₦airaland Forum

aribisala0:
You are mixing it up
What is your point
Mine is simple no king is senior to others
The Alaafin is trying to claim a position they lost a long time ago
Whatever the Oonis were or are is irrelevant
There is no paramount king of Yoruba land

The Alaafin used to be an Emperor. That empire is no more

Whether Oonis were Priests or not is arguable
Priest is not a Yoruba word so I don't know precisely what you mean

You say ARE PRIESTS in the present tense

So the current Ooni is not a king ? Is that your position?

Ok, I see your point.

The Oyo position is that Oonis are the heads of the traditional priests and our spiritual leader. As kings. Oyos only see Oonis as kings of those remaining at Ife with no royal authority beyond that boundary. The Oyos already moved their Olofin to Oyo as Alaafin who they see as paramount and second to none while creating other kingdoms in the process.

There is even a video by this current Ooni stating clearly that Ooni is the spiritual head. That's just a sugarcoated way of saying he is just a chief priest. That's exactly how Oonis were viewed in history until politics came.

Malawian:
That shows that a king without an army can't possibly be the head of the hitherto warrior-like Yoruba.

If anything, calling the Ooni the "spiritual head" of the Yoruba only shows he is just a chief priest and not a king per say.

Shikena:
Ok, I see your point.

The Oyo position is that Oonis are the heads of the traditional priests and our spiritual leader. As kings. Oyos only see Oonis as kings of those remaining at Ife with no royal authority beyond that boundary. The Oyos already moved their Olofin to Oyo as Alaafin who they see as paramount and second to none while creating other kingdoms in the process.

Nobody is a king anywhere outside his territory

Oyo once subdued others and established empire

That is over now
I get am before no be properly

There is no kingship that is eternal
Kingdoms rise and fall
The Ooni is a king to anyone who sees him as a king it is not Oyo business as long as they he does not come to Oyo

The reality is Oyo is an expired empire and should stay on their lane
Second to none is based on military power
Oyo is Second to Nigeria a descendant of the British Empire let us not deceive ourselves

Nigeria is just indulging all these kings
If they are scrapped nothing will happen
Who put the Alaafin there is it not Nigerian government

Exousiang01:
The office of the Ooni is that of a chief priest the Ooni is not a king, the OOni is never superior. You are saying the opposite.

so who is the ruler of Ile Ife?

OPICANTO2223:
It doesn't make sense. This man is having oral diarrhea. I wonder who gave him the knowledge to spew thrash. I believe Alaafi is the custodian of Yoruba culture, while Ooni is a highly political throne created to demystify great Oyo empire

Which one is senior between Oduduwa's crown and Oranmiyan's crown?

Exousiang01:
The office of the Ooni is that of a chief priest the Ooni is not a king, the OOni is never superior. You are saying the opposite.

Tell us what tha chief priest translates to in Yoruba language

A person that goes to Ipebi
That is called Kabiyesi?

This is just your wishful thoughts

That salary was arranged according to benefit those British are getting from every town. Tell me which town in Yoruba land that is involved in slave trade Infact Oyo people should be apologizing everyday to rest of yorubas for capturing and selling their neighbours. Ogbomosho and Ibadan remain the Messiah of the Oyo people of not for them their generations could have went extinct in the hands of fulanis.
Till today mention fulani in the ear of any Oyo and see them shivering

LARRYOBRAIN:
You need to learn history ogbomoso was a village to Oyo, the soun cannot look Alaafin in the eyes if not for political influence. See attachment, is there anything like soun of ogbomoso on the list. Learn history.

Ayed44:
Which one is senior between Oduduwa's crown and Oranmiyan's crown?

There is nothing like Senior what matters is present reality not argument

Which one is Senior between President of USA and King of England

God did not appoint anyone as Senior
Senior is down to what is on ground at any point in time
There is no Senior crown

Elegushi and Oba of Lagos are more relevant than Alaafin today

lagonovo:
There is even a video by this current Ooni stating clearly that Ooni is the spiritual head. That's just a sugarcoated way of saying he is just a chief priest. That's exactly how Oonis were viewed in history until politics came.

The spiritual controls the physical. The Ooni was a king and a priest.

