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DeepSight:
You know what, lets take it one by one and be brief so we can see how far you run.

1. Is it the full nature of natural man to be the creator of all that exist.

That is, can any man, who is a "full man" be the creator? Be brief because I want you to answer all. One liners are best. I will not argue, we will leave the answers there for posterity. Go on.

Thanks for the offer but I will pass. I have already made my point likewise the bible has provided answers to this. "HE took on flesh" 🤤

Gabrielshow24:
Thanks for the offer but I will pass. I have already made my point likewise the bible has provided answers to this. "HE took on flesh" 🤤

Hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Fear!

You know the truth! You have already seen ahead! Impossible questions to answer!

The so called taking of flesh cannot answer anything. It would not cease to make him THE CREATOR, eternal, self existent, perfect, incorruptible, and born by the Holy Ghost - none of which NO MAN can ever be.

For the record (not for you, for future readers), man cannot be -

Both eternal and not eternal.

Both created and uncreated.

Both self existent and not self existent.

Both perfect and imperfect.

Both corrupt and incorrupt.

Both capable of sin and incapable of sin.

And both natural born and born by the Holy Spirit.

You know these are inescapable contradictions and thus Jesus can never be full man and fully God.

OFF with you now!

Next time dont prance around with what you dont know.

DeepSight:
Hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Fear!

You know the truth! You have already seen ahead! Impossible questions to answer!

For the record (not for you, for future readers), man cannot be -

Both eternal and not eternal.

Both created and uncreated.

Both self existent and not self existent.

Both perfect and imperfect.

Both corrupt and incorrupt.

Both capable of sin and incapable of sin.

And both natural born and born by the Holy Spirit.

You know these are inescapable contradictions and thus Jesus can never be full man and fully God.

OFF with you now!

Next time dont prance around with what you dont know.

In conclusion, Jesus is an hybrid😂! Wisdom of Deepsight.

We won't agree and I won't waste my time again! Every attribute of both divine and nature was fulfilled by Jesus. He was fully man and God!

Bye!

Gabrielshow24:
In conclusion, Jesus is an hybrid😂! Wisdom of Deepsight.

We won't agree and I won't waste my time again! Every attribute of both divine and nature was fulfilled by Jesus. He was fully man and God!

Bye!

Full men are not hybrids of God and Man.

I am sure you have learnt not to play with toys for adults.

DeepSight:
Full men are not hybrids of God and Man.

I am sure you have learnt not to play with toys for adults.

I must have missed the memo on your definition of hybrid. Wonderful stuff😂. What then shall we say of Jesus that exhibited the full extent of human attribute and the full extent of the divine🤦🏾‍♂️.

In the logic of Deepsight, Hybrid—The first of his kind 😂. Such adult toys indeed👀.

Once again. Bye! We will resolve our differences some other day.

For the sake of the reader, Christianity posits an hypostatic union not a mixture as our Good friend here demands.

In the context of "fully God", this bears essence to his divine nature and the "fully man" bears essence to his earthly dispositions. He ate, he drank, he slept and possibly went to rest rooms👀, although some contend this".

Jesus encapsulates both under one being not as a mixture nor hybrid😂!

Gabrielshow24:
The context warrants decision-making systems in the brain. Nothing more, nothing less. The brain is a complex system. This was what I meant by that although I didn't put it in the clearest of terms!

Irrespective of all these, your brain comes to reasonable decisions on various subjects. We have stretched this argument far too long.

Now you're being honest - your brain comes to the decisions! If only we had another organ we control that can monitor and override the brain!

FreeIgboho:
Now you're being honest - your brain comes to the decisions! If only we had another organ we control that can monitor and override the brain!

🤦🏾‍♂️ This reminds me of that meme from naked gun 3, where the audience hit their heads in unison😂. My bro, I don tire for you. Kindly take clay and make one yourself. Even if such organ existed, you will still contend you had no free will!

See whatsoever you want to see! As for me, I see a union! You can prefer to see chaos at this point, I care less. For the reader, your brain is a predetermined system that helps you interact with everyday life and circumstances. From these, you form decisions, beliefs etc that help to decide your outcome.

