₦airaland Forum

Oga, if you feel that the money for the security coverage is too much for you or you think they defrauding you, then look for an alternative and leave that community where there is no security coverage and enjoy your life. It's very easy and cheap to sit back and be criticizing others for what you are not sure of. How do you know they are not accountable for the money they are collecting?

TallNigerian:
Everything you said is apt but the crux of the matter is "does that justify the arrest of those who default or fail to comply?"

Lol they don't arrest in my own area what they do is come to disconnect your light...


So na u loose bkuz of 1k make person stay darkness and also you will need to pay for reconnection fees before you can reconnect....

dominique:
A community with up to 3,000 houses is not a remote area, it's a densely packed area. Honestly I don't believe they're even up to 300 houses in your area. You're not privy to the number of houses with occupants or the exact salary the security men are receiving, what makes you think you're being extorted by being asked to pay 1k?

When you said up to 3000 buildings in a community, how many houses will then be in a town?

syntekelite:
Your statements are so funny you are mistaking expressways and highways for gated communities there is no where in any part of the world where the police secure gated streets(unless private contractors) all they do is patrol centrally or park at strategic points and hope they are in time to save lives, in lagos for instance there is steady patrols by rrs and the police on most major roads that are hotspots thats all they can afford to do the rest is up to you to report to them hence the street associations and just so you know association isnt only about security they do a lot more than you think and work with the police, soldiers and lga's.

You didn't either read the write-up well or I'm at fault. Dude never said gated. He meant his hometown kinda community. He even testified there is a police station in there a divisional headquarters to say the least.


So it's not an estate or so. It's a community perhaps home town as he said the houses are in thousands.

TheBizGenius:
Ohhhh, My God. You are such a brilliant person.

You captured the spirit with just one word: Civism. The problem is all we see with this very weird generation is Activism.

If you had friends gathering together and everyone brought their own food and drinks, who will pay for the cleaners to clean up? That's where civism comes in; a sense of being responsible in a community setting.

I just shake my head for this person.

PS.
No one is even thinking that if he's complaining of N1, 000 per month, he's not a building owner. Which means, he would share the amount with at least 3 other people.

Na N250 matter this guy bring come national platform.

Wait!! That means I am also commenting on a N250 issue early in the morning. Yeeeeeehhhhhhh!! I don waste my time ooo.

Thanks for the compliment.

We have all commented on issues not worth up to N250 at some point in time.

davades:
1k in a month is not bad, you go like trouble oooooo

This is the same mentality that has kept us all where we are today!!
Stop encouraging fraud!!

EkenmaPeter:
I was opportune to spend some few month in my community and i was told some people will be going house to house to collect security fee 1k per building. failing to comply the person house will be locked. he will be arrested and hand over to the police (community divisional headquarter) , mind you the place have a divisional police headquarter in the community, and there is more than 3k to 5k residential building in the area, meaning they will be making close to 3million per month then pay 5 to 6 people 15k per month as salary.

so i am asking is this thing legal, and if i refuse to pay , what crime will i be charge with when taking to the police. also there is a lot of corruption in the people heading the issue.

so my question, is it legal?, this area is a remote place with a business salary that cant be more than 15k to 25k per month.

You still don't understand the nature of your country.
You think that those who will be arrested will have their charges written as "they refused to pay security fees"?
You will be surprised that armed robbery, kidnapping and murder will be added as in their charge sheet.
When you realize how difficult it is to get justice in Nigeria, you would have prayed to God saying baba God l wished l had paid the N1k before now!

tollyboy5:
It's legal lol. We have CDAs and LCDAs. Whatever law that was agreed on in the CDA meeting for the community is legal.
That is why CDA chairman gets gets government backing to large extent. They regulate community, this is not new in Lagos

by CDA you mean Development centres. They and the local governments cannot enact any bill on criminality.

What a state of Nigeria determines as a crime are all codified in the penal codes and criminal codes which local government and CDAs cannot legislate on.

So my dear, in Nigeria not paying security levies is not a crime and if anyone use threat of arrest to collect such money, it becomes a criminal matter.

Drop your sentiments on the front door, we're talking law

It's illegal if you are arrested .

DCmonster:
It is extortion, stop defending illegality.
One of the core responsibility of government is provision of security.
Someone is saying something about the community he lives in, you a nonresident is countering it as a lie.
Dem swear for you?

You are really saying this like every community that has vigilantes doesn’t know . The truth is that Nigeria has gotten worse pass that rhetoric, every community is now securing their own lives and properties themselves.
Op can attend the community monthly meetings and ask questions on the number of households (mind you, not all households are still paying, that's the truth), how many vigilantes and how much they're paying individual plus where the rest of the money is going..
In my community, we contributed 2k per house recently to repair our transformers, the rest of the money is still with me which we're spending each time there is fault with full accountability on our community whatsapp group.
We just started contributing 1k per month (12k per annum) for developmental projects, this money again is with me with periodical reports on our WhatsApp group for all to review and ask questions if necessary. We equally contribute security levy, 1k per household per month. They don't arrest residents in my community or threaten to arrest anyone but your power supply would be cut off until you pay all or part of it. And the police and other security agents like Civil Defence are on board with this arrangement. You can't actually go to them and get their sympathy, they will tell you that they, themselves are paying
All these are different from the main community purse.

