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Hello guys
I'm writing this post because we've been mislead and misguided on what Love - Real Love - is.

We've bought into the notion that Love has to be a give and take affair so when the other party ain't doing any of these, we forget the person.

I wanna share with you a passage of Scripture from the book of 1 Corinthians the 13th Chapter

This version is quoted from the Amplified Bible version to give us more understanding about what real love is.

If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love[for others growing out of God’s love for me], then I have become only a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal [just an annoying distraction].
2 And if I have the gift of prophecy[and speak a new message from God to the people], and understand all mysteries, and (possess) all knowledge; and if I have all (sufficient) faith so that I can remove mountains, but do not have love[reaching out to others], I am nothing.

3 If I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it does me no good at all.

4 Love endures with patience and serenity, love is kind and thoughtful, and is not jealous or envious; love does not brag and is not proud or arrogant.

5 It is not rude; it is not self-seeking, it is not provoked[nor overly sensitive and easily angered]; it does not take into account a wrong endured.

6 It does not rejoice at injustice, but rejoices with the truth [when right and truth prevail].
7 Love bears all things [regardless of what comes], believes all things [looking for the best in each one], hopes all things [remaining steadfast during difficult times], endures all things [without weakening].

8 Love never fails(it never fades nor ends)

If you noticed Apostle Paul first of all listed righteous acts that are meaningless if Love isn't the motive behind it and these are listed in the first three verses before defining what real love is.

Truth is the kinda Love defined here isn't the give and take kind e pressed by fellow humans today. A love that is Self driven instead of Others driven.

Real Love is hard to express because Man by nature is Selfish. So fir a man to express this kinda Love quoted here, He or she has to have a new nature at work in him or her. This nature is Righteousness which is the nature Jesus exemplified that made Him lay down His Royalty to grovel in the dirt of Sin so that He can reconcile us to God and so that we can enjoy once again the fellowship we had before the Fall.

Lemme stop here for now and leave room for the input of others.

Apologies for the many colors wanted to emphasize the important key sentences.
Will be waiting for your feedback

This topic is very hard to understand so it'll be better i remain silent because it's the major reason why Jesus got killed and his first century disciples all murdered one after another!

AngelahFlo:
➜Hello guys I'm writing this post because we've been mislead and misguided on what Love - Real Love - is.
We've bought into the notion that Love has to be a give and take affair so when the other party ain't doing any of these, we forget the person.
I wanna share with you a passage of Scripture from the book of 1 Corinthians the 13th Chapter
This version is quoted from the Amplified Bible version to give us more understanding about what real love is.
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If you noticed Apostle Paul first of all listed righteous acts that are meaningless if Love isn't the motive behind it and these are listed in the first three verses before defining what real love is. Truth is the kinda Love defined here isn't the give and take kind e pressed by fellow humans today. A love that is Self driven instead of Others driven. [/b]
➜Real Love is hard to express because Man by nature is Selfish. So fir a man to express this kinda Love quoted here, He or she has to have a new nature at work in him or her. This nature is Righteousness which is the nature Jesus exemplified that made Him lay down His Royalty to grovel in the dirt of Sin so that He can reconcile us to God and so that we can enjoy once again the fellowship we had before the Fall. Lemme stop here for now and leave room for the input of others.

1. What in the world are you on about?

2. The only reason you find what Paul described in that context hard to express is because:
➜you have never experienced it
➜ and nothing of what your actions have ever come close to portraying it.

Kobojunkie:
1. What in the world are you on about?

2. The only reason you find what Paul described in that context hard to express is because:
➜you have never experienced it
➜ and nothing of what your actions have ever come close to portraying it.

Who made you a Judge and what makes you think I've not experienced it? There are things that are hard to grasp unless you've experience. Real Love like the one I shared is Love you understand after you've experienced it. When you practice forgiveness, you're manifesting this love
When you share information that would bless a brother like I'm doing here, you're practicing this love.
When you put other people first, you're practicing this love. I wrote about how hard this love is hard to express not because of me but because of natural men who're after satisfying themselves before anybody else that's why I shared that scripture before explaining.
You asked what am I about?
I wanna bring to my online audience what real love is because Love is the glue that makes for unity and for peaceful Co existence.

