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Obaaderemi2:
Well anybody including you can own their opinion but fortunately they do not own their facts. You write in the language of your slavemasters today. Does that mean you do not have your own language. If Jesus spoke Hebrew, that does not mean that was the only language he could speak. He conversed with a centurion who wasn't from his parts.

The question is: did Jesus ever exist in that area known as Israel today? Was there ever a time Romans had to persecute followers of his teachings? Did those teachings originate out of Europe? Were they started by Romans or Greek?
The fact is there are bodies of ancient works that mentioned Jesus. Some from Jews and others from non Jews. Pliny a roman administrator in Israel wrote to Rome to complain about the menace of the followers of Christ. Josephus a Jew wrote about Jesus too. These are people who were not connected in any way. So if Jesus existed and there is evidence of his teachings, who spread these messages outside middle East if not his disciples and followers of his teachings, like Paul? Even Jesus mythicists do not dispute that Paul existed.

Some of you know very little but are so blissful in their ignorance. Facts are stubborn at least

Slave master? Is your ba ba a slave? What are you talking about
Jesus is a Hebrew name so there must have been many through out their history

Therei is no natural connection between the Torah that Jews call old Testament and the European Greek production called New Testament

Europeans just attached it from nowhere but the owners of the book are perplexed

It is just as if Muslims claim their Quran is the New Testament though they seem to be saying Final Testament

Even if there was a Jesus Christ there is no evidence that the people who wrote the New Testament ever met him or that their account is accurate
We do not even know who wrote those monologues or when

aribisala0:
Slave master? Is your ba ba a slave? What are you talking about
Jesus is a Hebrew name so there must have been many through out their history

Therei is no natural connection between the Torah that Jews call old Testament and the European Greek production called New Testament

Europeans just attached it from nowhere but the owners of the book are perplexed

It is just as if Muslims claim their Quran is the New Testament though they seem to be saying Final Testament

Even if there was a Jesus Christ there is no evidence that the people who wrote the New Testament ever met him or that their account is accurate
We do not even know who wrote those monologues or when

Your baba was a slave? Wasn't he? Since you believe speaking English or worshipping gods brought from elsewhere is tantamount to subjugation. I don't see it that way, so my baba was not a slave. Islam and Christianity are global forces. Adherents are not slaves. You might not know it but a good population of Europeans are muslims and white. Europeans believe in a Christ who was not even European nor white but dark skinned to start with.

There are more than enough evidences to support the existence of the men that wrote the books of the new testament. Jews do not recognize them because Jews were against the teachings of Jesus. They didn't and don't believe that he was sent by YHWH. So how do you expect them to believe in people like Paul.

You've not answered my question. Did Jesus ever exist? Did the teachings of Christ which make up the bulk of the new testament originate from the middle East or from Europe?

Obaaderemi2:
Well anybody including you can own their opinion but fortunately they do not own their facts. You write in the language of your slavemasters today. Does that mean you do not have your own language. If Jesus spoke Hebrew, that does not mean that was the only language he could speak. He conversed with a centurion who wasn't from his parts.

The question is: did Jesus ever exist in that area known as Israel today? Was there ever a time Romans had to persecute followers of his teachings? Did those teachings originate out of Europe? Were they started by Romans or Greek?
The fact is there are bodies of ancient works that mentioned Jesus. Some from Jews and others from non Jews. Pliny a roman administrator in Israel wrote to Rome to complain about the menace of the followers of Christ. Josephus a Jew wrote about Jesus too. These are people who were not connected in any way. So if Jesus existed and there is evidence of his teachings, who spread these messages outside middle East if not his disciples and followers of his teachings, like Paul? Even Jesus mythicists do not dispute that Paul existed.

Some of you know very little but are so blissful in their ignorance. Facts are stubborn at least

Jesus Christ is a Greek and not Jewish name. No Jewish parent ever named their child such a name. This shows that Those people that mentioned Jesus were relaying fables. A Jew can't be named Jesus Christ.

lawani:
Jesus Christ is a Greek and not Jewish name. No Jewish parent ever named their child such a name. This shows that Those people that mentioned Jesus were relaying fables. A Jew can't be named Jesus Christ.

