₦airaland Forum

DaddyJapan:
How does this letter address the concerns @Jakumo raised?

If his interpretation of the law he quoted is correct - note that I have not read it myself - surely, we all need to be alarmed by its blatant overreach as well as the excessive penalties it prescribes.

We model our nation's imperfect democracy on the United States' and United Kingdom's. Yet in both these countries, people do not go to jail simply for arguing a case for secession or republicanism. Why is it that neither you nor @helinues appear to be remotely pertubed by what appears to be a draconian law, even though you know damn well that it infringes on our civil liberties. Are you so blinded by party loyalty that your critical thinking skills have been completely eroded?

Lies! People go to the jail. Many are in jail for their utterances and actions in especially the United States of America.

Once again

Softmirror:
Opinions should not just be opinions, opinions should be made based on facts and should also be expressed in a very civil manner that is constructive intented to make correction.

So my point again.

Softmirror:
Free speech has limitations even in the United States of America. You can't use your social media handle to be threatening the government without suffering the consequences. Just like Nnamdi Kanu is facing the consequences of his speeches.

helinues:
You guys should stop trolling me on this forum. I made the above quote on this same thread

As an afterthought - yes. But your initial comment was primarily about the 2027 election, and how a reasonable amount of noise makers might end up in jail.

I called you out for your equivocation on punitive law. Deal with it.

Softmirror:
Lies! People go to the jail. Many are in jail for their utterances and actions in especially the United States of America.

Once again



So my point again.

You are clearly not well exposed. You need to broaden your reading material.

Do you see what an AI chatbot returned.

Recent Secessionist Activities
White House Petitions (2012):
Following the 2012 presidential election, over 100,000 Americans signed petitions asking the White House to allow their states to secede, with Texas receiving the most signatures.

California Secession Efforts (2016 onwards):
After Donald Trump's election in 2016, some Californians called for the state to secede from the union.

Second Vermont Republic (2003):
This Vermont-based group seeks to restore the formerly independent state's status as a republic, opposing the U.S. government.
"National Divorce":
In 2023, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene proposed a "national divorce" to divide the country along partisan lines.

DaddyJapan:
You are clearly not well exposed. You need to broaden your reading material.

Do you see what an AI chatbot returned.

Out of context. Go back and try to understand the subject matter. Thank you.

Softmirror:
Out of context. Go back and try to understand the subject matter. Thank you.

Says the one who thinks ALL opinions should be predicated on facts.
Have you never heard the phrase "in my opinion"?
Do you understand the difference between what is generally considered a fact and what an opinion is?

Whatever happened to the standards of discourse on Nairaland?

DaddyJapan:
Says the one who thinks ALL opinions should be predicated on facts.
Have you never heard the phrase "in my opinion"?
Do you understand the difference between what is generally considered a fact and what an opinion is?

Whatever happened to the standards of discourse on Nairaland?

Is this a FACT or and opinion?!

Softmirror:
Is this a FACT or and opinion?!

I don't have a problem with the letter, so what's your point?

Again, how does your response address my last post?

Softmirror:
Is this a FACT below. If it is not what is it?!

helinues:
Meaning before the 2027 election, reasonable number of the noise makers might spend their time behind the bars

christistruth01:
Succession or advocating for it is unconstitutional

Azikiwe saw to that

Jakumo:
It is reassuring to hear from a lawyer that this new law will still be subject to close scrutiny and possible amendment before its final version enters the lawbooks.

One thing you all have in common is the fact that you all supported the government in power that brought this law, so you guys should all enjoy what you supported, you think we who were against this government didn't know why we were seriously against this government coming into power, maybe you thought it was tribal, very far from that...

I told you all one thing during and after the election "time will reveal the truth" and I'm here saying it again "time will still reveal more", and I also kept on telling you guys "you guys don't know who you are dealing with" but time will still reveal it to you people....

DaddyJapan:
I don't have a problem with the letter, so what's your point?

Again, how does your response address my last post?

Read your own comment again. It was about facts and opinions.

DaddyJapan:
Says the one who thinks ALL opinions should be predicated on facts.
Have you never heard the phrase "in my opinion"?
Do you understand the difference between what is generally considered a fact and what an opinion is?

Whatever happened to the standards of discourse on Nairaland?

So that when someone calls the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria a drug lord and he is being apprehended by the Nigerian government, such persons should be able to back their speech with facts because it won't just be considered as an opinion just for the sake of opinion in the name of freedom of speech.

Brendaniel:
One thing you all have in common is the fact that you all supported the government in power that brought this law, so you guys should all enjoy what you supported, you think we who were against this government didn't know why we were seriously against this government coming into power, maybe you thought it was tribal, very far from that...

I told you all one thing during and after the election "time will reveal the truth" and I'm here saying it again "time will still reveal more", and I also kept on telling you guys "you guys don't know who you are dealing with" but time will still reveal it to you people....