AngelahFlo:
➜Who made you a Judge and what makes you think I've not experienced it?
➜ There are things that are hard to grasp unless you've experience.
➜ Real Love like the one I shared is Love you understand after you've experienced it. When you practice forgiveness, you're manifesting this love
➜ When you share information that would bless a brother like I'm doing here, you're practicing this love.
➜ When you put other people first, you're practicing this love.
➜ I wrote about how hard this love is hard to express not because of me but because of natural men who're after satisfying themselves before anybody else that's why I shared that scripture before explaining. You asked what am I about?
➜ I wanna bring to my online audience what real love is because Love is the glue that makes for unity and for peaceful Co existence.

The same way you set yourself as judge over the love of others is the exact same way I can judge your claims.

2. Things that are hard to grasp are things one has never experienced either partially or fully.

3. What you shared amounts to religious gobbledegook and nothing else.

4. Information that could bless a brother? Again, this is religious gobbledegook and not love.

5. Again, this is religious gobbledegook!

6. Hard to express? Nonsense!

7. Your idea of love is obviously no different from the religious idea which is peddled by all religious folks out there... foaming in the mouth but lacking in substance or proof.

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And this is not a personal attack but letting you realize that your conclusion is in every way removed from what Paul, the Jewish Israelite, stated in that passage which you pretend your statements are pulled from.

Kobojunkie:
The same way you set yourself as judge over the love of others is the exact same way I can judge your claims.

2. Things that are hard to grasp are things one has never experienced either partially or fully.

3. What you shared amounts to religious gobbledegook and nothing else.

4. Information that could bless a brother? Again, this is religious gobbledegook and not love.

5. Again, this is religious gobbledegook!

6. Hard to express? Nonsense!

7. Your idea of love is obviously no different from the religious idea which is peddled by all religious folks out there... foaming in the mouth but lacking in substance or proof.

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And this is not a personal attack but letting you realize that your conclusion is in every way removed from what Paul, the Jewish Israelite, stated in that passage which you pretend your statements are pulled from.

According to your books aiight?
What's real is always gibberish to the ignorant. Your reference guide has blinded you to things worth knowing that you see Knowledge and call it gibberish. That it doesn't agree with your reference guide doesn't mean it ain't real and true so you can scoff at it and call it gobbledegook it doesn't dim it's power. Real Love exists and it's not selfish.

Once again I reiterate "that your books doesn't agree with it doesn't mean it ain't real and true. I'll come back to you proper tomorrow.

MaxInDHouse:
This topic is very hard to understand so it'll be better i remain silent because it's the major reason why Jesus got killed and his first century disciples all murdered one after another!

You ain't far from the truth. It's the reason why I shared it. Perfect Love ain't afraid to be controversial. Watch out for my next two topics if you think this is controversial.

AngelahFlo:
➜....That it doesn't agree with your reference guide doesn't mean it ain't real and true so you can scoff at it and call it gobbledegook it doesn't dim it's power.
➜Real Love exists and it's not selfish.
➜Once again I reiterate "that your books doesn't agree with it doesn't mean it ain't real and true. I'll come back to you proper tomorrow.

1. The reference guide here is the Bible which you pretend you believe in, and the book clearly reveals what you descibe is nothing of what is in fact stated in it.

2. Many types of love would meet the same description. For instance, the love from a baby to a child is perceived as unselfish love. So?

3. The book you referenced is the Bible. From it, you quoted the words of Paul, the Jewish Israelite, whose description/idea does not connect with what you have said so far.

AngelahFlo:
You ain't far from the truth. It's the reason why I shared it. Perfect Love ain't afraid to be controversial. Watch out for my next two topics if you think this is controversial.

My comments are like hot cake on this forum that's why i've been cautious this days for instance see commendations:

Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.

Sirmwill:
I am not a Jehovah Witness person
I am not even a church person
But
I can tell you ,you are saying a lot of truth but
Most people would not accept
So
Don't bother yourself much with arguments 😇

DoctorAyukebot:
You know your scriptures

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

IykeSent:
This is a deep and insightful explanation of Hebrews 1:5, showing how Jesus is uniquely God's Son not just another angel. I especially liked the connection to the temple and the idea of spiritual sonship through being “born again.God bless you for this

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same christain doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

shinaola21:
Perfectly said bro 💯

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

So that's why i've honorably reduced the way i engage Nairalanders this days!

AngelahFlo:
According to your books aiight?
What's real is always gibberish to the ignorant. Your reference guide has blinded you to things worth knowing that you see Knowledge and call it gibberish. That it doesn't agree with your reference guide doesn't mean it ain't real and true so you can scoff at it and call it gobbledegook it doesn't dim it's power. Real Love exists and it's not selfish.

Once again I reiterate "that your books doesn't agree with it doesn't mean it ain't real and true. I'll come back to you proper tomorrow.

