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israelmao:
If Lere's historical account was really true why should somebody vaccate a higher position for lower position?

In Nigeria which is higher Senator or governor?


Is Olubadan higher than governor of Oyo State?


There is no logic to that argument

chopnaira:
Oyo never controlled ife Ilesha ekiti, ijebu and ondo.

Only ibadan was able to achieve that feat after the fall of Oyo empire. Even at that, the ibadan still could not control the Ijebus..

Nor Ilaje

It is even difficult for any Army that are not masters of high Sea Warfare to control Ilaje.
They will end up as fish food

chopnaira:
Can you explain why the Alaafin slept outside in honour of a chief priest in 1903?

Which book is this, please?

Christistruth03:
After the Ogendengbe led Ekitiparapo Army invasion of the Benin Kingdom in the 1870s
Edo people who descended from Ogendengbe's soldiers even bear the unique Ijesha name of Ogendengbe as their surname

Yes.
Aside the Ijeshas, the Ibadan, Ilorin and nupe also invaded.
See below.

You too bad, see how u take scatter everything

Amotolongbo:
Further questions.
1. Are we talking about Alaafin of Oyo or Alaafin of Aago Oja?

2. We know the Yoruba ancient monuments like Ile Oduduwa, Opa Oranmiyan, Odi Moremi etc in Ife, what are the ancient Yoruba monuments we can point to in Oyo town (Aago Oja)?.

Sunday Igboho said in his own Panegyric, “Alaafin o l’ade, Ade babaami ni won gba fun n”.

Christistruth03:
Nor Ilaje

It is even difficult for any Army that are not masters of high Sea Warfare to control Ilaje.
They will end up as fish food

The Ilajes (Mahins) are the lords of the sea and ocean. They even drowned a Benin king. Oba Orhogbua of the Benin Kingdom, who reigned around the mid-16th century, is said to have been killed in a battle against the Ilaje-Mahin forces led by Oba Alagwe of the Mahin Kingdom.

I hope you people realise that Ile-Ife is a part of Oyo state until 1991, when Babangida created new states….

Morenikeji090:
I understand where you coming from... But it won't been seen that way... History make us known that alaafin of oyo throne is higher than oba of benin throne.. if u make research yourself my typing in Google first class obas in yourba land you will see it Yoruba..

Probably you goggled first class Obas in Yorubaland and not how traditional rulers are placed in Nigeria. For instance when Prince Charles, now king of England visited Nigeria, Aalafin couldn’t even make it to see him and take photographs of first class kings in Nigeria with him.

The reasons i don’t know because I thought he suppose to be there but right now the protocol says that Oba of Benin kingdom is regarded above Aalafin.

Check this picture below to see what I am saying.


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGdUWY_cRwFKRMLpkz0n9RaSz9Q7bcc_LF6A&usqp=CAU

Delacroix6:
I hope you people realise that Ile-Ife is a part of Oyo state until 1991, when Babangida created new states….

Those are state creation by military governments. It has nothing to do with historical events and origins.

Katsina State was carved out of the old Kaduna State in September 1989. Even though Daura in Katsina is considered the oldest and holds a special place in Hausa legend as the birthplace of the Hausa states.

chopnaira:
See below.

You must be from Osun.

My dad gave me that book to help me kill boredom.

Hardeybohwarley:
You must be from Osun.

My dad gave me that book to help me kill boredom.

No. I am from Lagos. I only went to university in Osun state (OAU).

Na this brain you dey use raise your child ..... Ooni not a king abi then where did all Yoruba kings got there crown from .... Moreover, Alaafin is me er a king, it was Olufon that crown all Oloyo. Ladelade o lade, ade aladikun lagba fun Alaafin

Jonathan:
No carry this kain brain cross road o
See as person analyse with complete ignorance and with confidence.
You know nothing.

Yoruba system of government is very rich, organised and complex.

Ife is like a save house. Ooni is never a king. There are other kings in Ife and osun but Ooni himself is not a king but like a chief priest and a subject to Alaafin.