It's a Jewish name. It's yeshua in the original Hebrew form. The Greek had their own way of pronouncing it and the English version is Jesus

Obaaderemi2:
It's a Jewish name. It's yeshua in the original Hebrew form. The Greek had their own way of pronouncing it and the English version is Jesus

Iesous the Christ is the only son of Zeus in Greek mythology and Jesus was derived from it. Yeshua is the same as Joshua or Isa but not the same as Jesus. They are very dissimilar

lawani:
Iesous the Christ is the only son of Zeus in Greek mythology and Jesus was derived from it. Yeshua is the same as Joshua or Isa but not the same as Jesus. They are very dissimilar

Appolo was Zeus's son. He had no son called Iessous.

Obaaderemi2:
Appolo was Zeus's son. He had no son called Iessous.

I read an article on Quora a while back where someone knowledgeable on the matter discussed it. The name Iesous is one of the Greek pantheon and has nothing to do with Yisa or Joshua which is a typical Jewish name. Iesous was a Christ and Christ means the perfect son of God and this is Greek theology. Jesus has no resemblance to Yisa and they are definitely not the same name. Both existed in their different cultures. Jesus came from Iesous and the concept of Christ is not Hebrew but Greek theology. Some people try to say Christ means messiah but that is wrong. Messiah is a Jewish concept of political savior. It has nothing to do with theology. A Messiah is supposed to save Israel from colonizers or oppressors. They were expecting one to save them from Rome. Therefore Messiah is not the same as Christ. That is a misinterpretation. Christ has always existed in Greek theology while Messiah has always been a part of Jewish political discourse. Iesous is a Greek name that has always been Greek and it became Jesus and Yisa is a Jewish name that has always been Jewish

Blaming colonialism for everything today is like a man who keeps pointing at the thief who robbed him 50 years ago while sitting on fertile land he refuses to farm. History might explain the wound, but it doesn’t excuse the laziness to heal. Nations don’t ascend by crying over scars, no, they ascend by building, innovating, and leading. Until Africa can produce its own tech giants, its own Silicon Valleys, and its own scientific revolutions, the world will not take us seriously. The question is not what Europe did. The question is: what are we doing now?

And this is why I don’t waste energy on the bitterness of history huggers. Europe is not powerful because they were perfect, they’re powerful because, for better or worse, they bent the world to their will and that’s greatness, whether you like it or not. Crying won’t change it, only creating will. At some point, you stop whining about the thief and start proving you’re stronger than the theft.

lawani:
I read an article on Quora a while back where someone knowledgeable on the matter discussed it. The name Iesous is one of the Greek pantheon and has nothing to do with Yisa or Joshua which is a typical Jewish name. Iesous was a Christ and Christ means the perfect son of God and this is Greek theology. Jesus has no resemblance to Yisa and they are definitely not the same name. Both existed in their different cultures. Jesus came from Iesous and the concept of Christ is not Hebrew but Greek theology. Some people try to say Christ means messiah but that is wrong. Messiah is a Jewish concept of political savior. It has nothing to do with theology. A Messiah is supposed to save Israel from colonizers or oppressors. They were expecting one to save them from Rome. Therefore Messiah is not the same as Christ. That is a misinterpretation. Christ has always existed in Greek theology while Messiah has always been a part of Jewish political discourse. Iesous is a Greek name that has always been Greek and it became Jesus and Yisa is a Jewish name that has always been Jewish

I thought you said before that Iessous was Zeus's son. You definitely can't back it up that the name yeshua was derived from a Greek name originally. It's a Jewish name originally.

The article you read is just the writer's opinion.

Obaaderemi2:
I thought you said before that Iessous was Zeus's son. You definitely can't back it up that the name yeshua was derived from a Greek name originally. It's a Jewish name originally.

The article you read is just the writer's opinion.