A followup to my post and also my last stand on this argument.
After this I'm digressing to another topic and post.

The Sons of God spoken about were not descendants of Seth as some people have supposed even though the men of this race were also referred to as "sons of God" but it was to angelic beings.
To prove that the sons of God were really angels and not mortal men Jude 1:6-7

6 And angels who did not keep their own designated place of power, but abandoned their proper dwelling place, [these] He has kept in eternal chains under [the thick gloom of utter] darkness for the judgment of the great day,
7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent cities, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in gross immoral freedom and unnatural vice and sensual perversity. They are exhibited [in plain sight] as an example in undergoing the punishment of everlasting fire.
provided the answer. It's recorded there that the Angels which left their habitation and came down to dwell among men has been kept in chains in outer darkness awaiting the day of Judgement.
Verse 7 related what these fallen ones did to warrant the punishment meted on them by God.
The Children born out of their union were the Nephilims. Yes there were Nephilims on earth before and after the flood but the ones that existed before the flood were offspring of the Fallen angels and the women they had sexual relations with.

MaxInDHouse:
My comments are like hot cake on this forum that's why i've been cautious this days for instance see commendations:



































So that's why i've honorably reduced the way i engage Nairalanders this days!

That shouldn't stop you!!
It might even help you. For me.every rebuttal I've received concerning my posts have made me study the word more which ultimately is making me.a better person. So my dear which do you prefer
The Yes of men or God's?

AngelahFlo:
That shouldn't stop you!!
It might even help you. For me.every rebuttal I've received concerning my posts have made me study the word more which ultimately is making me.a better person. So my dear which do you prefer. The Yes of men or God's?

It's OK, i've been there before so continue with them!

AngelahFlo:
A followup to my post and also my last stand on this argument.
After this I'm digressing to another topic and post.

The Sons of God spoken about were not descendants of Seth as some people have supposed even though the men of this race were also referred to as "sons of God" but it was to angelic beings.
To prove that the sons of God were really angels and not mortal men Jude 1:6-7

6 And angels who did not keep their own designated place of power, but abandoned their proper dwelling place, [these] He has kept in eternal chains under [the thick gloom of utter] darkness for the judgment of the great day,
7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent cities, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in gross immoral freedom and unnatural vice and sensual perversity. They are exhibited [in plain sight] as an example in undergoing the punishment of everlasting fire.
provided the answer. It's recorded there that the Angels which left their habitation and came down to dwell among men has been kept in chains in outer darkness awaiting the day of Judgement.
Verse 7 related what these fallen ones did to warrant the punishment meted on them by God.
The Children born out of their union were the Nephilims. Yes there were Nephilims on earth before and after the flood but the ones that existed before the flood were offspring of the Fallen angels and the women they had sexual relations with.

Hi, there. Is this not reaching? It's more of an inference that is categorically not stated in the context.

Kobojunkie:
1. The reference guide here is the Bible which you pretend you believe in, and the book clearly reveals what you descibe is nothing of what is in fact stated in it.

2. Many types of love would meet the same description. For instance, the love from a baby to a child is perceived as unselfish love. So?

3. The book you referenced is the Bible. From it, you quoted the words of Paul, the Jewish Israelite, whose description/idea does not connect with what you have said so far.

Can you tell me how it doesn't connect so far? Cos you have this way of spinning words in such a subtle way as to deceive. It's consistent with you. Did you read the bible portion I dropped at the beginning of the post. Can you tell me where and where what I shared is different from what Apostle Paul was trying to share?

First off, the Love of a baby to a child is selfish at best. Every baby wants attention.Real Love is not an attention seeker. It seeks the good of the other and it's a giving Love.
Please read that bible passage in your Bible and lemme know which version it is before responding to this post. I shared mine from the Amplified Bible version. Lemme know which version or which book you got your reference from and we can argue from that angle

Julia25:
Hi, there. Is this not reaching? It's more of an inference that is categorically not stated in the context.

I'm sorry @Julia25
It was a mistake
What's your contribution to the topic? Do you support what Apostle Paul shared about Real Love in 1 Corinthians 13: 1-8?

AngelahFlo:
I'm sorry @Julia25
It was a mistake
What's your contribution to the topic? Do you support what Apostle Paul shared about Real Love in 1 Corinthians 13: 1-8?

Yes, I agree. It's self-less love above one's self— Godkind of love, agape love😘!

Julia25:
Yes, I agree. It's self-less love above one's self— Godkind of love, agape love😘!