Olofin Adimula was later changed to Ooni and ife still call ooni as Olofin Adimula. Even your Alaafin was called Oloyo from outset, it was Atiba that changed it to Alaafin after Ogbomosho gave him that small land to occupy because Oyo ile was ransacked by the Fulanis

ultraviolet27:
Old kings of ife weren't titled ooni the title was olofin even as oduduwa was the first olofin he met people like obatala and esu odara in ife the two later turned to gods revered and worshiped by the yorubas

The first ooni was a the olofin(king's)chief priest who usurped the throne in the absence of one ife king who made him an overseer till he returns from a war at that time henceforth the ife kings title changed to ooni since it is only the ooni's lineage and descendants later became ife kings thereafter.

so how will the ooni be greater than alaafin when he isn't even from oduduwa's lineage?this excerpt is from the many odu ifas as ifa doesn't lie,also learnt the ooni chief priest who ursurped the throne killed off the remaining princes of the true kings lineage.

chopnaira:
No. I am from Lagos. I only went to university in Osun state (OAU).

How then did you get a hold of that book, because it's about history of Osun. Anyway gbayii

Delacroix6:
I hope you people realise that Ile-Ife is a part of Oyo state until 1991, when Babangida created new states….

What is the relevance of that?

chopnaira:
The Ilajes (Mahins) are the lords of the sea and ocean. They even drowned a Benin king. Oba Orhogbua of the Benin Kingdom, who reigned around the mid-16th century, is said to have been killed in a battle against the Ilaje-Mahin forces led by Oba Alagwe of the Mahin Kingdom.

You are very correct
The Ilaje (Mahin) drowned Oba Ehengbuda of Benin and his War entourage around Lekki in Lagos.
All Obas of Benin gave up going to Warfront after that incident.
Orhogbua was Ehengbuda's Father

tyinfinity:
Atiba was the first baale of ago oja

I am not really conversant with this history of how Atiba is the first baale of ago oja( which I think is the present Oyo) but you see there is a family house called Atiba in ile-ife and they have marks like that of Oyo even though original ife indigenes doesn’t have.

Can you pls expatiate more on this?

Ewedu Logic.

Alafin went to Ife to conquer and subjugate the Ife "throne" which was nothing other than a wooden stool. The Oyo people are the bonafide "Yoruba" tribe, every other tribe in South West are serfs to the Yoruba (Oyo) including the Ife wooden stool.

Meanwhile Ile Ife used to be owned by Igbo people before Moremi happened to them, so how can such a secondary stool be paramount in South West?

Ewedu Logic.

Hardeybohwarley:
How then did you get a hold of that book, because it's about history of Osun. Anyway gbayii

I read alot. The below messages I sent to someone to help me buy some books for my library from OAU bookshop.

Amotolongbo:
Hope you aren’t using this brain to eat?

Which system?
The one that ended in Oyo Ile or the one that went to Ogbomoso to request for a space to settle?

The position being referred here is the stool of Oduduwa our agreed progenitor, the person occupying it must be respected and given the same respect our progenitor deserves.

No
Oja was the first Baale of Ago Oja
He invited Atiba to the Town

Malawian:
Ewedu Logic.

Alafin went to Ife to conquer and subjugate the Ife "throne" which was nothing other than a wooden stool. The Oyo people are the bonafide "Yoruba" tribe, every other tribe in South West are serfs to the Yoruba (Oyo) including the Ife wooden stool.

Meanwhile Ile Ife used to be owned by Igbo people before Moremi happened to them, so how can such a secondary stool be paramount in South West?

Ewedu Logic.

No wonder Buhari started building 15 psychiatry hospitals in the SE. 3 per state

Exousiang01:
The office of the Ooni is that of a chief priest the Ooni is not a king, the OOni is never superior. You are saying the opposite.

THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE MATTER !!!

I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE ARGUMENT RESTS ON THIS POINT.

IFE REMAIN THE CRADLE OF THE YORUBA. OYO MONARCHY REMAIN THE TOP MOST AMONGST THE FIRST CLASS.

CHIKENA.

Morenikeji090:
Oba of Benin is 3rd position coz Benin throne belong to Yoruba… oni of Ile ife the 1st oduduwa direct throne and Alaafin of oyo. 2nd oduduwa son are superior to him…

Benin is supposed to be ahead of Oyo because it was founded long before Oyo by Ife Prince Obagodo who was also the first Ogiso

Godjone:
Which of the Oranminyan The one that settled in Benin and impregnated a Benin woman to give birth to what we have in the present day as bini kingdom

Yes, same oranmiyan. He later went to Bini where he introduced Obaship and he became the first Oba of Bini.

