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achorladey:
MaxInDHouse, whose voice was heard in the street of Jericho asking Zaccheus to come down?

Jesus was going from house to house and the people who knew he's been performing miracles started following him and his disciples that's what made it difficult for Zacchaeus who ran ahead and climbed a tree Jesus saw him and called out saying “Zac·chaeʹus, hurry and get down, for today I must stay in your house.” Luke 19:5

Please tell us where he was shouting at passersby that's what the scriptures said he will never do! Matthew 12:19

MaxInDHouse:
John never preached in their streets or cities rather he was shouting in the wilderness! Matthew 3:1

yes river Jordan was in the bush

femi4:
So he was quietly talking to a crowd

Surely like a stadium where people gather when someone they love speaks not to passersby!

Jehovah's Witnesses and asking questions they cannot answer knowing responding to it will filled with assumptions, speculations that are lies.

After showing the OP that preaching was done even in market place. That Slanderer peddling brains asked the following questions below....

How did the apostles preach in market places?
Is it by shouting at passersby or speaking to individuals who want to listen to them?

MaxInDHouse use scriptures to answer how the apostles were doing it

femi4:
yes river Jordan was in the bush

Of course rivers weren't in the streets!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was going from house to house and the people who knew he's been performing miracles started following him and his disciples that's what made it difficult for Zacchaeus who ran ahead and climbed a tree Jesus saw him and called out saying “Zac·chaeʹus, hurry and get down, for today I must stay in your house.” Luke 19:5

Please tell us where he was shouting at passersby that's what the scriptures said he will never do! Matthew 12:19

I didn't task you or ask you to renarrate the account for me.

His voice won't be heard IN the street, I am not talking about SHOUTING for now. Was his voice heard in the street. Don't run oooooo. That your agenda will be exposed now how you love abusing scriptures by adding what is not recorded there.

achorladey:
assumptions, speculations that are lies.
MaxInDHouse use scriptures to answer how the apostles were doing it

At least each preacher was talking to a listener who heard him speaking his own language o! Act 2:6

MaxInDHouse:
At least each preacher was talking to a listener who heard him speaking his own language o! Act 2:6

You want to throw the towel abi with your......

At least each preacher was talking to a listener

Do I need to explain what at least means?

achorladey:
His voice won't be heard IN the street, I am not talking about SHOUTING for now. Was his voice heard in the street. Don't run oooooooo

You can't twist God's word his voice will not be heard in the streets is not isolated here is the verse and prophecy it was quoted from:

He will not quarrel nor cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the main streets. Matthew 12:19

He will not cry out or raise his voice, And he will not make his voice heard in the street. Isaiah 42:2

So the message was clear that unlike the prophets of old who do shout in their streets this one will be different!

achorladey:
You want to throw the towel abi with your......
Do I need to explain what at least means

I have told you that i will always be ahead of you in handling the scriptures so come on prove me wrong!

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you that i will always be ahead of you in handling the scriptures so come on prove me wrong!

I should prove what I already showed you as lies and manipulations of the scriptures issuing from your brains

You are gradually running away from the three scriptures you referenced and I exposed already as abuse of scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
You can't twist God's word his voice will not be heard in the streets is not isolated here is the verse and prophecy it was quoted from:

He will not quarrel nor cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the main streets. Matthew 12:19

He will not cry out or raise his voice, And he will not make his voice heard in the street. Isaiah 42:2

So the message was clear that unlike the prophets of old who do shout in their streets this one will be different!

Now it is

will not be heard in the streets is not isolated

You go jump from pillar to post tire tonight.

In the encounter between Jesus and Zaccheus was Jesus voice heard in the street. Isolated or not.

achorladey:
I should prove what I already showed you as lies and manipulations of the scriptures issuing from your brains
You are gradually running away from the three scriptures you referenced and I exposed already as abuse of scriptures.

Hundreds of people already realized that it doesn't make sense so my post on this thread is to explain how prophets in ancient Israel do preach and why things changed in the days of John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth!

Here is it again:

MaxInDHouse:
They are misinformed churchgoers!

Preaching in Bible times was two types?