Thanks at least you've proven to be the odd one out so far who really understand what I was trying to share. Now in your opinion why is this kind of love hard to express by humans?
Is it because it's unconditional and they feel they must meet some conditions in order to merit this love?

AngelahFlo:
Thanks at least you've proven to be the odd one out so far who really understand what I was trying to share. Now in your opinion why is this kind of love hard to express by humans?
Is it because it's unconditional and they feel they must meet some conditions in order to merit this love?

Circumstances and feelings of being cheated makes it hard. Such love will leave you exploited, given the ravenous wolves that are after material things.

It's very difficult in this present world, you must forsake all things including yourself for others but are they worth it?

Paul was talking about the love Jesus preached which is LOVE for God and for neighbors {Mark 12:30-31} in this type of love you must be studious in order to know what God specifically requires of all humans.
You must know why God loves some and hate others so that you may keep your feet on the part of righteousness! Matthew 7:13-14
Next thing you need to be humble {Zephaniah 2:2-3} and view all your fellow worshipers superior to you {Philippians 2:3; Matthew 23:11} under Christ Jesus as all of you submit to the same line of thought! 1Corinthans 1:10; John 17:22

I will tell you the first out of these but the rest you must welcome true Christians to learn from my brothers.

There is an ongoing war between the forces of light and the forces of darkness {2Corinthians 6:14} God is the father of Light so he made Jesus the leader of the forces of light while Satan is the king of darkness.
Whoever disowns himself and humbly submit to Christ's kingship will be loved by our heavenly Father but all politicians are under Satan the king of darkness so it's impossible for any politician to have the type of love Jesus preached because politicians always want to rule their world and that's what Satan also wants that's why they are all his children!

AngelahFlo:
➜Can you tell me how it doesn't connect so far? Cos you have this way of spinning words in such a subtle way as to deceive. It's consistent with you. Did you read the bible portion I dropped at the beginning of the post. Can you tell me where and where what I shared is different from what Apostle Paul was trying to share?
➜ First off, the Love of a baby to a child is selfish at best. Every baby wants attention.
➜ Real Love is not an attention seeker. It seeks the good of the other and it's a giving Love. Please read that bible passage in your Bible and lemme know which version it is before responding to this post. I shared mine from the Amplified Bible version. Lemme know which version or which book you got your reference from and we can argue from that angle.

1. This is coming from someone who has acknowledged on more than one occasion that religion is entirely based on spins of the actual reports contained in the book called the Bible?

2. Yikes.... so a baby's want for attention is your idea of a baby's love? Yikes! I wonder where this is heading.

3. So, this is your interpretation, which runs counter to what was written by Paul, the Jewish Israelite. In verse 3, Paul, the Jewish Israelite, explained that the love which is required of him is not for the benefit of others, though.

Kobojunkie:
1. This is coming from someone who has acknowledged on more than one occasion that religion is entirely based on spins of the actual reports contained in the book called the Bible?

2. Yikes.... so a baby's want for attention is your idea of a baby's love? Yikes! I wonder where this is heading.

3. So, this is your interpretation, which runs counter to what was written by Paul, the Jewish Israelite. In verse 3, Paul, the Jewish Israelite, explained that the love which is required of him is not for the benefit of others, though.

I'm so sorry this is where I drop my fingers and stop arguing with you on this. You're like a hamster in a spinning wheel going nowhere. Just spinning in one spot. So I give up lest I say things that ain't befitting of my Christian faith. You're not gonna drag me there with your deluded statements. Thanks for your contribution.

AngelahFlo:
Hello guys
I'm writing this post because we've been mislead and misguided on what Love - Real Love - is.

We've bought into the notion that Love has to be a give and take affair so when the other party ain't doing any of these, we forget the person.

I wanna share with you a passage of Scripture from the book of 1 Corinthians the 13th Chapter..

If you noticed Apostle Paul first of all listed righteous acts that are meaningless if Love isn't the motive behind it and these are listed in the first three verses before defining what real love is.

Truth is the kinda Love defined here isn't the give and take kind e pressed by fellow humans today. A love that is Self driven instead of Others driven.

Real Love is hard to express because Man by nature is Selfish. So fir a man to express this kinda Love quoted here, He or she has to have a new nature at work in him or her. This nature is Righteousness which is the nature Jesus exemplified that made Him lay down His Royalty to grovel in the dirt of Sin so that He can reconcile us to God and so that we can enjoy once again the fellowship we had before the Fall.

Lemme stop here for now and leave room for the input of others.

Paul is just showing you how God's Love is and has been and if the conditions are right, then I add how it can be.

