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The concept of "evil" has perplexed human thought for centuries, with philosophers, theologians, and scholars of various disciplines attempting to understand its origin. The question of where evil comes from—whether it is inherent in human nature, a result of societal influences, or a force external to humanity—has given rise to a broad spectrum of theories. In examining the origin of evil, it is essential to explore the views offered by religion, philosophy, and psychology. Together, these perspectives offer a complex and multifaceted understanding of the forces that contribute to the manifestation of evil in the world.

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In my opinion, 31 more characters not needed at all.

Nice sentiments. You do not necessarily need such physical appeals still they are top-notch. Also, I will recommend you to tag some personalities that will try to dissuade you of your opinion! Proponents of the non-existence of free will.

Gabrielshow24:
Nice sentiments. You do not necessarily need such physical appeals still they are top-notch. Also, I will recommend you to tag some personalities that will try to dissuade you of your opinion! Proponents of the non-existence of free will.

You think my write up are mere sentiments? Sarcasm?

The whole writeup is bs from the start. While I am not in the mood to give a detail reply, all what you project as a result of human actions are nothing but a manifestation of an imperfect system.

People have been extremely careful to avoid cancer yet develop them anyway, besides if you claim God is origin of everything, then he is the source of everything.

Blakjewelry:
The whole writeup is bs from the start. While I am not in the mood to give a detail reply, all what you project as a result of human actions are nothing but a manifestation of an imperfect system.

People have been extremely careful to avoid cancer yet develop them anyway, besides if you claim God is origin of everything, then he is the source of everything.

Imperfect according to you. However, since you don't own this place you cannot say that it is not perfect since you were not there when it was created. And so far we can see what caused it

Blakjewelry:
The whole writeup is bs from the start. While I am not in the mood to give a detail reply, all what you project as a result of human actions are nothing but a manifestation of an imperfect system.

People have been extremely careful to avoid cancer yet develop them anyway, besides if you claim God is origin of everything, then he is the source of everything.

You seem to miss the part of "ALL" he created was good?

Let us leave divinity for once.

If no one fought, if no one stole, if no onec cheated, would there be need for prisons?

There was no prison from the beginning of the world. When men started going against man made societal laws by engaging in criminality, prison appeared.

There was no death at the beginning of the world. A law was transgressed. This transgression brought about sin. Sin brought about the dominion of Evil.

How else do I explain this to you?

SeraphicWind:
You seem to miss the part of "ALL" he created was good?

Let us leave divinity for once.

If no one fought, if no one stole, if no onec cheated, would there be need for prisons?

There was no prison from the beginning of the world. When men started going against man made societal laws by engaging in criminality, prison appeared.

There was no death at the beginning of the world. A law was transgressed. This transgression brought about sin. Sin brought about the dominion of Evil.

How else do I explain this to you?

You are accurate but correction. It is not the society that made The Law. It is Natural Law. And Natural Law means God's Law.

So please give to God what belongs to Him

Dtruthspeaker:
You are accurate but correction. It is not the society that made The Law. It is Natural Law. And Natural Law means God's Law.

So please give to God what belongs to Him

Nature did not make the law on criminality Sir. Man did. It was when human societies started forming that men decided to make certain laws that will guide standard living. These laws have kept on changing overtime.

Again, you seem not to understand that thousands of years ago, humans were no different than animals. Men lived in the jungle and did as they like. Just like every other wild animal out there.

Forget about what society told you about natural laws. Man by his evil fallen NATURE is always coveting what belongs to the other.

Men instinctively; just like every other animal killed each other and took what belonged to the other. Go and read through history. Why do you think Europeans invaded Africa? You think it is because of wickedness? No.

They were trying to survive NATURALLY. They were after resources.

Look at Leopards. You must have noticed how they steal the food of hyenas. Sometimes killing them in the process. Are they bound by natural laws? The natural law of a leopard is to kill a goat and survive. Regardless of what society says.

This may seem a bit complex.

But to make it simple. Natural Laws in my opinion is that day time will come at a specific moment in time. Night time will come at a specific point in time. Same with Rainy Season and Dry season. Man will be born and also die at a specific point in time. These are natural laws.

Natural Laws are barely unchangeable because they are the laws of nature. But they can be manipulated.

Example, man manipulating the clouds to trigger rainfall. Or people taking some medications to extend their life. Or some people using surgeries to alter their natural self to look like another gender. Naturally, a man is a man. While a woman is a woman. These are Laws of Nature.