First was the preaching God's prophets did before our common era (b.c.e) back then the nation of Israel had two Kings the first is their God who brought them out of Egypt and conquered all inhabitants of Canaan for His worshipers to inherit the place this King is a Spirit who lives forever the other kings were humans that Israelites later demanded for themselves! 1Samuel 8:6-7
Their real King (God) has the right to send town criers (prophets) to deliver urgent messages or warnings to them so this prophets (town criers) can stand in any of their streets or cities to deliver the message of their God (King) at any time.
But in our common era (c.e) things have changed a lot the Israelites had turned against their God (King) countless times {Matthew 21:43} so this King or God no longer send town criers (prophets) to enter into their streets shouting.
WHY? Because by the time Jesus walked the earth another nation out of several nations that's been ruling over Israelites is in charge of their public affairs so it is inappropriate for any town crier (prophet) to enter the streets shouting in the name of any God as their rulers may take such as disturbing the peace in their domain that's the reason why God did not send John the baptist into their towns or streets when it's time for this prophet to declare the coming of Christ rather this prophet was shouting in the wilderness! Matthew 3:1
So it was in the wilderness that faithful Jews were going to meet this prophet to know the message their God had for them! Matthew 3:5-6

After Jesus (a carpenter) got baptized by John it was revealed to John that this is the Christ that John came to prepare the way for {John 1:33} so Jesus took over the job from John the baptist and from that moment John began receiving less attention while Jesus started getting more {John 3:25-30} that was how Jesus began preaching and teaching and all the people were going to him.

QUESTION!
Was Jesus shouting in the streets?
ANSWER!
NO!
He first gathered his trusted childhood friends and started going from house to house preaching and the theme of his preaching is the same as that of John the baptist {Matthew 3:2; 4:17} but instead of shouting in the wilderness he approaches doors and greets householders before delivering his speech this reminded his disciples of what has been foretold about the Christ:

Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.  He will not cry out or raise his voice, And he will not make his voice heard in the street. No crushed reed will he break, And no smoldering wick will he extinguish. In faithfulness he will bring justice. He will not grow dim or be crushed until he establishes justice in the earth; And the islands keep waiting for his law. Isaiah 42:1-4 compare to Matthew 12:19
So Jesus commissioned the preaching and teaching of God's Kingdom message from house to house and door to door so that his real disciples don't disturb passersby with noise. They are to go and knock people's doors, greet householders and ask for permission to speak before delivering their messages! Matthew 10:11-13
Do you know a religion whose preaching and teaching activities is the same as this today?
God bless you and may you have Peace!

achorladey:
Now it is
You go jump from pillar to post tire tonight.
In the encounter between Jesus and Zaccheus was Jesus voice heard in the street. Isolated or not.

Done and dusted!

MaxInDHouse:
Hundreds of people already realized that it doesn't make sense so my post on this thread is to explain how prophets in ancient Israel do preach and why things changed in the days of John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth!

Here is it again:

You must run, thousands before this OP are preaching publicly and thousand are responding to their message. Dumb response coming from a person ready to run away after lies and manipulations exposed once again.

Jesus voice won't be heard in the street no work again. He asked questions that he cannot answer but will readily use it to deceive people that preaching publicly and in marketsquare is not it

MaxInDHouse:
Done and dusted!

Lies and manipulations peddling done and dusted as exposed by me

@ MaxInDHouse you can go to bed with this screenshot

His voice not heard in the street as how? Only a liar and manipulator of the scriptures like you will be abusing the scriptures in the face of strong evidence from even your religious publications just to save face

Preaching Publicly and From House to House

WHEN Jesus Christ sent out his disciples, he instructed them: “As you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’” (Matt. 10:7) And in his prophetic command to true Christians who would be living during the conclusion of the system of things, he said: “This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness.” (Matt. 24:14) What did that mean?

It did not mean that they were to build churches, ring a bell, and wait for a congregation to assemble to hear them give a sermon once a week. The Greek verb here rendered “preach” (ke·rysʹso) means, basically, “make proclamation as a herald.” The idea is not delivering sermons to a closed group of disciples but, rather, making open, public declaration.

Jesus himself set the example as to how it was to be done. He went to places where he could find people. In the first century, people regularly gathered in the synagogues to hear the Scriptures read. Jesus seized opportunities to preach to them there, not merely in one city but in cities and villages throughout Galilee and Judea. (Matt. 4:23; Luke 4:43, 44; John 18:20) Even more often, the Gospel records show, he preached by the seashore, on the mountainside, along the road, in villages, and in the homes of those who welcomed him. Wherever he found people, he talked about God’s purpose for humankind. (Luke 5:3; 6:17-49; 7:36-50; 9:11, 57-62; 10:38-42; John 4:4-26, 39-42

Preaching aloud in the streets to people who are going to work or businesses is not what Jesus commissioned disciples are to approach a person, greet, introduce ourselves and ask for permission to speak before delivering our message. Matthew 10:11-13

MaxInDHouse:
They followed his footsteps CLOSELY never shouting in the streets in fact it was even a crime in Jerusalem back then for anyone to shout in their streets speaking about Jesus who was executed as a criminal and their rulers has expelled whoever claims he believes in Jesus from their Synagogues!

