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Janosky:
"By means of" OR "THROUGH," convey the same meaning.

Steep:
Notice how she dodges questions by bringing up irrelevance.
Since Jesus is the one Lord does that mean the father is not Lord. So according to your own words, the christian woman has two Lords, which are christ and her husband?

Chibuezem:
So which scripture is authentic?

gohf:
when you share one divine essence to 3 persons it becomes 3 divine essences. God blessed us with intelligence and wisdom for us to be reasoning this absurdly. You said them having God means God is a fourth being but here you are calling God and essence they share


Oga even confusion sounds mysterious

SHARED, so these three persons divided God up or God divided Himself into 3 persons. Oga they are either 3 God's or each 1/3rd a God so which is it? Did God multiply himself or did He divide Himself


subtlety is what Satan is good at, even a triangle is described as one shape with three lines and everyone knows that each line is not a shape until the author of confusion gets in


lol and your simpler way self contradicts your original point that God ain't a fourth person or fourth existence yet here you are saying what I have stated, they 3 fully possess God,... yet you wanted to deny that 🤣🤣😂🤣😂

gohf:
which one is "by means of" did I write that in that post?

Janosky:
◄ 1 John 5:7 ►

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses—

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony"

This is the correct rendition of 1 John 5:7

Chibuezem:
One. They are Equal. That's option 3 you forgot to add

Chibuezem:
is John 10:30 give me the correct rendition of this and also are you a Christian..... Why do I feel that this is bookman second account 😂😂😂

Boomark:
You can only feel falsehood.

Janosky:
◄ 1 John 5:7 ►

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses—

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony"

This is the correct rendition of 1 John 5:7

Janosky:

Chai !!!!

Chibuezem:
na this your Chai dey sweet me eh

Chibuezem:
okay thank you Sir
You know the Answer already.

Chibuezem:
is John 10:30 give me the correct rendition of this and also are you a Christian..... Why do I feel that this is bookman second account 😂😂😂

Janosky:
Sir , I am not bookman.
Janosky is the only moniker I have consistently used on this forum.

John 10:30
New International Version
"I and the Father are one.”

John 17:22
New International Version
" I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one."

@John 17:22, Jesus Christ has given you the accurate meaning of John 10:30.

Janosky:
1 John 5:7 KJV & Textus Receptus translations is not correct.

Pls verify this fact for yourself.
Thank you Sir.

Janosky:
Jesus Christ is first born of every creature just as the first born of every child is a child .

Janosky:
Comma Johaneum is the forgery inserted into KJV @ 1st John 5:7 by Erasmus Desiderius in the 16th century.
It is a spurious insert not genuine scripture.
Abeg diligently research this fact I have explained.
Thanks

Chibuezem:
I knew it lol this human is not a Christain..... 😂😂😂 So sad well God is ever ready to make you His own.

Chibuezem:
you’re right that the “Comma Johanneum” (the KJV words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one…”) is not regarded as original to 1 John. But it’s not correct to say Erasmus “inserted it into the KJV.”

Chibuezem:
Jesus Christ in his humanity represented that but in His spiritual existence is the word of God that has been in existence before creation
John ch 1:1to 14 explains this well Janosky 😂
Janosky Janosky
You are missing out
You should join the righteous side.

Chibuezem:
okay thanks you've solidified my belief in trinity 😊😍

Janosky:
John 17:22 unity of the disciples as God & Jesus are United ,John 10:30.
He that planted & he that waters the plant are one, 1 Corinthians 3:8.
1 Corinthians 3:8, John 17:22. John 10:30.
The expression "are one" meaning UNITY,harmony.

There is no Trinity in 1 Corinthians 3:8, John 17:22. John 10:30.

Janosky:
Hebrew 1:5-6
"God brings his first born (in heaven/spiritual realm) into the world (physical realm)."
Jesus is firstborn in his spiritual existence.
"Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God", Revelation 3:14.

