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PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 8:50am On Aug 31, 2025
The skeptics are still trying, but the Scriptures keep shutting every door against them. Let’s move into deeper truths they can’t handle.

Skeptic: “But the Bible says Christ is just a messenger… not literally God inside believers.”

Reply: Colossians 1:27 says “Christ in you, the hope of glory.” Meanwhile, in 2 Corinthians 6:16, God Himself says “I will dwell in them, and walk in them.” How is this fulfilled? By Christ in us. The presence of Christ in us is the presence of God in us. This is why Paul could boldly say in Galatians 2:20, “It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me.” If Christ in us equals God in us, then who is Christ?

Skeptic: “But in Revelation, it’s only God that should be worshipped, not Jesus.”

Reply: Revelation 5:13 destroys that argument completely: “And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea… heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”

Both the Father and the Lamb receive the same eternal worship from all creation. Show me a prophet or angel who ever received worship like this without rebuke? Even angels reject worship (Revelation 19:10), but the Lamb receives it alongside God. Why? Because He is God. Meanwhile, the Lamb NEVER WORSHIPS ANYONE.

Skeptic: “But Jesus Himself worshipped God… that means He can’t be God.”

Reply: Revelation is clear: the 24 elders, the four living creatures, and all the angels worship God and the Lamb (Revelation 5:8-14). Notice something shocking: there is not a single verse where the Lamb worships anyone. Not one. Yet all creation bows before Him. That is divine status, not prophetic rank.

Skeptic: “But God is the only King, not Jesus. Jesus was just exalted.”

Reply: In the Old Testament, God is called “King of kings” (Deuteronomy 10:17, Daniel 2:47). Yet in the New Testament, Revelation 19:16 says Jesus has a name written: “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.” The same eternal titles of Yahweh are ascribed directly to Christ. Either you accept that Jesus shares the very identity of God, or you will have to admit there are two different Kings of kings—which the Bible never allows.

Skeptic: “But Revelation still shows separation between God and the Lamb. They’re not the same.”

Reply: Revelation 21:23 solves it: “And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.” Notice carefully: it doesn’t say “lights.” It says LIGHT. One light, shared by God and the Lamb. They are not two competing sources, but one eternal divine radiance. That is unity of essence, not separation of nature.

Final Note: From Genesis to Revelation, the witness is consistent: the Son shares the names, glory, worship, throne, and attributes of Almighty God. Non-Trinitarians will quote isolated verses, but the full counsel of Scripture keeps exposing their loopholes.

You can access Part 1 here to see very unusual Scriptures that demonstrate the Trinity: https://www.nairaland.com/8509212/part-1-undisputable-truths-trinity

CC: TenQ, Gabrielshow24, Ken4Christ, Image123, Janosky.
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by SarcasticWords: 1:17pm On Aug 31, 2025
Your argument is flawed. You are still a baby drinking milk. Learn to eat meat from the scriptures.

1 Corithians 15: 20-28
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Very simple verses. Let us break it piece by piece so that it is crystal clear.

1. When Christ The Son has destroyed all dominion, authority power and death, he will hand over the kingdom to God The Father.

2. Everything has been put under Christ feet except God The father who put everything under Christ feet.

3. Christ will be made subject to God The Father who put everything under christ feet.

The bible is crystal clear. Jesus christ The Son and God The father are not and are never equal.

Jesus Christ is 💯 percent correct.

"The Father is GREATER than I"
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by Emusan(m): 2:11pm On Aug 31, 2025
SarcasticWords:
Very simple verses. Let us break it piece by piece so that it is crystal clear.

1. When Christ The Son has destroyed all dominion, authority power and death, he will hand over the kingdom to God The Father.

2. Everything has been put under Christ feet except God The father who put everything under Christ feet.

3. Christ will be made subject to God The Father who put everything under christ feet.
It's so funny how you people will argue on how people didn't understand scripture when in reality it's people like you who are doing the exact thing.

When you read that verse did you read it word for word? It evident you didn't.

Let me take you through it.

"When everything is subject to Christ, then the Son himself will also be subject to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all. - 1 Corin 15:28

Look at that @color part critically, did you understand what happened when Christ is subjected to the Father?

"...God will be ALL IN ALL"

Do you see how the object change from the Father to just God?

This is to tell you that, Jesus who became The Son for a mission on earth is bringing that mission to an end and He will revert back to God He was before taken Human nature.

The bible is crystal clear. Jesus christ The Son and God The father are not and are never equal.
They are equal.

Phil 2:6

Jesus Christ is 💯 percent correct.