Luke 13 (KJV)
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²⁴ Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

…
²⁶ Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

MaxInDHouse:
Preaching aloud in the streets to people who are going to work or businesses is not what Jesus commissioned disciples are to approach a person, greet, introduce ourselves and ask for permission to speak before delivering our message. Matthew 10:11-13

Still peddling narratives of lies and manipulations about Jesus.

Kayberg:
Luke 13 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
²⁴ Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

…
²⁶ Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

You don catch that liar the more with these Bible verses

When the householder gets up and locks the door, you will stand outside knocking at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us.’o But in answer he will say to you: ‘I do not know where you are from.’p 26  Then you will start saying, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our main streets.’q


MaxInDHouse Jesus voice was not heard in the streets as how?

achorladey:
You don catch that liar the more with these Bible verses

When the householder gets up and locks the door, you will stand outside knocking at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us.’o But in answer he will say to you: ‘I do not know where you are from.’p 26  Then you will start saying, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our main streets.’q


MaxInDHouse Jesus voice was not heard in the streets as how?

At least, he always show he's contradictory to the Bible anytime I engage him and split open his heresies.

Kayberg:
At least, he always show he's contradictory to the Bible anytime I engage him and split open his heresies.

Gbam

Kayberg:
Luke 13 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
²⁴ Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
…
²⁶ Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

Do you know the difference between teaching in school and shouting in school?

As Jehovah's Witnesses we do teach people in their shops and in front of their houses surely observers have noticed this several times in their streets but how many have heard us shouting in their streets?
That's the import of Matthew 12:19 and Isaiah 42:2

Kayberg:
At least, he always show he's contradictory to the Bible anytime I engage him and split open his heresies.

You may hate me for being one of JWs but Please! Please!! Please!!! Don't hate the truth because it will be the basis of judgement on that day!

How have i contradicted the Bible?

Here is my post that you first quoted:

MaxInDHouse:
They are misinformed churchgoers!

Preaching in Bible times was two types?

First was the preaching God's prophets did before our common era (b.c.e) back then the nation of Israel had two Kings the first is their God who brought them out of Egypt and conquered all inhabitants of Canaan for His worshipers to inherit the place this King is a Spirit who lives forever the other kings were humans that Israelites later demanded for themselves! 1Samuel 8:6-7
Their real King (God) has the right to send town criers (prophets) to deliver urgent messages or warnings to them so this prophets (town criers) can stand in any of their streets or cities to deliver the message of their God (King) at any time.
But in our common era (c.e) things have changed a lot the Israelites had turned against their God (King) countless times {Matthew 21:43} so this King or God no longer send town criers (prophets) to enter into their streets shouting.
WHY? Because by the time Jesus walked the earth another nation out of several nations that's been ruling over Israelites is in charge of their public affairs so it is inappropriate for any town crier (prophet) to enter the streets shouting in the name of any God as their rulers may take such as disturbing the peace in their domain that's the reason why God did not send John the baptist into their towns or streets when it's time for this prophet to declare the coming of Christ rather this prophet was shouting in the wilderness! Matthew 3:1
So it was in the wilderness that faithful Jews were going to meet this prophet to know the message their God had for them! Matthew 3:5-6

After Jesus (a carpenter) got baptized by John it was revealed to John that this is the Christ that John came to prepare the way for {John 1:33} so Jesus took over the job from John the baptist and from that moment John began receiving less attention while Jesus started getting more {John 3:25-30} that was how Jesus began preaching and teaching and all the people were going to him.

