₦airaland Forum

oz4real83:
the Oba of Benin is the father of them all. Izoduwa that was corrupted to Oduduwa was a Benin Prince who migrated to Oyo after being banished from the Benin empire. It was he that became the first Alaafin of oyo and gave birth to the first Ooni of ife and his last born also became the Oba of Benin. The yorubas will never agree that Oduduwa came from Benin. They would rather tell you either fell he from the sky or he came from Egypt using Air peace, uber cab or tesla🤣🤣🤣

israelmao:
Talking about traditional stool and not political position there is so much to it.

ultraviolet27:
Old kings of ife weren't titled ooni the title was olofin even as oduduwa was the first olofin he met people like obatala and esu odara in ife the two later turned to gods revered and worshiped by the yorubas

The first ooni was a the olofin(king's)chief priest who usurped the throne in the absence of one ife king who made him an overseer till he returns from a war at that time henceforth the ife kings title changed to ooni since it is only the ooni's lineage and descendants later became ife kings thereafter.

so how will the ooni be greater than alaafin when he isn't even from oduduwa's lineage?this excerpt is from the many odu ifas as ifa doesn't lie,also learnt the ooni chief priest who ursurped the throne killed off the remaining princes of the true kings lineage.

chopnaira:
Oranmiyan was an Ooni, Olofin, Adimula, Oba e.t.c

mfm04622:
At the time, the Ife throne has more prestige.
However, Oyo grew to be an Empire while Ife remained a kingdom, under the control and protection of Oyo!
When Oyo was an empire, all Yoruba land was under her control and protection. Ife was recognized as the throne of Oduduwa, but Oyo later grew to be more important and more influential

chopnaira:
I read alot. The below messages I sent to someone to help me buy some books for my library from OAU bookshop.

ultraviolet27:
Old kings of ife weren't titled ooni the title was olofin even as oduduwa was the first olofin he met people like obatala and esu odara in ife the two later turned to gods revered and worshiped by the yorubas

The first ooni was a the olofin(king's)chief priest who usurped the throne in the absence of one ife king who made him an overseer till he returns from a war at that time henceforth the ife kings title changed to ooni since it is only the ooni's lineage and descendants later became ife kings thereafter.

so how will the ooni be greater than alaafin when he isn't even from oduduwa's lineage?this excerpt is from the many odu ifas as ifa doesn't lie,also learnt the ooni chief priest who ursurped the throne killed off the remaining princes of the true kings lineage.

chopnaira:
Oba Ladigbolu had no issue with the Oonis. Same as the previous Oba of Benin. All this tussle are recent invention that started with the creation of regions and states.
Ladigbolu is seated to the right of Aderemi while Oba Akenzua 1 2nd to the left of Aderemi.

aribisala0:
What is stool

Can you make sense please

The Alaafin was an Emperor at the time in reference
Ooni was a King
They arevboth kings
There is nothing likecstool in Yoruba tradition
You can come up with something more logical and sensible

So it is sensible to vaccate his position to fill the a royal position?Tell me what would make someone that's filling a first class position to desire a second class position?

Words like traditional and stool are colonial words from a colonised mind with inferiority complex

A white monarch has a throne but a black king is traditional on a stool

You don't even have self awareness

Amalekki:
They know all these but they need to join things together to cover up the loopholes.

Oranmiyan was not an Ooni. He lead as Olofin. His most powerful offsprings were ruling at Oyo, they did not return to Ife. Oranmiyan never stay in one place but old age will always catch up.

For their story to tally, they must legitimize the chief priests called Ooni who diluted the leadership & succeeded despite Oranmiyan's initial interruption.

Other descendants of Olofin like Orangun of Ila and the rest were too docile and left all the battles to Oranmiyan.

Eriokanmi:
You're talking of seating arrangements here but we're talking of the power tussle. I remember a day late gbegi ojora's grandma was celebrating her birthday at the Premier Hotel in Ibadan in the 90s. I was there as a young boy. Chief adekunle ojora invited both alaafin and ooni. Alaafin first came and was offered a seat. Later, the ooni's very long white limo and convoy came and everywhere was agog. Other kings stood up, except alaafin. Ooni didn't bother greeting him as he went straight to his seat and the party began in earnest.

During oba ladigbolu and oba adesoji aderemi's days, it was same issue. Both lobbied for top positions during the colonial days but oba aderemi got the topmost one. So, they can still sit together while the power tussle exists they're 2 different things.

