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gohf:
What does freewill mean to you?

If it means freedom to do whatever a person desires then isn't that more of an illusion than "freewill" as even if you believe you can fly while jumping off a mountain would you, meaning you are not free to fly.

Why not show us what and how you understand freewill is.

By the way Jesus said this in John.8.36, So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Do not assumed that humans have some sort of freedom we are under the bondage of the flesh sin and death and only Jesus can give us freedom.

God did give us a choice to choose that freedom, John.3.16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

So it doesn't matter where a person is born or the kind of brainwashing they have undergone, if they choose to obey God and follow his son Jesus Christ they will be truly free and no more bond by those things you listed above, by their flesh and carnal reasonings and all.

Thanks for your response. Free will means you're the one responsible for the processes within your brain that led to a decision.
Example: when Adam's brain decided to eat the fruit, could Adam have overridden it? If so, that thing he would have used to override it is the reservoir of freewill

gohf:
What does freewill mean to you?

If it means freedom to do whatever a person desires then isn't that more of an illusion than "freewill" as even if you believe you can fly while jumping off a mountain would you, meaning you are not free to fly.

Why not show us what and how you understand freewill is.

By the way Jesus said this in John.8.36, So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Do not assumed that humans have some sort of freedom we are under the bondage of the flesh sin and death and only Jesus can give us freedom.

God did give us a choice to choose that freedom, John.3.16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

So it doesn't matter where a person is born or the kind of brainwashing they have undergone, if they choose to obey God and follow his son Jesus Christ they will be truly free and no more bond by those things you listed above, by their flesh and carnal reasonings and all.

You can't truly obey God or follow Jesus unless you are born again first.

FreeIgboho:
Not with the way it happened with Jesus (over thousands of years and by unimpeachable people).
See a list of who has to be wrong:
*Isaiah and other prophets (prophets who were never wrong)
* John the Baptist
* The 3 kings who worshipped him as an infant
* Peter and other apostles
* Jesus himself who said he was the Alpha and Omega and the "I AM"
*The 300 bishops at Nicea who were almost unanimous
* Etc

1. The so called prophecy in Isaiah linked to the Messiah was not written by the Prophet Isaiah.
2. There were no 3 Kings.
3. What Jesus purportedly said was not written by any first hand witness.
4. The Nicean Council was centuries later than the time of Jesus so it is irrelevant what the decided as they are not first hand witnesses.
5. Which other prophets are you talking about? They don't have names?
6. None of the apostles penned down what Jesus said as first hand witnesses.

You have provided nothing in the way evidence as all you said has been refuted.

LordReed:
Eleventy billion wrong people are still wrong. Their vast numbers don't make them right.

Speak it abeg. As if the belief held for generations that the Earth was the centre of the universe was true for the fact that it was held by so many and for generations. Does this fella stop to consider the millions who have held one belief or the other for generations?

There is something amiss with this fella oh. On a serious note.

gohf:
1. Scripture states God was coming to judge not die shed his blood for sins.

2. John the baptist never declared Jesus to be God. He declared Jesus to be the son of God stating that the one who sent John revealed it to him

3. God called Jesus is son, a product from him. If he were god like you claimed the truth would be God declaring that this was him in the flesh

4. Jesus never said he was the or any "long awaited" God. The things Jesus did were the things God has been doing through his servants but much more was done through his son Jesus Christ.

5. Jesus is God's son and not God the son, for there is only one true God, his father the Almighty creator of all.

6. Jesus did not raise himself from the dead, God did, God gave him the power to lay his life and take it up again. He could do nothing without God's power and permission.

7. Jesus being worshipped by God is by the deception of the devil, that brought in such corruption

8. Jesus is worshipped as our Lord, the Christ anointed by God, as commanded by God. Men have been worshipped as kings, as fathers etc

9&10 sound like things made up to make it up to 10

1. Isaiah 53 abd Psalm 22 foretold this

2. God can't have a son because there is no mother. So son here is not son as we think. Son means an offshoot of God, a "manifestion" of God which is also God

3. See numbe 2. Jesus is part of God. God!

4. Jesus said if you see him you've seen God, accepted worship unlike anyone else in the Bible, was after souls not money, said he was Alpha and Omega, said he'd come into people's hearts, etc

5. God can't have son without mother. "Son of God" can only somehow be God himself

6. When Jesus said "destroy this temple and I'll raise it in 3 days" Who did he say would raise it?

7. You're making God out to be totally powerless

8. No other person in the history of the world has come close to being like Jesus

9. This is very powerful. Yahweh would NEVER allow anyone worshipped with him or in his place unless he approves

10. Testimonies of Jesus as active in people's lives abound

FreeIgboho:
Not with the way it happened with Jesus (over thousands of years and by unimpeachable people).
See a list of who has to be wrong:
*Isaiah and other prophets (prophets who were never wrong)
* John the Baptist
* The 3 kings who worshipped him as an infant
* Peter and other apostles
* Jesus himself who said he was the Alpha and Omega and the "I AM"
*The 300 bishops at Nicea who were almost unanimous
* Etc

Alas, you have mistaken the Bible for a History Text Book.
It is full of a lot of myth, legends and Jewish lore / fantasies. Alot there was also borrowed from much older cultures and traditions mainly to the East.

