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uzohrome:
The breast is extremely clean. Best I have seen so far. She over reacted but those security officers will rot in jail that's for sure. Why blocking her from coming down? Ibom Air should tender unreserved apology immediately. What nonsense

bdon123:
So for assaulting a cabin crew member,they naked her instead of jst asking her to coke down n directing her to security. Remember all d passengers hav disembarked so there was no way she wont come down at her destination. As far as m concerned, airport thugs were called to drag her down embarrassingly

Ntigha:
Post by passenger has contradicted what the public was made to believe in the incident involving Ibom Air cabin crew and a passenger a passenger posted online what actually happened

According to a post by a passenger Tunde Ibrahim the Cabin crew got physical with the lady first by pushing her to her seat when she tried to get down after the aircraft landed.

“ I was on boardIt was the crew member that resisted the lady from coming down because of put off phone ar no put off phone.

The lady told the crew that her phone was already on flight mode
After landing they refused to allov the lady from coming down saying they have called the airport securi to pick her up.
Infact they push the lady back on seat for many of us to pass”

UpaIweka:
What is the aource of this lie or we are to just believe your nonsense because you cut a post like lpob normally do n added a Yoruba name ?

Pythagoras001:
Both sides were wrong. airline security were completely unprofessional (by posting the woman nudes online and the way she was restrained). they need proper training on ways to properly restrain an unruly passenger. they should have been there before any person disembark from the plane and should have gone straight to her seat and have her cuffed behind her back.

The final power lies in the flight crew. if she was asked to switch off her phones she must obey that order disobeying that lawful order is an offence. it is irrelavant if the phone is put on flight mode or not. if the order was your phone should be switched off or put on flight mode. then you could do any.

tanigororo:
Their was reported case of she slapping the air hostess first, I no dey their.

Beremx:
At least she should have worn a bra. How can she wear such skimpy top without a bra? How can one embark on a journey like that without dressing properly?

I was really ashamed on her behalf watching the video

aswani:
She isn't innocent, she was told to switch her phone off, not asked to put it in aircraft mode. She then had to be repeatedly told to do so and still refused.

The airline was at fault stopping her getting off and dragging her out as it is the police that should do that. However to call the little rat innocent is going to far. Hopefully, next time she travels by road or sea, she doesn't have to switch her precious phone off then?

descartes400:
Na for you ooh! in as much as KWAM 1 action is condemnable and deserves retribution by law, does not in any stretch of imagination constitute an hijack!

Hijacking, as defined in aviation law, requires the unlawful seizure or exercise of control over an aircraft while it is in flight.

KWAM 1 was involved in an incident at the airport where he allegedly obstructed the aircraft's movement and had a heated exchange with airport officials.

KWAM 1's Actions:
KWAM 1 was involved in an incident at the airport where he allegedly obstructed the aircraft's movement and had a heated exchange with airport officials.

Not Onboard:
Crucially, KWAM 1 was not onboard the aircraft when the incident occurred.

Aviation Violations:
The Nigerian Civil Aviation Authority (NCAA) is investigating the incident as a potential violation of aviation regulations, not as hijacking.

Terrorism Allegations:
Some have labeled KWAM 1's actions as terrorism, but this is an overstatement, especially given that he was not on board the aircraft and did not take control of it.
In essence, while KWAM 1's actions were disruptive and potentially dangerous, they do not meet the legal definition of hijacking.

Pythagoras001:
yes they do operate under aviation law and it is not the same everywhere in the world although there are similarities. have you read the ncaa act 2022 section 85 and ncar section 17.97. ? i can send you relevant sections screenshot if needed.

does not matter what cause he was fighting for he was uunruly and disrupted airline operations which is an offence. there are legal ways one can channel their grieviances which he could have explored

i perfectly understand that putting your phone on flight mode is as good as putting your phone off. but the flight crew lawfull instructions to you are final.

i have seen someone who was forcefully removed from their seat and arrested for refusing to change seat when he was told to do so by the flight crew. he was seating on the row close to the emmergency exit and did not understand english.
read the prior post https://www.nairaland.com/8496044/ibom-air-fracas-other-passengers#136425850

