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Does anyone know why ecoflow is so expensive compared to buying your batteries and inverter separately? Do they have better batteries than the popular lithium battery brands or are they just expensive because they're a USA company?

the 2%, wetin you wan use am do gangan?

kristien4:
Hello @all, please why does my inverter forget to charge my battery especially when the battery is nearly full. at about 96% or 98% when there is Nepa light, and the sun is on, it won't charge till you off and on back the nepa breaker before it starts charging.

As anyone ever has fault with a transformerless inverter? Becos majority of the complains about faulty inverters are from transformer based inverters? Do I stand correct my bosses?

Charley2020:
Does anyone know why ecoflow is so expensive compared to buying your batteries and inverter separately? Do they have better batteries than the popular lithium battery brands or are they just expensive because they're a USA company?

It is more expensive because it has a BATTERY + Charge Controller + Inverter inside it. You only need to plug and play. And it’s mobile too, meaning you can take it anywhere with you.

RickyM:
Hello great people,
Please where can I get inverter anti-dust kit?
Anyone with plug of where I can get it from, I believe I should be able to get from a repairman or so as I’ve searched online and couldn’t find any so far.

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litaninja:
the 2%, wetin you wan use am do gangan?

Good morning bosses
So much learning in this space. Thank you all so much.
It’s been a while. I went to supervise a construction work and network was really terrible there. We’ll, I’m a certified civil/structural engineer o in case someone here has work for me🙏🏼😃

I’ve been having an issue with my inverter since I came back. I took one of my studio monitors (speakers) to an electrician to fix the switch as it was problematic. After that, I noticed that each time I switch on the speakers, my inverter fan increases in speed like the sound of an ox fan and once I put off the speakers, the fan relaxes after a few minutes.

Please who has experienced a thing like this before?
What could be the cause of this?

Thank you sooo much🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

BigDickProblems:
It is more expensive because it has a BATTERY + Charge Controller + Inverter inside it. You only need to plug and play. And it’s mobile too, meaning you can take it anywhere with you.

in additon to the above. One needs to consider other things such as after sa;es services, warrantes (yea we actually pay for those even when we don't end up using it), brand name (the higher the reputation & trust, the more $$$ you pay). Let's not equally forget quality of the overall item

KudozInteriors:
Good morning bosses
So much learning in this space. Thank you all so much.
It’s been a while. I went to supervise a construction work and network was really terrible there. We’ll, I’m a certified civil/structural engineer o in case someone here has work for me🙏🏼😃

I’ve been having an issue with my inverter since I came back. I took one of my studio monitors (speakers) to an electrician to fix the switch as it was problematic. After that, I noticed that each time I switch on the speakers, my inverter fan increases in speed like the sound of an ox fan and once I put off the speakers, the fan relaxes after a few minutes.

Please who has experienced a thing like this before?
What could be the cause of this?

Thank you sooo much🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

First question is: Have you used same Inverter with the Studio Monitor before this repairs ? I mean before the issue that lead you to the electrician to make repairs, have you used same Inverter with the Studio Monitor ?

If You have and your inverter Fan wasn't doing as it currently is, then means the electrician probably didn't change just a switch.

Mind you, most times, Inverter Fans increases speed of their fan while under stress or your load is drawing current close to a high one e.g above 70%.

Also, you need be sure between when the Studio monitor was idle due to being bad VS now it's been repaired, that you haven't added other load(s) that might have increased your total concurrent load. You might also try disconnecting all loads, then power the Studio monitor first, if no issue, you gradually add other loads till you figure out the one adding the extra stress.

Ofejiro20:
As anyone ever has fault with a transformerless inverter? Becos majority of the complains about faulty inverters are from transformer based inverters? Do I stand correct my bosses?

what sort of complains and what margin

bassdow:
yet to aggressively test since I'm only using it on one of ma small auxiliary setUp BUT from the little I've observed, both in build quality and config interface, it's much better than the likes of FELICITY which I've always seen as trash.

Would say it's a close alternative for those who can't easily afford the likes of morningStar, Fangpusun, and epEver. In fact it's closely in league with epEver + this my version even supports Lithium out of the box.

Thanks boss. lemme know when u plan to dispose it sir 😁😁😁

bassdow:
First question is: Have you used same Inverter with the Studio Monitor before this repairs ? I mean before the issue that lead you to the electrician to make repairs, have you used same Inverter with the Studio Monitor ?

If You have and your inverter Fan wasn't doing as it currently is, then means the electrician probably didn't change just a switch.

Mind you, most times, Inverter Fans increases speed of their fan while under stress or your load is drawing current close to a high one e.g above 70%.

