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Good morning my fellow brethren. The origin of my topic is from a scene in the Bible. Jesus was in the temple when some people brought a woman caught in the act of Adultery to Him and they tested him with a tempting question saying "Master this woman was caught in the act of Adultery and Moses commanded in the Law that such people be stoned to death so what do you say"

Jesus heard them alright but pretended to be interested in mindless doodling on the ground by stooping and scribbling something on the sand. When they keep persisting,
He looked up and made a statement "He that is without sin among you should cast the first stone"
The Bible records that they were wracked by guilt and left the scene till there was no one left but Jesus and the woman. Then Jesus uttered the words ...Go and sin no more.

My question is was the word a prophetic command to be sinless or word backed by Grace and mercy?
I'm still doing my research on this but I'll welcome your input. Thanks.
We're all students on this one so we welcome with open hearts all ideas. God bless you all.

Will come back and drop my thoughts on this.

The words "Go and sin no more" used said by Jesus to the Adulteress is an act of mercy. Our fallen nature makes us guilty and wanna hide in shame as we suddenly feel inadequate and unworthy to stand before our Lord. It was the same mistake Adam was guilty of when he ate the Forbidden fruit and realize that he was naked. See God never intended for us to hide from Him but to run to Him no matter the gravity of our sin.
Romans 8:1&2 says "There's now no CONDEMNATION to those who are in Christ Jesus for the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the Law of Sin and death
When we miss it, instead of hiding in shame and feeling guilty, we should go to the Master who knows our frame and frail nature.

The story ends with Jesus asking the Adulteress where her accusers are to which she replied that they've all left her alone. His words to her were "neither do I condemn thee. Go and sin no more that was the end of her ability to sin and the birth of her redemption.
This is my summation. More are welcome

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The Scripture reference to the above post of Jesus and the Adulteress is from the Gospel of St John 8:1-11.

AngelahFlo:
The words "Go and sin no more" used said by Jesus to the Adulteress is an act of mercy. Our fallen nature makes us guilty and wanna hide in shame as we suddenly feel inadequate and unworthy to stand before our Lord. It was the same mistake Adam was guilty of when he ate the Forbidden fruit and realize that he was naked. See God never intended for us to hide from Him but to run to Him no matter the gravity of our sin.
Romans 8:1&2 says "There's now no CONDEMNATION to those who are in Christ Jesus for the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the Law of Sin and death
When we miss it, instead of hiding in shame and feeling guilty, we should go to the Master who knows our frame and frail nature.

The story ends with Jesus asking the Adulteress where her accusers are to which she replied that they've all left her alone. His words to her were "neither do I condemn thee. Go and sin no more that was the end of her ability to sin and the birth of her redemption.
This is my summation. More are welcome
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@Jashub
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@MaxInDHouse
@QuinQ
@LordReed

Quote where you found this story in the Bible so interested followers of your thread can contribute.
Thanks!

MaxInDHouse:
Quote where you found this story in the Bible so interested followers of your thread can contribute.
Thanks!

Will look for the Bible verse and post it thanks for the correction

AngelahFlo:
Will look for the Bible verse and post it thanks for the correction

The Bible verse is not authentic it's found in John 8:2-12
Later translations omitted this verses as additional or not found in older manuscripts so it's not found in the New World Translation (JW Bible) that is why i can't comment on this.
May you have peace!

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible verse is not authentic it's found in John 8:2-12
Later translations omitted this verses as additional or not found in older manuscripts so it's not found in the New World Translation (JW Bible) that is why i can't comment on this.
May you have peace!

No problem
How about my second scripture reference on Romans 8:1-2
What's your contribution on that?

Aside that I don't think the authenticity of the verse is in questionable because later translations have it like my NIV and Amplified and King James Version. We will never know why it was added and then later added. Thanks any way
Will be waiting for your response on the other scripture reference.

AngelahFlo:
No problem
How about my second scripture reference on Romans 8:1-2
What's your contribution on that?

I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses we don't share the same line of thought with any other religion whether such religion claims Christians or not once they don't want to submit to our Governing Body we separate ourselves from them.
That's why you see your friends trying to argue with me at every slight chance.
Please let your friends claiming Christians comment on this because i don't want a situation where they will be hiding as if they don't see your posts only to start condemning my comments expecting me to argue with them instead of expressing their own beliefs.

