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gohf:
Many things here are wrong and based on wrong narrative

God did not sacrifice Jesus or his son, Jesus gave his life, he gave himself same thing children of God are expected to do, offer yourself as a living sacrifice totally obedient to God even to death.

Secondly, the blood isn't meant for God but for us to cleanse ourselves from sin, the blood was shed on earth it wasn't shed not sent to heaven.

thirdly the blood doesn't remove sins nor the consequences of sins from everyone only those who come to God with a repentant heart. That's why two were crucified beside Jesus but only one received the promise of the kingdom of God

Which sin are we cleansing ourselves from?

Let the person who committed the sin ask for forgiveness

So, after the blood, does it mean that humans are no longer sinning?

That theology doesn't make any sense abd Christiandom will continue to struggle with it since they created it after the Nicene conference

Imagine that kind of awkward theology coming from African traditional religion? One God being split into 3. God being born. God dying. God resurrecting. God killing himself.

erniok:
Seriously? Did you read the scripture verse reference or it was a case of itchy finger.

let us look at the whole of Isaiah chapter 9, shall we, just the way Isaiah wrote it.

1.The people who walked in darkness, have seen a great light; those who dwell in the land of the shadow of death, light shone upon them.
2.You have aggrandized this nation; you have magnified the joy for them; they have rejoiced over You like the joy of harvest, as they rejoice when they divide spoils.
3. For, the yoke of his burden and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of the one who oppressed him have You broken, as on the day of Midian.
4. For every victory shout sounds with clamor, and garments wallow in blood, but this shall be burnt, consumed by fire.
5. For a child[b] has been born to us, a son given to us[/b], and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
6.To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end, on David's throne and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness; from now and to eternity, the zeal of the Lord of Hosts shall accomplish this.
7.The Lord has sent a word against Jacob, and it has fallen in Israel.
8.And the entire people shall know-Ephraim and the dwellers of Samaria-[the fallacy of what they spoke] with haughtiness and with arrogance, saying, The Lord has sent a word against Jacob, and it has fallen in Israel
9. "Bricks have fallen, and hewn stones we will build; sycamores have been cut down, and we will replace them with cedars."
10. And the Lord strengthened the adversaries of Rezin over him, and his enemies He shall incite.

that is past tense. if you want me to teach you English tenses, then you have to pay me. it means something that happens in the past.
the son has already been born and they know it is a male child who will be king, because he is going to sit on the throne sometimes in the future and during his reign, the people will be prosperous, because he would be a righteous king.

sonmvayina:
let us look at the whole of Isaiah chapter 9, shall we, just the way Isaiah wrote it.

1.The people who walked in darkness, have seen a great light; those who dwell in the land of the shadow of death, light shone upon them.
2.You have aggrandized this nation; you have magnified the joy for them; they have rejoiced over You like the joy of harvest, as they rejoice when they divide spoils.
3. For, the yoke of his burden and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of the one who oppressed him have You broken, as on the day of Midian.
4. For every victory shout sounds with clamor, and garments wallow in blood, but this shall be burnt, consumed by fire.
5. For a child[b] has been born to us, a son given to us[/b], and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
6.To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end, on David's throne and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness; from now and to eternity, the zeal of the Lord of Hosts shall accomplish this.
7.The Lord has sent a word against Jacob, and it has fallen in Israel.
8.And the entire people shall know-Ephraim and the dwellers of Samaria-[the fallacy of what they spoke] with haughtiness and with arrogance, saying, The Lord has sent a word against Jacob, and it has fallen in Israel
9. "Bricks have fallen, and hewn stones we will build; sycamores have been cut down, and we will replace them with cedars."
10. And the Lord strengthened the adversaries of Rezin over him, and his enemies He shall incite.

that is past tense. if you want me to teach you English tenses, then you have to pay me. it means something that happens in the past.
the son has already been born and they know it is a male child who will be king, because he is going to sit on the throne sometimes in the future and during his reign, the people will be prosperous, because he would be a righteous king.

Isa 53 also happened since the prophet used past tenses right? This shows you know nothing about prophecies. The prophecies about the messiah in psalm using past tenses were also never about him.

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Globad:
Which sin are we cleansing ourselves from?