God's laws on the other hand are DIVINE LAWS. No spirit or mortal can manipulate it. They are eternal and PERMANENTLY UNCHANGEABLE. Unless God so wishes to change them.

These things can be very complex and complicated. But Like I said before, these are my opinions.

SeraphicWind:
You seem to miss the part of "ALL" he created was good?

Let us leave divinity for once.

If no one fought, if no one stole, if no onec cheated, would there be need for prisons?

There was no prison from the beginning of the world. When men started going against man made societal laws by engaging in criminality, prison appeared.

There was no death at the beginning of the world. A law was transgressed. This transgression brought about sin. Sin brought about the dominion of Evil.

How else do I explain this to you?

All he created was good, can you answer this. Can something pure product impure and can evil produce something good or I should ask, can something unholy produce something holy.

Blakjewelry:
All he created was good, can you answer this. Can something pure product impure and can evil produce something good or I should ask, can something unholy produce something holy.

Your question is not straightforward. Be more clear.

Dtruthspeaker:
Imperfect according to you. However, since you don't own this place you cannot say that it is not perfect since you were not there when it was created. And so far we can see what caused it

Who was there when it was created? Is it the writers of genesis who wrote a modified stories told over thousands of years before by older civilizations. Infact early jews write ups are a lot of fragmented with different view of the origin of evil in the world not the over simplified version you read today, so like I said, I am not in the mood for lengthy write but if I see a compelling argument, I sure will respond.

SeraphicWind:
Your question is not straightforward. Be more clear.

It is quite simple. Can something good let's the holy spirit do a bad thing and something bad like the evil spirit do something good?

Blakjewelry:
All he created was good, can you answer this. Can something pure product impure and can evil produce something good or I should ask, can something unholy produce something holy.

The Bible explains it all but if you're not diligent in your research you will mix up everything.
Evil started when one person seeks the backing of others for three reasons:
[1] To challenge the supreme being.
[2] To establish his own rule.
[3] To deceive others in joining him.
Freewill is what God gave all of us {Genesis 2:16} but seeking the support of others to establish our own standard is what forbids! Genesis 2:17
Now imagine a man who hates his fellow human for reasons best known to him surely he will look for means to hurt the other person but then seeking the support of others by instigating them against the one he hates is the root cause of evil because by then he has established a standard that's not yet clear to his gullible supporters it when the table turns that sincere ones will remember that he is now doing exactly what he compelled them to join hands in hurting someone else.
That's how politics began in the garden of Eden!

Blakjewelry:
It is quite simple. Can something good let's the holy spirit do a bad thing and something bad like the evil spirit do something good?

Ask the Holy Spirit sir.

SeraphicWind:
Ask the Holy Spirit sir.

I did and he gave me this revaluations 1 Samuel 16:14-23 and this
1 Kings 22:22

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible explains it all but if you're not diligent in your research you will mix up everything.
Evil started when one person seeks the backing of others for three reasons:
[1] To challenge the supreme being.
[2] To establish his own rule.
[3] To deceive others in joining him.
Freewill is what God gave all of us {Genesis 2:16} but seeking the support of others to establish our own standard is what forbids! Genesis 2:17
Now imagine a man who hates his fellow human for reasons best known to him surely he will look for means to hurt the other person but then seeking the support of others by instigating them against the one he hates is the root cause of evil because by then he has established a standard that's not yet clear to his gullible supporters it when the table turns that sincere ones will remember that he is now doing exactly what he compelled them to join hands in hurting someone else.
That's how politics began in the garden of Eden!

Can you produce Bible verses to back up your claim of 1,2 and 3?

1. Where does freedom of choice come in when a baby is born is a genetic defect that causes them great suffering and then take their lives? Where does freedom of choice come in when natural disasters kill and displace children?

2. If God truly is omniscient and created the world knowing that suffering will befall children, then he knowingly doomed those children to a life suffering.

3. If God is an all-powerful creator, then evil cannot exist as a concept without him explicitly creating it. Hence, we MUST have been created with the capacity to do evil and just FYI, the Bible seems to agree with me.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Blakjewelry:
Who was there when it was created?

The Writer was obviously there

Blakjewelry:
Is it the writers of genesis who wrote a modified stories told over thousands of years before by older civilizations. Infact early jews write ups are a lot of fragmented with different view of the origin of evil in the world not the over simplified version you read today, so like I said, I am not in the mood for lengthy write but if I see a compelling argument, I sure will respond.

