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FreeIgboho:
In more than one place the Bible calls God a MAN. "MAN of war", for example. Jesus called himself "Son of MAN"

"God's servant" as his Son, NOT in the sense of prophets or angels!

Yes it supports my claim. This was someone who came to suffer and die for atonement of sins of the world. John 1:29 “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world"

2. Jesus of "Before Abraham I am" had Mary as mother! So Mary was God's wife, therefore before Jesus!

4. How do you reconcile this with all this below:
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
AND
John 14:9 “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
AND
Mathew 16
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
AND
John 20:28
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
AND
John 8
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him... (for obviously claiming to be God)
AND
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"
AND
Mark 14,: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus...
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?”
(Here again Jesus uses the divine "I am"}

Heb 1:6 So let all the angels worship a servant!

You mean Exod.15.3 The LORD is a warrior; the LORD is his name.
or is it
Isa.42.13 The LORD will march out LIKE a mighty man, LIKE a warrior he will stir up his zeal; with a shout he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his enemies.

Hmmm, does it even make sense or use to respond to you with the truth? Since you believe you are right in your own eyes continue on your way

FreeIgboho:
You misunderstand. Adam couldn't have overridden his own brain and it's programming -which he had no hand in creating. Adam wasn't even aware of all the processes his brain went through to arrive at the decision, talkless of being able to influence them. In short there is no Adam that could have overridden his brain because there is no Adam without his brain.

In the case of Peter, that's a result of his life-long conditioning from birth that made him who he was. If he had different brain, genes, circumstances, and experiences (none of which he chose) he'd have been a totally different person all together - and ALL his choices would have stemmed from that, hence no space for freewill.

There's no reservoir of free will, because there's nothing you can use to override the brain except the brain itself, processes of which you don't control

you don't even understand what you read

gohf:
You mean Exod.15.3 The LORD is a warrior; the LORD is his name.
or is it
Isa.42.13 The LORD will march out LIKE a mighty man, LIKE a warrior he will stir up his zeal; with a shout he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his enemies.

Hmmm, does it even make sense or use to respond to you with the truth? Since you believe you are right in your own eyes continue on your way

See below

gohf:
you don't even understand what you read

What part don't you understand? I'll patiently explain

Sand2022:
I don't know why you quoted me. I didn't say there is no freewill if God foresees what one will do before he is created.

I didn't see this before. Many of my mentions don't appear in my mentions.
I tagged you because I thought you are now convinced that free will is an illusion, which is a FACT (from man's perspective).

Did you read what I wrote at all?
Everything boils down to the brain which you neither chose nor programmed and there's nothing you can use to override the brain except the brain itself, processes of which you don't control?
AND
(Freewill is an illusion) because decisions are always based on past things you neither chose nor control

FreeIgboho:
What part don't you understand? I'll patiently explain

you want to explain for me what I wrote that you don't understand? You still don't even understand the post you just read and quoted

gohf:
you want to explain for me what I wrote that you don't understand? You still don't even understand the post you just read and quoted

Read the post above this your post (the post to Sand2022), I think that summarizes it well. Then comment on that

FreeIgboho:
See screenshot of my response to you below and please kindly point out the lies.

As for that your challenge, it is fatally flawed because you're trying to arrive at a spiritual answer through carnal analysis. Why not also try to tell us how God can be localized in heaven and at same time be inside you and be everywhere else. You are way too limited to analyze God.
So Jesus' divinity is something that dawns on you as you keep reading the scriptures with an open heart and prayers. It will gradually dawn on you same way it dawned on the apostles and those 300 bishops at Nicea and countless others: this Jewish carpenter is God!

As for you saying "Jehovah" is the name of God. It is actually not. It is a medieval mistake. See below.
There is only one name given to man by which we must be saved: JESUS

My brother if you cannot understand this simple sentence which I have posted severally for you for many days, if means that you cannot even understand the things you are reading. So you are not fit to teach anything whether medieval or "amendieval."