Not whatever propaganda 🤨 my christian brother hoped to achieve. Infact, he is currently exhibiting his free will😂. Good night!

Gabrielshow24:
I must have missed the memo on your definition of hybrid. Wonderful stuff😂. What then shall we say of Jesus that exhibited the full extent of human attribute and the full extent of the divine🤦🏾‍♂️.

In the logic of Deepsight, Hybrid—The first of his kind 😂. Such adult toys indeed👀.

Once again. Bye! We will resolve our differences some other day.

For the sake of the reader, Christianity posits an hypostatic union not a mixture as our Good friend here demands.

In the context of "fully God", this bears essence to his divine nature and the "fully man" bears essence to his earthly dispositions. He ate, he drank, he slept and possibly went to rest rooms👀, although some contend this".

Jesus encapsulates both under one being not as a mixture nor hybrid😂!

Do normal men have a hypostatic union?

IS it in the nature of man to have a hypostasis like that?

Can a normal man be the creator of the universe?

Normal men are eternal in the past?

Normal men are uncreated?

Normal men are self existent?

Abeg. GO and sit down.

DeepSight:
Do normal men have a hypostatic union?

IS it in the nature of man to have a hypostasis like that?

Can a normal man be the creator of the universe?

Abeg. GO and sit down.

And that's how you have proved that Jesus is fully man and God!😂

Hybrid😂...Wonders shall never end🤦🏾‍♂️!

Gabrielshow24:
And that's how you have proved that Jesus is fully man and God!😂

Hybrid😂...Wonders shall never end🤦🏾‍♂️!

You are the one who used the word hybrid.
You then described it as Christ's hypostasis with God.

Which normal man is either?

When we say "full man" we mean completely like a man in every way. So stop being pedantic by running to whether he slept or ate. Serious issues are -

Can a normal man be the creator of the universe?

Normal men are eternal in the past?

Normal men are uncreated?

Normal men are self existent?

Abeg. GO and sit down.

Gabrielshow24:
🤦🏾‍♂️ This reminds me of that meme from naked gun 3, where the audience hit their heads in unison😂. My bro, I don tire for you. Kindly take clay and make one yourself. Even if such organ existed, you will still contend you had no free will!

See whatsoever you want to see! As for me, I see a union! You can prefer to see chaos at this point, I care less. For the reader, your brain is a predetermined system that helps you interact with everyday life and circumstances. From these, you form decisions, beliefs etc that help to decide your outcome.

Not whatever propaganda 🤨 my christian brother hoped to achieve. Infact, he is currently exhibiting his free will😂. Good night!

I'm not exhibiting any free will at all. If I had different genes, circumstances, and experiences, I'd be a different person all together - and not by choice!

This Trinity indoctrination is a serious problem.

For two millenia, supposedly educated people twisting themselves in knots to say why "full man" is the creator and "full God" is the created!
Explaining why it is human to be the creator of the universe!
And why it is divine to also be a created being!

And why it is human to be perfect and eternal and self existent!
And why it is divine at the same time to be imperfect, and contingent!

Just because someone told them God knocked up a girl in Judea!

FreeIgboho:
I'm not exhibiting any free will at all. If I had different genes, circumstances, and experiences, I'd be a different person all together - and not by choice!

Your posts contradict you! 😂

DeepSight:
You are the one who used the word hybrid.
You then described it as Christ's hypostasis with God.

Which normal man is either?

When we say "full man" we mean completely like a man in every way. So stop being pedantic by running to whether he slept or ate. Serious issues are -

Can a normal man be the creator of the universe?

Normal men are eternal in the past?

Normal men are uncreated?

Normal men are self existent?

Abeg. GO and sit down.

Was Jesus not "completely like a man" in every way? 😂 Shey Jesus no be "full man" before🤣?

Guy, go and sit down. You're still proving the point why Jesus is fully man and fully God! 😂—If you can't see it then I can't help you 😂.

Gabrielshow24:
Was Jesus not "completely like a man" in every way? 😂 Shey Jesus no be "full man" before🤣?