Let the person who committed the sin ask for forgiveness

So, after the blood, does it mean that humans are no longer sinning?

That theology doesn't make any sense abd Christiandom will continue to struggle with it since they created it after the Nicene conference

Imagine that kind of awkward theology coming from African traditional religion? One God being split into 3. God being born. God dying. God resurrecting. God killing himself.

Rom.3.23 For all have sinned; all fall short of God's glorious standard.

1John.1.7 - 10
But if we are living in the light of God's presence, just as Christ is, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from every sin.
If we say we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and refusing to accept the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us from every wrong.
If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.

Jas.5.16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

Jas.3.2 We all make many mistakes, but those who control their tongues can also control themselves in every other way.

Jas.5.19 - 20
My dear brothers and sisters, if anyone among you wanders away from the truth and is brought back again, you can be sure that the one who brings that person back will save that sinner from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins.


And finally Jesus said in Matt.18.15 - 17
"If another believer sins against you, go privately and point out the fault. If the other person listens and confesses it, you have won that person back. But if you are unsuccessful, take one or two others with you and go back again, so that everything you say may be confirmed by two or three witnesses. If that person still refuses to listen, take your case to the church. If the church decides you are right, but the other person won't accept it, treat that person as a pagan or a corrupt tax collector.

🙏🏾 ✌🏾

gohf:
Rom.3.23 For all have sinned; all fall short of God's glorious standard.

1John.1.7 - 10
But if we are living in the light of God's presence, just as Christ is, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from every sin.
If we say we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and refusing to accept the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us from every wrong.
If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.

Jas.5.16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

Jas.3.2 We all make many mistakes, but those who control their tongues can also control themselves in every other way.

Jas.5.19 - 20
My dear brothers and sisters, if anyone among you wanders away from the truth and is brought back again, you can be sure that the one who brings that person back will save that sinner from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins.


And finally Jesus said in Matt.18.15 - 17
"If another believer sins against you, go privately and point out the fault. If the other person listens and confesses it, you have won that person back. But if you are unsuccessful, take one or two others with you and go back again, so that everything you say may be confirmed by two or three witnesses. If that person still refuses to listen, take your case to the church. If the church decides you are right, but the other person won't accept it, treat that person as a pagan or a corrupt tax collector.

🙏🏾 ✌🏾

You're still using the same verses to support the warped theology

The Bible was pieced together through POLITICS AND POWER

erniok:
Isa 53 also happened since the prophet used past tenses right? This shows you know nothing about prophecies. The prophecies about the messiah in psalm using past tenses were also never about him.

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let us also look at Isaiah 53 shall we.

i will put it in perspective..without the verses. the whole narrative started from the last line of Isaiah 52.
lets check it out.

So shall he cast down many nations; [b]kings [/b]shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed. Who would have believed our report, and to whom was the arm of the Lord revealed? And he came up like a sapling before it, and like a root from dry ground, he had neither form nor comeliness; and we saw him that he had no appearance. Now shall we desire him? Despised and rejected by men, a man of pains and accustomed to illness, and as one who hides his face from us, despised and we held him of no account. Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains-he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by God and oppressed.But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed.

i have removed the verse numbers for you to read it as it was written by Isaiah, it is the kings of the earth that are soliloquizing..when they witness the salvation and redemption of Israel. when they heard it...after shorting their mouth in disbelief, that is what they would now say. so Isaiah 53 is a soliloquy.

Lukuluku69:
Bidaah is innovation in Religion. Like doing what is clearly not done by The Prophet nor commanded to be done and it will be rejected.

Now, coming to the image of God, there is nothing Comparable to the Image of God that man can ever conceive in his mind and thinking. No eyes has seen him and no thoughts has conceive Him. So, in His Nature, we leave off our imagination and only describe Him only in the Ways He has described Himself. But, in His Attributes, He enjoined us to be Merciful, Kind, Loving, Forgiving, Benevolent etc.

That's is the Image of God that's preached in Islam and not the Physical attributes of Men/Man.

What do you call adding to your scripture what is not there?

You still have not provided a cogent passage to back up your claims
Your chapter that you referenced is not anywhere close to it. In fact, the last verse is a direct lift of Isaiah 46v5. Nothing there connotes Image. So if you're preaching Image to connote attribute in Islam then you're preaching in error!