The below was found in the palace of the Oba of Benin by colonialist before Nigeria was created..Note, it says figure of Ife King and not just priest.

ultraviolet27:
Do I need to be a babalawo to know the odu?I am a traditionalist also studied ifa corpus in linguistic(Yoruba as a course) part time I am surprised you would claim to be an isese adherent don't know this

It is diversion
Not relevant to the argument
In logic we call it Ad verecundiam you can check it out
Just a trick to change subject
Am I to now engage you in talking g about Ifa who is right or wrong?

This is the issue

The issues are simple
Today there is no basis for anyone to claim he is paramount king in Yoruba land .
There is nothing like Yorubaland. We can maybe talk of Yoruba land but not Yorubaland. So I agree that Ooni should not make such titles but NO ONE SHOULD. NOT OONI NOT ALAAFIN


Why bring Ifa into that?

That is a cheap shot.
Like I said irrelevant

LARRYOBRAIN:
Learn lesson here

So does that mean the Olubadan is a bigger king because he earns more than some ancient kings on that list?

LARRYOBRAIN:
Ask him in whose dialect the yoruba textbooks, newspapers is written and all yorubas have to learn it and write examination in to pass.
The answer to this question, is the answer to this fake submission.
The first yoruba Bible was written in Oyo language, Ajayi Crowther is from Ogun State but he knows the Supreme yoruba King and yoruba article must be written in his dialect.

Ajayi Crowther is from Osogun (an Oyo Town)..he was a great grand son of Alaafin Abiodun and was captured by Fulani raiders during the fall of Oyo empire.

The language we used is NOT Oyo. Its a mix of effect Yoruba dialects.

The Myth
Written-Yoruba (aka. Standardized-Yoruba, aka. Yoruba-Koiné) is really the Ọ̀yọ́ dialect.

The FACT
Written-Yoruba (aka. Standardized-Yoruba, aka. Yoruba-Koiné) is based on inputs from several Yorùbá dialects, starting with the Ẹ̀gbá dialect.

lagonovo:
There is even a video by this current Ooni stating clearly that Ooni is the spiritual head. That's just a sugarcoated way of saying he is just a chief priest. That's exactly how Oonis were viewed in history until politics came.

Whether it is how it was viewed is irrelevant today

United States was once viewed as a Colony
Now they dominate the World
Oyo's position came from the sword
The sword does not have any more legitimacy than politics
They are means to ends.
God did not appoint Oyo as anything
They took with the sword and the sword is rusty now
Empires come and go.
Oyo died as an empire long ago

The king today is the Federal Government of Nigeria

To all the Oyo supremacist parroting priest. Even the Alafin is also regarded as a priest..

In addition, does that mean Oranmiyan also left a kingship position to go and became a priest at Ife? The priest arguments falls flat on its face.

Both the Alafin and the Ooni are both priest and kings.

Oranmiyan left Oyo for a bigger and more prestigious Ooni crown. Simple as ABC.

LARRYOBRAIN:
Learn lesson here

According to your list, the Olubadan a second class king earns more than the Ooni a first class king

Ayed44:
Which one is senior between Oduduwa's crown and Oranmiyan's crown?

“Lade Lade Lade, Alaafin o Lade, Ade ori Aladikun lagba fun Alaafin”.

lagonovo:
There is even a video by this current Ooni stating clearly that Ooni is the spiritual head. That's just a sugarcoated way of saying he is just a chief priest. That's exactly how Oonis were viewed in history until politics came.

All kings are priest. A Yoruba king is both the administrative and spiritual head of the kingdom. That is why they say a king has no permanent religion because he’s the head of all spiritual entities in his domain.

What exactly is your long drivel all about?

aribisala0:
Nobody is a king anywhere outside his territory

Oyo once subdued others and established empire

That is over now
I get am before no be properly

There is no kingship that is eternal
Kingdoms rise and fall
The Ooni is a king to anyone who sees him as a king it is not Oyo business as long as they he does not come to Oyo

The reality is Oyo is an expired empire and should stay on their lane
Second to none is based on military power
Oyo is Second to Nigeria a descendant of the British Empire let us not deceive ourselves

Nigeria is just indulging all these kings
If they are scrapped nothing will happen
Who put the Alaafin there is it not Nigerian government

seunmsg:
All kings are priest. A Yoruba king is both the administrative and spiritual head of the kingdom. That is why they say a king has no permanent religion because he’s the head of all spiritual entities in his domain.