3000 to 5000 houses? Thats a big city then,not a community. From my experience where I live now as a tenant and where I have my property, the contributed money is NEVER NEVER enough to pay security salaries. 4 or 5 security men for just 1 or 2 streets having maximum 100 houses. Same for other areas or streets having their own and so on and so forth. Don't know how 6 night security men can be for thousands houses. IMPOSSIBLE.
The money gathered is never enough unless you are talking about highbrow and rich estates.
As for the requirement for security, its as a result of failure of the country's security infrastructure just like every other system has failed; no public school; only private, no power supply and the communities buy electric pole, buy transformers etc, no water, no road, no healthcare benefits etc. All have failed. So security failure is not different. The community have no choice but to come together to secure themselves. So its mandatory to pay. Otherwise criminals will just overrun the community. Security is primary in any community. It is number one; all other things are secondary

EkenmaPeter:
I was opportune to spend some few month in my community and i was told some people will be going house to house to collect security fee 1k per building. failing to comply the person house will be locked. he will be arrested and hand over to the police (community divisional headquarter) , mind you the place have a divisional police headquarter in the community, and there is more than 3k to 5k residential building in the area, meaning they will be making close to 3million per month then pay 5 to 6 people 15k per month as salary.

so i am asking is this thing legal, and if i refuse to pay , what crime will i be charge with when taking to the police. also there is a lot of corruption in the people heading the issue.

so my question, is it legal?, this area is a remote place with a business salary that cant be more than 15k to 25k per month.

how will six people only be guarding 3k to 5k people,and u what is your problem,is it that you don't have the money or you are just doing oversabi by calculating the total money that is to be realized,na u dey give yourself headache.

Sundaymessi:
You still don't understand the nature of your country.
You think that those who will be arrested will have their charges written as "they refused to pay security fees"?
You will be surprised that armed robbery, kidnapping and murder will be added as in their charge sheet.
When you realize how difficult it is to get justice in Nigeria, you would have prayed to God saying baba God l wished l had paid the N1k before now!

It is aiding and aberting crime

millionboi2:
how will six people only be guarding 3k to 5k people,and u what is your problem,is it that you don't have the money or you are just doing oversabi by calculating the total money that is to be realized,na u dey give yourself headache.

That's how they do, promoting disunity in their communities. They think they known it all forgetting the Excos were once member of the community and will still leave the position for others including OP to run the affairs of the community. OP, try attend the meeting and so been a nuisance.

seunlayi:
That's how they do, promoting disunity in their communities. They think they known it all forgetting the Excos were once member of the community and will still leave the position for others including OP to run the affairs of the community. OP, try attend the meeting and so been a nuisance.

Please try to be replying me sir
Pls

dominique:
A community with up to 3,000 houses is not a remote area, it's a densely packed area. Honestly I don't believe they're even up to 300 houses in your area. You're not privy to the number of houses with occupants or the exact salary the security men are receiving, what makes you think you're being extorted by being asked to pay 1k?

Because it's not his job to provide his own security

inoki247:
Lol that Security fee are some people salary and Developmental fees if anything xup don't know about your Community but like fixing of Transformers Cable, packing of drainage, filling of potholes most of this money comes from it so stop doing over calcu or just apply to be there treasurer then...

And if you've any questions partaining the finances go for monthly meeting and put up the question and get the answer..

If we as a citizen can bypass meter even when it was so cheap Den people needs to be held with iron hands...

Someone up there saying is illegality so Bank private Security won't be paid by the banks his working just because is Govt responsibility..

The Government only responsibility is the Police not a private security you can leave your community open and un protected but since you want an extra protection that's on you....

People hire private security in the advanced world to there estate they won't tell us it's Govt responsibility to be safe....

Yours is even cheaper my community pay higher than that....

It's not his job to provide any of those things you mentioned

davades:
1k in a month is not bad, you go like trouble oooooo

Weak people support corruption and illegality

Brendaniel:
Everything to people like you is to first hate against the tribe you love to hate, I live in Lagos and this same thing is happening though not up to the point of arrest but I will address what is going on in the reply I will give the OP.



it is illegal to arrest you, the police and the community leaders are sharing most part of the money, that's why the police is giving them backing to make arrests, Same thing is happening in my area here in Lagos(though not to the point of arresting), we had to get involved in the community management when the election came up, we have started working on using the funds for improved security service since we found the fraud involved in it.

Imagine where they were on paper paying each security man 40k but were paying them in reality 25k and the pattern went on for years, aside from other funds raised too, you will have to be patient and be paying it or take them to court or start planning like we did with other residents to get involved in the management of the community especially if they have elections.

Those vigilantes are working with the police they are the ones who are also training them I was once arrested for refusing to pay here in warri it was when we went to the station I realised they are working together.

In my area, we pay security fee per apartment but i don't know how much the security guys are paid monthly though.