Law vs Grace

The Law and Grace phenomenon are two very important aspects of Bible teaching as it reflects how understand the character of God and His ways. First we need to understand why God introduce various laws in the Old testament times.

In Genesis 1 and 2 after God have finished creating the world and all that's in it He certified that all His creation is good and put the Man he had created in the Garden of Eden to maintain it. This Garden was a an Utopia. A place where everything is supposed to be perfect and an environment where God can interact with His creatures without restraint. However the Devil showed up in Chapter 3 to deceive man leading to the fall. From that point on it became a race to redeem man back to the original intent of his creation which was to have unrestricted, unrestrained fellowship with God. The reason why God introduced the Law was to guide man by a set of rules and regulations on righteous living which worked for a while but it was found that the law had limitations. It was either the rules were too cumbersome as such prone to being defaulted by one too many humans or the ritualistic methodology involved made them too difficult to adhere to 100% which led to Jesus Christ having to come in human form to introduce Grace and show man a better way to please the Father. He achieved this by introducing the Law of Love by which in keeping that law it'll be easy to please the Father, walk uprightly and maintain an unrestrained flow of relationship with the Father. Something which the Law couldn't achieve.
Case in point is the subject of this post which is drawn from John 8:2-11

The Pharisees had caught a woman in an act of Adultery and brought before Jesus with a seeming "Gordian Knot" allegation. They knew the penalty for such sin as outlined by Moses in the Law but they wanted to trap him into admitting something he preached against. To buy time, he pretended not to hear them but got busy doodling on the ground until after much insistence from the Pharisees, he gave them a response that was aimed at their conscience which was "He that is without Sin should cast the first stone" which stomped them cos they thought that they've boxed Jesus into a corner.
Jesus ended up forgiving the woman and commanding her to Go and Sin no more.
This was Grace at work.
The Law demands Instant Judgement for a wrong committed or set of rules to free yourself from impending punishment while Grace says "you don't stand condemned" (Romans 8:1)
Grace introduced mercy and an opportunity to approach God not out of fear but out of a consciousness of His Love, mercy and acceptance.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses we don't share the same line of thought with any other religion whether such religion claims Christians or not once they don't want to submit to our Governing Body we separate ourselves from them.
That's why you see your friends trying to argue with me at every slight chance.
Please let your friends claiming Christians comment on this because i don't want a situation where they will be hiding as if they don't see your posts only to start condemning my comments expecting me to argue with them instead of expressing their own beliefs.

Thanks for your honesty

AngelahFlo:
Thanks for your honesty

You are welcome.
I have noticed that most Nairalanders on this Religion/Christian section don't have any contribution that's scriptural once they see my comments they will converge on the thread and change the topic as if i invited them to come and argue but the surprising thing is that the one who initiated the discussion will also join them instead of asking them to drop their own comment without countering other people's comments.
The first time i joined your thread it was QuinQ that mentioned me when you asked a question regarding "NEIGHBOR" he said i won't agree that everyone is my neighbor and i corrected him that surely every living human is my neighbor but only Jehovah's Witnesses are my brothers.
Instead of you to focus on your thread you began attacking me as if you are no longer interested in the opinion of different people.
The second time you raised another topic it was about God creating Satan my comment was the first to join you on the thread your so called "brothers in Christ" didn't know what to say but as soon as they noticed my comments they rushed in and instead of dropping their own comments it's to counter mine and you immediately welcome what they are doing.
Now is another thread please let them contribute to the ongoing discussion after all they claim to be believers so they should have one thing or another to say and back it up with scriptures not to hide as if they don't see your thread only to pulp out of nowhere after seeing my comments and start countering what i say.
I promise not to counter anyone because i have a lot to say regarding any scriptural topics {Luke 6:45} but i hate a situation where people just want to argue without contributing anything tangible. 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9

