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gohf:
because he is an image of his father like Jesus said in John 8:44

He is. Someone who has such meanness. Remaining adamant to a falsehood against God the Father is hevil.

Boomark:
They teach falsehood as doctrine. Let me see where he will get One God as 3 persons in the bible.

This is what the enemy is using against the position of God the Father so people will not give him glory that is due to him.

they are not the only ones, there's the oneness group as well that believe that the Father and the son are one and the same person

Just Google what is oneness gospel?

The "Oneness gospel" refers to Oneness Pentecostalism, a theological belief that God is one single, indivisible Spirit who manifests as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, rather than three distinct co-equal persons in one God. Followers of this "Jesus Only" doctrine believe that titles like Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are merely descriptive of God's different roles or manifestations in history, and that Jesus Christ is the full embodiment of the one God. This view contrasts with the Trinitarian doctrine of mainstream Christianity.

gohf:
and that's where their deception comes in by twisting it in saying yes of course there is only one God we believe that too, and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are part of that one God.

But they will say God the son instead of son of God, God the spirit instead of spirit of God.

Problem is, we children of God are also part of God but we don't yet hear God Francis, God Deborah, well some say are already saying we are gods self.

Being called a god mean they are fake, because there is only one true God and that's why we tell them they shouldn't call Jesus God it's like saying Jesus is fake seeing as we all seem to agree that there is only one true God.

Some of these trinitarians the innocent one don't know the implications of their believe in the Trinity and devil uses that ignorance to destroy them

Calling Jesus a God is not a problem because he was called a mighty God in Isaiah 9:6-7. Even an idol was called "Unknown God." Jesus knew there are many Gods and that was why he called the Father the ONLY TRUE GOD.

Just as God called human judges “gods” whben He gave them authority to judge (Exodus 7:1; Psalm 82:6; John 10:34–36), in the same manner, the Father has appointed Jesus to be called a God so he can judge the whole world. The Father is the maker of Gods. He also made Moses a God to Pharaoh. That's why he is called the God of Gods.

They are Gods because they are judges. It is now left for people to know that they have one God who is the Father. They are on their own if they believe anything different from this. That one God is the Father.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/7#136533366

gohf:
they are not the only ones, there's the oneness group as well that believe that the Father and the son are one and the same person

Just Google what is oneness gospel?

The "Oneness gospel" refers to Oneness Pentecostalism, a theological belief that God is one single, indivisible Spirit who manifests as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, rather than three distinct co-equal persons in one God. Followers of this "Jesus Only" doctrine believe that titles like Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are merely descriptive of God's different roles or manifestations in history, and that Jesus Christ is the full embodiment of the one God. This view contrasts with the Trinitarian doctrine of mainstream Christianity.

I think this is the version of trinity FxMasterz believe in.

They are all deceiving themselves. The word of God stands against their falsehood

Boomark:
Calling Jesus a God is not a problem because he was called a mighty God in Isaiah 9:6-7. Even an idol was called "Unknown God." Jesus knew there are many Gods and that was why he called the Father the ONLY TRUE GOD.



They are Gods because they are judges. It is now left for people to know that they have one God who is the Father. They are on their own if they believe anything different from this. That one God is the Father.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/7#136533366

it won't be a problem if he is a God by God's definition not by human definition because to humans there are many Gods, to pharaoh Moses was a god but not to the people of Israel.

Grok pointed something interesting out that the Jews called angels God, elohim and at times referred to them as YHVH but they never believed any of them to be the YHVH or the God but representatives of God. That's why Paul spoke about some in Colossians 2:18 that worshipped angels as God.

Like you said even judges and humans have been referred to as God, even Paul and Barnabas.

When Grok brought up the time Thomas said to Jesus my God and I asked him about Genesis 18, he did a cross reference of even more verses and said it was a Jewish cultural reference to address a divine being representing God as God or YHVH and none were ever corrected


Now for Isaiah 9:6-7, I don't know what Grok would say about this, but before there was AI I had septuagint version and their interpretation of that version is different and I have also pointed out in one of some threads a point no one has refuted that Isaiah was talking about a name not names, and the second point is having el in one's name doesn't make them God. Gabriel is similar to mighty+God or Elijah my God is YHVH, several names have el in them, doesn't make them God.