"The Father is GREATER than I"
Jesus will always correct! Yes The Father is greater than Jesus when He took on the form of human to redeem man back to God. That is why Jesus grew in knowledge despite the fact that Jesus is the VERY WISDOM OF GOD, feel hungry despite the fact that He is the very Creator of ALL THINGS.

Jesus was on earth to teach us the way of God.

How do you expect Jesus to it by raising Himself as God in front of everyone or using Himself as example?
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by SarcasticWords: 2:25pm On Aug 31, 2025
Emusan:
It's so funny how you people will argue on how people didn't understand scripture when in reality it's people like you who are doing the exact thing.

When you read that verse did you read it word for word? It evident you didn't.

Let me take you through it.

"When everything is subject to Christ, then the Son himself will also be subject to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all. - 1 Corin 15:28

Look at that @color part critically, did you understand what happened when Christ is subjected to the Father?

"...God will be ALL IN ALL"

Do you see how the object change from the Father to just God?

This is to tell you that, Jesus who became The Son for a mission on earth is bringing that mission to an end and He will revert back to God He was before taken Human nature.



They are equal.

Phil 2:6



Jesus will always correct! Yes The Father is greater than Jesus when He took on the form of human to redeem man back to God. That is why Jesus grew in knowledge despite the fact that Jesus is the VERY WISDOM OF GOD, feel hungry despite the fact that He is the very Creator of ALL THINGS.

Jesus was on earth to teach us the way of God.

How do you expect Jesus to it by raising Himself as God in front of everyone or using Himself as example?
Jesus will be made subject to the Father. I believe you know the meaning of the word subject.

Can we stop putting words in Jesus mouth and simply accept what he told us. The Father is GREATER than him.

Don't add, don't subtract. Just take it as he has said it.
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by Emusan(m): 2:38pm On Aug 31, 2025
SarcasticWords:
Jesus will be made subject to the Father. I believe you know the meaning of the word subject.
Yes! Do you read also that "...God will be ALL IN ALL"?

Can we stop putting words in Jesus mouth and simply accept what he told us. The Father is GREATER than him.
I quoted the scripture or you mean I'm the one who put Phil 2:6 in the Bible?

Don't add, don't subtract. Just take it as he has said it.
Where did I add or subtract?
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by SarcasticWords: 2:40pm On Aug 31, 2025
Emusan:
Yes! Do you read also that "...God will be ALL IN ALL"?



I quoted the scripture or you mean I'm the one who put Phil 2:6 in the Bible?



Where did I add or subtract?
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Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by Emusan(m): 2:47pm On Aug 31, 2025
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by SarcasticWords: 2:48pm On Aug 31, 2025
Yes, done and dusted,

Next!
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by Emusan(m): 2:50pm On Aug 31, 2025
SarcasticWords:
Yes, done and dusted
Correct!

Next!
Jesus is equal to God!
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by SarcasticWords: 2:53pm On Aug 31, 2025
FxMasterz:
The skeptics .
Yes, so what else do you have for me? Lets keep this ball rolling, No time for slow learners
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:26am On Sep 01, 2025
The funny thing about all these back and forth arguments is how you all don't care to know which religion is practicing Christianity yet each of you wants to correct his fellow worshiper.
For instance someone who is arguing on Jesus being God or not started a thread:

Title:
"Top 11 Countries With The Largest Christian Population In 2025"
https://www.nairaland.com/8509697/top-11-countries-largest-christian

If you don't care to ascertain which group is practicing Christianity in the real sense what is the essence of arguing over what members of the religion believes? embarassed
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 1:48pm On Sep 02, 2025
SarcasticWords:
Yes, so what else do you have for me? Lets keep this ball rolling, No time for slow learners
Go and study the implications of rejecting the Word of God. I mean, believing only parts of it, and rejecting the rest.

Have you seen that the Lamb was worshipped in cohort with God in Revelation? Have you seen that the Lamb never worshipped anyone? Have you seen that God and the Lamb are the LIGHT, not LIGHTS of the New Jerusalem?
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by SarcasticWords: 4:28pm On Sep 02, 2025
FxMasterz:
Go and study the implications of rejecting the Word of God. I mean, believing only parts of it, and rejecting the rest. Have you seen that the Lamb was worshipped in cohort with God in Revelation? Have you seen that the Lamb never worshipped anyone? Have you seen that God and the Lamb are the LIGHT, not LIGHTS of the New Jerusalem?
I see where the confusion comes from, brother. Christ is divine and shares the same essence as the Father, so He is worshiped. Yet He did not make Himself equal to the Father. Philippians 2:6–7 explains this clearly.

"Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men." (Phil 2:6–7, ESV)
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 11:17pm On Sep 02, 2025
SarcasticWords:
I see where the confusion comes from, brother. Christ is divine and shares the same essence as the Father, so He is worshiped. Yet He did not make Himself equal to the Father. Philippians 2:6–7 explains this clearly.
Correct brother!

Thanks for standing by the Truth.

But on my God can be worshipped. If Christ is worshipped without being God, then, we have a serious problem in our hands.

It is a role matter. Take for instance, an artist who acts two different roles in a movie. He acts at janitor in one scene and as a company manager in another. Definitely, the manager role is greater than the janitor role, but both the manager and the janitor are the same person. Not two.

God, has had a purpose to fulfill in the universe because of the fall of man Luke an artiste, He has to take on some 3 different roles to ensure that He performed certain tasks for man, which man cannot perform for himself.

For example,man sold mankind to Satan. Only man can therefore redeem man. But man is unable to redeem man because no man is able to meet the criteria for a Redeemer. So, what did God do? He played the role of a man in Jesus so that He can through Jesus fulfil the criteria for a Redeemer, and therefore Redeem man by the man. Heist Jesus.


That's why salvation and redemption is a great mystery and miracle.
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by Janosky: 11:26pm On Sep 02, 2025
SarcasticWords:
I see where the confusion comes from, brother. Christ is divine and shares the same essence as the Father, so He is worshiped. Yet He did not make Himself equal to the Father. Philippians 2:6–7 explains this clearly.
The highlighted is the critical issue in Trinity doctrine.

Matthew 4:10, Mark 13:29 & John 13:16,Jesus Christ negates worshippung him.
"ONLY Yahweh his Father you must worship."

That is the command in your Bible.
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by Janosky: 11:29pm On Sep 02, 2025
FxMasterz:
Correct brother!

Thanks for standing by the Truth.

But on my God can be worshipped. If Christ is worshipped without being God, then, we have a serious problem in our hands.

It is a role matter. Take for instance, an artist who acts two different roles in a movie. He acts at janitor in one scene and as a company manager in another. Definitely, the manager role is greater than the janitor role, but both the manager and the janitor are the same person. Not two.

God, has had a purpose to fulfill in the universe because of the fall of man Luke an artiste, He has to take on some 3 different roles to ensure that He performed certain tasks for man, which man cannot perform for himself.

For example,man sold mankind to Satan. Only man can therefore redeem man. But man is unable to redeem man because no man is able to meet the criteria for a Redeemer. So, what did God do? He played the role of a man in Jesus so that He can through Jesus fulfil the criteria for a Redeemer, and therefore Redeem man by the man. Heist Jesus.


That's why salvation and redemption is a great mystery and miracle.
Whereas at Nicene in 326 & 381 AD, & in the Nicene Creed your Trinitarian mentors said Jesus is a person distinct/different from God his Father.
Read Oga Steep & Ken screenshot.
grin grin grin

Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by Janosky: 11:34pm On Sep 02, 2025
FxMasterz:
Go and study the implications of rejecting the Word of God. I mean, believing only parts of it, and rejecting the rest.

Have you seen that the Lamb was worshipped in cohort with God in Revelation? Have you seen that the Lamb never worshipped anyone? Have you seen that God and the Lamb are the LIGHT, not LIGHTS of the New Jerusalem?
The Lamb was NEVER worshipped.

Oga, STOP deceiving yourself.
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 11:39pm On Sep 02, 2025
Janosky:
Whereas at Nicene in 326 & 381 AD, & in the Nicene Creed your Trinitarian mentors said Jesus is a person distinct/different from God his Father.
Read Oga Steep & Ken screenshot.
grin grin grin
My friend.

I don't go by what what any man or cred says. I go by what I see for myself in Scripture. I will never allow any man's error to be my error, or allow any man to deceive or muslead me. The Scriptures has all the Truths I need to know about God.
Re: PART 2 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-trinitarians Cannot Refute by Janosky: 12:36am On Sep 03, 2025
FxMasterz:
My friend.

I don't go by what what any man or cred says. I go by what I see for myself in Scripture. I will never allow any man's error to be my error, or allow any man to deceive or muslead me. The Scriptures has all the Truths I need to know about God.
Oga, stop deceiving yourself .
How many persons is " I & the Father? "
FxMasterz post
"It is a role matter. Take for instance, an artist who acts two different roles in a movie. He acts at janitor in one scene and as a company manager in another. Definitely, the manager role is greater than the janitor role, but both the manager and the janitor are the same person. Not two".



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