I was a small boy when oba adesoji aderemi died.

ultraviolet27:
Old kings of ife weren't titled ooni the title was olofin even as oduduwa was the first olofin he met people like obatala and esu odara in ife the two later turned to gods revered and worshiped by the yorubas

The first ooni was a the olofin(king's)chief priest who usurped the throne in the absence of one ife king who made him an overseer till he returns from a war at that time henceforth the ife kings title changed to ooni since it is only the ooni's lineage and descendants later became ife kings thereafter.

so how will the ooni be greater than alaafin when he isn't even from oduduwa's lineage?this excerpt is from the many odu ifas as ifa doesn't lie,also learnt the ooni chief priest who ursurped the throne killed off the remaining princes of the true kings lineage.

ultraviolet27:
Old kings of ife weren't titled ooni the title was olofin even as oduduwa was the first olofin he met people like obatala and esu odara in ife the two later turned to gods revered and worshiped by the yorubas

The first ooni was a the olofin(king's)chief priest who usurped the throne in the absence of one ife king who made him an overseer till he returns from a war at that time henceforth the ife kings title changed to ooni since it is only the ooni's lineage and descendants later became ife kings thereafter.

so how will the ooni be greater than alaafin when he isn't even from oduduwa's lineage?this excerpt is from the many odu ifas as ifa doesn't lie,also learnt the ooni chief priest who ursurped the throne killed off the remaining princes of the true kings lineage.

aribisala0:
Titled ? What does that mean?
I am not expressing an opinion on who is greater but the quality of your logic and thinking

Anyone can be greater than another based on current reality not lineage
Not all kings are from Oduduwa e.g Ijebus are not

President Trump is greater than the King of England or Prime Minister of Britain
The USA used to be a colony of Britain

Last week he summoned all the important European leaders to his office


He is the CURRENT CHAMPION
Britain is the FORMER CHAMPION
Today Olubadan is greater than Alaafin
Today the Elegushi is more relevant than Alaafin
The Oba of Lagos is more relevant
No one in Lagos State even thinks about Alaafin
If Alaafin vex with anyone outside Oyo what can he do even in Ibadan is he relevant

Alaafin is a FORMER CHAMPION

Usurping is the nature of monarchy
God did not appoint anyone king
Yes Oduduwa came from God knows where. All of that is history
THE TRUTH
OYO EMPIRE DIED a long time ago
OONI has spiritual relevance maybe like the Pope but has no political authority over anyone
All kingdoms are equal Ijebu,Egba Lagos,Egba, Ekiti Ondo

FaloNairaman:
The Benin people believe that Oduduwa, called Prince Ekaladerhan, was the only son of the exiled King Ogiso Owodo. They believe that Ekaladerhan (or Oduduwa) exiled himself from Benin even before his father, King Ogiso Owodo was banished from Benin. Ekaladerhan or Oduduwa went to and founded Ile-Ife where he became King. After King Ogiso Owodo was deposed and banished, the Benin people went in search of the only son of the King, Prince Ekaladerhan (Oduduwa) with the aim of persuading him to return to Benin to succeed his banished father.

Instead, Ekaladerhan (Oduduwa) sent his son, Prince Oranmiyan, to Benin. But there was an administrator named Ogiamien, appointed by the people of Benin to administer Benin during that period of interregnum. Like what the late Gen. Sani Abacha did during Ernest Shonekan’s interim government, Ogiamien was nursing his own ambition – to create his own dynasty. He appointed his son to succeed him. Even though he was resisted by Benin people, Ogiamien and other warlords who contested the throne troubled Oranmiyan and made his stay uncomfortable so much that Oranmiyan decided to return to Ile-Ife, describing Benin as Ile-Ibinu (the land of vexation).

The Benin account has it that Oranmiyan reigned as Benin King from AD 1,170, although his palace was at Usama, an outskirt of the city, due to the crisis. When he eventually left, he left behind his Benin queen, Erinmwinde who gave birth to a son, who later became Oba Eweka the First in the year AD 1,200. Historians regard the beginning of the reign of Oranmiyan as the beginning of the second dynasty of kings in Benin kingdom.

One implication of the Benin line of history is that Oduduwa, whom the Yoruba claim as their father, did not fall down from heaven after all as they claim. Nobody has ever fallen down from heaven. Even Jesus who is believed to have come from heaven had to be born into the world by a woman.

Yoruba people believe that Oduduwa who fell down from heaven had a son who went on a military campaign and founded the Benin Kingdom. But from the Benin perspective, we know that before the return of Oranmiyan to Benin, the Ogiso dynasty in Benin, which saw the reign of 31 kings, had already come to pass. Of these two conflicting historical accounts of the Benin and Yoruba Kingdoms, the Benin version appears to be more tenable. Between AD 1440 and 1606, was the era of warrior kings. This corresponded to the period of Oba Ewuare the Great and Oba Ehengbuda.

Apart from the brief reigns of Oba Ezoti and Oba Olua, the rest of the kings that fell within this period were all warrior kings who led their military forces to battle. These fierce warrior kings went on military campaigns, conquering other peoples and expanding Benin’s territories and influences which resulted in empire-building.

