity both (infinity👀 and finity exist with it). Talk about someone not using logic! 😂

That's why Jesus can be God and fully man. Man is a finite "representation of the divine" and God's fullness is infinite. Hence if Jesus willed he would exhibit finite concepts and if he wanted infinite concepts. When he wanted to ascend to heaven, he subverted Gravity the same with Death!

God have mercy! 😂

FreeIgboho:
Poor guy don vex. Please tell me exactly what you find "dishonest and deceitful" and I'll apologize and correct

I will show you. But the poor guy is no longer interested.

Boomark:
You are having a wrong thought. You need to redirect your thoughts to the truth and not on man-made doctrine.

Show me at least one scripture that called God omniscient and what it means.

Please don't borrow any info from anywhere. Focus on the scripture.


How do fortune tellers know more than God? This one is not even an issue.

Jeremiah 1:5 is something like this:

Before you cook beans you know. If you want to use the beans to drink garri or fight pest, you know. Then you will send your word to that beans and tell it Your Will. Shikina. That's if you have powers.

FreeIgboho

See it here

Dishonesty everywhere even in little things

Gabrielshow24:
🤦🏾‍♂️My God, how is wisdom so hard to find? I argue for the coexistence of free will and pre-determined systems.

In the set of universality of choices both are within this! In the set of shapes, both circles and squares are within this! How is this hard for someone to understand?

In the set of infinity both (infinity👀 and finity exist with it). Talk about someone not using logic! 😂

That's why Jesus can be God and fully man. Man is a finite "representation of the divine" and God's fullness is infinite. Hence if Jesus willed he would exhibit finite concepts and if he wanted infinite concepts. When he wanted to ascend to heaven, he subverted Gravity the same with Death!

God have mercy! 😂

Forget freewill, that ship has sailed. You conceded. Also leave infinity because we will enter theoretical mathematics and that I certainly will not do with your limitations. I gave you several pointers as to why God cannot be fully man. You ran away. Here again. -

Man can sin, God cannot.

Man cannot raise himself from the dead, God cannot even die.

Man is imperfect, God is perfect.

Man is corruptible, God is not.

I can go on and on.

To claim that anyone is fully man, he must have all the frailties, weaknesses and limitations of man. Which man knows that when he dies he will rise in three days? Which man says before Abraham was I AM? Which man does a transfiguration? Which man says he sat by the right hand of the Father? Which man was born by a virgin? This last one in fact ends the discussion because if anyone's mother was impregnated by the Holy Spirit, that is simply not a man at all.

You didnt touch these. No creature which is "fully man" can have these qualities.

However let me add a few far above your head.

Man is not eternal in the past. But God is.

Man is not self-existent. But God is.

Man is created. God is not created.

For these reasons no entity you say is completely God can ever be completely man.

It is impossible.

DeepSight:
Forget freewill, that ship has sailed. You conceded. Also leave infinity because we will enter theoretical mathematics and that I certainly will not do with your limitations. I gave you several pointers as to why God cannot be fully man. You ran away. Here again. -

Man can sin, God cannot.

Man cannot raise himself from the dead, God cannot even die.

Man is imperfect, God is perfect.

Man is corruptible, God is not.

I can go on and on.

To claim that anyone is fully man, he must have all the frailties, weaknesses and limitations of man. Which man knows that when he dies he will rise in three days? Which man says before Abraham was I AM? Which man does a transfiguration? Which man says he sat by the right hand of the Father? Which man was born by a virgin? This last one in fact ends the discussion because if anyone's mother was impregnated by the Holy Spirit, that is simply not a man at all.

You didnt touch these. No creature which is "fully man" can have these qualities.

However let me add a few far above your head.

Man is not eternal in the past. But God is.

Man is not self-existent. But God is.

Man is created. God is not created.

For these reasons no entity you say is completely God can ever be completely man.

It is impossible.

I didn't concede in freewill. I exemplified my reconciliation of both systems. Whether you intrepreted it as a concession, is your own problem!

Now, nice points but I suppose that Komodo dragon that give birth that way are likewise God. Since they too can be born through immaculate conception. Let me also add a few above your head for you.

Man can use the restroom, man can sleep etc.
Jesus did all this! He was asleep when the ship wanted to capsize🤔.

Like I have said before, infinity contains all finite sets. God, Jesus, having infinity means he can limit himself based on his will. He slept, he ate, he drank etc he was perfect, he did not sin, he was not corruptible, he died! —Physically for the purpose of salvation!

I suppose based on your logic, he is not fully man and he is not fully God. Perhaps an hybrid😂!

If you like get into theoretical knowledge of infinity, you will meet me there. Like I said earlier, I majored in the STEM field! Even the fact I use "set" consistently should have hinted that I have solid background knowledge on STEM concepts!

Gabrielshow24:
I didn't concede in freewill. I exemplified my reconciliation of both systems. Whether you intrepreted it as a concession, is your own problem!

Now, nice points but I suppose that Komodo dragon that give birth that way are likewise God. Since they too can be born through immaculate conception. Let me also add a few above your head for you.

Man can use the restroom, man can sleep etc.
Jesus did all this! He was asleep when the ship wanted to capsize🤔.

Like I have said before, infinity contains all finite sets. God, Jesus, having infinity means he can limit himself based on his will. He slept, he ate, he drank etc he was perfect, he did not sin, he was not corruptible, he died! —Physically for the purpose of salvation!

I suppose based on your logic, he is not fully man and he is not fully God. Perhaps an hybrid😂!

If you like get into theoretical knowledge of infinity, you will meet me there. Like I said earlier, I majored in the STEM field! Even the fact I use "set" consistently should have hinted that I have solid background knowledge on STEM concepts!

You know what, lets take it one by one and be brief so we can see how far you run.

1. Is it the full nature of natural man to be the creator of all that exist.

That is, can any man, who is a "full man" be the creator? Be brief because I want you to answer all. One liners are best. I will not argue, we will leave the answers there for posterity. Go on.