Alaafin is a king not a priest. The priests are well known including Ooni.

Shikena:
What exactly is your long drivel all about?

Just a prelude to blocking nuisance

seunmsg:
“Lade Lade Lade, Alaafin o Lade, Ade ori Aladikun lagba fun Alaafin”.

Do you even know the history of that statement? What occasion led to that saying? What did the descendants of Oduduwa gather to do that led to that? Eyin olote just clutching at anything

Read, read, read...you people won't read.

Know your history. A race that doesn't know where they come from will never know where they are headed.

It is all in the books.

Ibadan is under Oyo, the warriors of Oyo stays in Ibadan (Eba odan), the kingship of Ibadan is based on magaji system

Adexxi:
That salary was arranged according to benefit those British are getting from every town. Tell me which town in Yoruba land that is involved in slave trade Infact Oyo people should be apologizing everyday to rest of yorubas for capturing and selling their neighbours. Ogbomosho and Ibadan remain the Messiah of the Oyo people of not for them their generations could have went extinct in the hands of fulanis.
Till today mention fulani in the ear of any Oyo and see them shivering

You are responding to yourself

femi4:
So, its a stranger that will tell you your history. No wonder you believed Mungo park discovered river Niger

Emancipate yourself from mental slavery

Your own is based on writer that wants to defend his people, sentiment.

femi4:
How can 1938 be the history

That was document put together based on politics.

Can you go back to 18th century before amalgamation

So where do you get your own from?

femi4:
We are talking about origin, you are showing me a typed document by government in 1938...smh

brownlolly:
Read, read, read...you people won't read.

Know your history. A race that doesn't know where they come from will never know where they are headed.

It is all in the books.

They would rather stay in their face me i face you and be typing bollocks..

Goodlady:
The story of those people doesn't go the way you're narrating it. But no be ya fault. Na dem dey wash their linen outside. Their tribe is an envy to others in Nigeria.
Now to set ya records straight.
Izoduwa isn't Oduduwa. Oduduwa is from Oke-Ora. Ugbo people of present day Ondo State confirmed this in their sources when recounting the clash with Obatala.
One of ya Benin historians confirmed ya lost prince died while wandering.
Now to the issue of falling from sky. Oduduwa lived in the mountain terrain of Ife which is Oke-Ora (Ora Hill), Google it. That's why some said he fell from the sky. The Arabian or Egyptian tale is just a buttress to origin of blacks from Mesopotamia (Ham's father who's Noah) and migration of his descendants to Egypt, Nubia, Meroe, Waddai, Ethiopia etc which are the first black settlements. Ya Bini too possibly came from their or where will you say present day Edo Binis came from? Again about the sky issue, where did Ogisos came from? Aren't they too skylords? 😆Why you go package ya own myths and desecrate other people's own? No be juju be that? Where's the earliest source of Ogisos and who birthed the first one? Who birthed the person that birthed that first one? Are Ogisos older than Adam? Think!
The earlier you understand history of people have their myths and some shrouded beginnings that you just have to respect, the better for you so that you won't be dragged like a better pass my neighbor generator.
Am Isoko & Fula by tribe and respect other tribes.

There is a difference between calling your kings sky gods and actually narrating how they fell from the sky.

You can never get a narration of kings in Benin coming/falling from the sky.

oz4real83:
the Oba of Benin is the father of them all. Izoduwa that was corrupted to Oduduwa was a Benin Prince who migrated to Oyo after being banished from the Benin empire. It was he that became the first Alaafin of oyo and gave birth to the first Ooni of ife and his last born also became the Oba of Benin. The yorubas will never agree that Oduduwa came from Benin. They would rather tell you either fell he from the sky or he came from Egypt using Air peace, uber cab or tesla🤣🤣🤣

saddler:
There is a difference between calling your kings sky gods and actually narrating how they fell from the sky.

You can never get a narration of kings in Benin coming/falling from the sky.

Same same..
The mythology of Ife says oduduwa descended from the sky.
The mythology of benin says the ogiso descended from the sky.