Janosky:
Please read up....
Erasmus Desiderius Textus Receptus with comma johaneum insert was the manuscript that was used to publish KJV into English language.

sonmvayina:
Only the truth can set you free, but before that it will piss you off.
It is only the seeker that has always denied the truth, the truth haS never denied the seeker.....

One step at a time bro, one step at a time. Milk for babies like you, meat for adults like me.....

Chibuezem:
“Firstborn” here doesn’t mean “first created,” but rather a title of rank, honor, and inheritance (cf. Psalm 89:27: “I will make him the firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth.”).

Chibuezem:
The focus is on Jesus’ preeminence and the fact that angels are commanded to worship Him — something that could never be said of a created being.

Chibuezem:
2. Revelation 3:14
> “The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.”

The word “beginning” (Greek: archē) can mean “source,” “origin,” or “ruler,” not necessarily “the first thing created.”

Chibuezem:
Many scholars agree that in this verse Jesus is being described as the origin and ruler of creation — the One through whom all things were MADE (cf. John 1:3, Colossians 1:16).

Chibuezem:
3. Putting it Together

Hebrews 1:5–6 emphasizes Jesus’ Sonship and superiority over angels, calling Him “firstborn” in the sense of supremacy.

Revelation 3:14 emphasizes Jesus as the source/origin of creation, not as a creature Himself.

Together, these passages affirm His preexistence, divine authority, and central role in creation, rather than implying that He was the first created being.

Chibuezem:
✅ So, when it says “firstborn” or “beginning,” it’s not about Jesus having a created spiritual existence before His human birth, but rather about His priority, authority, and role as the source of all creation.

Janosky:
That claim is Faulty & incorrect.
Oga,let's examine "beginning" as meaning 'Source,Origin,Ruler' @ John 1:1 ,Genesis 1:1,Genesis 49:3 & Mark 13:19 to confirm if those scholars claims were correct.
John 1:1 "in the source,origin,ruler was the word."
Genesis 1:1," in the Source,Origin,ruler, God created the heaven...."
Genesis 49:3 "Reuben..the source,ruler,origin" of my virility.
Mark 13:19 ...the source ,origin,ruler of the creation which God created.."

Oga,from this practical example of Bible verses,are you now seeing that those scholars claims were faulty ?

Bible truth;Revelation 3:14, Jesus is the beginning (the first ) of God's creation.
Scholars opinion disproved by Revelation 3:14.

God MADE the Universe through(by means of) his Son.
Jesus is NOT origin/Source of creation.
Your Bible Revelation 3:14,says "Creation by God.

Hebrew 1:2,Revelation 3:14 & 1 Corinthians 8:6 say the same thing- God Yahweh is the Creator of ALL things
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Your own Bible says Jesus is "the creation by God" .

Beginning @ Revelation 3:14 is the same meaning of beginning in Genesis49:3,Gen1:1, Mark 13:19, John 1:1.
Those Bible verse examples were shown to you
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.



Mark 13:19
For those days will be such a time of tribulation as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will again"

Revelation 3:14
> “The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation"


Study both statements highlighted @ Mark 13:19 & Revelation 3:14.
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
Your Bible supercede those scholars opinion.

Janosky:
Did Colossians 1:15, Exodus 4:22,Genesis 49:3 & Psalms 89:27 teach that firstborn is not a creature ?
The answer is NO !!!!!!
Fir
Oga,@Genesis 49:3 is Reuben the first born Preeminent ?
Yes nah!
Firstborn of every child is a child more so firstborn of every creature is a creature.
Firstborn is inseparable from Preeminence.
---Acts 10:25 Cornelius was said to worship Peter.
"Worship" is improper rendition @ Hebrew 1:6 & Acts 10:25.
Pay homage (as Yorubas prostrate to an elder) is the proper rendition @ Heb 1:6 & Acts 10:25.
Because Jesus commanded us "WORSHIP ONLY Yahweh the God Almighty",Matt 4:10.