If you say Eli, which means my God, it doesn't mean I or the person referred to is a God. So the calling a name is not the problem as you said to me it is the commandments. You shall have no other God except me. The one true God. No images, don't take things you see in heaven and earth as a God, worship only God as God.

So while Jesus is worshipped Lord and anointed king like David was or more than David ever was, he is never worshipped as God, as creator.

gohf:
if you type boomark's question in Google, their AI would respond with

The Trinity is a core Christian doctrine stating that one God exists as three co-equal, co-eternal, and co-substantial divine persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. This concept asserts that God is one in essence but three in person, a mystery of faith rather than a logical equation where 1+1+1=1. The doctrine is rooted in the New Testament's depiction of God's threefold activity as Creator, Incarnate Son, and indwelling Spirit, and was formally articulated in early Christian creeds, notably the Nicene Creed.

Do you notice that usually the AI attaches bible references to biblical questions but it doesn't do that for that question what is Trinity, it just links it with it's true origin the nicolatian doctrine that Christ Jesus hates.

Even A.I tells you that the doctrine of the trinity is rooted in the activity of God in New testament.
According to A.I the doctrine of the trinity does not contradict the laws of logic. Ofcourse you ride on emotion not logic.
A.i says doctrine of the trinity is biblical and does not contradict the laws of logic.
One God three persons.

Boomark:
1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NIrV
[4]...“there is only one God.” [5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Deuteronomy 6:4 LSB
[4] “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one!


The bible made it clear that there is ONLY ONE GOD. Even though there are many who are called Gods. That "One God" is the Father.

What you defined as trinity is not in the bible. It is against the position of God the Father who the scripture declared as ONE GOD over all.


So tell us from the bible where you got your ONE GOD as 3 persons?

Chibuezem, Ken4Christ watch

Paul also said there is one Lord, Jesus christ does that mean the father is not Lord.

gohf:
it won't be a problem if he is a God by God's definition not by human definition because to humans there are many Gods, to pharaoh Moses was a god but not to the people of Israel.

Grok pointed something interesting out that the Jews called angels God, elohim and at times referred to them as YHVH but they never believed any of them to be the YHVH or the God but representatives of God. That's why Paul spoke about some in Colossians 2:18 that worshipped angels as God.

Like you said even judges and humans have been referred to as God, even Paul and Barnabas.

When Grok brought up the time Thomas said to Jesus my God and I asked him about Genesis 18, he did a cross reference of even more verses and said it was a Jewish cultural reference to address a divine being representing God as God or YHVH and none were ever corrected


Now for Isaiah 9:6-7, I don't know what Grok would say about this, but before there was AI I had septuagint version and their interpretation of that version is different and I have also pointed out in one of some threads a point no one has refuted that Isaiah was talking about a name not names, and the second point is having el in one's name doesn't make them God. Gabriel is similar to mighty+God or Elijah my God is YHVH, several names have el in them, doesn't make them God.

If you say Eli, which means my God, it doesn't mean I or the person referred to is a God. So the calling a name is not the problem as you said to me it is the commandments. You shall have no other God except me. The one true God. No images, don't take things you see in heaven and earth as a God, worship only God as God.

So while Jesus is worshipped Lord and anointed king like David was or more than David ever was, he is never worshipped as God, as creator.

You still has more work to do. Ask grok to give to the greek interlinear of John 1:1. Now the focus for now should be what is the must accurate rendition of "In the beginning was the word" does it mean the word was created or came into existence in the beginning or the word and what is the implications of this.

Boomark:
Someone who says that God the Father has a God is worse than any low budget AI.