How many of these do you consider events that we can take as history -

1. That a snake spoke to a woman in a Garden called Eden

2. That a donkey spoke to a prophet while on a journey

3. That angels slept with women to produce giants

4. That a man slept in the belly of a fish for three days

Do you regard these as historical events for which we can say, yes, we hold them true and we can use as evidence of truth of your claims?

Gabrielshow24:
I didn't raise any question. You raised such in your bid to render the prayer of Paul useless. You posted that question and I have answered you scripturally, I even surmised that such should have been taught to you in Sunday school!

I won't indulge you any longer, as it will only be a waste of time. I have referred you to Godel's refutation if my biblical exemplification was not enough—Possibly, with your Church's Sunday school lessons.

Your dogmatic stance even against direct, or circumstantial facts is appalling and riddikulus!

In other words you don't know.
Can someone please help us answer this question:
Why does an all-good, all-powerful God allow evil?

Gabrielshow24:
From the product of the internalization of your circumstances

When circumstancial facts and evidence are dismissed by you, then definitely any further engagement is futile.

Believe what you want to believe, even against reason, and I will believe in the coexistence of both systems! bye👋

Can you please elaborate?
Example: when Adam's brain decided to eat the fruit, could Adam have overridden it? If so, what is that thing he would have used to override it, and where is it located?

LordReed:
1. The so called prophecy in Isaiah linked to the Messiah was not written by the Prophet Isaiah.
2. There were no 3 Kings.
3. What Jesus purportedly said was not written by any first hand witness.
4. The Nicean Council was centuries later than the time of Jesus so it is irrelevant what the decided as they are not first hand witnesses.
5. Which other prophets are you talking about? They don't have names?
6. None of the apostles penned down what Jesus said as first hand witnesses.

You have provided nothing in the way evidence as all you said has been refuted.

How do you KNOW all this, and how do you KNOW what you read in most books are true? How are you sure some historical figures really existed? Why do you believe black holes, dark matter, trillions of galaxies, etc exist?

DeepSight:
Alas, you have mistaken the Bible for a History Text Book.
It is full of a lot of myth, legends and Jewish lore / fantasies. Alot there was also borrowed from much older cultures and traditions mainly to the East.

How many of these do you consider events that we can take as history -

1. That a snake spoke to a woman in a Garden called Eden

2. That a donkey spoke to a prophet while on a journey

3. That angels slept with women to produce giants

4. That a man slept in the belly of a fish for three days

Do you regard these as historical events for which we can say, yes, we hold them true and we can use as evidence of truth of your claims?

How are you sure your history textbooks don't also contain myth, legends and lore? The Bible has NOTbeen proven false!

FreeIgboho:
How do you KNOW all this, and how do you KNOW what you read in most books are true? How are you sure some historical figures really existed? Why do you believe black holes, dark matter, trillions of galaxies, etc exist?

Here you come again with this nonsense of arguing with reality, shooting yourself in the foot.

FreeIgboho:
How are you sure your history textbooks don't also contain myth, legends and lore? The Bible has NOTbeen proven false!

Because they dont contain the sort of supernatural fantasies I listed for one thing. They could be inaccurate, that's for sure, but show me one history text that mentions a talking snake, and I will drop the matter.

DeepSight:
Speak it abeg. As if the belief held for generations that the Earth was the centre of the universe was true for the fact that it was held by so many and for generations. Does this fella stop to consider the millions who have held one belief or the other for generations?

There is something amiss with this fella oh. On a serious note.

Of course he doesn't! And here he comes again with arguing with reality.

LordReed:
Here you come again with this nonsense of arguing with reality, shooting yourself in the foot.

I humbly submit you really don't know

DeepSight:
Because they dont contain the sort of supernatural fantasies I listed for one thing. They could be inaccurate, that's for sure, but show me one history text that mentions a talking snake, and I will drop the matter.

Talking in a sense akin to telepathy NOT literal talking

FreeIgboho:
Talking in a sense akin to telepathy NOT literal talking

Where have you seen telepathy in a history book please.

FreeIgboho:
I humbly submit you really don't know

If I don't know then neither do you so again your argument is defeated.

DeepSight:
Where have you seen telepathy in a history book please.

He will soon tell you telepathy doesn't refer to telepathy or book doesn't refer to book. LoLz.

LordReed:
He will soon tell you telepathy doesn't refer to telepathy or book doesn't refer to book. LoLz.

Boomark:
You are having a wrong thought. You need to redirect your thoughts to the truth and not on man-made doctrine.

Show me at least one scripture that called God omniscient and what it means.

Please don't borrow any info from anywhere. Focus on the scripture.


How do fortune tellers know more than God? This one is not even an issue.

Jeremiah 1:5 is something like this:

Before you cook beans you know. If you want to use the beans to drink garri or fight pest, you know. Then you will send your word to that beans and tell it Your Will. Shikina. That's if you have powers.