However humans love ranges from selfish to the other extreme of overloving a person or thing that does not want your love.

However, every reasonable person can see that if and when love is not reciprocated, it will die, turn cold or even move to hate.

Which even the bible warned that there is a time for love and a time to hate

Dtruthspeaker:
Paul is just showing you how God's Love is and has been and if the conditions are right, then I add how it can be.

However humans love ranges from selfish to the other extreme of overloving a person or thing that does not want your love.

However, every reasonable person can see that if and when love is not reciprocated, it will die, turn cold or even move to hate.

Which even the bible warned that there is a time for love and a time to hate

True my brother but the Love mentioned here isn't the kinda Love mentioned in Ecclesiastes 3. That kinda Love is a condition based love not the one mentioned in 1 Corinthians 13:1-8. The God kind of Love mentioned here is an Unconditional one and isn't predicated on time otherwise God who love us unconditionally would have had to hate us at one point. The only instance where God will leave a person alone is when He tries to reach the person to make him or her
His vessel is when the person refuse to embrace the Gospel. That's where God leaves the person alone aside this instance God's unconditional love is constant always

Dtruthspeaker:
Paul is just showing you how God's Love is and has been and if the conditions are right, then I add how it can be.

However humans love ranges from selfish to the other extreme of overloving a person or thing that does not want your love.

However, every reasonable person can see that if and when love is not reciprocated, it will die, turn cold or even move to hate.

Which even the bible warned that there is a time for love and a time to hate

Real Love is Unconditional.
The place you experience this kinda Love is in the place of Forgiveness
When you really forgive someone, you're expressing real Love.
It ain't easy
It's strange but it's possible.
Even me writing this struggle with expressing it but I'm relying on God's Grace to help me walk in this kinda Love daily.

AngelahFlo:
Real Love is Unconditional.
The place you experience this kinda Love is in the place of Forgiveness
When you really forgive someone, you're expressing real Love.
It ain't easy
It's strange but it's possible.
Even me writing this struggle with expressing it but I'm relying on God's Grace to help me walk in this kinda Love daily.

Love and forgiveness are not the same thing. For if there is love there no forgiveness because the parties in the love relationship do not do anything that would require forgiveness.

And no where did 1 Corinthians 13 say that love is unconditional. So you are also promoting the same doctrine the world teaches

AngelahFlo:
True my brother but the Love mentioned here isn't the kinda Love mentioned in Ecclesiastes 3. That kinda Love is a condition based love not the one mentioned in 1 Corinthians 13:1-8. The God kind of Love mentioned here is an Unconditional one and isn't predicated on time otherwise God who love us unconditionally would have had to hate us at one point. The only instance where God will leave a person alone is when He tries to reach the person to make him or her
His vessel is when the person refuse to embrace the Gospel. That's where God leaves the person alone aside this instance God's unconditional love is constant always

I Corinthians 13 does not say that love is unconditional. Infact it is even laying down the conditions of love if you examine it

Dtruthspeaker:
I Corinthians 13 does not say that love is unconditional. Infact it is even laying down the conditions of love if you examine it

Check it well
You'll notice it refers to others. A love that seeks the best of others is an Unconditional love. Every other kind of love. Brotherly love
Romantic love
Love among friends
All have conditions which must be met to foster it.
Check my opening post. I posted the Bible verses with highlights.

Dtruthspeaker:
Love and forgiveness are not the same thing. For if there is love there no forgiveness because the parties in the love relationship do not do anything that would require forgiveness.

And no where did 1 Corinthians 13 say that love is unconditional. So you are also promoting the same doctrine the world teaches

Love and forgiveness ain't the same thing but Forgiveness - true forgiveness - is an offshoot of unconditional love. You'll find it hard to accept but it's the truth. You forgive the person because you chose to not because that person met some conditions that warrant you to forgive the person. If the person met some conditions that warrant their forgiveness, then they weren't really forgiven so Forgiveness is an offshoot of Unconditional Love.

AngelahFlo:
Check it well
You'll notice it refers to others. A love that seeks the best of others is an Unconditional love. Every other kind of love. Brotherly love
Romantic love
Love among friends
All have conditions which must be met to foster it.
Check my opening post. I posted the Bible verses with highlights.

Love is love, no matter the names you people choose to describe it. And 1 Corinthians 13 did not say it is unconditional. Eod

Dtruthspeaker:
Love is love, no matter the names you people choose to describe it. And 1 Corinthians 13 did not say it is unconditional. Eod

Aiight then
Be at Peace