It's doctrinally weak to connot image as an aspiration or concept to be attained through striving. An image is not something to aspire to. It's an occurrence that's non-attainable. It is not obtained by merit or benefit. It is a symbolic metaphor with little or no significance in terms of substance. You can be a splitting image of your father and be far apart from him in character, attribute and personality.

And the image of man was not conceived in the human mind. Indeed, by the amount of both our scriptures, it was conceived in the mind of God so you're correct to say the image of God cannot be conceived with the human mind. It leads further credence to the fact that man was made in God's image just as your hadith agrees with the bible.

Lukuluku69:
Don't you read in the Bible that God will stop sending Prophets at a point in time?

Of course God still care about the world as He has always do by sending Prophets to correct Man's way, He said He will stop sending when He wishes. And God does what He wishes!

Can you share the verse where God said such?
The gift of prophecy is one of the nine gifts of the Holy spirit as established in 1 Corinthians 12vs10. So there's no such thing in the Bible as stop sending Prophets
At least as a Nigerian you'll have heard of notable Prophets of God such as Obadare and Iginla

Kukutente23:
Can you share the verse where God said such?
The gift of prophecy is one of the nine gifts of the Holy spirit as established in 1 Corinthians 12vs10. So there's no such thing in the Bible as stop sending Prophets
At least as a Nigerian you'll have heard of notable Prophets of God such as Obadare and Iginla

Any evidence for this?

Globad:
You're still using the same verses to support the warped theology

warped? Because people make mistakes and can repent and ask for forgiveness? That's warped to you?

aribisala0:
Any evidence for this?

Can't you see the evidence or are you blind?

Kukutente23:
Can you share the verse where God said such?
The gift of prophecy is one of the nine gifts of the Holy spirit as established in 1 Corinthians 12vs10. So there's no such thing in the Bible as stop sending Prophets
At least as a Nigerian you'll have heard of notable Prophets of God such as Obadare and Iginla

Of all Christians I have encountered here on Nairaland, I would say you are top notch. Not overly given to emotions, you are clear headed and I love that.

That said, there are verses from the Bible that says and suggests that Prophecies will cease at some point in time.

Of course I will share them but we will always run into issues with their interpretation.

The Book of Corinthians yo quoted was written by Paul who never made a claim to Prophecies but only his encounter with the Risen Jesus.

And Obadare or Iginla are no Prophets of God. They only have a deeper meaning I would say of what everyone of us read from the Scriptures.

sonmvayina:
let us also look at Isaiah 53 shall we.

i will put it in perspective..without the verses. the whole narrative started from the last line of Isaiah 52.
lets check it out.

So shall he cast down many nations; [b]kings [/b]shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed. Who would have believed our report, and to whom was the arm of the Lord revealed? And he came up like a sapling before it, and like a root from dry ground, he had neither form nor comeliness; and we saw him that he had no appearance. Now shall we desire him? Despised and rejected by men, a man of pains and accustomed to illness, and as one who hides his face from us, despised and we held him of no account. Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains-he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by God and oppressed.But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed.

i have removed the verse numbers for you to read it as it was written by Isaiah, it is the kings of the earth that are soliloquizing..when they witness the salvation and redemption of Israel. when they heard it...after shorting their mouth in disbelief, that is what they would now say. so Isaiah 53 is a soliloquy.

Isa 53 that was about the messiah is a what again? I'm done with this conversation as you really need to understand prophecies.

gohf:
warped? Because people make mistakes and can repent and ask for forgiveness? That's warped to you?

Don't change the subject. It is not simply about forgiveness

Of course, forgiveness is older than Christianity or Christian teachings. No?

We're talking about the absurdity in the teaching that God gave birth to Himself and killed Himself in order for forgiveness to happen.

Imagine if this was the teaching by African traditional religions?

Kukutente23:
What do you call adding to your scripture what is not there?

You still have not provided a cogent passage to back up your claims
Your chapter that you referenced is not anywhere close to it. In fact, the last verse is a direct lift of Isaiah 46v5. Nothing there connotes Image. So if you're preaching Image to connote attribute in Islam then you're preaching in error!

