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LegacyB:
Just another show. They are both powerless. As relevant as their governor wants them to be.

They are not POWERLESS sir. They represent the Yoruba race, in and outside the country, from Nigeria to Brazil.
Thanks for your concern.

Make we organise boxing match for these guys.

This is called respect from other tribes as the matter no concern them. However, had it been these 2 gentlemen kings are from other region, we would have been seeing stewpid comments from them them. I hope such is maintained in this group. I'm surprised I have not heard from Omokirikirikri

The two prominent monarchs cannot get along.

GhaliNaaba:
I know people are gullible as truth remains that Oonirisa of Ife is trespassing his boundary. He has no authority to make appointment that cover entire Yoruba land.
Alafin remain the defacto political leader of entire Yoruba race will Ooni is head of Aborisa of Yorubaland😂.
He can't only make appointment on Okanlomo of Odua not of Yoruba land.
Ooni has no empire.
He is a spiritual leader but has no authority that cover the whole Yorubaland.

Does the Alaafin have that political authority? His empire does not exist as he has no army to enforce any order and is a defeated Kingdom. Where is his army where is his police, what are the extent and boundaries of his kingdom.

Alaafin is a government employeee wey dey collect salary from government. Alaafin that can be sacked and replaced like the Emir Sanusi by the governor his boss.

Alaafin has no such authority...but Ooni as the spiritual head of the so called cradle of mankind is in a more elevated position.

He has a palace and is considered a priestly king

Make them enter ring...

Anybody wey win .....

I hope this doesn't blow into a full scale war that would be similar to the Chief Akintola and Chief Awolowo power play.
The yoruba's are learned, they should't let others laugh at them.

fabolouz1:
I hope this doesn't blow into a full scale war that would be similar to the Chief Akintola and Chief Awolowo power play.
The yoruba's are learned, they should't let others laugh at them.

There is no big deal here, it's just that most folks are ignorant of the past.

In 1991, Ooni Sijuwade attempted to make a rich politician, Chief Tom Ikimi, the Akinrogun of Yorubaland. Alaafin Adeyemi III objected with a cease and desist. Ooni backtracked and made him Akinrogun of Ife.

This is not new at all and nothing to sweat on, there are few other instances. Ooni should simply stick within his limits on this.

The issue will die down naturally, some people will foam in the mouth while facing uncomfortable reality, people will learn new lessons, and life will go on.

foleskay:
Wat are u saying. Ooni has crowned the man okanlomo title 5 years ago during the reign of Lamidi. There was no rancour then. How come it's the time of Akeem the matter is coming up again. That's to tell u,Akeem is a troublesome king and an usurper too

Crown which man? Even Lamidi sued Ooni's predecessor for attempting such in 1991 and won till Supreme Court. Which Ooni's father has ever had a Yoruba land chief?

Is Yoruba land not a contraption of Alaafin who almagamated kingdoms from River Niger to Volta that we now refer as Yoruba land? Is Ooni not the son of the chief priest to Oduduwa's blood lineage again because Politicians say so?

stevebond007:
They are not POWERLESS sir. They represent the Yoruba race, in and outside the country, from Nigeria to Brazil.
Thanks for your concern.

These are governor elected Obas. Am sure you can tell yourself that much truth. And really powerless home and away.

Aprocco:
Crown which man? Even Lamidi sued Ooni's predecessor for attempting such in 1991 and won till Supreme Court. Which Ooni's father has ever had a Yoruba land chief?

Is Yoruba land not a contraption of Alaafin who almagamated kingdoms from River Niger to Volta that we now refer as Yoruba land? Is Ooni not the son of the chief priest to Oduduwa's blood lineage again because Politicians say so?

Gbam you have hit the nail on it’s head . Yes it’s what the politicians says that matters. These Obas lost their powers long time ago.

bennybuhari:
Oyo empire is the headquarters of Yoruba race. This is a sacred fact

Oyo empire wey war scatter many time

Hienna1:
Do you also read that the ife kingdom also pays tithe to the Alaafin... There are other kindgom too like the Awujale of Ijebu, alake of ake, soun of ogbomoso and others too..

Just saying you know.. the one we read in history.. the Oyo controls all activities including slave trade, military control, etc..