Pythagoras001:
you seem to be missing the point. The flight crew are the final authority on the aircraft. If 99 local airline do not require you to switch of your device is completely irrelevant here. The question is did she disobey orders from the flight crew to switch her phone off during take off or landing. If yes she committed an offence if no she did not. Did she assault/batter flight crew/airport security if yes she has committed an offence if no she has not. Ignorance of the law is no excuse that was why I pointed you in my previous post to read prior legislation and regulation. That the laws was not enforced on Mr A is not a defence when it is enforced on Mr B the only issue is that it is immoral and create the impression that some are above the law. I repeat again read the act and regulation I quoted earlier. Yes I know not switching off your phone does not affect air craft safety but You most obey all safety instructions from the flight crew refusal to do so is an offence.

edit:
ncar


(27) “Disruptive passenger” A passenger who fails to respect the rules
of conduct at an airport or on board an aircraft or to follow the instructions
of the airport staff or crew members and thereby disturbs the good order
and discipline at an airport or on board the aircraft ;


17.97. UNRULY PASSENGER.
17.97.1 Any passenger who becomes unruly at the airport terminal or
on board an Aircraft commits an offence.
17.97.2. The word “unruly” as used in this section refers to but is not
limited to, the following acts :
(a) Smoking on board an aircraft or in a non-smoking area of the terminal
building ;Access to Aerodrome Restricted Areas. Restriction on Entry into Enhanced Security Restricted areas and sterile area.
Submission to Screening.
B 2490
(b) Use of mobile phones and/or other communication/electronics
gadgets on board an aircraft without the approval of the aircraft
commander ;
(c) Fighting or other disorderly conduct on board an aircraft or at the
terminal building ;
(d) Any conduct/act constituting a nuisance to other passengers ;
(e) Disobedience of lawful instructions issued by the aircraft commander,
flight crew, cabin attendants, check-instaff and/or security screening staff ;
(f ) Any conduct that endangers or is likely to endanger the safety of
flight operations ;
(g) Tampering with smoke detectors and other aircraft equipment.
17.97.3. Where any passenger becomes unruly on board an aircraft or at
the terminal building, the aircraft commander or airport authority shall take
necessary measures including restraint where necessary :
(a) to protect the safety of the aircraft, terminal building or of persons
or property therein, or
(b) to maintain good order and discipline on board or at the terminal
building ; and
(c) to enable him deliver such person to competent authorities.



ncaa act 2022

85.—(1) Whoever while onboard an aircraft, interferes with a crew
member and such interference impedes the performance of the crew member’s
duties, commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a fine not more than
N200,000 or imprisonment for a term of at least two months or both.
(2) Any person who, assaults, intimidates, or threatens any flight crew
member or flight attendant, including any steward or stewardess of such aircraft
Interference
with crew
members.
Civil Aviation Act, 2022 2022 No. 30 A 957
or engages in an unruly behavior onboard such aircraft, commits an offence
and is liable on conviction to a fine of at least N200,000 or imprisonment for a
term of at least two months or both.
(3) Any person who, against instruction of the pilot-in-command or a
flight crew member or cabin crew, uses or operates any equipment or device
including mobile phone that may interfere with the aircraft radio frequency or
other navigational equipment onboard aircraft commits an offence and is liable
on conviction to a fine not more than N200,000 or imprisonment for a term of
at least two months or both.
(4) The pilot-in-command of an aircraft shall take such reasonable
measures as may be necessary to ensure the safety of the aircraft and
security of passengers on board whenever he is faced with an unruly
passenger behavior and may request the assistance of any person on board
the aircraft in that regard.

Pythagoras001:
at this point i think you are deliberating deflecting. how is the bolded relevant to the offence which she herself has committed.

between the flight crew have every right to detain her and in my earlier post i talked about the proper way to restrain the passenger. and i repeat for emphasis the flight crew should have contacted air control before they landed security should have been waiting for the plane before it taxiied to a stop nobody would be allowed to disembark from the plane untill airport security has entered into the plane identified the lady and have are are cuffed so as to prevent the messy situation. Their delay and allowing people to disembark is probably was caused the entire fiasco

the point i initially made was that she commited several offences and she could be charged .
if she has video evidence or wittnesses that the flight attendant assualted/battered her she has the option to press charge against her for assault/battery .
she also can sue or bring criminal charges against the people who published/reshared or are in poession of her nude photos online . i made this point clear in an earlier post

for anyone who flies regularly please obey every safety instructions of the flight crew/ airport staff locally or internationally disobedience and been unruly is an offence.

if you feel agrrieved for any reason use all available legal channels at your disposal instead of taking laws into your own hands . everything no be by gra gra and this do you know who am i syndrome.

i rest my case

Konquest:
@aswani

LARGELY well said. The last paragraph cracked me up.

