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aribisala0:
Titled ? What does that mean?
I am not expressing an opinion on who is greater but the quality of your logic and thinking

Anyone can be greater than another based on current reality not lineage
Not all kings are from Oduduwa e.g Ijebus are not

President Trump is greater than the King of England or Prime Minister of Britain
The USA used to be a colony of Britain

Last week he summoned all the important European leaders to his office


He is the CURRENT CHAMPION
Britain is the FORMER CHAMPION
Today Olubadan is greater than Alaafin
Today the Elegushi is more relevant than Alaafin
The Oba of Lagos is more relevant
No one in Lagos State even thinks about Alaafin
If Alaafin vex with anyone outside Oyo what can he do even in Ibadan is he relevant

Alaafin is a FORMER CHAMPION

Usurping is the nature of monarchy
God did not appoint anyone king
Yes Oduduwa came from God knows where. All of that is history
THE TRUTH
OYO EMPIRE DIED a long time ago
OONI has spiritual relevance maybe like the Pope but has no political authority over anyone
All kingdoms are equal Ijebu,Egba Lagos,Egba, Ekiti Ondo

Old ife kings weren't adressed as ooni rather it was olofin and oduduwa was the first olofin in ife(olofin akoko)that's what odi meji an odu ifa implied
I am not even from Oyo or just reiterating what I saw in odu ifa

zero8zero:
You have not backed it up with the century the priest took over as king. From observation, the throne returned to the lineage of Oduduwa, if anything, Oranmiyan return automatically returned it back to Oduduwa's lineage. Is there any successor after Oranmiyan that was not from the lineage?. I'm just observing and reading comments.

I didn't know of the century as the odu didn't state the date

TimeManager:
Lere Olayinka, Reno Omokri, na God's gift, don't hate these men, hate the gift.



Back to his questions,

ME: looking for answers..

-Kiss the truth!

Yoruba leaders are always wrestling in the mud like pigs. Just imagine how these ones are behaving like typical agberos.

quickly:
The title of Alaafin later was for a men like Sango who in those days were like Army General/ Leader of Warriors.

It’s like Ooni is president and Alaafin is Chief of Army.

Back then Alaafin was a strong man while Ooni was the throne of his grandfather.

I quite love your analogy, that is the reason why he gives the tittle of Aare onaKakanfo, which is like the military general and Ooni don’t even question that due to the analogy you just used.

It’s quite exhausting why some folks can’t use their heads to understand simple logic issues.

Why would all of the real age-long warrior people of Oyo join when the tiny few Modakekes were already dealing with you with ease and utmost efficiency in those wars? The Oyos would rather protect you as their father Oranmiyan did and not allow a full blown war

Kindledlight:
Not again!

Who told you this blatant lies abi is it from your imagination being an Oyo abi modakeke indigene.

I’m tired replying you and your Oyo folks

How dare modekeke that was accommodated after being displaced by fulanis and became wanderers in the forest. Was there fight between ife and modakeke? YES, when they wanted to over step their boundaries. But they never, never chase ife out.

What even happened is that their brothers in Oyo help them to fight ife in latest fights between the two that is when even Sunday Igboho also fought Ile-ife and believe you me no one not even all you Oyos can overcome ile-ife. Even Sunday Igboho and rest of them that supported Modakeke have come to begged and seek forgiveness.

Amalekki:
Do your research and come back to correct yourself
You can get emotional but history is never about what soothes your ego and it is not about logic. It's about events and yes, Ooni and Ifes were chased out of Ife in 1881.

I am not emotional perhaps you are the one emotional here.

I repeat it ile-ife was never chased out by modakeke. God forbid!

You know third parties know the truth even when the battered lie to themselves to boost their. Tiny Modakeke whopping your asses is a fact of history than people hate to rub in out empathy. I will help you drop this topic so you won't get bruised

Kindledlight:
Dealing with who?
With all the support they got from home and abroad where did it end?

Where them they today?

Na this same thing make you go write that rubbish you wrote Abi?

ultraviolet27:
Old ife kings weren't adressed as ooni rather it was olofin and oduduwa was the first olofin in ife(olofin akoko)that's what odi meji an odu ifa implied
I am not even from Oyo or just reiterating what I saw in odu ifa

Some things are irrelevant
Whether Old Ife kings were called Ooni or not is not relevant and you simply have no way of knowing that because you were not there

That is just a diversionary argument

Lagos was not always called Lagos so what?