Also, you need be sure between when the Studio monitor was idle due to being bad VS now it's been repaired, that you haven't added other load(s) that might have increased your total concurrent load. You might also try disconnecting all loads, then power the Studio monitor first, if no issue, you gradually add other loads till you figure out the one adding the extra stress.

Thank you so much for replying.

Before I travelled, I was using the studio monitors with my solar and no such issues at all. The power switch of one of the monitors has been misbehaving for a while, so I used paper tape to hold it firmly. I just decided to go and put a new switch there as the trick I used on it wasn’t holding again. I came back and put the monitors on for the first time after I came back. The fans started hammering. I put them off and after like 2 minutes, the fans went off. I’ve removed all loads and done same again and it has just been the same.

My inverter is 3.5kva and these monitors are just 130watts each and at the volume I use it, both are not taking up to 200watts even. The other day, my total load with the monitors was around 350 watts and the fans were just shouting. The noise is just too much and too disturbing and I can’t explain what’s wrong.

I love music and I make music at home and with the noise, I get so frustrated and don’t achieve much because it’s just so distracting.

I’ve tried severally and put on loads that are more than 500watts but nothing happens. Once I put on the speakers, the fans start barking🤦🏽‍♂️

BigDickProblems:
It is more expensive because it has a BATTERY + Charge Controller + Inverter inside it. You only need to plug and play. And it’s mobile too, meaning you can take it anywhere with you.

I actually prefer Ecoflow, but the cost is prohibitive. It'll be so nice to have everything in one box, connect your panels, and enjoy renewable electricity.

Charley2020:
Does anyone know why ecoflow is so expensive compared to buying your batteries and inverter separately? Do they have better batteries than the popular lithium battery brands or are they just expensive because they're a USA company?

Capitalism

Capitalism.

It's a US product.

No cheap product from the US.

LABOUR is expensive and also manufacturer gotta make bank.

That apart, I don't see any other reason their products are pricey.

bassdow:
what sort of complains and what margin

I want to purchase a new inverter as my faulty inverter is 5kva. These are the loads which I use but I don't know the inverter size to buy, also if it should be a transformer based inverter or Transformerless inverter...also plz suggest quality product to buy beside Deye cos it is way too costly...

1.5HP LG inverter AC..

65 inch LG Smart TV (mainly for parlour)...

45 inch Hiscene Smart TV...(Few hours inside room)

45 inch Hiscene Smart Tv (few hours inside room)...

Thermocool Table Refrigerator (10 hours daily)...

4 Fans (2 on 20 hours standby, rest 2 fans are not more than 6 hours daily)...

Blending machine (twice a week)...

Bread toaster (twice a week)
Air Fryer (twice a week)...

Lightning points for 2 bedroom apartment..

Might possibly use electric oven in the future...

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Charley2020:
I actually prefer Ecoflow, but the cost is prohibitive. It'll be so nice to have everything in one box, connect your panels, and enjoy renewable electricity.

If you want to get something like that but cheaper, then patronize our local builders then. But it’s not advisable when compared to getting these things yourself.

Since you already mentioned 100Ah battery.l, I’ll assume you are going for a 12V system. So Why not proceed to get from Powmr (190k or so) from Dam5rey, Valto battery, Mrred battery etc. Then you can get yourself a pure sine wave sachet inverter around 40-60k depending on the power rating (I’m not sure about the price), which these guys also sell. Get a Charge controller (MPPT is best) like Felicity 30Amps around 70k or so. Then 3 units of 200watts [b]solar panels [/b]like Africell (120k). They are cheaper and will serve you better than your ecoflow.

In summary you will spend about #440k to 500k (additional expenses) for a 1280Wh system compared to this 700k Delta 2 of 1000Wh and 500Watts Jinko panel that will cost you around 900k with additionally expenses.

The difference between both is around 300k to 400k that you can use to go and get yourself a land somewhere in Ogun state. This is why most Enlightened guys just smile when you talk about solar generators.

mctfopt:
Capitalism

Capitalism.

It's a US product.

No cheap product from the US.

LABOUR is expensive and also manufacturer gotta make bank.

That apart, I don't see any other reason their products are pricey.

One of the numerous Reasons a lot of their Military hardware are just expensive metals. The fakes coming from other countries is because those ones are cutting corners or ain't good enough yet

Ofejiro20:
I want to purchase a new inverter as my faulty inverter is 5kva. These are the loads which I use but I don't know the inverter size to buy, also if it should be a transformer based inverter or Transformerless inverter...also plz suggest quality product to buy beside Deye cos it is way too costly...

1.5HP LG inverter AC..