Guy, go and sit down. You're still proving the point why Jesus is fully man and fully God! 😂—If you can't see it then I can't help you 😂.

Men are not the creators of the universe, men are not eternal, men are not self existent.
Worst of all, men are not born by Holy Spirit knacking.
Neither is it like them to be any such thing.
Good night.

Gabrielshow24:
Your posts contradict you! 😂

Go ahead, say how.
You can't because what I said was 100% true!

DeepSight:
This Trinity indoctrination is a serious problem.

For two millenia, supposedly educated people twisting themselves in knots to say why "full man" is the creator and "full God" is the created!
Explaining why it is human to be the creator of the universe!
And why it is divine to also be a created being!

And why it is human to be perfect and eternal and self existent!
And why it is divine at the same time to be imperfect, and contingent!

Just because someone told them God knocked up a girl in Judea!

Yet you believe God is in each one of us and everywhere AND at same time localized only in heaven! And you believe God can listen to a billion prayers at once. But you can't believe that God has the power to temporarily reduce or drop his Godness and that he can have manifestation or offshoot of himself visit earth!

Maybe you should revisit this below from the front page of the thread:

Before you dispute any of these remember:

1) You don't have the foggiest idea what God is like, nor can you imagine what he is like.

2) You don't have the foggiest idea what God's attributes are. So forget all the attributes you have in your head - they were assigned by man. You simply don't have the foggiest idea what God's attributes are or are not. So forget all attributes you assign to God!

3) If God is explained to you as straight forward and quite uncomplicated, you can be sure they are giving u man's version of God, NOT God as he is.

4) God exists in a dimension you can neither visualize, explain, nor comprehend.

5) So how do you know God? The ONLY way is the way it happened with Jesus. ANYONE that all those things happened with is God the Son of God. You can't know him any other way. You can't know him by logic, reasoning, or attributes. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY!!

FreeIgboho:
Yet you believe God is in each one of us and everywhere AND at same time localized only in heaven! And you believe God can listen to a billion prayers at once. Yet you can't believe that God has the power to temporarily reduce or drop his Godness and that he can have manifestation or offshoot of himself visit earth!

Maybe you should revisit this below from the front page of the thread:

Before you dispute any of these remember:

1) You don't have the foggiest idea what God is like, nor can you imagine what he is like.

2) You don't have the foggiest idea what God's attributes are. So forget all the attributes you have in your head - they were assigned by man. You simply don't have the foggiest idea what God's attributes are or are not. So forget all attributes you assign to God!

3) If God is explained to you as straight forward and quite uncomplicated, you can be sure they are giving u man's version of God, NOT God as he is.

4) God exists in a dimension you can neither visualize, explain, nor comprehend.

5) So how do you know God? The ONLY way is the way it happened with Jesus. ANYONE that all those things happened with is God the Son of God. You can't know him any other way. You can't know him by logic, reasoning, or attributes. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY!!

The red and the blue are contradictory.
If we cant ever have the foggiest idea of what GOD is, how can you then know that it can be known through Jesus.
What is the evidence that GOD in fact did so?

As for the green, the total cannot be encapsulated in a minuscule infinitesimal part. Also what does it even mean? How can you say you have no idea what GOD is, and then claim that the source of existence can reduce or drop itself? That means you know its nature already. The idea is also absurd. The ocean cannot empty into a teacup.

Aside frm this, anyone can claim so, as many have. I am sure you know Jesus is not the only one who that has been attributed to.

In general, many question remain. Why cant I say i am the one God temporarily dropped his divinity to reside in? Any one can claim so. Its nothing beyond a fantasy very common in the world.

As for your first line I never claimed I believed any of that.
I have only been using the presumptions of Christians to combat their logic. I dont know that there is any place called heaven.

Face it - God, if IT exists, is completely unknowable.

DeepSight:
Men are not the creators of the universe, men are not eternal, men are not self existent.
Worst of all, men are not born by Holy Spirit knacking.
Neither is it like them to be any such thing.
Good night.