It's doctrinally weak to connot image as an aspiration or concept to be attained through striving. An image is not something to aspire to. It's an occurrence that's non-attainable. It is not obtained by merit or benefit. It is a symbolic metaphor with little or no significance in terms of substance. You can be a splitting image of your father and be far apart from him in character, attribute and personality.

And the image of man was not conceived in the human mind. Indeed, by the amount of both our scriptures, it was conceived in the mind of God so you're correct to say the image of God cannot be conceived with the human mind. It leads further credence to the fact that man was made in God's image just as your hadith agrees with the bible.

God has never taken the human form nor will take the Human form. To say, God took the human form to solve human problem is of Pagan origin.

In that Chapter I referenced, we are taught that God begets not and neither was He begotten and nothing is comparable to him.

That alone is enough for me, because the moment I start to attributes physical attributes to the Godhead, it limits and set a boundary to His immense greatness which my Human mind can't comprehend nor will ever comprehend.

The moment, I see God in Humans (no matter how glorified) or in Animals, Trees or anything, with limitations then, I am missing the whole concept of God.

Lukuluku69:
God has never taken the human form nor will take the Human form. To say, God took the human form to solve human problem is of Pagan origin.

In that Chapter I referenced, we are taught that God begets not and neither was He begotten and nothing is comparable to him.

That alone is enough for me, because the moment I start to attributes physical attributes to the Godhead, it limits and set a boundary to His immense greatness which my Human mind can't comprehend nor will ever comprehend.

The moment, I see God in Humans (no matter how glorified) or in Animals, Trees or anything, with limitations then, I am missing the whole concept of God.

Actually pagans will never even envisage a situation where God will take on human form. Paganism is built on having little or lesser gods sent by God for specific purposes and given powers to fulfill those purposes.
The quran already ascribed physical attributes to God. Allah breathed in the quran. He formed man with his hands. He has feet and eyes as well. These are physical attributes. I think in your attempt to magnify God you have formed a mental cloud in which you want to fit God as unfathomable. But does God reaaly want to be unfathomable? Why would he reveal himself and his wish to anyone nor even appear to some if he wanted to be out of reach in terms of perception.
If you ask me, any human attempt to attain God's attributes in mercy, love, forgiveness and benevolence is blasphemy. If you say that the hadith implied that God made man to have same attributes of mercy, love, forgiveness and benevolence as He, then what need for God does man have when he already has the attributes that make God worthy of worship?
That man is in God's image is an admission of the fact that man carries the "container" of God. In other words, man has the primary fitting and semblance of his Creator. What man should than aspire towards is to be filled with the contents or the inner substance of His creator. Those contents are His attributes such as mercy, loving, forgiveness, benevolence, truth and justice.
That is the big task which man consistently fails at. The more a man is filled with such attributes, the closer he is to the perfection God had in mind for him when he created man

Lukuluku69:
Of all Christians I have encountered here on Nairaland, I would say you are top notch. Not overly given to emotions, you are clear headed and I love that.

That said, there are verses from the Bible that says and suggests that Prophecies will cease at some point in time.

Of course I will share them but we will always run into issues with their interpretation.

The Book of Corinthians yo quoted was written by Paul who never made a claim to Prophecies but only his encounter with the Risen Jesus.

And Obadare or Iginla are no Prophets of God. They only have a deeper meaning I would say of what everyone of us read from the Scriptures.

The verse you refer to does not imply that there will be no more prophets. It instead says there will be no more "prophecies". I hope you can understand the difference. Not all prophets, prophesy. But the prophets can be called into their office for other errands. Prophesying is not the sole function of prophets.
You have a right to decide if Obadare and Iginla are prophets by your own definition. But in religious circles, they refer to themselves as prophets and no one can take that away from them

erniok:
Isa 53 that was about the messiah is a what again? I'm done with this conversation as you really need to understand prophecies.

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. and in so many places, Isaiah told you who the servant is. why do you still looking elsewhere. see Isaiah 45:1-7 and 41:1-9. the servant was Israel/Jacob. Isaiah 53 is not a messianic prophecy. it is a soliloquy by the kings of the earth.

Kukutente23:
The verse you refer to does not imply that there will be no more prophets. It instead says there will be no more "prophecies". I hope you can understand the difference. Not all prophets, prophesy. But the prophets can be called into their office for other errands. Prophesying is not the sole function of prophets.
You have a right to decide if Obadare and Iginla are prophets by your own definition. But in religious circles, they refer to themselves as prophets and no one can take that away from them

Baba, I have not quoted any references on the finality of Prophet hood o.