Throwing in random unverifiable claims does not advance the argument
Claiming odu ifa is another unnecessary diversionary device
Are you a babalawo? Let us not get into all of that

The issues are simple
Today there is no basis for anyone to claim he is paramount king in Yoruba land .
There is nothing like Yorubaland. We can maybe talk of Yoruba land but not Yorubaland. So I agree that Ooni should not make such titles but NO ONE SHOULD. NOT OONI NOT ALAAFIN

Ooni of Ife is just like maybe the Pope

Elegushi and Oba of Lagos are more relevant than. Alaafin

Kindledlight:
I am not emotional perhaps you are the one emotional here.

I repeat it ile-ife was never chased out by modakeke. God forbid!

God cannot forbid what already happened as a fact of history. Just one book citation on it will get you running out of this thread but I still need you here to read more.

aribisala0:
Some things are irrelevant
Whether Old Ife kings were called Ooni or not is not relevant and you simply have no way of knowing that because you were not there

That is just a diversionary argument

Lagos was not always called Lagos so what?

Throwing in random unverifiable claims does not advance the argument
Claiming odu ifa is another unnecessary diversionary device
Are you a babalawo? Let us not get into all of that

The issues are simple
Today there is no basis for anyone to claim he is paramount king in Yoruba land .
There is nothing like Yorubaland. We can maybe talk of Yoruba land but not Yorubaland. So I agree that Ooni should not make such titles but NO ONE SHOULD. NOT OONI NOT ALAAFIN

Ooni of Ife is just like maybe the Pope

Elegushi and Oba of Lagos are more relevant than. Alaafin

It matters because Oonis are priests not kings so the descendants of the real Olofins do not recognise them hence the issue being discussed here today and for several decades. They can lead the remnants at Ife and that's about it.

oz4real83:
the Oba of Benin is the father of them all. Izoduwa that was corrupted to Oduduwa was a Benin Prince who migrated to Oyo after being banished from the Benin empire. It was he that became the first Alaafin of oyo and gave birth to the first Ooni of ife and his last born also became the Oba of Benin. The yorubas will never agree that Oduduwa came from Benin. They would rather tell you either fell he from the sky or he came from Egypt using Air peace, uber cab or tesla🤣🤣🤣

You guys really need to stop this izoduwa joke. It is silly and embarrassing. Nothing like that ever happened. Igodomigodo was founded by Ogisos who migrated from Ile Ife. Both Yoruba and Benin history agree that Ile Ife is the source of humanity.

Flowing from above, it’s very easy to see why the people of the old Igodomigodo sent emissaries to the Ooni to help sent his son to come and rule them when they had leadership problem. They simply went back to their source. Attached is an extract from British archive.

SadiqBabaSani:
Ooni is superior to the Alaafin,

Alaafin is a subject of the Ooni of Ife,

The product cannot elevate itself above the manufacturer

💯% Well stated

The Ooni is the ultimate crown jewel in Yoruba land

Hence Oonirisha is a priest and a king (Arole Odua) The ongoing supremacy battle with Alaafin (Army commander) is due to the misconceptions about the ancient powerful Oyo empire that provided security to all Yoruba towns. The arrangement then was similar to what we have now. The position of president as both the head of state and commander of the chief of army staff

Therefore, most Oba’s accept the Ooni of Ife as the highest traditional title in Yoruba land

Meanwhile, it is Ewedu people that will still fill it up.

chopnaira:
No wonder Buhari started building 15 psychiatry hospitals in the SE. 3 per state

Cubana Chief Priest no fit big pass Obi Cubana.

Bovis:
💯% Well stated

The Ooni is the ultimate crown jewel in Yoruba land

Hence the current Ooni is both an Orisha and a king (Arole Odua) The ongoing supremacy battle with Alaafin is due to the ancient powerful Oyo army (empire) that provided security to all Yoruba towns. The arrangement then was similar to what we have now. The president is the both the head of state and commander of the chief of army staff

Therefore, most Oba’s accept the Ooni of Ife as the highest traditional title in Yoruba land

chopnaira:
Oba Ladigbolu had no issue with the Oonis. Same as the previous Oba of Benin. All this tussle are recent invention that started with the creation of regions and states.
Ladigbolu is seated to the right of Aderemi while Oba Akenzua 1 2nd to the left of Aderemi.