Lol, ChatGPT has become low budget AI. Do you remember when you made the attached post in defense of AI?

gohf:
lol you had to type the truth to image123 in that picture there 😂😆

Can you fill me in on the joke?

Boomark:


The thing tire me. Image123 is only interested in pushing negative views of AI. Even the AI later gave the correct answer.

But he, as a human, who said God the Father has a God, have not corrected his mistake of more than 2 weeks till date.

i'm not pushing negative views of AI darling, remember that you just started using AI 2 months ago, i understand as e dey shak you. i simply showed you that AI makes mistakes. Some will even remeind you, like ChatGPT or Gemini (ChatGPT can make mistakes. Check important info.)
No serious organisation relies on AI ahead of critical thinking. AI that is struggling with whether 2020 was 5 years ago, or how to count numbers is what we should rely on? That's comical.

Boomark:
Calling Jesus a God is not a problem because he was called a mighty God in Isaiah 9:6-7. Even an idol was called "Unknown God." Jesus knew there are many Gods and that was why he called the Father the ONLY TRUE GOD.



They are Gods because they are judges. It is now left for people to know that they have one God who is the Father. They are on their own if they believe anything different from this. That one God is the Father.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/7#136533366

So somehow, God forgot to tell humans and angels to worship Moses, judges, and gods (idols) but commands worship for Jesus Christ. Isn't God wonderful?

gohf:
it won't be a problem if he is a God by God's definition not by human definition because to humans there are many Gods, to pharaoh Moses was a god but not to the people of Israel.

Grok pointed something interesting out that the Jews called angels God, elohim and at times referred to them as YHVH but they never believed any of them to be the YHVH or the God but representatives of God. That's why Paul spoke about some in Colossians 2:18 that worshipped angels as God.

Like you said even judges and humans have been referred to as God, even Paul and Barnabas.

When Grok brought up the time Thomas said to Jesus my God and I asked him about Genesis 18, he did a cross reference of even more verses and said it was a Jewish cultural reference to address a divine being representing God as God or YHVH and none were ever corrected


Now for Isaiah 9:6-7, I don't know what Grok would say about this, but before there was AI I had septuagint version and their interpretation of that version is different and I have also pointed out in one of some threads a point no one has refuted that Isaiah was talking about a name not names, and the second point is having el in one's name doesn't make them God. Gabriel is similar to mighty+God or Elijah my God is YHVH, several names have el in them, doesn't make them God.

If you say Eli, which means my God, it doesn't mean I or the person referred to is a God. So the calling a name is not the problem as you said to me it is the commandments. You shall have no other God except me. The one true God. No images, don't take things you see in heaven and earth as a God, worship only God as God.

So while Jesus is worshipped Lord and anointed king like David was or more than David ever was, he is never worshipped as God, as creator.

Lol, so He is worshipped? Alleluia.

Steep:
You still has more work to do. Ask grok to give to the greek interlinear of John 1:1. Now the focus for now should be what is the must accurate rendition of "In the beginning was the word" does it mean the word was created or came into existence in the beginning or the word and what is the implications of this.

before asking me this did you read the conversation

https://www.nairaland.com/8506184/chat-grok-ai-cofirms-gospel#136586259

https://x.com/i/grok/share/1vuwUxMU9D48QKyY9sP5RHEiU

If you haven't go and read it

Steep:
Even A.I tells you that the doctrine of the trinity is rooted in the activity of God in New testament.
According to A.I the doctrine of the trinity does not contradict the laws of logic. Ofcourse you ride on emotion not logic.
A.i says doctrine of the trinity is biblical and does not contradict the laws of logic.
One God three persons.

you can't tell the difference between activity and appearances. God acting through his son, acting through his spirit is different from appearing as a son or a spirit

gohf:
before asking me this did you read the conversation

https://www.nairaland.com/8506184/chat-grok-ai-cofirms-gospel#136586259

https://x.com/i/grok/share/1vuwUxMU9D48QKyY9sP5RHEiU

If you haven't go and read it

I don't think you understand what I wrote. Grok has already confirmed to you that Jesus is divine by nature mean he is God by nature. I asked you to focus on christ pre-existence at creation.
Ask grok to do an unbiased analysis of "In the beginning was the word" using the greek interlinear to determine if the word was created at the beginning or already existed at the beginning. Come back and let me know the answer from grok.