Brahamimo:
Please try to be replying me sir
Pls

I I am with you

EkenmaPeter:
I was opportune to spend some few month in my community and i was told some people will be going house to house to collect security fee 1k per building. failing to comply the person house will be locked. he will be arrested and hand over to the police (community divisional headquarter) , mind you the place have a divisional police headquarter in the community, and there is more than 3k to 5k residential building in the area, meaning they will be making close to 3million per month then pay 5 to 6 people 15k per month as salary.

so i am asking is this thing legal, and if i refuse to pay , what crime will i be charge with when taking to the police. also there is a lot of corruption in the people heading the issue.

so my question, is it legal?, this area is a remote place with a business salary that cant be more than 15k to 25k per month.

1k is not too much to pay for your security and if you don't pay, you have not broken any known law.

But for your safety, just pay - so you won't be framed for something you didn't do and thrown to jail for trying to stand up to them. You should know Nigeria.

Everyone telling this guy what he's doing is legal, and that he should fight the payment, is doing a great injustice to him as a person.

Let me explain.

My aunt pays $45 a month for neighborhood watch at her place in the US. Why? Because they were having young, crazy black dudes doing break-ins when everyone goes to work.

You hear stories of Premier league footballers being robbed when they are off to matches because they also relied, and still rely on police. That's in the UK.

Messi hired a bodyguard for his on-field security, even when the stadium already has. Why? If one crazy dude runs onto the pitch and stabs him, what he would lose is much more than the amount he pays the bodyguard.

Bottom line? If you have something worth protecting, you will pay.

When people back at my old place refused to pay, I kept quiet. Until they started stealing 300k phones from different people. I had to raise it at the landlords meeting that the amount lost would have covered 2 years salary for the security guys. Somehow, everyone started paying immediately. (I can be quite graphic which makes me quite compelling during presentations. Lol)

So, you're lucky you have nothing to lose that's worth N1, 000 to secure. So, so lucky.

syntekelite:
If you street has a gate you will pay, if your street has a cda you will pay, if your street has an association you will pay.. go research these three things i mentioned above and you will understand that they are backed by each states laws. Association wey dey carry governor go court...

Till then

Beautifulday:
Because it's not his job to provide his own security

But it is his responsibility to contribute to whatever will make his security better.

If you are expecting State or federal security agencies then you will wait forever.

Lagos State has Neighbourhood watch (LNSC),how many of them guard the streets at night?

TheBizGenius:
Everyone telling this guy what he's doing is legal, and that he should fight the payment, is doing a great injustice to him as a person.

Let me explain.

My aunt pays $45 a month for neighborhood watch at her place in the US. Why? Because they were having young, crazy black dudes doing break-ins when everyone goes to work.

You hear stories of Premier league footballers being robbed when they are off to matches because they also relied, and still rely on police. That's in the UK.

Messi hired a bodyguard for his on-field security, even when the stadium already has. Why? If one crazy dude runs onto the pitch and stabs him, what he would lose is much more than the amount he pays the bodyguard.

Bottom line? If you have something worth protecting, you will pay.

When people back at my old place refused to pay, I kept quiet. Until they started stealing 300k phones from different people. I had to raise it at the landlords meeting that the amount lost would have covered 2 years salary for the security guys. Somehow, everyone started paying immediately. (I can be quite graphic which makes me quite compelling during presentations. Lol)

So, you're lucky you have nothing to lose that's worth N1, 000 to secure. So, so lucky.

Baba no mind local champions. Na only mouth dem get. Dem never see anything.

It is when they start carrying their generators, and other properties they will know that N1k na chicken change.

BondRiv:
It is illegal. The amount is immaterial. What is the job of the Governor and Local Government Chairman? He cannot be arrested for refusing to pay that illegal fee.

The Governor and local government will come and guard your street on top how much tax that you are paying. Or how many people are even paying the tax.

It has never and will never happen.

Hire local vigilante and have peace or continue blowing grammar till they rob you all blind.

On top 1k...shior

Trymeee:
You didn't either read the write-up well or I'm at fault. Dude never said gated. He meant his hometown kinda community. He even testified there is a police station in there a divisional headquarters to say the least.


So it's not an estate or so. It's a community perhaps home town as he said the houses are in thousands.

Alright my bad..

yomi007k:
Baba no mind local champions. Na only mouth dem get. Dem never see anything.

It is when they start carrying their generators, and other properties they will know that N1k na chicken change.

Kudos. You get it.

Just 1 small generator that you have to spend N50, 000 to replace oo. That N50, 000 would have covered your N1, 000 security fee for 4 years.

It is just basic accounting and common sense.

And where did we all get this weird belief that the elected officials of any government is supposed to secure everyone? Is that something written in the constitution in any country of the world?

Very terribly entitled generation. Rubbish.

yomi007k:
But it is his responsibility to contribute to whatever will make his security better.

If you are expecting State or federal security agencies then you will wait forever.

Lagos State has Neighbourhood watch (LNSC),how many of them guard the streets at night?

It is not his responsibility to contribute to anything.