₦airaland Forum

delpee:
The Alaafin was the political head by virtue of an empire but the Oyo of the old Oyo empire no longer exists. That empire fell and most parts of Yorubaland today never paid tributes to the Alaafin or they freed themselves after a while. E.g. the Egbas, Ijebus and Ekiti/Ondo axis.

Ife has always been the orisun (origin) and spiritual headquarters of the Yorubas. Ooni is known as arole Oduduwa (the representative of Oduduwa. Ife has remained in the same location unlike Oyo. Oranmiyan who became Alaafin was a descendant of Oduduwa who is regarded as the ancestor of Yorubas.

If only the Alaafin can maintain peace with the Ooni as Alaafin Adeyemi did, there'll be greater peace and more progress in Yorubaland.

delpee:
The Alaafin was the political head by virtue of an empire but the Oyo of the old Oyo empire no longer exists. That empire fell and most parts of Yorubaland today never paid tributes to the Alaafin or they freed themselves after a while. E.g. the Egbas, Ijebus and Ekiti/Ondo axis.

Ife has always been the orisun (origin) and spiritual headquarters of the Yorubas. Ooni is known as arole Oduduwa (the representative of Oduduwa. Ife has remained in the same location unlike Oyo. Oranmiyan who became Alaafin was a descendant of Oduduwa who is regarded as the ancestor of Yorubas.

If only the Alaafin can maintain peace with the Ooni as Alaafin Adeyemi did, there'll be greater peace and more progress in Yorubaland.

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oz4real83:
the Oba of Benin is the father of them all. Izoduwa that was corrupted to Oduduwa was a Benin Prince who migrated to Oyo after being banished from the Benin empire. It was he that became the first Alaafin of oyo and gave birth to the first Ooni of ife and his last born also became the Oba of Benin. The yorubas will never agree that Oduduwa came from Benin. They would rather tell you either fell he from the sky or he came from Egypt using Air peace, uber cab or tesla🤣🤣🤣

SadiqBabaSani:
Ooni is superior to the Alaafin,

Alaafin is a subject of the Ooni of Ife,

The product cannot elevate itself above the manufacturer

Amalekki:
They know all these but they need to join things together to cover up the loopholes.

Oranmiyan was not an Ooni. He lead as Olofin. His most powerful offsprings were ruling at Oyo, they did not return to Ife. Oranmiyan never stay in one place but old age will always catch up.

For their story to tally, they must legitimize the chief priests called Ooni who diluted the leadership & succeeded despite Oranmiyan's initial interruption.

Other descendants of Olofin like Orangun of Ila and the rest were too docile and left all the battles to Oranmiyan.

Iphupa:
Lere and reno
.. 2 men who are almost perfect at whatever they do. You just have to wonder how learned and informed they are

DanseMacabre:
So, where does the Oba of Benin rank in all this seniority talk

Jonathan:
Una go just open mouth waaaaaa without using sense...
Na you want rewrite history, abi?
No mind your Malo business you hear

googi:
Most of the misunderstanding came from all Oba (s) trying to elevate themselves as par with the Queen or King of England.

Ooni is a unique title in Yoruba world. It was the Ooni that crowned Oba, the descendants or children of Ife that established themselves over their domains as they moved out of Ife and expanded.

Alafin was a Prince of Ife and Oduduwa that became a powerful General that came to the rescue of Ife and other Yoruba.

Until them Alafin himself was routed and driven out of Oyo by Fulani.

It was Ibadan that later played the role of Yoruba Protector like Alafin. Ibadan save Yoruba by stopping Fulani at Osogbo.

No English word can fully translate into Yoruba. Ooni crowned Oba (Kings). The title of king is below him.

femi4:
Ooni is in a place of Jesus

Both Priest n King at the same time

Brenbentondiaz:
If Yorubas came from Bini, how come you find Bini people with Yoruba names, but Yorubas don't bear Bini names. Obinna, I know you may not understand this logic.

chopnaira:
See below.

Shikena:
Why would all of the real age-long warrior people of Oyo join when the tiny few Modakekes were already dealing with you with ease and utmost efficiency in those wars? The Oyos would rather protect you as their father Oranmiyan did and not allow a full blown war

chopnaira:
Oba Ladigbolu had no issue with the Oonis. Same as the previous Oba of Benin. All this tussle are recent invention that started with the creation of regions and states.
Ladigbolu is seated to the right of Aderemi while Oba Akenzua 1 2nd to the left of Aderemi.