And the creator of the universe doesn’t have the power to do all things or have a part of himself do all those things. Wehdone

FreeIgboho:
And the creator of the universe doesn’t have the power to do all things or have a part of himself do all those things. Wehdone

OK, so why dont you also call an ant God?
Remember that you are not attributing GODNESS to all creatures. You are attributing it to ONE specific man.
Basically because someone told you so.

Understand that we are discussing the fundamental nature of man, and saying he is the creator.
You will thus be saying that fundamentally, each man, each creature is GOD.

Thats not a Christian idea.

DeepSight:
The red and the blue are contradictory.
If we cant ever have the foggiest idea of what GOD is, how can you then know that it can be known through Jesus.
What is the evidence that GOD in fact did so?

As for the green, the total cannot be encapsulated in a minuscule infinitesimal part. Also what does it even mean? How can you say you have no idea what GOD is, and then claim that the source of existence can reduce or drop itself? That means you know its nature already. The idea is also absurd. The ocean cannot empty into a teacup.

Aside frm this, anyone can claim so, as many have. I am sure you know Jesus is not the only one who that has been attributed to.

In general, many question remain. Why cant I say i am the one God temporarily dropped his divinity to reside in? Any one can claim so. Its nothing beyond a fantasy very common in the world.

As for your first line I never claimed I believed any of that.
I have only been using the presumptions of Christians to combat their logic. I dont know that there is any place called heaven.

Face it - God, if IT exists, is completely unknowable.

I guess you didn't read the first part of the original post. Here it is. Read it and say if you still think any other person in human history has been like Jesus.


Reasons why Jesus is DEFINITELY God the Son of God:

1) Thousands of years before he was born prophets prophesied that God was coming to visit us. Old Testament (OT) is full of references to his coming.
No other person in the history of mankind has this happened with.

2) Before he came a mighty prophet was sent to prepare his way. John the Baptist (JohnTB) said that was all he came to do. And that he (a mighty prophet) was not fit to untie Jesus' shoe.

3) At his baptism a dove descended on him and a voice from heaven (identified as God the Father), proclaimed, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased," (Matthew 3:17)

4) When he finally came, he himself said he was the long-awaited God and did things God would do - he was after people's souls not money, he forgave sins, accepted worship, raised people from dead, and said he himself was the truth, the life, and the righteousness, and no one came to his Father except through him.

5) He said you'd know he's truly God the Son because his words would never pass away

6) He said he'd raise himself from the dead, and did just that and in such a way that the wrappings used to wrap the body were NOT disturbed

7) Thousands of years after his death he's being worshipped as God and his words have never passed away - exactly as he said!

8} He is worshipped interchangeably with the Father. No other person has been so worshipped
in human history.

9) The Father has been pleased with his worshippers and showered them with blessings. They also worship and call on the Father constantly and he accepts their prayers.

10) He is alive and active in people's lives TODAY!
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FreeIgboho:
I guess you didn't read the first part of the original post. Here it is. Read it and say if you still think any other person in human history has been like Jesus.


Reasons why Jesus is DEFINITELY God the Son of God:

1) Thousands of years before he was born prophets prophesied that God was coming to visit us. Old Testament (OT) is full of references to his coming.
No other person in the history of mankind has this happened with.

2) Before he came a mighty prophet was sent to prepare his way. John the Baptist (JohnTB) said that was all he came to do. And that he (a mighty prophet) was not fit to untie Jesus' shoe.

3) At his baptism a dove descended on him and a voice from heaven (identified as God the Father), proclaimed, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased," (Matthew 3:17)

4) When he finally came, he himself said he was the long-awaited God and did things God would do - he was after people's souls not money, he forgave sins, accepted worship, raised people from dead, and said he himself was the truth, the life, and the righteousness, and no one came to his Father except through him.

5) He said you'd know he's truly God the Son because his words would never pass away

6) He said he'd raise himself from the dead, and did just that and in such a way that the wrappings used to wrap the body were NOT disturbed

7) Thousands of years after his death he's being worshipped as God and his words have never passed away - exactly as he said!

8} He is worshipped interchangeably with the Father. No other person has been so worshipped
in human history.