It is the other people who are the ones who fabricated their own stories when they real eyesed that The Truth was being written or was going to be written, exactly how bad people always rush to speak first when they learn that the truth is about to be disclosed.

That aside, this is a departure from post.

The point was that you have no right to say this world not perfect since you were not there at the beginning to see how it was when it was made, so rest and stop changing post.

Blakjewelry:
Can you produce Bible verses to back up your claim of 1,2 and 3?

[1 & 2]
Satan is the Shining One among all other angels some Bible translations called him "Lucifer" God inspired Isaiah to pen down what caused the downfall of this powerful angel:
How you have fallen from heaven, O shining one, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the earth, You who vanquished nations!  You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to the heavens. Above the stars of God I will lift up my throne, And I will sit down on the mountain of meeting, In the remotest parts of the north' Isaiah 14:12-13

All the spirit sons of God in heaven are called "morning stars" {Job 38:7} so by saying he will ascend to the heavens above the stars of God he will lift up his throne means he wants to rule all the other angels which is God's domain!

[3]
Satan used a snake like puppet to speak to the first woman and convinced her {1Timothy 2:14} to join him in rebelling against God's authority {Genesis 3:4-5} it was not a literal fruit she ate rather it simply means both herself and her husband were ready to start their own rule over whoever comes after them and they don't want God to set standards rather they want to establish their own. That is how Satan used tricks to become the ruler of mankind from that moment he knew that Adam and Eve will surely die but their descendants who don't know him will be deceived into politics. That's the root cause of all the evil going on around the world today!

Fallacy of many arguments

CoolUsername:
1. Where does freedom of choice come in when a baby is born is a genetic defect that causes them great suffering and then take their lives? Where does freedom of choice come in when natural disasters kill and displace children?

That man who was born with no arms and legs has already proved you are full of shi..

CoolUsername:
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2. If God truly is omniscient and created the world knowing that suffering will befall children, then he knowingly doomed those children to a life suffering.

In His knowing does He not also know that you could have avoided them all if you wanted to as proven by the fact that till today you still have mistakenly drank hypo?

CoolUsername:
3. If God is an all-powerful creator, then evil cannot exist as a concept without him explicitly creating it. Hence, we MUST have been created with the capacity to do evil and just FYI, the Bible seems to agree with me.

You have since created hypo and acid, gas cookers and yet your brothers and children have the sense not to misuse them... thatis Y u kpem like the man who put hypo in the fridge and drank it.

Dtruthspeaker:
Fallacy of many arguments

My points are numbered and you are free to choose which one to respond to.

Dtruthspeaker:
That man who was born with no arms and legs has already proved you are full of shi..

Nonsensical argument that completely misses the point. No need to respond if you don't have anything to say. Why are innocent children born without limbs if evil is caused by our choices? Who chose that?

Dtruthspeaker:
In His knowing does He not also know that you could have avoided them all if you wanted to as proven by the fact that till today you still have mistakenly drank hypo?

I specifically mentioned children in my argument. If evil befalls children, then God must have caused it to befall them.

Dtruthspeaker:
You have since created hypo and acid, gas cookers and yet your brothers and children have the sense not to misuse them... thatis Y u kpem like the man who put hypo in the fridge and drank it.

Negative outcomes are only possible because God made the world so. If God created the world, then he knowingly created all evil.

CoolUsername:
My points are numbered and you are free to choose which one to respond to.

Your post is the point and packing it up with several issues so that opponents would find it difficult and too heavy and scattered to argue against it, is exactly why it is a fallacy and proof that you know that you are wrong. (fallacy of many questions)

CoolUsername:
Nonsensical argument that completely misses the point. No need to respond if you don't have anything to say. Why are innocent children born without limbs if evil is caused by our choices? Who chose that?

You are the one taking rubbish as you are unable to respond which is why you have now committed another fall of Changing the Post from freedom of choice by raising yet another assumptive allegation.

CoolUsername:
I specifically mentioned children in my argument. If evil befalls children, then God must have caused it to befall them.

The evils that fall on children are they not arising from the activities of their adults?

Is it that the children are living on their own and in their own world then evil just came and hit them fiam?

Please, think we'll.

CoolUsername:
Negative outcomes are only possible because God made the world so. If God created the world, then he knowingly created all evil.

You have created a negatives like hypo, battery, acids, gas cookers etc and people have used them beneficially without adverse outcomes.