gohf:
you can't tell the difference between activity and appearances. God acting through his son, acting through his spirit is different from appearing as a son or a spirit

It is you that cannot tell the difference according to grok the trinity was a doctrine that was derived from the activity of God ( meaning his activity as father Son and Holy Spirit) in the bible so in other words grok actually could analyze that God acts in three distinct persons.
The only difference between grok and the doctrine of the trinity is that God is not just acting as three persons but he IS three persons.

Steep:
It is you that cannot tell the difference according to grok the trinity was a doctrine that was derived from the activity of God ( meaning his activity as father Son and Holy Spirit) in the bible so in other words grok actually could analyze that God acts in three distinct persons.
The only difference between grok and the doctrine of the trinity is that God is not just acting as three persons but he IS three persons.

Excellent!

Moses who served as God in Egypt {Exodus 7:1} and Jesus of Nazareth who served as God in first century Judea {John 1:1} both said:

“‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is ONE Jehovah" Mark 12:29; Deuteronomy 6:4

Ọmọ go on jàre you sabi God pas the two of them join together!

Steep:
It is you that cannot tell the difference according to grok the trinity was a doctrine that was derived from the activity of God ( meaning his activity as father Son and Holy Spirit) in the bible so in other words grok actually could analyze that God acts in three distinct persons.
The only difference between grok and the doctrine of the trinity is that God is not just acting as three persons but he IS three persons.

according to Grok, which grok? Steep you still read like this?

Steep:
I don't think you understand what I wrote. Grok has already confirmed to you that Jesus is divine by nature mean he is God by nature. I asked you to focus on christ pre-existence at creation.
Ask grok to do an unbiased analysis of "In the beginning was the word" using the greek interlinear to determine if the word was created at the beginning or already existed at the beginning. Come back and let me know the answer from grok.

If you read you would have realized Grok already did that. But since it's you steep let me just restate:

Ἐν ἀρχῇ (en archē): A prepositional phrase meaning "in the beginning" or "at the start." ἀρχή denotes the origin or initial point of something.

Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος: This sets the temporal context ("in the beginning" and states that ὁ Λόγος (the Word/Reason) existed at that time. The author is stating that the word existed at the start.

Syntactic Structure:
The first clause, Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος ("In the beginning was the Word", establishes the temporal existence of the Word

Image123:
So somehow, God forgot to tell humans and angels to worship Moses, judges, and gods (idols) but commands worship for Jesus Christ. Isn't God wonderful?

Jesus is anointed king and Lord over all expect God, and all are commanded to worship him. Every knee shall bow and say that Jesus Christ is lord

MaxInDHouse:
Excellent!

Moses who served as God in Egypt {Exodus 7:1} and Jesus of Nazareth who served as God in first century Judea {John 1:1} both said:

“‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is ONE Jehovah" Mark 12:29; Deuteronomy 6:4

Ọmọ go on jàre you sabi God pas the two of them join together!

Moses was merely representing God to Pharaoh.

gohf:
according to Grok, which grok? Steep you still read like this?

grok confirmed that the trinity is from the bible.

gohf:
If you read you would have realized Grok already did that. But since it's you steep let me just restate:

Ἐν ἀρχῇ (en archē): A prepositional phrase meaning "in the beginning" or "at the start." ἀρχή denotes the origin or initial point of something.

Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος: This sets the temporal context ("in the beginning" and states that ὁ Λόγος (the Word/Reason) existed at that time. The author is stating that the word existed at the start.