MaxInDHouse:
You are welcome.
I have noticed that most Nairalanders on this Religion/Christian section don't have any contribution that's scriptural once they see my comments they will converge on the thread and change the topic as if i invited them to come and argue but the surprising thing is that the one who initiated the discussion will also join them instead of asking them to drop their own comment without countering other people's comments.
The first time i joined your thread it was QuinQ that mentioned me when you asked a question regarding "NEIGHBOR" he said i won't agree that everyone is my neighbor and i corrected him that surely every living human is my neighbor but only Jehovah's Witnesses are my brothers.
Instead of you to focus on your thread you began attacking me as if you are no longer interested in the opinion of different people.
The second time you raised another topic it was about God creating Satan my comment was the first to join you on the thread your so called "brothers in Christ" didn't know what to say but as soon as they noticed my comments they rushed in and instead of dropping their own comments it's to counter mine and you immediately welcome what they are doing.
Now is another thread please let them contribute to the ongoing discussion after all they claim to be believers so they should have one thing or another to say and back it up with scriptures not to hide as if they don't see your thread only to pulp out of nowhere after seeing my comments and start countering what i say.
I promise not to counter anyone because i have a lot to say regarding any scriptural topics {Luke 6:45} but i hate a situation where people just want to argue without contributing anything tangible. 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9

I know how hurting it can be. I've been there too. That's why I always do my research and present my argument in a way they won't attack. I do read your books. You guys write well. I don't usually agree on some topics or line of thought but it doesn't stop me reading their articles. Don't take it too personal. Friends disagree to agree ain't it so. At least we later agreed at the end of our argument didn't we. Don't take it personal. Just that you must come ready and be able to argue with other versions of the bible too if possible.

AngelahFlo:
I know how hurting it can be. I've been there too. That's why I always do my research and present my argument in a way they won't attack. I do read your books. You guys write well. I don't usually agree on some topics or line of thought but it doesn't stop me reading their articles. Don't take it too personal. Friends disagree to agree ain't it so. At least we later agreed at the end of our argument didn't we. Don't take it personal. Just that you must come ready and be able to argue with other versions of the bible too if possible.

You don't get my point.
Where are they now?
Do you think they're not seeing this your thread since yesterday?
They don't have anything tangible to say but to troll anyone who has a standard that's what they do.
Ask each person to mention the name of his church they will never instead they will say they are all Christians OK there is a thread about gay marriage please is that not why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah?
But today you will see people claiming Christians who are gays and religious gatherings claiming Christians blessing such union.
So if they are sure of their religion why can't they come out openly to mention the name of their churches instead of hiding behind anonymous?
Well we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and we are never ashamed of God's organization where such nonsense can never get a blessing! 1Corinthans 13:6

MaxInDHouse:
You don't get my point.
Where are they now?
Do you think they're not seeing this your thread since yesterday?
They don't have anything tangible to say but to troll anyone who has a standard that's what they do.
Ask each person to mention the name of his church they will never instead they will say they are all Christians OK there is a thread about gay marriage please is that not why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah?
But today you will see people claiming Christians who are gays and religious gatherings claiming Christians blessing such union.
So if they are sure of their religion why can't they come out openly to mention the name of their churches instead of hiding behind anonymous?
Well we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and we are never ashamed of God's organization where such nonsense can never get a blessing! 1Corinthans 13:6

I Understand and it hurts.
Aiight if at any time you have a topic up for debate lemme know.
I'll always drop by and contribute

Let me drop my comment on Romans 8:1-2 and watch them come after my comments as if that is what they have been waiting for!

Therefore, those in union with Christ Jesus have no condemnation. For the law of the spirit that gives life in union with Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. Romans 8:1-2

The first verse is talking about gentiles who practiced vile things in the past due to the fact that they don't know God's righteousness but now that they have accepted faith in Christ Jesus his blood has redeemed (cleansed) them before our God {Colossians 1:21-22} verse two is talking about disciples of Christ who keeps on learning from his chosen ones {Matthew 28:20} they will know what righteousness truly means and that will set them free from falsehood that's rampant in the world! John 8:31-32

AngelahFlo:
✓ My question is was the word a prophetic command to be sinless or word backed by Grace and mercy?
✓ I'm still doing my research on this but I'll welcome your input. Thanks.
We're all students on this one so we welcome with open hearts all ideas. God bless you all.

Will come back and drop my thoughts on this.