I never even saw this until you just reposted it to FxMasterz. I have so many mentions, I always miss some, plus I don't think some appear on my mentions at all.
Now I've seen this, here's my answer to you:

The Bible consistently describes God as possessing infinite knowledge, which is the meaning of omniscient. Many verses highlight God's comprehensive knowledge and awareness of past, present, and future, as well as His deep understanding of all humans and their thoughts and actions:

*God knows everything:
Psalm 147:5 says, "Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit."
*God knows our thoughts and hearts:
Psalm 139:4 states, "Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O LORD, you know it altogether."
*God knows the future:
Isaiah 46:9-10 says, "declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things not yet done."
*God sees all:
1 John 3:20 states, "for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything."
*God is the source of wisdom and knowledge:
Job 28:24 says, "For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens."
*No creature is hidden from God:
Hebrews 4:13 says, "And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account."
*God knows our needs before we ask:
Matthew 6:8 says, "For your heavenly Father knows what you need before you ask him."

These verses, among others, consistently point to God's all-encompassing knowledge (omnisciece)

LordReed:
If I don't know then neither do you so again your argument is defeated.

I have not definitively said anythimg is false. You're the one saying things are false

DeepSight:
Where have you seen telepathy in a history book please.

See below

FreeIgboho:
See below

You are giving me definitions of the term? Meaning and studies? Are you joking? I am wasting my time with you.
Next thing you will produce studies on magic and the definitions.

FreeIgboho:
*God knows everything:
Psalm 147:5 says, "Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit."

*God knows the future:
Isaiah 46:9-10 says, "declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things not yet done."

These alone disqualify Jesus from being God since he said himself he does not know everything -
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father - MATT 24 V 36

End of debate, yet again.

DeepSight:
You are giving me definitions of the term? Meaning and studies? Are you joking? I am wasting my time with you.
Next thing you will produce studies on magic and the definitions.

Here's what u said verbatim: Where have you seen telepathy in a history book please.

It turns out history books are full of telepathy!

DeepSight:
These alone disqualify Jesus from being God since he said himself he does not know everything -
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father - MATT 24 V 36

End of debate, yet again.

See lack of understanding. This is why people keep arguing what they don't know.
"God" comprizes the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. God knows everything. The Father has some functions that the son doesn't and vice versa. One of the Father's functions is knowledge of the day or hour

FreeIgboho:
Here's what u said verbatim: Where have you seen telepathy in a history book please.

It turns out history books are full of telepathy!

You can't be helped.
There isn't telepathy in historical texts.
Just as there isn't magic in historical texts.
Just as there isn't Juju in historical texts.
Just are there aren't mermaids in historical texts.
Just as there aren't unicorns in historical texts.
Just as there aren't fairies in historical texts.

However if you look for research into any of these, descriptions of the lore of any of these, philosophical ideals of any of these, you will find plenty material.

That does not mean that historical texts record any such things as real.

Historians do not.

However I know already you can't grasp this.
I am convinced you are not alright.

FreeIgboho:
See lack of understanding. This is why people keep arguing what they don't know.
"God" comprizes the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. God knows everything. The Father has some functions that the son doesn't and vice versa. One of the Father's functions is knowledge of the day or hour

You said the Son is God.

If he was, he would know everything.
He said he doesn't know everything.
This simply means he is not God.

Secondly the Trinity actually teaches that all these parts are the same person. If they were indeed the same person, then again the son would know everything.

End of.

DeepSight:
You can't be helped.
There isn't telepathy in historical texts.
Just as there isn't magic in historical texts.
Just as there isn't Juju in historical texts.
Just are there aren't mermaids in historical texts.
Just as there aren't unicorns in historical texts.
Just as there aren't fairies in historical texts.

However if you look for research into any of these, descriptions of the lore of any of these, philosophical ideals of any of these, you will find plenty material.

That does not mean that historical texts record any such things as real.

Historians do not.

However I know already you can't grasp this.
I am convinced you are not alright.

I can't believe this! History texts with telepathy abound. See just some below

DeepSight:
You said the Son is God.

If he was, he would know everything.
He said he doesn't know everything.
This simply means he is not God.

Secondly the Trinity actually teaches that all these parts are the same person. If they were indeed the same person, then again the son would know everything.

End of.

He is NOT the Father!!!! One of the Father's job is to know that date and hour. God Jesus doesn't concern himself with that

FreeIgboho:
I can't believe this! History texts with telepathy abound. See just some below

Those are descriptions of religious beliefs not of historical events.

It's like googling about Juju or voodoo and sending me what you find about such practices and beliefs and then saying that such are actual events in history.

Let me help you. You need help..

So what you need to do is find a Historical Text which has been academically produced by Historians which says something like this -

"In the year 43 BCE, Julius Caesar was murdered by voodoo which was activated through the telepathy of Marcus Brutus, and so ended his Dictatorship, leading to the civil wars resulting in the emergence of the Empire."

That is what such being recorded as historical events would look like.

I hope you understand.

FreeIgboho:
He is NOT the Father!!!! One of the Father's job is to know that date and hour. God Jesus doesn't concern himself with that

The Trinity claims they are one.