QUESTION!
Was Jesus shouting in the streets?
ANSWER!
NO!
He first gathered his trusted childhood friends and started going from house to house preaching and the theme of his preaching is the same as that of John the baptist {Matthew 3:2; 4:17} but instead of shouting in the wilderness he approaches doors and greets householders before delivering his speech this reminded his disciples of what has been foretold about the Christ:

Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.  He will not cry out or raise his voice, And he will not make his voice heard in the street. No crushed reed will he break, And no smoldering wick will he extinguish. In faithfulness he will bring justice. He will not grow dim or be crushed until he establishes justice in the earth; And the islands keep waiting for his law. Isaiah 42:1-4 compare to Matthew 12:19
So Jesus commissioned the preaching and teaching of God's Kingdom message from house to house and door to door so that his real disciples don't disturb passersby with noise. They are to go and knock people's doors, greet householders and ask for permission to speak before delivering their messages! Matthew 10:11-13
Do you know a religion whose preaching and teaching activities is the same as this today?
God bless you and may you have Peace!

Please use the scriptures to substantiate and explain what is contradictory in the above make sure you explain what the scriptures meant at Isaiah 42:2 and Matthew 12:19 for everyone to learn.

Thanks in advance!

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know the difference between teaching in school and shouting in school?

As Jehovah's Witnesses we do teach people in their shops and in front of their houses surely observers have noticed this several times in their streets but how many have heard us shouting in their streets?
That's the import of Matthew 12:19 and Isaiah 42:2

Admit your lies and manipulations propagation and look away. The more you keep shifting the goal post and jumping from pillar to post expose your abuse of scriptures to advance your irrelevant narrative.

Do you know the difference between teaching in school and shouting in school?

His voice will not be heard in the street has entered shouting and teaching in school.

MaxInDHouse:
You may hate me for being one of JWs but Please! Please!! Please!!! Don't hate the truth because it will be the basis of judgement on that day!

How have i contradicted the Bible?

Here is my post that you first quoted:




Please use the scriptures to substantiate and explain what is contradictory in the above make sure you explain what the scriptures meant at Isaiah 42:2 and Matthew 12:19 for everyone to learn.

Thanks in advance!

Emphasis here.....

You may hate me for being one of JWs but Please! Please!! Please!!! Don't hate the truth because it will be the basis of judgement on that day!

When the discussion is lost play the hatred game card to save face as victims.

How have i contradicted the Bible?

That's your area of specialisation added to lies,manipulations and abuse of the scripture with assumptions and speculations that advance more propaganda.

femi4:
You should ask yourself if Jesus put image into consideration when he gave that order. Jesus n his Apostles preached in diverse environment

They only preached when they were able to gather audience's attention. They never shouted along the market places, roadsides. He always had his listeners following and listening to him, and that's why you here ' Jesus said to the crowd, Peter, Paul et al said to the congregation/people '. Besides they never asked for offering in the market/roadsides.

MaxInDHouse:
Slenderer!
I will always be ahead of you because i'm using the full strength of the scriptures to back whatever i say while you are just seeking a counter argument.
So sit back and watch how sincere and honest hearted individuals grasp the truth! John 8:32

There's always a time and a place for everything. You raise the sound of a bed to announce your goods in the market is fine because that's the right place to do it. My point is that they should go to their churches or visit homes not market where there already enough noise and no one listens. Can you go to hospital and raise it before know you will be disturbing patience. You should also tell me why they collect offerings.

achorladey:
Now it is, is it by shouting indiscriminately. What is your business with shouting indiscriminately. You call what others are doing shouting indiscriminately.

When a town crier enters your community, they come into your sitting room to deliver the message of the baale or king. I don't understand.

Do the apostles preach publicly? Yes they did. Do they preach in marketplaces? Yes they did. How they do it shouting, whispering, crying or dancing is none of your business from here. Your thread title was about it having an impact? Yes, many who listened him publicly later invited him to their homes for more and by so doing some were converted.



You have lost your way in your own thread



Does not remove the fact that they preach publicly and in marketplace.



Does not mean they didn't preach publicly and it was effective.



I hold a bell and raised my voice using a microphone and speaker to tell you about a mobile device that will be of benefit to you in the middle of the marketplace or public spaces. To you Peacecore it is shouting indiscriminately, to others I am making announcement, advertising or as it were proclamation about something. In no time you see people approaching me to know about what you call indiscriminate shouting or noisemaking.

Peacecore is not a toddler, are you?

Go and also carry your loud speaker around the hospital beds and hear people reaction if you believe you can shout everywhere.

arantess:
It can be done on the street too.

In revelation, there are two witnesses preaching the gospel and they did it on the street.

I believe but only when people are listening. Jesus never spoke to passerbys. He always had his listeners ears.