BUT then, the pilot had earlier contacted the airport security men to deboard her which is the standard way to deal with unruly passengers on board most commercial aircraft. The security men didn't come in the nick of time hence it gave that girl the time to get more unruly and she gave the air hostess a hot slap in the face. She also held on to the curtain and got violent and resisted arrest by the airport security men when they finally arrived. This led to her forcible removal due to her resistance and her b@@bs spilled right out of her torn top due to her violent resistance to being deborded.

aswani:
Good morning sir, you were one of the people whose take on the matter I was looking out for and I am somewhat reassured that our thoughts on the incident are not too dissimilar.

On a more concerning note is the preponderance of mainly younger females on here brazenly posting about how the airline had to right to tell her to switch off her phone and trying to say she had put it in flight mode as mitigation. I know it is the phone that is the focus as they can't do without it for even a minute.

Some even suggested because they are not told to switch off their phones on more modern aircrafts run by international airlines, they shouldn't have to on any other flights.

We seem to have a wider moral issue in this country I now feel. In more saner earlier times, if your parents knew your teacher had disciplined you, part two was waiting for you at home.

I fear the pendulum has swung and too far too, instructions are now things to be forcefully challenged including ones to do with the safety of yours and others. How exactly did we get to this point I ask?

To paraphrase the baird himself, "Shame, where art thou?"

That video clip were her oversized mamaries (whose attention from men I suspect is part of the reason for her lack of regard for authority) were exposed for the world to see apparently didn't show where she also assaulted ground staff in continuation of her bad behaviour.

I am hopeful that the one good thing people will learn from this sordid encounter is that they need to follow simple instructions, especially concerning their precious phones. I won't be betting any money on that though.

Konquest:

@aswani

[b]Greetings again.

Your post is a class-act.

You stated what is CLEARLY wrong with the emerging society of young people.

There are rules that I simply like to follow for the sake of societal orderliness. Flight instructions, medical instructions, and Police instructions (No matter what, obey the law) because safety is critical in life.

Indeed, I have watched 4 different FULL videos (showing the girl's violent behavior on the Air Ibom and after being denorded) from IG and YouTube which I posted on one of the threads just yesterday in order to get a proper hang of what happened on that flight with that unruly female passenger because as usual I knew that FALSE rumors and disinformation would start flying around from some hungry bloggers and paid ipob troll farms.

Comfort Emmanson to me was definitely involved in "substance use" due to her violent actions of slapping the air hostess, using the extinguisher to destroy some things on board, and violently resisting arrest with led to her top being torn and her cleavages popping out while she was throwing wild tantrums. All these were captured right in the videos.

NEXT time though, I hope the security men will be using tasers and handcuffs to simply immobilize any unruly passenger in any flight. The Kwam 1 ValuJet scenerio and that female passenger's Air Ibom unruliness are a blessing in disguise for Nigeria to quickly upgrade the gadgets that airport security men use as part of standard international aviation protocols.


I appreciate your insights here.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

aswani:
I never really thought about the substance abuse part of things but it does seem plausible, very much so in fact.

I wish you a lovely day too.

Konquest:
@aswani
Thank you.

By the way, just a quick one for you to further ponder on, you remember the then 21-year-old Chidinma girl who stabbed Michael Usifo Ataga the TV boss to death in Lekki and stole his ATM, money and laptop which she insidiouly sold off at Computer Village in Ikeja? She was using hard drugs as well (weeds inclusive).


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aswani:
I do remember that story.

To be fair, I won't condider weed a hard drug, I don't toke by the way, as I have been around people that smoke it and it seems to make them chilled.

In fact I knew a guy we played set with that was naturally aggressive, as soon as we all sat down after the games and the blazing cannabis was passed round amongst those interested, his funnier, much more pleasant side kicked in.

Maybe if you mix it with other things sha, you start losing your bearings and all hell breaks lose. That I don't know.

Pythagoras001:
it is completely irrelavant now as there are envidence she disobeyed lawfull instruction from the flight crew and assualted/battered staff of the airline and airport.

Pythagoras001:
Both sides were wrong. airline security were completely unprofessional (by posting the woman nudes online and the way she was restrained). they need proper training on ways to properly restrain an unruly passenger. they should have been there before any person disembark from the plane and should have gone straight to her seat and have her cuffed behind her back.
The final power lies in the flight crew. if she was asked to switch off her phones she must obey that order disobeying that lawfull order is an offence. it is irrelavant if the phone is put on flight mode or not. if the order was your phone should be switched off or put on flight mode. then you could do any.