Just hold on I will post it God Willing. . A bit busy

As for Obadare and Co, you can't and you don't appoint yourself God's Prophet.

Prophets are Choosen and not by self appointment, those ones appointed themselves.

Kukutente23:
Actually pagans will never even envisage a situation where God will take on human form. Paganism is built on having little or lesser gods sent by God for specific purposes and given powers to fulfill those purposes.
The quran already ascribed physical attributes to God. Allah breathed in the quran. He formed man with his hands. He has feet and eyes as well. These are physical attributes. I think in your attempt to magnify God you have formed a mental cloud in which you want to fit God as unfathomable. But does God reaaly want to be unfathomable? Why would he reveal himself and his wish to anyone nor even appear to some if he wanted to be out of reach in terms of perception.
If you ask me, any human attempt to attain God's attributes in mercy, love, forgiveness and benevolence is blasphemy. If you say that the hadith implied that God made man to have same attributes of mercy, love, forgiveness and benevolence as He, then what need for God does man have when he already has the attributes that make God worthy of worship?
That man is in God's image is an admission of the fact that man carries the "container" of God. In other words, man has the primary fitting and semblance of his Creator. What man should than aspire towards is to be filled with the contents or the inner substance of His creator. Those contents are His attributes such as mercy, loving, forgiveness, benevolence, truth and justice.
That is the big task which man consistently fails at. The more a man is filled with such attributes, the closer he is to the perfection God had in mind for him when he created man

Pagan and Heathens have envisage what God and gods should look like perhaps you have not been looking far and wide. The scenario you painted applies to the African views and not the Caucasians world views about The Pagan idea of Godhead.

The Zues, Adonis, Mythra, Baal, Vishnu etc is quite different from the African views.

The Africans only set up lesser gods as intermediaries to the Supreme God, the Caucasians Pagan actually depicts God according to their fancies.

Lukuluku69:
Menrion me when you quit lying to abound the Glory of God

🥱Save it for yourself. Like prophet, like follower🤡.

Globad:
Don't change the subject. It is not simply about forgiveness

Of course, forgiveness is older than Christianity or Christian teachings. No?

We're talking about the absurdity in the teaching that God gave birth to Himself and killed Himself in order for forgiveness to happen.

Imagine if this was the teaching by African traditional religions?

Is my asking you questions, related to your response, me changing the subject?

Did I tell you anything about God giving birth to Himself and killed Himself in order for forgiveness to happen?

Now what exactly is your question with you starting with imagine if... 😕

God did not give birth to Himself nor kill Himself, that's an absurd idea. I already told you clearly but let me repeat it well; God sent his son Jesus Christ, who willingly gave his life believing the promise of God for resurrection and God rose him up on the third day as a sign that God's word and promise is to, to resurrect and give life to anyone and everyone who repent from their sins, forsakes their wicked ways and do what is right and good, and love others.

Now I do not know what offense you have against Christianity or other religions or what you like about other religions, but none of them matter to be fair. no matter who you claim you are or what you claim to believe, if you do not repent from your sins and do what is good and right, you will die like the rest of us and stay dead till dead are judged.

But God gives everyone if those who lived before Jesus the freedom from death if they lived their lives doing what is good and right, out of love not wickedness and selfishness and other vices that have made many believe there is no God, no judgement and no justice nor love.

If you hurt others and are too proud to apologize and make peace or if you bear a grudge and can't even tell the person who hurt you so that they can be forgiven, what do you gain from such a life. To have it all but to lose yourself in the end, it's not and never worth it.

God's word no matter the time and age remains, repent for His kingdom is close.

Lukuluku69:
Pagan and Heathens have envisage what God and gods should look like perhaps you have not been looking far and wide. The scenario you painted applies to the African views and not the Caucasians world views about The Pagan idea of Godhead.

The Zues, Adonis, Mythra, Baal, Vishnu etc is quite different from the African views.

The Africans only set up lesser gods as intermediaries to the Supreme God, the Caucasians Pagan actually depicts God according to their fancies.