Brendaniel:
One thing you all have in common is the fact that you all supported the government in power that brought this law, so you guys should all enjoy what you supported, you think we who were against this government didn't know why we were seriously against this government coming into power, maybe you thought it was tribal, very far from that...

I told you all one thing during and after the election "time will reveal the truth" and I'm here saying it again "time will still reveal more", and I also kept on telling you guys "you guys don't know who you are dealing with" but time will still reveal it to you people....

As a firm believer in the existentialist presumption that the outcome of elections is to a large extent "pre-ordained" in most Third World nations, I have never in my life participated in any voting process anywhere in the world. As such I would need to conduct a Google search to remind myself which political party is currently in power in Nigeria.

That said, I do presume that electoral democracy respects the right of commentators to air their views on current events without fear of arrest or persecution, PROVIDED THAT violence and ethnic or religious unrest are not being advocated in the course of exercising the right to free speech.

Jakumo:
The point you've made here is precisely the aspect of this new law that I am seeking to highlight. There are categories of true cyber crime online offences such as hacking for financial gain, online scams for financial gain, and online impersonation in furtherance of accruing illicit financial gain for mischievous or malicious purposes, for which this law rightly prescribes jail sentences of between 5 and 15 years.

The easily overlooked point, however, is that deeper in the text of the same law's itemized list of offenses, are NON cyber crime infractions such as online mockery or the expression of debatable opinions about public figures, that are ALSO lumped together with far more grievous financial crimes perpetrated by means deception online, and that is what could lead to a lot of outspoken but law-abiding citizens of Nigeria finding themselves faced with the prospect of LIFE sentences in jail because they wrote an opinion that offended someone who is aligned with the powers that be.

I agree with you. I'm sure you've heard the saying, 'If you want to hide something from a Black person, put it in a book'. Our people do not have a culture of reading, and even when they do read, most seem unable to discern because they are engrossed in 'whataboutism' or their parochial interests.

The proposed and passed legislation is fraught with dangerous pitfalls set up by our unscrupulous politicians to stifle legitimate dissent. I sought to address those who are too blind to see through these perilous plans in my submission.

Jakumo:
As a firm believer in the existentialist presumption that the outcome of elections is to a large extent "pre-ordained" in most Third World nations, I have never in my life participated in any voting process anywhere in the world. As such I would need to conduct a Google search to remind myself which political party is currently in power in Nigeria.

That said, I do presume that electoral democracy respects the right of commentators to air their views on current events without fear of arrest or persecution, PROVIDED THAT violence and ethnic or religious unrest are not being advocated in the course of exercising the right to free speech.

You supported and still support Tinubu, that's my point so enjoy your support...

Brendaniel:
You supported and still support Tinubu, that's my point so enjoy your support...

Your fascinating presumption is noted for all it is worth, Brendaniel. Have a wonderful day!

Jakumo:
Your fascinating presumption is noted for all it is worth, Brendaniel. Have a wonderful day!

I'm only telling you the truth...

Brendaniel:
I'm only telling you the truth...

While I am equally acknowledging your perception of an alternate truth with gratitude for all contributions to this topic.

Jakumo:
While I am equally acknowledging your perception of an alternate truth with gratitude for all contributions to this topic.

The truth remains the truth...

Brendaniel:
The truth remains the truth...

Amen to that, good sir, and may we long enjoy freedom of speech.

The Nigerian Government have proven to be one with less sensitivity

They would leave burning issues and deliberately on trivial matters

The Social media is based mostly on controversies, it sells faster.

So if they actually want to take people off it, you need to provide them with good jobs

Any other thing na wash

Brendaniel:
One thing you all have in common is the fact that you all supported the government in power that brought this law, so you guys should all enjoy what you supported, you think we who were against this government didn't know why we were seriously against this government coming into power, maybe you thought it was tribal, very far from that...

I told you all one thing during and after the election "time will reveal the truth" and I'm here saying it again "time will still reveal more", and I also kept on telling you guys "you guys don't know who you are dealing with" but time will still reveal it to you people....

We are delighted with the new Law

Why do you think Finland jailed Simon Ekpa?
You cannot be using the internet to incite murder ,Terrorism or mass destruction

Even the UK and US don't allow it

christistruth01:
We are delighted with the new Law

Why do you think Finland jailed Simon Ekpa?
You cannot be using the internet to invite murder ,Terrorism or Sedition

Even the UK and US don't allow it

Does that mean you should be destroying your own country with bad governance and injustice?

Where is the so call freedom of speech ? Why can't Nigerians have opinion? Surely we have a virulent dictatorship

Brendaniel:
Does that mean you should be destroying your own country with bad governance and injustice?

Was Simon Ekpa ordering the murder of people over the internet Justice?

christistruth01:
Was Simon Ekpa ordering the murder of people over the internet Justice?

Is he a government official?

Does he hold any allegiance to protect the lives and properties of anybody like the leaders you support who are destroying the country?

Why have they not arrested Malam El'rufia? Has this law been suspended?

All those in favour of this law will cry in the future when they are out of government. This is a fact.