The Benin’s capacity to successfully overrun other people’s lands has been attributed to their trade with Europeans at Ughoton, the Benin port, which bequeathed them with guns and ammunition. The Benin Empire at its zenith was said to have extended to River Niger in the east and south, into Yoruba lands (Oyo) and what came to be known as Dahomey.

Goodvibes007:
Love your submission.

Oyo Ile which was an empire for just 2 centuries was sacked by Fulani Mohammedans after they took Ilorin.

A lot of oyo people fled and lots became refugees. E.g the Modakekes.

aribisala0:
Thanks

it was not sacked by Fulani Mohammedans

That is incorrect

Osariemen12:
Yorubas should be thankful to us for birthing Prince Izoduwa (though banished from our Bini kingdom). His banishment led to the founding of Ile Ife because he settled there. It is his name Izoduwa that most Yorubas corrupt to Oduduwa which has no meaning in Yoruba language as of today.

It is high time young people in the southwestern part of Nigeria were taught the real history and origin of their founding fathers instead of the cock and bull story of someone falling from the sky. It is shameful.

In all, all the kings in Yoruba land are subjects of the Oba of Bini. I urge His Royal Majesty Oba Ewuare the 2nd, the great son of Oba Akporokporo of Bini Kingdom, to weigh into the tussle between his two subjects and settle whatever the case may be as a father.

Oba gha tokpe'ere!

delpee:
The Alaafin was the political head by virtue of an empire but the Oyo of the old Oyo empire no longer exists. That empire fell and most parts of Yorubaland today never paid tributes to the Alaafin or they freed themselves after a while. E.g. the Egbas, Ijebus and Ekiti/Ondo axis.

Ife has always been the orisun (origin) and spiritual headquarters of the Yorubas. Ooni is known as arole Oduduwa (the representative of Oduduwa. Ife has remained in the same location unlike Oyo. Oranmiyan who became Alaafin was a descendant of Oduduwa who is regarded as the ancestor of Yorubas.

If only the Alaafin can maintain peace with the Ooni as Alaafin Adeyemi did, there'll be greater peace and more progress in Yorubaland.

Adexxi:
Na this brain you dey use raise your child ..... Ooni not a king abi then where did all Yoruba kings got there crown from .... Moreover, Alaafin is me er a king, it was Olufon that crown all Oloyo. Ladelade o lade, ade aladikun lagba fun Alaafin

chopnaira:
No. I am from Lagos. I only went to university in Osun state (OAU).

oluwafon:
THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE MATTER !!!

I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE ARGUMENT RESTS ON THIS POINT.

IFE REMAIN THE CRADLE OF THE YORUBA[b]. OYO MONARCHY REMAIN THE TOP MOST AMONGST THE FIRST CLASS.[/b]

CHIKENA.

Amalekki:
Ife was unstable due to several forces at play. Oranmiyan the powerful warrior king left his most powerful offspring in Oyo to stabilize the house of commotion at Ife as leader. He was not Ooni, he was Olofin. His presence brought stability and he had no concern about the might of his house at Oyo.

Fathers can leave a throne completely in the hands of who they see as competent. The father of the current Ooni of Ife is alive.

About 150 years ago when Ooni of Ife and the people of Ife were chased out of Ife by Modakekes, Oranmiyan's offspring at Oyo got the Bashorun, now at Ibadan, to ensure the return of Ife people after almost 13 years in the nearby bushes.

They are still connected, Oranmiyan's most powerful offsprings from the days of his youth are the Oyos.

chopnaira:
Can you explain why the Alaafin slept outside in honour of a chief priest in 1903?

chopnaira:
NATIVE CROWNS.
African Affairs, Volume 2, Issue VII.
Published in April 1903.

Adexxi:
Olofin Adimula was later changed to Ooni and ife still call ooni as Olofin Adimula. Even your Alaafin was called Oloyo from outset, it was Atiba that changed it to Alaafin after Ogbomosho gave him that small land to occupy because Oyo ile was ransacked by the Fulanis

Godjone:
Which of the Oranminyan The one that settled in Benin and impregnated a Benin woman to give birth to what we have in the present day as bini kingdom

Kindledlight:
Not again!

Who told you this blatant lies abi is it from your imagination being an Oyo abi modakeke indigene.

I’m tired replying you and your Oyo folks

How dare modekeke that was accommodated after being displaced by fulanis and became wanderers in the forest. Was there fight between ife and modakeke? YES, when they wanted to over step their boundaries. But they never, never chase ife out.

What even happened is that their brothers in Oyo help them to fight ife in latest fights between the two that is when even Sunday Igboho also fought Ile-ife and believe you me no one not even all you Oyos can overcome ile-ife. Even Sunday Igboho and rest of them that supported Modakeke have come to begged and seek forgiveness.