65 inch LG Smart TV (mainly for parlour)...

45 inch Hiscene Smart TV...(Few hours inside room)

45 inch Hiscene Smart Tv (few hours inside room)...

Thermocool Table Refrigerator (10 hours daily)...

4 Fans (2 on 20 hours standby, rest 2 fans are not more than 6 hours daily)...

Blending machine (twice a week)...

Bread toaster (twice a week)
Air Fryer (twice a week)...

Lightning points for 2 bedroom apartment..

Might possibly use electric oven in the future...

...but you never ask question na. if you got question to ask, ask am directly. until then, me still dey wait for response to my question emanating from your other comment

Trippledots:
What's the you want to power, I want to assume a solar generator will be better for your needs.

I have one I can recommend if it fits your need.

go ahead.

bassdow:
...but you never ask question na. if you got question to ask, ask am directly. until then, me still dey wait for response to my question emanating from your other comment

I asked that question because I'm curious on which one to go for. Just as I said before, my previous inverter was a transformer based inverter and I've took it for repairs for about 3 times but all to no avail.


It always has one problem of transformer making humming sound on the inside and it keeps an idle load percentage even when I don't have any load switched on yet on the inverter. Why would a 5kva inverter keep a load of 14% on it even when all the appliances are not switched on?

After the last repair, the repairer asked me to get a new inverter that this one is almost dead. When I took it back home, it didn't last upto one week before it developed the exact same fault for the 4th time. This prompt my reason for asking the first question that asked earlier before bro

mctfopt:
Capitalism

Capitalism.

It's a US product.

No cheap product from the US.

LABOUR is expensive and also manufacturer gotta make bank.

That apart, I don't see any other reason their products are pricey.

That's what I thought.

BigDickProblems:
If you want to get something like that but cheaper, then patronize our local builders then. But it’s not advisable when compared to getting these things yourself.

Since you already mentioned 100Ah battery.l, I’ll assume you are going for a 12V system. So Why not proceed to get from Powmr (190k or so) from Dam5rey, Valto battery, Mrred battery etc. Then you can get yourself a pure sine wave sachet inverter around 40-60k depending on the power rating (I’m not sure about the price), which these guys also sell. Get a Charge controller (MPPT is best) like Felicity 30Amps around 70k or so. Then 3 units of 200watts [b]solar panels [/b]like Africell (120k). They are cheaper and will serve you better than your ecoflow.

In summary you will spend about #440k to 500k (additional expenses) for a 1280Wh system compared to this 700k Delta 2 of 1000Wh and 500Watts Jinko panel that will cost you around 900k with additionally expenses.

The difference between both is around 300k to 400k that you can use to go and get yourself a land somewhere in Ogun state. This is why most Enlightened guys just smile when you talk about solar generators.

Nah, I need a minimum of 3.6 kwh battery power. And since most people here don't recommend 12v systems, I don't want to go for that either. Thanks for the detailed response though.

Charley2020:
Nah, I need a minimum of 3.6 kwh battery power. And since most people here don't recommend 12v systems, I don't want to go for that either. Thanks for the detailed response though.

It depends on your load. The lower the voltage of your system the higher the amperage to provide power which requires thicker cables. A load for a 12V system will require THICKER cables to handle HIGHER amps whereas the same load for 48V would require thinner cables.

For example, lets say you have a load of 1,000W. Your 12V system would need to have cables that can carry 83AMPS whereas a 48V system would need cables supporting just 21AMPS. So as the load gets bigger it becomes unfeasible to use 12V systems because of the sheer cost of components such as wiring, fuses and circuit breakers.

This is why most manufacturers build 12V systems limited to 1KVA or 1.5KVA while 24V systems go up to around 3KVA and 48V starts from 3.5KVA upwards.

If you are running small, light loads of well under 1,000W, 12V is perfectly fine. 12V systems are good for targeted limited applications - CCTV or lighting or running a small office or flat.

As for battery backup if you are looking at anything above 2.5KW then go for a higher voltage setup.

Charley2020:
Nah, I need a minimum of 3.6 kwh battery power. And since most people here don't recommend 12v systems, I don't want to go for that either. Thanks for the detailed response though.

The question is : what is your max load?
The way 12v is degraded makes it look as if it can only power a fan. The poster above is right though as per comparing 48v to 12v. But that angle of thicker cable is too too exaggerating as if you will keep buying thicker cables everyday. Thicker cable is only needed from inverter to cc to battery-- not up to 1metre. Some persons here don't need large amount of energy generated daily and their batteries hardy go below 70% for months especially during dry season. Some even run loads below 600w but are on a 48v system. Check out the following:

Blender: 500w ( few minutes)
2 32" TVs 70w
Washing machine : 300w (few minutes)
Freezer 115w
3 Fans
Iron 300w
Bulbs 30w
Etc

Will you turn on all the above on a 12v system? NO. But major loads like tv, lightings,fans, iron or washing machine will run smoothly without issues. Is it affordable? Cost effective.