When did Awujale pay tribute to Oyo? Don't give false information here.

Yes, empires fight wars. They win some, they lose some. In Oyo's case, it was more of internal mutiny.

Alamu5891:
Oyo empire wey war scatter many time

Ring ke? Ooni that will soon backtrack like his predecessor as soon as his lawyers brief him. Otherwise, it's going to be brutal disgrace at the courthouse. Mark my words, Ooni will change the title to Ife title and not Yorubaland. Sure banker

stampo:
Make them enter ring...

Anybody wey win .....

bennybuhari:
Oyo empire is the headquarters of Yoruba race. This is a sacred fact

Oyo empire doesn't extend to all the present day Yorubaland. That's a fact.

LeeSmart:
I don't even know who has the higher power amongst these two monarchs. Someone should plss tell me who's more powerful.

It’s Oyo. First do not equate the most powerful.
It’s the king of Oyo that handed over the sovereignty of the whole of Yoruba to the British through a letter he addressed himself as “King of Yoruba”. England never fought the Yorubas like it fought the other powers then like Arochukwu, Sultanate, Benin and Nupes

I need to no also

LeeSmart:
I don't even know who has the higher power amongst these two monarchs. Someone should plss tell me who's more powerful.

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhh

BlackViper:
https://tribuneonlineng.com/48-hours-my-foot-ooni-of-ifes-spokesperson-reacts-to-alaafins-threat/

Can these Palace aides just learn to use modern negotiation skills to de-escalate tensions on behalf of their principals (the Obas) and find ways of resolving issues behind the scenes based on the rule of law?

Oyo Katunga (later moved to the current Oyo Ile as of 1835) was the seat or imperial capital of the Oyo Empire which didn't even cover the whole of the current Yorubaland to the far East of Yorubaland, BUT the Oyo Empire indeed extended from modern Nigeria to Benin Republic and Togo. On the other hand, Ile-Ife is the current, historical cultural and spiritual capital of the entire Yorubas in Nigeria, Benin Republic, Togo and the Diaspora.

The Oyo folks have their roots in Ile-Ife via Oranmiyan who also was an Oba of Benin and founded the current Obaship dynasty in Benin 800 years ago (after the Ogiso era ended) before leaving for Ife so that his son Oba Eweka (by an aboriginal woman) would take over. There must be peace henceforth and these media outlets must be made to stop publishing these random comments from Palace spokespersons from Oyo and Ife.

Hienna1:
Do you also read that the ife kingdom also pays tithe to the Alaafin... There are other kindgom too like the Awujale of Ijebu, alake of ake, soun of ogbomoso and others too..

Just saying you know.. the one we read in history.. the Oyo controls all activities including slave trade, military control, etc..

You didn't notice what ge said right?
They did all those to Oyo empire of aeon ago. Take note of the words 'is' and 'was'. Both of them are kingdoms these days: a domain ruled by a king. Time of Oyo empire has passed. How many towns or cities are controlled or still pay tribute to Oyo today?

Shikena:
There is no big deal here, it's just that most folks are ignorant of the past.

In 1991, Ooni Sijuwade attempted to make a rich politician, Chief Tom Ikimi, the Akinrogun of Yorubaland. Alaafin Adeyemi III objected with a cease and desist. Ooni backtracked and made him Akinrogun of Ife.

This is not new at all and nothing to sweat on, there are few other instances. Ooni should simply stick within his limits on this.

The issue will die down naturally, some people will foam in the mouth while facing uncomfortable reality, people will learn new lessons, and life will go on.

I don't know how true this story is though.. But I am curious.. What would the Alaafin had done if the old Ooni had gone ahead to call the bluff of the Alaafin considering the fact that the defunct Oyo empire army which would have done the needful no longer exist?

It has gotten so bad that ordinary Ooni's aide is publicly making jest of the Alaafin and nothing will happen. Ooni is not even dignifying him with a response let alone even giving his threat a consideration. Please I am very much interested in what the Alaafin of your story would have done to the Ooni if he ignored the so-called cease and desist assuming the story even happened..