Yes the article said Iesus was Zeus" son. He was a Christ in Greek theology I did not say Yeshua came from Greek. Yeshua is Joshua is Yisa is Isa. It is a Jewish name. Jesus is the one derived from Iesus and the name is Greek. Jesus and Yeshua are not the same names. One is Greek and the other Hebrew.

Kushites:
There was no ''Christ''. It's a Roman scam from start to finish.

Why would the ''Son of God'' come to Earth and only go to where white people are staying?

Are we not God's Creation?

Why would ''Christ'' come 2,000 years ago but we didn't hear about him until 100 years ago when the British decided to come to steal, loot, colonise and burn down our glorious civilisation?

What happened to your ''Son of God'' in 1,900 years of ignoring us?

And then all of a sudden after the British invaded to steal, it became really, REALLY important for us to be ''saved by Jesus''.

Why?

Why did it only become important 1,900 years after he supposedly came to Earth?

Why only when the British needed to loot our resources in the 1900s did it become necessary for us to be ''saved by Jesus'' and ''avoid hellfire''?

If hellfire truly exists, how come it took colonial invaders and thieves to make us aware of it, a mere century ago when they desired to steal from us, when we have been on this earth as Africans praising and honouring God and his forces of Divinity for hundreds of thousands of years?

The very idea is comically ludicrous.

Two beers for this comment.

Goodlyhrt:
Blaming colonialism for everything today is like a man who keeps pointing at the thief who robbed him 50 years ago while sitting on fertile land he refuses to farm. History might explain the wound, but it doesn’t excuse the laziness to heal. Nations don’t ascend by crying over scars, no, they ascend by building, innovating, and leading. Until Africa can produce its own tech giants, its own Silicon Valleys, and its own scientific revolutions, the world will not take us seriously. The question is not what Europe did. The question is: what are we doing now?

And this is why I don’t waste energy on the bitterness of history huggers. Europe is not powerful because they were perfect, they’re powerful because, for better or worse, they bent the world to their will and that’s greatness, whether you like it or not. Crying won’t change it, only creating will. At some point, you stop whining about the thief and start proving you’re stronger than the theft.

What a load of irrelevant trash.

We're talking of Africans devoting time to following foreign fake religions from invaders who caused Africans to look down on themselves and their ancestors, look down on everything Black and worship white gods and copy white governance systems that don't work for us....

..How can you produce "world class tech giants.." when you lack a fundamental belief in your equality to other races?

In the fundamental worth and viability of your history, your philosophy, your spiritual heritage, vis-a-vis other races?

If you're not running to Arab gods, you're running to Roman and Greek gods.

WHERE IS YOUR AFRICAN GOD?

WHERE IS YOUR AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY THAT ACTED AS A CHECK ON AUTHORITY FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF AFRICAN CIVILISATION?

IT'S IN THE GUTTER!

IN THE BUSH!

NEGLECTED.

IGNORED.

SPAT AT as "heathen", courtesy of thieving colonialists.

And you wonder why there's insecurity, corruption, scamming, kidnapping, terrorism and gangsterism.

YOU HAVE LOST YOUR MORAL FABRIC.

They replaced your old systems of accountability with "JESUS", who will "forgive" you even if you loot $10 billion, so long as you "accept him as your personal lord and saviour".

Islam, similar nonsense.

Steal $10 billion.

Just make sure you visit Mecca to spend that money on pilgrimage at least once, call yourself "Alhaji", and ALL IS FORGIVEN.

ARE THESE NOT YOUR MODERN NIGERIAN BORROWED PHILOSOPHIES?

The borrowed principles upon which your behaviours now stand?

That's why you are in this state.

NO OTHER REASON.

WHEN YOU DECIDE TO WAKE UP AND BECOME AFRICANS AGAIN, ALL YOUR PROBLEMS WILL END.

FOR NOW, keep dreaming of starting "tech giants".

China, India, Japan, do you see any of them worshiping white or Arab gods? Struggling to speak English and all this stuff?

Never. They observe their traditional religion, suitability updated, and speak and teach science in their native language, making technical knowledge widespread and organic, not top-down and exclusive.

THE RESULT? Functioning societies.

LEARN FROM THEM.