He impregnated a woman and he had a son Eweka. And when he was about to leave Bini back to Ile Ife, he enthroned his son, Eweka as the 2nd Oba of Bini.

Therefore, the birth of Eweka (father from Ile Ife and mother from Bini) is the strong connection between Yoruba and Bini people today and history cannot be reversed.

Ife was unstable due to several forces at play. Oranmiyan the powerful warrior king left his most powerful offspring in Oyo to stabilize the house of commotion at Ife as leader. He was not Ooni, he was Olofin. His presence brought stability and he had no concern about the might of his house at Oyo.

Fathers can leave a throne completely in the hands of who they see as competent. The father of the current Ooni of Ife is alive.

About 150 years ago when Ooni of Ife and the people of Ife were chased out of Ife by Modakekes, Oranmiyan's offspring at Oyo got the Bashorun, now at Ibadan, to ensure the return of Ife people after almost 13 years in the nearby bushes.

They are still connected, Oranmiyan's most powerful offsprings from the days of his youth are the Oyos.

aribisala0:
In Nigeria which is higher Senator or governor?


Is Olubadan higher than governor of Oyo State?


There is no logic to that argument

Talking about traditional stool and not political position there is so much to it.

delpee:
The Alaafin was the political head by virtue of an empire but the Oyo of the old Oyo empire no longer exists. That empire fell and most parts of Yorubaland today never paid tributes to the Alaafin or they freed themselves after a while. E.g. the Egbas, Ijebus and Ekiti/Ondo axis.

Ife has always been the orisun (origin) and spiritual headquarters of the Yorubas. Ooni is known as arole Oduduwa (the representative of Oduduwa. Ife has remained in the same location unlike Oyo. Oranmiyan who became Alaafin was a descendant of Oduduwa who is regarded as the ancestor of Yorubas.

If only the Alaafin can maintain peace with the Ooni as Alaafin Adeyemi did, there'll be greater peace and more progress in Yorubaland.

Ọ kare lae . Please tell them. Ife is called the cradle of yoruba for several reasons.

Sadly, this power tussle is a primordial one. It existed between oba ladigbolu, the former alaafin and oba olusoji aderemi, the former ooni down to the immediate past alaafin adeyemi and ooni okunade sijuade. Their predecessors also encountered same issue. I don't see this ending soon lol.

Amalekki:
Ife was unstable due to several forces at play. Oranmiyan the powerful warrior king left his most powerful offspring in Oyo to stabilize the house of commotion at Ife as leader. He was not Ooni, he was Olofin. His presence brought stability and he had no concern about the might of his house at Oyo.

Fathers can leave a throne completely in the hands of who they see as competent. The father of the current Ooni of Ife is alive..

Oranmiyan was an Ooni, Olofin, Adimula, Oba e.t.c

The title of Alaafin later was for a men like Sango who in those days were like Army General/ Leader of Warriors.

It’s like Ooni is president and Alaafin is Chief of Army.

Back then Alaafin was a strong man while Ooni was the throne of his grandfather.

Eriokanmi:
Ọ kare lae . Please tell them. Ife is called the cradle of yoruba for several reasons.

Sadly, this power tussle is a primordial one. It existed between oba ladigbolu, the former alaafin and oba olusoji aderemi, the former ooni down to the immediate past alaafin adeyemi and ooni okunade sijuade. Their predecessors also encountered same issue. I don't see this ending soon lol.

Oba Ladigbolu had no issue with the Oonis. Same as the previous Oba of Benin. All this tussle are recent invention that started with the creation of regions and states.
Ladigbolu is seated to the right of Aderemi while Oba Akenzua 1 2nd to the left of Aderemi.

Eriokanmi:
Ọ kare lae . Please tell them. Ife is called the cradle of yoruba for several reasons.

Sadly, this power tussle is a primordial one. It existed between oba ladigbolu, the former alaafin and oba olusoji aderemi, the former ooni down to the immediate past alaafin adeyemi and ooni okunade sijuade. Their predecessors also encountered same issue. I don't see this ending soon lol.

You are right This is a centuries or maybe millennial tussle between those 2 thrones but fact is fact. You have more money /than your father at his old age doesn’t mean you should disrespect him.