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MaxInDHouse:
It's like your friend is here so you can start mimicking him meanwhile he's the one i was referring to on the other thread.

MaxInDHouse:
Child molestation that's happening in your own area or lies you are told about the most peaceful organization? Matthew 5:11-12
Well if there is no version of the Bible in which TRINITY is written it's OK!

FxMasterz:
Lol.

My friend, there are more peaceful organizations than the JW. But you see, the child molestation thing has made international news, and have really damaged the reputation of your organization. There are also other sordid facts about your organization that are not good for the ears.

In a nutshell, God is not a God of a religion. God is not moved by religion. Please check the Bible well. God is only moved by your relationship with Him. He is a God of relationships. That's why He is called The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not the God of any religion. He's the God of those three people who first related cordially with Him, and He's still the God of anyone who.gets intimate with Him through Jesus Christ.

FxMasterz:
In a nutshell, you prefer to go with one side of what Jesus said with His own moth., while I prefer to go with all Jesus said with His own mouth. Including what He said in John 14 when He asked Phillip: "Don't you know me Philip? Why are you asking me to show you the Father? Everyone's who has seen Me has seen the Father." Paraphrased

DoWhatThouWilt:
Please answer my question. 17th person caught in kingdom hall of Jehovah. Why are such cases rampant in your kingdom hall?

FxMasterz:
Okay, thanks for the clarification.
Please, Is Jesus King of Earth alone or of Heaven and Earth?

FxMasterz:
Lol.
My friend, there are more peaceful organizations than the JW. But you see, the child molestation thing has made international news, and have really damaged the reputation of your organization. There are also other sordid facts about your organization that are not good for the ears.
In a nutshell, God is not a God of a religion. God is not moved by religion. Please check the Bible well. God is only moved by your relationship with Him. He is a God of relationships. That's why He is called The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not the God of any religion. He's the God of those three people who first related cordially with Him, and He's still the God of anyone who.gets intimate with Him through Jesus Christ.

Janosky:
Why don't you study John 14:24 & John 13:16 to understand John 14:9?
I sent my Servant to meet you to deliver my message to you,my servant met you & gave you my message. Oga,do you need to see me his Boss?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said:
“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth." Matthew 28:18

Just as Satan also said:

“I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish" Luke 4:6

Jesus never denied Satan's claim but told his disciples that it's true! John 14:30

Does that mean Satan owns this planet?

NO its rulership was handed over to him for a period of time just as the rulership of heaven and earth was given to Jesus for a period of time the scriptures clearly says that Satan will be destroyed {Revelations 20:10} while Jesus will hand over to his God and father! 1Corinthans 15:27-28


The highlighted are misconstrued lies to blacklist God's Organization but since you choose to believe that's your own cup of coffee what everyone knows is the JWs we have in our area aren't doing such things!

FxMasterz:
Well, I don't think they're lies. There's report in many countries. Let's leave that, and let's get to the question.

FxMasterz:
The question has not been answered. I didn't ask if Jesus will hand over or not. You know, His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom. Everyone knows that. It's peace has no end. Everyone knows that. But that's not the question. Just trying to pick some issues with your handover point.

Back to the question. Is Jesus King of Heaven and Earth?

Janosky:
Why don't you study John 14:24 & John 13:16 to understand John 14:9?

I sent my Servant to meet you to deliver my message to you,my servant met you & gave you my message .
Oga,do you need to see me his Boss?

FxMasterz:
But that's not what He said. He didn't say, you don't need to see the boss. He said "Whoever has seen me has already seen the Father." He then went further to say, the Father is in Me and I am in the Father. Meaning we're One inseparable Being.

MaxInDHouse:
Your own insertion!

Jesus said when he feels different from what his father wants him to do:

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” Luke 22:42 NIV


Evidence they are not same person!

FxMasterz:
Clearly as man. Chai, how would you guys understand?
What's my own insertion? He Himself said I and my Father are One. Or you didn't also hear Him tell Phillip that whoever has seen Him has seen the Father?

MaxInDHouse:
He meant God sent him as His representative it's like Tinubu sending someone to represent him in your local government whatever such a person says or does is to be taken as what Tinubu would have done if he's there in person because he's the one who sent him.

FxMasterz:
Yup don't need to tell us what He meant. Tell us what He said. That's all. Who made you His interpreter?
We're talking what The said, and not what He meant. You are not His interpreter, so stop making such errors.

FxMasterz:
But that's not what He said. He didn't say, you don't need to see the boss. He said "Whoever has seen me has already seen the Father." He then went further to say, the Father is in Me and I am in the Father. Meaning we're One inseparable Being.

MaxInDHouse:
Aren't you the person who typed this?



So you suddenly don't want to hear the meaning but what he said shey?
Well what he said is simple but what he meant is the issue now!

FxMasterz:
Wow,I didn't interpreat what He MEANT, I only simplified what He said.
I and my Father are One can be understood in none other context than that oneness of inseparable ENTITIES .

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is enough evidence they are two separate persons not ONE!

FxMasterz:
But He Himself said they are ONE! You know Him more than He knows Himself?

MaxInDHouse:
You only need to say exactly what he said then leave it open for everyone to figure it out for themselves.
I believe he meant representing the one who sent him and as shown in his prayer he has his own mind {Luke 22:42} so the oneness connotes agreement not sameness!

FxMasterz:
That's exactly what I did. I only explained the English with a similar English sentence for simplicity.

FxMasterz:
But that's not what He said. He didn't say, you don't need to see the boss. He said "Whoever has seen me has already seen the Father."
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FxMasterz:
He then went further to say, the Father is in Me and I am in the Father. Meaning we're One inseparable Being.

MaxInDHouse:
There is one funny thing they always say:

"You prefer one side"

As if the scriptures contradicts itself.

Janosky:
Jesus Christ told them the scriptures can not be broken, but because of Trinity them no agree.

Janosky:
John 5:37, Jesus teaching
.." The Father who sent me,....you have NEVER seen his form nor heard his voice".

FxMaster teaching: the Father is Jesus.
Oga ,continue deceiving yourself



John 17:21-23
"that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us
so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me,
that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity

" they (disciples) maybe in us (in God & his son , Jesus)".

Jesus Christ shows you don't understand the scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
Please leave the English as written and allow everyone figure it out themselves!

FxMasterz:
No need to figure anything out except you want to add your own meaning as Jesus' interpreter. The statement is clear enough. "Me and My Father are One " Further buttressed by another statement: He who has seen Me has seen the Father.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said:


I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— ‭John 17:22 NIV‬

And also:


But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”. ‭Acts 1:8 NIV‬


The first says all disciples will become One just as Jesus and his father are one.
Does this mean all disciples are the same person?
The second says his disciples will serve as his witnesses.
Does that mean whenever people see his disciples they have seen Jesus?

“Whoever receives you receives me also, and whoever receives me receives also the One who sent me" Matthew 10:40
So if people have seen Jesus' disciples they have seen Jesus and whoever has seen Jesus has seen the one who sent Jesus!

FxMasterz:
All these are different contexts. Let's look at the very context of the "I and my Father are One" statement:

John 10:

"28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”


Note: He first said, no one can snatch them out My hand. Then, he said, no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. Why? My hand and the Father's hand are mine. The are the same hand because, I and the Father are One.

Let's go further:

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

The Jews fully understood what Jesus was saying, which you don't understand. See their response.

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.

Did Jesus deny the allegation? No. Did The say the Jews didn't understand what He was saying? No. He knew they were right about His claim of being God. But they were wrong to think He was a a mere man.