So clearly adverse outcome comes from bad and wrong use of a thing eg playing with the fire and gas in the gas cooker. And even what you would call good things eg eating, having sex also give a negative outcome when abused.

So, wrong use or bad use of any thing also produces bad and evil outcomes

Dtruthspeaker:
Your post is the point and packing it up with several issues so that opponents would find it difficult and too heavy and scattered to argue against it, is exactly why it is a fallacy and proof that you know that you are wrong. (fallacy of many questions)

There were three points in that post. Is that too much for you to handle?

Dtruthspeaker:
You are the one taking rubbish as you are unable to respond which is why you have now committed another fall of Changing the Post from freedom of choice by raising yet another assumptive allegation.

Weren't you the one who brought up the man was born without arms and legs? Did you forget what you typed or you just trying avoid the question?

Dtruthspeaker:
The evils that fall on children are they not arising from the activities of their adults?

Is it that the children are living on their own and in their own world then evil just came and hit them fiam?

Please, think we'll.

How does this apply to children born with genetic defects or children affected by natural disasters?

Dtruthspeaker:
You have created a negatives like hypo, battery, acids, gas cookers etc and people have used them beneficially without adverse outcomes.

So clearly adverse outcome comes from bad and wrong use of a thing eg playing with the fire and gas in the gas cooker. And even what you would call good things eg eating, having sex also give a negative outcome when abused.

So, wrong use or bad use of any thing also produces bad and evil outcomes

This doesn't refute my point. Bad outcomes are only possible because God specifically made provision for them. In other words, God consciously and knowingly created every evil scenerio that will ever befall everyone in the world because he created the world with the knowledge that we will suffer.

Your example doesn't work because, as humans, we are not fully in control of all the negative outcomes of our actions. Humans are not all-powerful and all-knowing. We are subject to laws of nature. That is why we can try to do good and end up failing.

The question is how can an all-loving and all-powerful god's creation fail to be good?

CoolUsername:
There were three points in that post. Is that too much for you to handle?



Weren't you the one who brought up the man was born without arms and legs? Did you forget what you typed or you just trying avoid the question?



How does this apply to children born with genetic defects or children affected by natural disasters?



This doesn't refute my point. Bad outcomes are only possible because God specifically made provision for them. In other words, God consciously and knowingly created every evil scenerio that will ever befall everyone in the world because he created the world with the knowledge that we will suffer.

Your example doesn't work because, as humans, we are not fully in control of all the negative outcomes of our actions. Humans are not all-powerful and all-knowing. We are subject to laws of nature. That is why we can try to do good and end up failing.

The question is how can an all-loving and all-powerful god's creation fail to be good?

Sir, people like you who are being manipulated by the devil will never agree to divine teachings. You believe that everything you say through your own human philosophies are real.

I respect your opinion. Trust me on this. But certain things are way above your understanding. This world is highly spiritual more than you know.

I would have loved to answer all your questions one by one. But I don't have the time and energy. But I will still help you get an insight with a Biblical story on why so many evils abound in the world.

This is why many of us who are SONS OF GOD keep on telling people like you to read the Bible from A-Z. Let the spirit of God guide you. Try to know God through the Bible.

So many goods and evils happened in the Bible for a reason. Humans were the ones opening those doors of either good or bad.

Don't come and ask me why God killed 185,000 assyrian soldiers when he created them initially. Stop using human philosophies in divinities.

Please NEVER YOU ASK ME why God created LOT knowing fully well that his daughters will sleep with him.

You can still go and carry a gun to rob a bank. When they catch you and put you in prison, come back to ask me why God created you knowing fully well that you will end up in prison.

Now read the story I will post below and the lessons that follows.

cc

Dtruthspeaker

Lot and His Daughters

30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”

33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab[a]; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi[b]; he is the father of the Ammonites[c] of today.

CoolUsername, do you think it is a normal or good thing for a man to sleep with his own daughters?

Are you aware you can sleep with your daughters out of your own FREEWILL? I mean, you can make that choice right? God never made it for you.

If those girls should get pregnant and start bearing Children, are you aware that you have opened an EVIL DOOR not ordained by God?

Those children may turn out to become so many nasty things and have so many genetic disorders I will not like to mention.

You also saw it from the story above that the younger daughter of lot also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi. He is the father of the Ammonites of today.

You know this is INCEST right? Which God forbade!

Sir just so you know, the Ammonites are the original people of a place named Amman!

Amman is the capital of the Jordan of today!

You know what that means for all the people living there right?