Gov Makinde announced that Olubadan and Soun Ogbomosho were to rotate the Oyo State Chairmanship with Alaafin Oyo and the first place Alaafin headed to was the Same Sokoto Caliphate thar perished 3 of his forefathers at the Warfront and almost scattered the entire Oyo kingdom

Oyo Historians and elders need to help to familiarise Alaafin with his History properly so that such mistake wouldnothappenagain.

That was a very dangerous move

Does it occur to you that those so called "Ogiso" wey actually Igbo Nri priests?

seunmsg:
You guys really need to stop this izoduwa joke. It is silly and embarrassing. Nothing like that ever happened. Igodomigodo was founded by Ogisos who migrated from Ile Ife. Both Yoruba and Benin history agree that Ile Ife is the source of humanity.

Flowing from above, it’s very easy to see why the people of the old Igodomigodo sent emissaries to the Ooni to help sent his son to come and rule them when they had leadership problem. They simply went back to their source. Attached is fan extract from British archive.

Malawian:
Does it occur to you that those so called "Ogiso" wey actually Igbo Nri priests?

Can't you just go and research you own History?

Igbos didn't cross River Niger into the Benin Kingdom until the 15th Century under Oba Esigie and they were granted permission to stay on the west Bank of the Niger

It was the Igala who ferried you across the River Niger into the Benin Kingdom since you could not swim or canoe

Shikena:
It matters because Oonis are priests not kings so the descendants of the real Olofins do not recognise them hence the issue being discussed here today and for several decades. They can lead the remnants at Ife and that's about it.

You are mixing it up
What is your point
Mine is simple no king is senior to others
The Alaafin is trying to claim a position they lost a long time ago
Whatever the Oonis were or are is irrelevant
There is no paramount king of Yoruba land

The Alaafin used to be an Emperor. That empire is no more

Whether Oonis were Priests or not is arguable
Priest is not a Yoruba word so I don't know precisely what you mean

You say ARE PRIESTS in the present tense

So the current Ooni is not a king ? Is that your position?

Okay, meanwhile Bini people themselves might not even be Nigerians to begin with.

Christistruth03:
Can't you just go and research you own History?

Igbos didn't cross River Niger into the Benin Kingdom until the 15th Century under Oba Esigie and they were granted permission to stay on the west Bank of the Niger

It was the Igala who ferried you across the River Niger into the Benin Kingdom

seunmsg:
You guys really need to stop this izoduwa joke. It is silly and embarrassing. Nothing like that ever happened. Igodomigodo was founded by Ogisos who migrated from Ile Ife. Both Yoruba and Benin history agree that Ile Ife is the source of humanity.

Flowing from above, it’s very easy to see why the people of the old Igodomigodo sent emissaries to the Ooni to help sent his son to come and rule them when they had leadership problem. They simply went back to their source. Attached is fan extract from British archive.

Shattuck:
ijaw version my ass, so the ijaw is now the custodian of the Benin culture, are you saying the palace does not know it's ancestry, the Benin people does not know their ancestry anymore. Several records abound the Benin kingdom and it's history you can't bring strangers opinion and establish it as fact, my question still remains.

Obagodo of Ile Ife founded benin!!

Obagodo of Ile Ife was also the first Ogiso of benin!!


If Ooni of Ife turns up in benin and Claims the Throne and Kingdom of benin he too is also right


Ok, Let us look at the praise names of oba of benin

One of it is
Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).
(Odua of Ife is the same as oduduwa of Ife)

Another of oba of benin's praise names is

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila
oduduwa was also known as Olofin Adimula
Which was his Title

Notice there is no mention at all of any Ekhalerderhan of Igodomigodo or izoduwa a whole Crown Prince of benin that got lost and the renowned Accomplished benin Palace praise singers are not at all interested in his case
It can only be a lie

They did not mention and neither are they looking for the lost Ekhalerderhan .

izoduwa too is not happening anywhere in oba of benin's praise names but they called Oduduwa , the great Odua of Ife his Father

So with their own mouths they themselves have already given the evidence that fully demolished and destroyed their case which had no legs to stand on in the first place and have confirmed with your own Mouth that the oba of benin was indeed Oduduwa and not izoduwa's Son
There is nothing left to drag because it is settled

Most of the misunderstanding came from all Oba (s) trying to elevate themselves as par with the Queen or King of England.