9) The Father has been pleased with his worshippers and showered them with blessings. They also worship and call on the Father constantly and he accepts their prayers.

10) He is alive and active in people's lives TODAY!
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All of these are claims also made by and about many other figures.
PS: You have no proof of any ressurection.

DeepSight:
OK, so why dont you also call an ant God?
Remember that you are not attributing GODNESS to all creatures. You are attributing it to ONE specific man.
Basically because someone told you so.

Understand that we are discussing the fundamental nature of man, and saying he is the creator.
You will thus be saying that fundamentally, each man, each creature is GOD.

Thats not a Christian idea.

I don't know what you're talking about. Please read the above carefully then come and repeat what u said clearer

DeepSight:
All of these are claims also made by and about many other figures.
PS: You have no proof of any ressurection.

This is a blatant lie. Only Jesus has all this happened with and if it happens with any other person I'll also believe the person is God - God the second Son or such

FreeIgboho:
This is a blatant lie. Only Jesus has all this happened with and if it happens with any other person I'll also believe the person is God the second Son or such

I cant teach you history. Or theology. All these have been said of many people.
And I repeat, how do you know anyone ressurected?

FreeIgboho:
I don't know what you're talking about. Please read the above carefully then come and repeat what u said clearer

Take it one at a time. If God can work through his creation, why cant he be working through an ant right now?

As to fundamental nature of man, we said that man is not the creator of all.
And indeed he is not.

You simply are trying hard to say that one specific Jewish man is the creator of all simply because you have been indoctrinated.
Same claim is made by Olumba Olumba Obu right here in Nigeria.
Same claim is made by Abd Ru Shin, the writer of the Grail Message.
And countless others.

DeepSight:
I cant teach you history. Or theology. All these have been said of many people.
And I repeat, how do you know anyone ressurected?

Who else has been prophesied as God comming hundreds of years before he came, when he came said he was God, and has been worshipped as God for over 2000 years!
No one even comes close

DeepSight:
Take it one at a time. If God can work through his creation, why cant he be working through an ant right now?

As to fundamental nature of man, we said that man is not the creator of all.
And indeed he is not.

You simply are trying hard to say that one specific Jewish man is the creator of all simply because you have been indoctrinated.
Same claim is made by Olumba Olumba Obu right here in Nigeria.
Same claim is made by Abd Ru Shin, the writer of the Grail Message.
And countless others.

READ what I wrote! Do you read at all? READ!!!
Who prophesied Olumba for hundreds of years as God comming, which worldwide has worshipped him for 2000 years??

FreeIgboho:
Who else has been prophesied as God comming hundreds of years before he came, when he came said he was God, and has been worshipped as God for over 2000 years!
No one even comes close

First and foremost what gives you the right to create a special list of things that apply to God, when you say God is unknowable?
There you go. See the contradiction?

So I have no reason to respect your list.
Many things there are just meaningless. Such as saying that he claimed to be God. Many have claimed that. Such as saying his words are alive today. What is the Quoran? Such as saying that he was prophesied - most religions claim the same of their founders. Such as saying a Dove came over his head. Thousands if not millions of similar stories exist about religious figures. Such as saying he was resurrected. Not a shred of proof of that. If we are to take what is written in the Bible as proof of something like that, be ready to take all the fantastic events recorded in other books as well.

Ensure you attend to this post, especially the red.

DeepSight:
Take it one at a time. If God can work through his creation, why cant he be working through an ant right now?

As to fundamental nature of man, we said that man is not the creator of all.
And indeed he is not.

You simply are trying hard to say that one specific Jewish man is the creator of all simply because you have been indoctrinated.
Same claim is made by Olumba Olumba Obu right here in Nigeria.
Same claim is made by Abd Ru Shin, the writer of the Grail Message.
And countless others.

God can do anything he wishes to do. You're trying to understand him from human perspective

FreeIgboho:
READ what I wrote! Do you read at all? READ!!!
Who prophesied Olumba for hundreds of years as God comming, which worldwide has worshipped him for 2000 years??

See above. Who made you the creator of a list of God's attributes when you say no one can know God?
I can create my own list you know?