You are not fit to speak on the challenge analysis because ChatGPT is far far beyond someone who cannot understand a simple a 13 word sentence as seen below even after several days. It is 10,000 times more intelligent than you and very fast in seconds. It doesn't take days to look at a simple request and still not understand what was asked.

Show me at least one scripture that called God omniscient and what it means.


https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/51#136260947

I don't have time to continue going in circles with you people because of lack of understanding. It is possible that everything you believe and know now is falsehood.

You are free to continue believing your 300 bishop of Nicea.

I believe only the word of God.

Boomark:
My brother if you cannot understand this simple sentence which I have posted severally for you for many days, if means that you cannot even understand the things you are reading. So you are not fit to teach anything whether medieval or "amendieval."

You are not fit to speak on the challenge analysis because ChatGPT is far far beyond someone who cannot understand a simple a 13 word sentence as seen below even after several days. It is 10,000 times more intelligent than you and very fast in seconds. It doesn't take days to look at a simple request and still not understand what was asked.

Show me at least one scripture that called God omniscient and what it means.


https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/51#136260947

I don't have time to continue going in circles with you people because of lack of understanding. It is possible that everything you believe and know now is falsehood.

You are free to continue believing your 300 bishop of Nicea.

I believe only the word of God.

My good brother please see the screenshot of the response I gave to your question below. Note the underlined in blue. Analyze all and kindly tell me how it does not answer your question.

Commendable that u want to believe only the word of God; but you have to first know the word of God. That's where those 300 bishops and others like them come in. Unlike you, they dedicate their whole lives to studying the Bible and meditating on the word.

Those closest to Jesus and who spent time with him, called him God. You are only reading (possibly manipulated) words in a book over 2000 years later, and you are arguing with them!

22jumpstreet:
Your people can talk about your gods who is dust.
It does not matter....
The creator and source of everything can't be made of dust. .....so qualms.
My God is the universal, eternal, indivisible source and creator of all things visible and invisible.....he created all the realms and is not part of any one. He is all the realms. I am a spark of the whole....

Fine. The only problem is, you don't know what u talking about because u don't have the foggiest idea what this "reality" is. It could very well be an elaborate hoax - and there are telltale signs it is!

AntiChristian:
You still need to review your definition of God?

God is indefinable by man

ichuka:
From genesis to revelation the main focus is Jesus Christ,there's no other name one can be saved, healed, cured and free from demonic attacks apart from The name JESUS CHRIST.
The names of the Father and Holy Spirit are all under the Canopy of the name jesus Christ.

Janosky, Boomark, you and other JW should pay close attention to this.
(Anybody knows what happened to MaxInDHouse? Did he quit JW, disfellowshiped or what?)

FreeIgboho:
Janosky, Boomark, you and other JW should pay close attention to this.
(Anybody knows what happened to MaxInDHouse? Did he quit JW, disfellowshiped or what?)

Hi bro
Better still they should read the book of philippians2:4-9

ichuka:
Hi bro
Better still they should read the book of philippians2:4-9

Thank u very much!
Boomark, Janosky, et al:

Philippians 2:4-9
New International Version

4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.

5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,

FreeIgboho:
God is indefinable by man

If God can not be defined then He doesn't exist! God did defined himself.

AntiChristian:
If God can not be defined then He doesn't exist! God did defined himself.

Indefinable BY MAN.
There are many things men cannot do.

FreeIgboho:
Thank u very much!
Boomark, Janosky, et al:

Philippians 2:4-9
New International Version

4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.

5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,

All these have been presented to them😂. According to Boomark's words,
Paul did Jesus a favor 😂

Boomark:
They have failed with their equality antichrist doctrine. Tricks by satan to insult the only true God. They think they are doing Jesus a favour by making him equal to his God. He will tell them, "I don't know you, I am looking for only those who are doing the will of my Father in heaven, Matthew 7:21-23.

There's a saying, "A dog that will be displaced won't hear the hunter's whistle"!