Syntactic Structure:
The first clause, Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος ("In the beginning was the Word", establishes the temporal existence of the Word

That is not what I asked you. You see that you are not sincere, show that chat where you asked grok if Jesus came into existence in the beginning or was already there in the beginning.
Yes the word existed in the beginning that is is not the question, the question is if the word came into creation or the word was already present why is this too hard for you?

gohf:
Jesus is anointed king and Lord over all expect God, and all are commanded to worship him. Every knee shall bow and say that Jesus Christ is lord

MaxD come and see your fellow trinity denial saying that God has commanded everyone to worship Jesus. Do you agree?

Steep:
The only difference between grok and the doctrine of the trinity is that God is not just acting as three persons but he IS three persons.

Steep:
Moses was merely representing God to Pharaoh.

This is really getting funnier than i thought!
Moses was addressing the Israelites not Pharaoh in that verse:

“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" Deuteronomy 6:4

But if you can't grasp that did Jesus also forgot to tell his followers that God is three persons?

Steep:
MaxD come and see your fellow trinity denial saying that God has commanded everyone to worship Jesus. Do you agree?

He is not my BROTHER in faith so continue the argument with your fellow worshiper whoever is not one of Jehovah's Witnesses has nothing to say about our own God that's why i keep asking any of you to first mention the name of his or her church before i engage you if you can't do that then you are all on the same page to me!

Steep:
Paul also said there is one Lord, Jesus christ does that mean the father is not Lord.

And it is the Father that made Jesus a Lord. Did you see that he was made a Lord by his God? He is one Lord to us but not to his God. The Father is One God to all including Jesus.

Acts of the Apostles 2:36 NLT
[36] “So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”


So by abandoning your One God definition of trinity and switching to one Lord shows that your trinity is falsehood that is not in the bible. You can't define it with one God and you can't define it with one Lord according to the scripture.

As far the bible is concerned, trinity is a baseless falsehood from satan and the antichrist, prepare for people to reject God the Father as One God.

One God is God the Father (1 Corinthians 8:4-6). Trinity Is falsehood and philosophy of men.

Boomark:
And it is the Father that made Jesus a Lord. Did you see that he was made a Lord by his God? He is one Lord to us but not to his God. The Father is One God to all including Jesus.

Acts of the Apostles 2:36 NLT
[36] “So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”


So by abandoning your One God definition of trinity and switching to one Lord shows that your trinity is falsehood that is not in the bible. You can't define it with one God and you can't define it with one Lord according to the scripture.

As far the bible is concerned, trinity is a baseless falsehood from satan and the antichrist, prepare for people to reject God the Father as One God.

One God is God the Father (1 Corinthians 8:4-6). Trinity Is falsehood and philosophy of men.

I asked you a simple question, Is Jesus being the one Lord exclude the father to be Lord?

Maximus692:
This is really getting funnier than i thought!
Moses was addressing the Israelites not Pharaoh in that verse:

“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" Deuteronomy 6:4

But if you can't grasp that did Jesus also forgot to tell his followers that God is three persons?

Can you explain how this disprove the trinity?

Maximus692:
He is not my BROTHER in faith so continue the argument with your fellow worshiper whoever is not one of Jehovah's Witnesses has nothing to say about our own God that's why i keep asking any of you to first mention the name of his or her church before i engage you if you can't do that then you are all on the same page to me!

So you are free to group all non Jehovah witness as one but fumes when you are also grouped with those who have similar belief? Whether you like it or not? To me you, bookmark and gohf and brethren you guys are the same belief as far as rejecting Christ deity is concerned. You guys infact are one with muslims

Steep:
That is not what I asked you. You see that you are not sincere, show that chat where you asked grok if Jesus came into existence in the beginning or was already there in the beginning.
Yes the word existed in the beginning that is is not the question, the question is if the word came into creation or the word was already present why is this too hard for you?

guy I will keep telling you repent, you don't even see your own deceptions. You haven't changed because you haven't genuinely repented

This is exactly what you wrote Ask grok to do an unbiased analysis of "In the beginning was the word" using the greek interlinear to determine if the word was created at the beginning or already existed at the beginning.