I don't understand this question at all. 🥱🥱

2. You may be a student but don't go around pretending we are all in the same boat as you. 🥱

The standard of the God of Israel -+ YHWH -- to His people, Israel, has always been a life of Sinlessness aka holiness info Him by way of His Law. Therefore when Jesus Christ of Israel commanded that the woman go and sin no more, He meant for her to pursue a holy life-- a life in accordance with YHWH's Law. 🤣🥱🥱

As for his statement regarding the woman's assailants, clearly, his remark that none of them at that time was without sin, was directed at them, particularly since they were moved by the lies fed to them by religious leaders of the time and not by the Law of God.

Kobojunkie:
I don't understand this question at all. 🥱🥱

2. You may be a student but don't go around pretending we are all in the same boat as you. 🥱

The standard of the God of Israel -+ YHWH -- to His people, Israel, has always been a life of Sinlessness aka holiness info Him by way of His Law. Therefore when Jesus Christ of Israel commanded that the woman go and sin no more, He meant for her to pursue a holy life-- a life in accordance with YHWH's Law. 🤣🥱🥱

As for his statement regarding the woman's assailants, clearly, his remark that none of them at that time was without sin, was directed at them, particularly since they were moved by the lies fed to them by religious leaders of the time and not by the Law of God.

Thanks for your contribution. What's your understanding of the Law vs Grace.
What's your understanding on the two words.

AngelahFlo:
Thanks for your contribution. What's your understanding of the Law vs Grace.
What's your understanding on the two words.

That it is a misconstruing of the words and intent of a man named Paul, who was a Jewish Israelite, by the Non-Israelite hoard.

Kobojunkie:
That it is a misconstruing of the words and intent of a man named Paul, who was a Jewish Israelite, by the Non-Israelite hoard.

What is miaconstruing about it. Tell me I'm just curious.

AngelahFlo:
What is miaconstruing about it. Tell me I'm just curious.

Your OP alludes to it.

Kobojunkie:
Your OP alludes to it.

I still don't get why it's misconstruing. The Pharisees were trying to trap Jesus with a situation that the Law required that the perpetrator be stoned but Jesus himself said that he came to fulfill the law and in so doing, he summarized the 10 commandments into two namely "Thou shall love the Lord your God with all thy heart, soul and might.
The second was "Thou shall live your neighbor as yourself"

Jesus proved to them that Grace supercedes the Law for while the Law could only mete Judgement on the offender, Grace offers a chance of redemption on the Platform of Mercy.
There's nothing confusing about the two words

AngelahFlo:
➜I still don't get why it's misconstruing. The Pharisees were trying to trap Jesus with a situation that the Law required that the perpetrator be stoned but Jesus himself said that he came to fulfill the law and in so doing, he summarized the 10 commandments into two namely "Thou shall love the Lord your God with all thy heart, soul and might. The second was "Thou shall live your neighbor as yourself"
➜Jesus proved to them that Grace supercedes the Law for while the Law could only mete Judgement on the offender, Grace offers a chance of redemption on the Platform of Mercy. There's nothing confusing about the two words

1. Wrong! Both of the commandments you quote were always part and parcel of the Old Law of Moses, which Jesus Christ of Israel, an Israelite, was a subject to, much like the others were. He did not summarise the Law, but obeyed the Law in full by obeying even those two greatest commandments — Deuteronomy 6 vs 5 & Leviticus 19 vs 18 —of the Law.

2. Wrong! Jesus Christ did not prove any such thing that you claim since the Grace/mercy of God was also part and parcel of the same Old Law of Moses - Deuteronomy 13 vs 17.

Though this incident wasn't recorded in older manuscripts but let us assume it happened for real how are the Pharisees going to justify the execution when the law says:

Now regarding a man who commits adultery with another man’s wife: The one who commits adultery with the wife of his fellow man should be put to death without fail, the adulterer and the adulteress. Leviticus 20:10

The mob want to stone only the woman!
Can she commit ADULTERY alone?