Still the fact remains that God taking human form is not paganism. There is no pagan ideology that says God takes on human form to offer himself as propitiation for sin

Gabrielshow24:
🥱Save it for yourself. Like prophet, like follower🤡.

& lukuluku69, indeed you mention varied quotations of a hadith where one probably Muslim talks about creation in his image and the other doesn't.

Very well what does the one stating in his image means? Christians are very likely to interpret Allah created Adam in his image to mean Adam is like Allah or Allah has a human form which is incorrect and in disagreement with the Qur'an and Islamic belief.

Rather, it means Adam was created fully formed, tall and complete, with the human faculties Allah honored him with.
Imam al-Nawawi (d. 676H) commentary on Muslim 2612) states tha scholars say the meaning is that Allah created Adam in the form Allah chose for him. He did not develop him in stages as He did with his offspring. Rather, Allah created him in a complete form, sixty cubits tall. This does not mean resemblance (to Allah), for Allah is far exalted above that.

I won't bother with other views in support as there will be arguments that these are a significant time after the Prophet pbuh and his companions had passed on.

honesttalk21:
& lukuluku69, indeed you mention varied quotations of a hadith where one probably Muslim talks about creation in his image and the other doesn't.

Very well what does the one stating in his image means? Christians are very likely to interpret Allah created Adam in his image to mean Adam is like Allah or Allah has a human form which is incorrect and in disagreement with the Qur'an and Islamic belief.

Rather, it means Adam was created fully formed, tall and complete, with the human faculties Allah honored him with.
Imam al-Nawawi (d. 676H) commentary on Muslim 2612) states tha scholars say the meaning is that Allah created Adam in the form Allah chose for him. He did not develop him in stages as He did with his offspring. Rather, Allah created him in a complete form, sixty cubits tall. This does not mean resemblance (to Allah), for Allah is far exalted above that.

I won't bother with other views in support as there will be arguments that these are a significant time after the Prophet pbuh and his companions had passed on.

As for your colleague he must have taken too much garri😮‍💨 or his sentiments overwhelmed him that he couldn't properly see🤷! You can see how many times I tagged him yet he didn't see it—very remarkable indeed😂.

Save the lies for yourself. The bolded are irrelevant it doesn't help you. Your ’scholars’ are trying to explain away the inherent flaw in theology that this implies. Probably, due to the ignorance of the supposed ’first believer’ that didn't know any better🥱.

When pressed further we see Allah has hands, legs, eyes, shin and some even argue he was seen by that ’supposed first believer(Muslim)’🥱. It's either he can't or can and not both! If Allah is incomparable then the physical Quran is thrown under the bus(obviously we certainly can't use it to know Allah)👀along with other things.

Gabrielshow24:
As for your colleague he must have taken too much garri😮‍💨 or his sentiments overwhelmed him that he couldn't properly see🤷! You can see how many times I tagged him yet he didn't see it—very remarkable indeed😂.

Save the lies for yourself. The bolded are irrelevant it doesn't help you. Your ’scholars’ are trying to explain away the inherent flaw in theology that this implies. Probably, due to the ignorance of the supposed ’first believer’ that didn't know any better🥱.

When pressed further we see Allah has hands, legs, eyes, shin and some even argue he was seen by that ’supposed first believer(Muslim)’🥱. It's either he can't or can and not both! If Allah is incomparable then the physical Quran is thrown under the bus(obviously we certainly can't use it to know Allah)👀along with other things.

Sadly you put too much effort in sarcasm rather than substance.

You’re trying to force Christian or materialist categories onto Islamic texts. In Islam, Allah is affirmed with attributes, but without likeness to creation (Q. 42:11). The hadith about Adam only means he was created complete, not that Allah looks like man. To accuse scholars of explaining away is shallow since every serious tradition interprets its texts. The flaw is not in Islam, but in reading with mockery instead of scholarship.

Kukutente23:
Still the fact remains that God taking human form is not paganism. There is no pagan ideology that says God takes on human form to offer himself as propitiation for sin

It is Paganism. The Greeks, Romans, the Hindus have all depict God the same way Christianity depict Him only but with minor variations.

The story of a god giving birth were foisted upon Christianity when the Semites took the message of Christ to the Caucasians in Europe.