Most of us leave appliances on when not in use. These ones struggle abroad to manage loads as energy don't come cheap over there.

Some have not even try out a 12v personally but made conclusions based on YouTube videos and those who waste energy.

Your tank will run dry if a leaked tap is not fixed urgently. View energy as a water tank.

Will you turn on all the above on a 48v system? YES YES YES with all loads turned on including bigger loads not mentioned. Not cost effective and almost 4times the cost of 12v. Note, there are 96v systems.

Note: If your budget is fit for 48v or higher enjoy your investment.

Lastly for emphasis, the type of continuous load you want to run without load shedding determines the type system you will install. But be aware that 80% of our daily needs will run smoothly on a 12v system.

N.B: I run a 0.5hp sumo via a 12v 3kva Satchet inveter everyday for 4 to 6mins. All my loads are off grid.

Na who get sense dey use solar.

dollarnaira:
The question is : what is your max load?
The way 12v is degraded makes it look as if it can only power a fan. The poster above is right though as per comparing 48v to 12v. But that angle of thicker cable is too too exaggerating as if you will keep buying thicker cables everyday. Thicker cable is only needed from inverter to cc to battery-- not up to 1metre. Some persons here don't need large amount of energy generated daily and their batteries hardy go below 70% for months especially during dry season. Some even run loads below 600w but are on a 48v system. Check out the following:

Blender: 500w ( few minutes)
2 32" TVs 70w
Washing machine : 300w (few minutes)
Freezer 115w
3 Fans
Iron 300w
Bulbs 30w
Etc

Will you turn on all the above on a 12v system? NO. But major loads like tv, lightings,fans, iron or washing machine will run smoothly without issues. Is it affordable? Cost effective.

Most of us leave appliances on when not in use. These ones struggle abroad to manage loads as energy don't come cheap over there.

Some have not even try out a 12v personally but made conclusions based on YouTube videos and those who waste energy.

Your tank will run dry if a leaked tap is not fixed urgently. View energy as a water tank.

Will you turn on all the above on a 48v system? YES YES YES with all loads turned on including bigger loads not mentioned. Not cost effective and almost 4times the cost of 12v. Note, there are 96v systems.

Note: If your budget is fit for 48v or higher enjoy your investment.

Lastly for emphasis, the type of continuous load you want to run without load shedding determines the type system you will install. But be aware that 80% of our daily needs will run smoothly on a 12v system.

N.B: I run a 0.5hp sumo via a 12v 3kva Satchet inveter everyday for 4 to 6mins. All my loads are off grid.

Na who get sense dey use solar.

Manufacturers limit 12V inverters to around 2KVA or 1600W which in DC terms requires cables that can carry 133A. That requires a 35MM DC cable. 150A or 1800W requires a 50MM cable for runs of 1M.. 1600W max load is not a lot. A fridge can easily require 1200W just to start and if you combine that with a TV (120W), Decoder (30W), Fan (75W), lighting (100W) its cutting it close. You definitely cannot run a fridge and freezer together.

Its why with 12V systems you have to carefully calculate your load profile and manage your setup because they DRASTICALLY LIMIT the load you can put on them. Its also the reason why manufacturers came up with the solar generator form factor because 12V works best as a plug-in to devices with a well-defined power profile.

abuzz33:
It depends on your load. The lower the voltage of your system the higher the amperage to provide power which requires thicker cables. A load for a 12V system will require THICKER cables to handle HIGHER amps whereas the same load for 48V would require thinner cables.

For example, lets say you have a load of 1,000W. Your 12V system would need to have cables that can carry 83AMPS whereas a 48V system would need cables supporting just 21AMPS. So as the load gets bigger it becomes unfeasible to use 12V systems because of the sheer cost of components such as wiring, fuses and circuit breakers.

This is why most manufacturers build 12V systems limited to 1KVA or 1.5KVA while 24V systems go up to around 3KVA and 48V starts from 3.5KVA upwards.

If you are running small, light loads of well under 1,000W, 12V is perfectly fine. 12V systems are good for targeted limited applications - CCTV or lighting or running a small office or flat.

As for battery backup if you are looking at anything above 2.5KW then go for a higher voltage setup.

That was enlightening. This is why I read this thread everyday. Thanks a lot.