LARRYOBRAIN:
Answer yourself from the attachment

Adexxi:
Olofin Adimula was later changed to Ooni and ife still call ooni as Olofin Adimula. Even your Alaafin was called Oloyo from outset, it was Atiba that changed it to Alaafin after Ogbomosho gave him that small land to occupy because Oyo ile was ransacked by the Fulanis

femi4:
We are talking about origin, you are showing me a typed document by government in 1938...smh

LARRYOBRAIN:
Is there ranking not based on history?

Exousiang01:
The office of the Ooni is that of a chief priest the Ooni is not a king, the OOni is never superior. You are saying the opposite.

femi4:
How can 1938 be the history

That was document put together based on politics.

Can you go back to 18th century before amalgamation

LARRYOBRAIN:
What about what took place in 17th century, as far as 1880 the colonials were dealing with Alaafin with anything concerning southwestern region.

SadiqBabaSani:
Ooni is superior to the Alaafin,

Alaafin is a subject of the Ooni of Ife,

The product cannot elevate itself above the manufacturer

aribisala0:
Titled ? What does that mean?
I am not expressing an opinion on who is greater but the quality of your logic and thinking

Anyone can be greater than another based on current reality not lineage
Not all kings are from Oduduwa e.g Ijebus are not

President Trump is greater than the King of England or Prime Minister of Britain
The USA used to be a colony of Britain

Last week he summoned all the important European leaders to his office


He is the CURRENT CHAMPION
Britain is the FORMER CHAMPION
Today Olubadan is greater than Alaafin
Today the Elegushi is more relevant than Alaafin
The Oba of Lagos is more relevant
No one in Lagos State even thinks about Alaafin
If Alaafin vex with anyone outside Oyo what can he do even in Ibadan is he relevant

Alaafin is a FORMER CHAMPION

Usurping is the nature of monarchy
God did not appoint anyone king
Yes Oduduwa came from God knows where. All of that is history
THE TRUTH
OYO EMPIRE DIED a long time ago
OONI has spiritual relevance maybe like the Pope but has no political authority over anyone
All kingdoms are equal Ijebu,Egba Lagos,Egba, Ekiti Ondo

Adexxi:
Olofin Adimula was later changed to Ooni and ife still call ooni as Olofin Adimula. Even your Alaafin was called Oloyo from outset, it was Atiba that changed it to Alaafin after Ogbomosho gave him that small land to occupy because Oyo ile was ransacked by the Fulanis

zero8zero:
You have not backed it up with the century the priest took over as king. From observation, the throne returned to the lineage of Oduduwa, if anything, Oranmiyan return automatically returned it back to Oduduwa's lineage. Is there any successor after Oranmiyan that was not from the lineage?. I'm just observing and reading comments.

Elliotwaveforec:
Bro, don't go there! Ifes are not known for wars; give it to the Oyos. The Ifes have always been protected by outsiders, including the Oyos; even the Ijebus once protected the Ifes against invaders.

Do you know how many times the Ijeshas overran Ife? Ifes are very few, hence they can't win any war even if it happens again with Modakekes, who are Oyos, the most populous Yoruba subgroups.

Ife can even be annexed by the Modakeks in future through support from the Oyos and Ibolos, whose dialects are the current Lingua Franca of the Yoruba ethnicities.

aribisala0:
Some things are irrelevant
Whether Old Ife kings were called Ooni or not is not relevant and you simply have no way of knowing that because you were not there

That is just a diversionary argument

Lagos was not always called Lagos so what?

Throwing in random unverifiable claims does not advance the argument
Claiming odu ifa is another unnecessary diversionary device
Are you a babalawo? Let us not get into all of that

The issues are simple
Today there is no basis for anyone to claim he is paramount king in Yoruba land .
There is nothing like Yorubaland. We can maybe talk of Yoruba land but not Yorubaland. So I agree that Ooni should not make such titles but NO ONE SHOULD. NOT OONI NOT ALAAFIN

Ooni of Ife is just like maybe the Pope

Elegushi and Oba of Lagos are more relevant than. Alaafin