Hienna1:
Do you also read that the ife kingdom also pays tithe to the Alaafin... There are other kindgom too like the Awujale of Ijebu, alake of ake, soun of ogbomoso and others too..

Just saying you know.. the one we read in history.. the Oyo controls all activities including slave trade, military control, etc..

Go back and read what you quoted again, now slooowwwlyyyyy

joromii:
Make una sha no start war. Na so all these small small wars dey start

They can start a war, we support our Ooni. Ife is the Grandfather of Oyo.

Aprocco:
Crown which man? Even Lamidi sued Ooni's predecessor for attempting such in 1991 and won till Supreme Court. Which Ooni's father has ever had a Yoruba land chief?

Is Yoruba land not a contraption of Alaafin who almagamated kingdoms from River Niger to Volta that we now refer as Yoruba land? Is Ooni not the son of the chief priest to Oduduwa's blood lineage again because Politicians say so?

Oga! Oyo never controlled all the kingdoms in Yorubaland.

Ijebu, Owo, Ondo etc were never subjugated by Oyo.

bennybuhari:
Oyo empire is the headquarters of Yoruba race. This is a sacred fact

Yoruba history did not begin with Oyo Empire which incidentally lasted only some 200+ years. Oyo empire era don pass. You no fit senior your papa.

Aprocco:
Crown which man? Even Lamidi sued Ooni's predecessor for attempting such in 1991 and won till Supreme Court. Which Ooni's father has ever had a Yoruba land chief?

Is Yoruba land not a contraption of Alaafin who almagamated kingdoms from River Niger to Volta that we now refer as Yoruba land? Is Ooni not the son of the chief priest to Oduduwa's blood lineage again because Politicians say so?

Ooni is occupying the throne of Oduduwa while alafin is occupying the throne of Oduduwa 's son. So that makes Ooni superior to alaafin

BlackViper:
https://tribuneonlineng.com/48-hours-my-foot-ooni-of-ifes-spokesperson-reacts-to-alaafins-threat/

The Yoruba know that it is the Alaafin who represents the Yoruba appropriately.The Yoruba Monarch deserving of Eminence among other kings is not a fraudster or dishonest or a con man. He is not one who cannot properly manage a home. He is not one who depends on political patronage to take of himself. He is not one who dresses in a manner alien to the Yoruba. One whose only claim to primacy is being an idol worshipper is not it for the Yoruba!

geoworldedu:
Well, it's okay to see little scoffles in the traditional setup too. We always see them in the political and religious setup too.

They are all same same. Na politics all the monarch self Dey play

forgiveness:
Oga! Oyo never controlled all the kingdoms in Yorubaland.

Ijebu, Owo, Ondo etc were never subjugated by Oyo.

It's brilliant of you to emphasize these FACTS because I also did the same right above on this same thread page. Oyo Empire didn't cover the whole of the Eastern parts of Yorubaland. So, how can Oyo Kingdom be the one to choose universal titles for everyone? Aare Ona Kakanfo given to Gani Adams who is from Ondo State by the Oyo Kingdom is at their discretion. All the Yoruba kingdoms are directly, ancestrally related to one another but Oyo is just one out of all the Yoruba kingdoms that grew to become an economic and militarily powerful Empire in West Africa centuries ago.

The Ibadan folks too tried to create an Ibadan Empire after decisively defeating the invading foreign Fulani impostors (and sadly, their Yoruba Ilorin collaborators) at the famous battle of Osogbo in 1840, BUT the subsequent repression of the Ijesas, Ekiti, and Ife by the Ajeles of Ibadan led to a massive revolt and the 16-year long Civil War named Ekiti Parapo Wars otherwise known as the Kiriji War (named after the sound from the modern cannons used by the Ekitis and ijesha army which they purchased from Eko or Lagos Island).

Specific people from parts of Yorubaland must learn from the history of the 1700s and largely the 1800s and NOT seek to impose themselves on their fellow Yoruba cousins. Yorubas are known come from warriors backgrounds and so resist oppression and these two Obas (who are even a bit younger than me in age) MUST be wise. Those days of imperialism are over. Mutual respect, human capacity building and the deployment of disruptive technologies are what the Yoruba folks and other Africans require at this moment in human history not some lame controversies over aristocratic titles.