Janosky still can't affirm whether or not his God can do something by himself even though this verse is there John5:17.😂

All of them are in one logical dilemma or the other.

AntiChristian:
If God can not be defined then He doesn't exist! God did defined himself.

😂 The same way Allah defined himself.🤔

This day, incomparable, the next day comparable— by depicting himself in forms and shapes😂. You don't have an handle on what God should be. They gave you hubal and called him God. The same titles associated with Hubal such as Rahim are still being used for Allah till today!

FreeIgboho:
Janosky, Boomark, you and other JW should pay close attention to this.
(Anybody knows what happened to MaxInDHouse? Did he quit JW, disfellowshiped or what?)

Well, I feel he is going through a phase or he is being targeted, although I doubt the plausibility of this. Also, Why hasn't Janosky reached out to him? It's become worrisome. All his posts🤔 are suspended🤕. Something is wrong and his JW brothers are not doing anything about it! Such love👀.

Gabrielshow24:
All these have been presented to them😂. According to Boomark's words,
Paul did Jesus a favor 😂


There's a saying, "A dog that will be displaced won't hear the hunter's whistle"!

Janosky still can't affirm whether or not his God can do something by himself even though this verse is there John5:17.😂

All of them are in one logical dilemma or the other.

So, the matter you see soo e don tay e start (in Omawumi's voice)😅

FreeIgboho:
Fine. The only problem is, you don't know what u talking about because u don't have the foggiest idea what this "reality" is. It could very well be an elaborate hoax - and there are telltale signs it is!

Be as it may, Jesus is not a god. He is a man. And a man is a creation of God that is made of dust. God can't be made of dust. God is the creator. He can't be part of creation. Not possible.

22jumpstreet:
Be as it may, Jesus is not a god. He is a man. And a man is a creation of God that is made of dust. God can't be made of dust. God is the creator. He can't be part of creation. Not possible.

Are you Muslim? Or you probably inherited some genes from Arian! 🤨

FreeIgboho:
I didn't see this before. Many of my mentions don't appear in my mentions.
I tagged you because I thought you are now convinced that free will is an illusion, which is a FACT (from man's perspective).

Did you read what I wrote at all?
Everything boils down to the brain which you neither chose nor programmed and there's nothing you can use to override the brain except the brain itself, processes of which you don't control?
AND
(Freewill is an illusion) because decisions are always based on past things you neither chose nor control

I don't know why you feel you are right about how the brain works but like I told you earlier there is no freedom outside of the son of God, Jesus of Nazareth.

So in a sense I agree that "freewill" is an illusion especially when people imagine they can do just about anything either without repercussions or consequences. But when we speak about making choices, we are limited to the amount of choices available and our perception(understanding) of those choices. No one forces you, but like you mentioned past experiences, people's words etc etc and the like help shape what a person eventually decides but it's still their decision just has how you decided to reply me, I may also choose not to reply maybe I am busy and just glanced at my nairaland account or I could also choose to respond.

Everything doesn't really always boil down to the brain, people makes choices based on gut feeling, intuition and even make "unreasonable" decisions

Gabrielshow24:
Are you Muslim? Or you probably inherited some genes from Arian! 🤨

Explain to me how Africa can enter Nigeria

I will wait.

How did they even defeat Arian in that argument?

gohf:
I don't know why you feel you are right about how the brain works but like I told you earlier there is no freedom outside of the son of God, Jesus of Nazareth.

So in a sense I agree that "freewill" is an illusion especially when people imagine they can do just about anything either without repercussions or consequences. But when we speak about making choices, we are limited to the amount of choices available and our perception(understanding) of those choices. No one forces you, but like you mentioned past experiences, people's words etc etc and the like help shape what a person eventually decides but it's still their decision just has how you decided to reply me, I may also choose not to reply maybe I am busy and just glanced at my nairaland account or I could also choose to respond.