There are many parallels in their stories and your story. The Triune God, God begetting offsprings, Gods Dying and Resurrecting litters their Theology. Christianity only borrowed it.

Do some Reasearch Sir, Christ was not the first god that rose from the dead. Osiris did that eons ago!

Lukuluku69:
It is Paganism. The Greeks, Romans, the Hindus have all depict God the same way Christianity depict Him only but with minor variations.

The story of a god giving birth were foisted upon Christianity when the Semites took the message of Christ to the Caucasians in Europe.

There are many parallels in their stories and your story. The Triune God, God begetting offsprings, Gods Dying and Resurrecting litters their Theology. Christianity only borrowed it.

Do some Reasearch Sir, Christ was not the first god that rose from the dead. Osiris did that eons ago!

This is patently false sir. See how you have deviated from claiming God taking human form is rooted in paganism to now claiming something else!

The Greeks and Romans never depicted God as being three or having A SON neither did they preach salvation from sin. I challenge you to bring forth where the religions you mentioned ever had such beliefs. The Roman supreme god was Jupiter and he had a father and mother. He ruled along with his brothers not son and he was the god of thunder and lightning. He had multiple children and siblings as well. The Greek supreme god was Zeus who had parents as well as brothers and sons. He was also god of lightning and thunder. In actual fact, Jupiter was Romans answer to Zeus and both gods do not have any semblance with the Christian God in any form or manner.

The Hindu god Shiva also has nothing in common with the Christian god.

In the Bible, so many people were raised from the dead so coming back from death is not peculiar to Jesus Christ in the Bible. The difference is in his ascension which only Elijah had done before Him in the Bible. Osiris is an Egyptian god neither Greek nor Roman

In the case of Islam however, a lot of Islamic practices existed in Arabia and Mecca before the birth of Muhammad. The pilgrimage, fasting the Ramadan, circling the Kaaba, giving alms and sacrifice of rams and goats, facing the Kaaba to pray etc were all practices that already existed in Mecca before Muhammad. Even the story of Muhammad's journey to heaven, already existed in Zoroastrianism and was well known in Arabia before it was lifted into the quran

Not only that, Islamic scripture is filled with stories that were directly lifted from the Bible. All the Islamic prophets bar Muhammad already existed in the Bible before the quran. So, it is safe to say they were borrowed from the Bible. So if the quran has copiously taken stories of its prophets from the Bible, and you say Christianity is from Roman and Greek religions, then it follows that Islam has roots in Roman and Greek religions as well

Kukutente23:
This is patently false sir. See how you have deviated from claiming God taking human form is rooted in paganism to now claiming something else!

The Greeks and Romans never depicted God as being three or having A SON neither did they preach salvation from sin. I challenge you to bring forth where the religions you mentioned ever had such beliefs. The Roman supreme god was Jupiter and he had a father and mother. He ruled along with his brothers not son and he was the god of thunder and lightning. He had multiple children and siblings as well. The Greek supreme god was Zeus who had parents as well as brothers and sons. He was also god of lightning and thunder. In actual fact, Jupiter was Romans answer to Zeus and both gods do not have any semblance with the Christian God in any form or manner.

The Hindu god Shiva also has nothing in common with the Christian god.

In the Bible, so many people were raised from the dead so coming back from death is not peculiar to Jesus Christ in the Bible. The difference is in his ascension which only Elijah had done before Him in the Bible. Osiris is an Egyptian god neither Greek nor Roman

In the case of Islam however, a lot of Islamic practices existed in Arabia and Mecca before the birth of Muhammad. The pilgrimage, fasting the Ramadan, circling the Kaaba, giving alms and sacrifice of rams and goats, facing the Kaaba to pray etc were all practices that already existed in Mecca before Muhammad. Even the story of Muhammad's journey to heaven, already existed in Zoroastrianism and was well known in Arabia before it was lifted into the quran

Not only that, Islamic scripture is filled with stories that were directly lifted from the Bible. All the Islamic prophets bar Muhammad already existed in the Bible before the quran. So, it is safe to say they were borrowed from the Bible. So if the quran has copiously taken stories of its prophets from the Bible, and you say Christianity is from Roman and Greek religions, then it follows that Islam has roots in Roman and Greek religions as well

Islamic dilemma 😅👌.

Allah didn't know any better.