There are some discrepancies in the case so questioning their righteous stand for covering up the adulterer only to bring the adulteress alone for judgment exposed their hypocrisy.
She must have offended them in another way so this is a chance for them to punish her.
Who knows? Perhaps she used to listen to Jesus' teaching whereas their religious leaders have issued the order to expel anyone putting faith in Jesus from their Synagogues! John 9:22

Kobojunkie:
1. Wrong! Both of the commandments you quote were always part and parcel of the Old Law of Moses, which Jesus Christ of Israel, an Israelite, was a subject to, much like the others were. He did not summarise the Law, but obeyed the Law in full by obeying even those two greatest commandments — Deuteronomy 6 vs 5 & Leviticus 19 vs 18 —of the Law.

2. Wrong! Jesus Christ did not prove any such thing that you claim since the Grace/mercy of God was also part and parcel of the same Old Law of Moses - Deuteronomy 13 vs 17.

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The mercy spoken of in the Bible passage of Deuteronomy 13:17 isn't the kinda mercy that Jesus came to give. That mercy is based on conditions that must be met but the mercy and Grace that Jesus came to give was an unconditional one. That was why He summarized the Laws into just two in Matthew 22:37-39 and 40.
What the Law couldn't achieve in that it was limited
Jesus achieved it for us through his death on the cross.
This is the whole essence of the experience of Jesus and the Adulteress when he said to her "Go and sin no more"

AngelahFlo:
✓ The mercy spoken of in the Bible passage of Deuteronomy 13:17 isn't the kinda mercy that Jesus came to give. That mercy is based on conditions that must be met
✓ but the mercy and Grace that Jesus came to give was an unconditional one. That was why He summarized the Laws into just two in Matthew 22:37-39 and 40.
What the Law couldn't achieve in that it was limited
Jesus achieved it for us through his death on the cross.
This is the whole essence of the experience of Jesus and the Adulteress when he said to her "Go and sin no more"

1. It may not be the same ---- same way that they Old Law is not the same as the new Law which is Jesus Christ of Israel ---, but the fact remains that mercy is mercy.

2. Jesus Christ of Israel laid down condition after condition, beginning with His sermon on the mount, detailing requirements to be met by potential followers all of whom have to be of Israelite descent. He also spoke extensively, throughout his Gospel, on the many other conditions necessary to gaining access to His Heaven after making it into His Kingdom. So, how can a Law which mandates almost 100 commandments & statues be regarded as unconditional?

MaxInDHouse:
Though this incident wasn't recorded in older manuscripts but let us assume it happened for real how are the Pharisees going to justify the execution when the law says:

Now regarding a man who commits adultery with another man’s wife: The one who commits adultery with the wife of his fellow man should be put to death without fail, the adulterer and the adulteress. Leviticus 20:10

The mob want to stone only the woman!
Can she commit ADULTERY alone?

There are some discrepancies in the case so questioning their righteous stand for covering up the adulterer only to bring the adulteress alone for judgment exposed their hypocrisy.
She must have offended them in another way so this is a chance for them to punish her.
Who knows? Perhaps she used to listen to Jesus' teaching whereas their religious leaders have issued the order to expel anyone putting faith in Jesus from their Synagogues! John 9:22

This your analogy is an eye opener!!!
That must be the reason Jesus pretended not to hear but took interest in doodling on the ground while they keep pestering him with their words. Which was why when he asked the question no one could stand the guilt that wracked them to the core of their being. They had to leave the place. Thanks for this!!!

AngelahFlo:
This your analogy is an eye opener!!!
That must be the reason Jesus pretended not to hear but took interest in doodling on the ground while they keep pestering him with their words. Which was why when he asked the question no one could stand the guilt that wracked them to the core of their being. They had to leave the place. Thanks for this!!!

You are welcome!

8 To me, though I am the very least of all the saints (God’s consecrated people), this grace (favor, privilege) was granted and graciously entrusted: to proclaim to the Gentiles the unending (boundless, fathomless, incalculable, and exhaustless) riches of Christ [wealth which no human being could have searched out],
9 Also to enlighten all men and make plain to them what is the plan [regarding the Gentiles and providing for the salvation of all men] of the mystery kept hidden through the ages and concealed until now in [the mind of] God Who created all things by Christ Jesus. (Amplified Bible Classic)

The above verses taken from Ephesians 3:8-9 is proof that Jesus wasn't sent to a select group of people who are of Jewish descent but to all nations including the Gentiles. To all who believe on Him and accepts His Lordship, to them He expresses His Mercy and Grace and to them he condemns not.