Ooni is a unique title in Yoruba world. It was the Ooni that crowned Oba, the descendants or children of Ife that established themselves over their domains as they moved out of Ife and expanded.

Alafin was a Prince of Ife and Oduduwa that became a powerful General that came to the rescue of Ife and other Yoruba.

Until them Alafin himself was routed and driven out of Oyo by Fulani.

It was Ibadan that later played the role of Yoruba Protector like Alafin. Ibadan save Yoruba by stopping Fulani at Osogbo.

No English word can fully translate into Yoruba. Ooni crowned Oba (Kings). The title of king is below him.

oz4real83:
the Oba of Benin is the father of them all. Izoduwa that was corrupted to Oduduwa was a Benin Prince who migrated to Oyo after being banished from the Benin empire. It was he that became the first Alaafin of oyo and gave birth to the first Ooni of ife and his last born also became the Oba of Benin. The yorubas will never agree that Oduduwa came from Benin. They would rather tell you either fell he from the sky or he came from Egypt using Air peace, uber cab or tesla🤣🤣🤣

Izoduwa (Oduduwa) migrated from Benin to Ile-Ife. One of his descendants, Oranmiyan, was sent to Benin from Ile-Ife in stead of his father, Izoduwa who was supposed to be the successor to the last Ogiso.

Oranmiyan's administration in Benin was not long-lived before he migrated to establish the Oyo empire. He left behind his son, Owo mi ka (corrupted to Eweka) who later became the Oba of Benin.

Malawian:
Okay, meanwhile Bini people themselves might not even be Nigerians to begin with.

Nobody was Nigerian to start with not even you

It was the British who created Nigeria

All these Bini revisionism started after they met the Portuguese who gave them guns and as such, came out of the Igbo Yoke who used to rule Idu (Binin city).

Their attempt at revisionism is why their stories and that of Yoruba people does not tally.

Meanwhile, there is actually nobody in history known as Oduduwa. There is no archaeological evidence anybody known as Oduduwa ever existed.

All are just fables.

Christistruth03:
Obagodo of Ile Ife founded benin!!

Obagodo of Ile Ife was also the first Ogiso of benin!!


If Ooni of Ife turns up in benin and Claims the Throne and Kingdom of benin he too is also right


Ok, Let us look at the praise names of oba of benin

One of it is
Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).
(Odua of Ife is the same as oduduwa of Ife)

Another of oba of benin's praise names is

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila
oduduwa was also known as Olofin Adimula
Which was his Title

Notice there is no mention at all of any Ekhalerderhan of Igodomigodo or izoduwa a whole Crown Prince of benin that got lost and the renowned Accomplished benin Palace praise singers are not at all interested in his case
It can only be a lie

They did not mention and neither are they looking for the lost Ekhalerderhan .

izoduwa too is not happening anywhere in oba of benin's praise names but they called Oduduwa , the great Odua of Ife his Father

So with their own mouths they themselves have already given the evidence that fully demolished and destroyed their case which had no legs to stand on in the first place and have confirmed with your own Mouth that the oba of benin was indeed Oduduwa and not izoduwa's Son
There is nothing left to drag because it is settled

Brenbentondiaz:
Lolz. Sukudi talking about history. The irony.

Not only Sukudi, you don't like Sikordi?

Malawian:
Does it occur to you that those so called "Ogiso" wey actually Igbo Nri priests?

It is very possible because the Nri kings also migrated from Ile Ife. See, a lot of migration and cross migration happened but the central source historically was Ile Ife. Even the Obi of Onitsha attested to this in a video that went viral last year.

Stop smoking 🚬

oz4real83:
the Oba of Benin is the father of them all. Izoduwa that was corrupted to Oduduwa was a Benin Prince who migrated to Oyo after being banished from the Benin empire. It was he that became the first Alaafin of oyo and gave birth to the first Ooni of ife and his last born also became the Oba of Benin. The yorubas will never agree that Oduduwa came from Benin. They would rather tell you either fell he from the sky or he came from Egypt using Air peace, uber cab or tesla🤣🤣🤣

This settles thr argument.




Thank you everyone