It implies that every living creature there came through a door that is not ordained by God.

If the lessons you learnt today did not teach you anything, you can still go ahead and take a wife from that country. This means you have corrupted your bloodline.

There is a reason Igbo people don't marry Osu. Osu people are those who their ancestors dedicated themselves to oracles either for wealth or protection.

Sir, if dem no born you well, use your human philosophy to go and marry an Osu knowingly or unknowingly.

You will see how your bloodline and lineage will scatter. Most of you like learning the hardway!

CoolUsername:
There were three points in that post. Is that too much for you to handle?

See, you used the word "too". Exactly proving my point that you were indeed committing the fallacy by trying to make it difficult.

CoolUsername:
Weren't you the one who brought up the man was born without arms and legs? Did you forget what you typed or you just trying avoid the question?

It is you now pretending like you do not see that I pointed out that you are unable to respond.

CoolUsername:
How does this apply to children born with genetic defects or children affected by natural disasters?

See how you have changed post yet again? You asked "Why are innocent children born without limbs if evil is caused by our choices? Who chose that?"

Now I have answered you,
you have still changed post to genetic defects as if being born without limbs is not also genetic defect.

If indeed you truly have a point answer the questions I asked you which is,

The evils that fall on children are they not arising from the activities of their adults?

Is it that the children are living on their own and in their own world then evil just came and hit them fiam?

CoolUsername:
This doesn't refute my point. Bad outcomes are only possible because God specifically made provision for them. In other words, God consciously and knowingly created every evil scenerio that will ever befall everyone in the world because he created the world with the knowledge that we will suffer.

Your example doesn't work because, as humans, we are not fully in control of all the negative outcomes of our actions. Humans are not all-powerful and all-knowing. We are subject to laws of nature. That is why we can try to do good and end up failing.

What rubbish is this? Are you not fully in control when you are eating or bleeping or playing with gas fire?

Did the gas maker make provision for the gas to explode and burn you up? Or did the hypo maker make provision for it to burn your innards?

Men this is the most bleeped up excuse I have ever heard.

CoolUsername:
The question is how can an all-loving and all-powerful god's creation fail to be good?

Now you have added another question that was never there since you see that all your former questions do not make sense at all. Especially as you call someone good just for giving you a room to stay when you were looking for accommodation like some people experienced in the university and abroad is it now God Who has given you this lovely place to stay rent free? Clearly a very ungrateful person

MaxInDHouse:
[1 & 2]
Satan is the Shining One among all other angels some Bible translations called him "Lucifer" God inspired Isaiah to pen down what caused the downfall of this powerful angel:
How you have fallen from heaven, O shining one, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the earth, You who vanquished nations!  You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to the heavens. Above the stars of God I will lift up my throne, And I will sit down on the mountain of meeting, In the remotest parts of the north' Isaiah 14:12-13

All the spirit sons of God in heaven are called "morning stars" {Job 38:7} so by saying he will ascend to the heavens above the stars of God he will lift up his throne means he wants to rule all the other angels which is God's domain!

[3]
Satan used a snake like puppet to speak to the first woman and convinced her {1Timothy 2:14} to join him in rebelling against God's authority {Genesis 3:4-5} it was not a literal fruit she ate rather it simply means both herself and her husband were ready to start their own rule over whoever comes after them and they don't want God to set standards rather they want to establish their own. That is how Satan used tricks to become the ruler of mankind from that moment he knew that Adam and Eve will surely die but their descendants who don't know him will be deceived into politics. That's the root cause of all the evil going on around the world today!

You see, you are contributing to a topic or rather quoting from a section you know nothing about. I only ask to test your knowledge, yes while you might think you know about the so call fall of lucifer, the tales are not rewritten in the current version of the Bible you read rather they were in other books such as the book of Enoch and the book of Adam and eve.

Infact the few places were it was mentioned like the book of Amos and Jude were only referencing the other book, Experts acknowledge this.

Dtruthspeaker:
The Writer was obviously there



It is the other people who are the ones who fabricated their own stories when they real eyesed that The Truth was being written or was going to be written, exactly how bad people always rush to speak first when they learn that the truth is about to be disclosed.

That aside, this is a departure from post.

The point was that you have no right to say this world not perfect since you were not there at the beginning to see how it was when it was made, so rest and stop changing post.

My concept of perfection differs from the ops, if we are talking about a self sustaining system as a perfect system I will agree but the op idea of a perfect system and how evil came to be is flawed.