Everything doesn't really always boil down to the brain, people makes choices based on gut feeling, intuition and even make "unreasonable" decisions

But gut feeling and intuition and "unreasonable" decisions also originate deep inside the brain!
Infact they're typical examples of you not knowing nor controlling the inner processes of the brain. It does the relevant permutations without your conscious awareness, based on it's vast accumulation of data that you consciously have long since forgotten and present the result to you as intuition

22jumpstreet:
Be as it may, Jesus is not a god. He is a man. And a man is a creation of God that is made of dust. God can't be made of dust. God is the creator. He can't be part of creation. Not possible.

You are trying to define something that is waaay beyond your ability to define.

Unless you are saying the Bible is totally made up, see all the people that have to wrong for him not to be God:
*Yahweh Himself would be totally powerless allowing someone else worshipped interchangeably with him and massively blessing those that worship him.
* Jesus himself who said he was God
* All those prophets of old testament
* The Magi who worshipped him as a new born
* His apostles who closely dealt with him and knew him intimately (you know better than them!)
*All the anointed ones and saints who have worshipped him over these 2000+ years
*All the people in whose lives he is active TODAY!

22jumpstreet:
Explain to me how Africa can enter Nigeria

I will wait.

How did they even defeat Arian in that argument?

Africa isn't omnipotent and omniscient. They reconciled all scriptures, logically, scripturally and philosophically before arriving at trinity.

FreeIgboho:
So, the matter you see soo e don tay e start (in Omawumi's voice)😅

According to him, God is compositional😂.

Boomark:
God is one and he is the Father. One person who has eyes, legs mouth, hands, etc. and has the power to create anything. From his mouth he speaks and whatever he says is his word (word of God because it belongs to God). Jesus (word of God) belongs to God. Things were created through this word which God speaks. His word was later made flesh.

God has been speaking and his word has been with him from the beginning, John 1:1. His word is not him from hair to toe but just what he says.

Just like our power is in our hands. The spirit of God is his power. It belongs to God.

Luke 1:35 HCSB
[35] The angel replied to her: “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the holy One to be born will be called the Son of God.

Acts 1:8 HCSB
[8] But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come on you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

God has the power to also make his eyes to become flesh. So no one should say his eyes is God himself. The same thing goes with his word.

By extension, God's hands too can take up flesh; God's legs can do like wise🤔, God's "heart" can also take up flesh. If God has gbola then his gbola too can take up flesh but all these are not God😂.

God is made up of parts that can all take up flesh😂—Ridiculous!
That's why he can't define God nor trinity because his lapses will be exposed! From all things thus far, he is a Unitarian!

Gabrielshow24:
😂 The same way Allah defined himself.🤔

This day, incomparable, the next day comparable— by depicting himself in forms and shapes😂. You don't have an handle on what God should be. They gave you hubal and called him God. The same titles associated with Hubal such as Rahim are still being used for Allah till today!

When you are ignorant you exude sheer ignorance!

Nothing beats knowledge!

There's none comparable to Allah!

And that does not mean the creations of Allah can't do some of the things Allah does!

Allah speaks! Humans too speak! But Allah's way of speak is not comparable to that of humans!

Go get knowledge!

FreeIgboho:
Indefinable BY MAN.
There are many things men cannot do.

God will be the one to define himself!

AntiChristian:
God will be the one to define himself!

Ok, please is there any way you can EVER define 5-dimensional world to me and I'll be able to visualise and understand it?

Gabrielshow24:
According to him, God is compositional😂.

By extension, God's hands too can take up flesh; God's legs can do like wise🤔, God's "heart" can also take up flesh. If God has gbola then his gbola too can take up flesh but all these are not God😂.

God is made up of parts that can all take up flesh😂—Ridiculous!
That's why he can't define God nor trinity because his lapses will be exposed! From all things thus far, he is a Unitarian!

Na wa for them o. But the Boomark guy was beginning to make a bit of sense. Did you ask him why the Word of God cannot be considered also God?