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simpleseyi:
Millions have been killed in the name of Jesus over the centuries. Millions are being duped into buying Mansions that Jesus already built in Heaven

Those were in barbaric times, we live in civilised times.

What do most terrorists proffess now, what religion?

I’m not sure most of these quotes are true. Eg, those attributed to Napoleon. No way that’s true.

simpleseyi:
Millions have been killed in the name of Jesus over the centuries. Millions are being duped into buying Mansions that Jesus already built in Heaven

I challenge you to mention where people were unalived in the name of Jesus Christ

simpleseyi:
Millions have been killed in the name of Jesus over the centuries. Millions are being duped into buying Mansions that Jesus already built in Heaven

Out of that millions, just list 10 where they shout "in Jesus name" and killed their victims; just like " uncountable numbers of terrorists" will shout Allah Akbar and killed their victims. If only what your religion does is to buy mansions without cutting their victim heads off or stone them to death, then; we will all agree your religion is peaceful and not pieces-full

Angel gabrailu gave Muhammad a revelation about things that were already in existence and documented in the bible hundreds of years before prophet Muhammad was born🤣🤣🤣.how comes almost all islamic prophets are jews ?
The only reason christianity is the most disrespected religion is because everyone is free to ask ,challenge and disagree on many things.
Plus the bible is readily written and preached in many languages.
They should translate the quaraan and hadith in english and preach it. Let us ask questions on sensitive topics an ordinary muslim will avoid

Napoleon wasn't a reliable man . He was a failure
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Sterope:
Again you attacking your God. You have an issue with Ishmael whom your God conferred blessings upon him and his descendants.

Genesis 17:20 – God says to Abraham:
“As for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall father twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.”


Yet you have the audacity to say otherwise against Him, despite God's blessings. I don't find it unusual with Christians, there is hardly any debate where you don't end up attacking God or his people because you have an issue with Islam.

FYI, you were wrong with your initial submission. Christianity has taken more lives than every other religion Abrahim religions. The issue with Islamic terrorism is heavily influenced and most times funded by Judeo-Christians.

Genesis 16:11 - 12 states that -
And the Angel of the Lord said to her: “Behold, you are with child, And you shall bear a son.You shall call his name Ishmael,Because the Lord has heard your affliction. He shall be a wild man. His hand shall be against every man, And every man’s hand against him.And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.”


According to the above Bible verses (Genesis 16: 11- 12), what does it mean when the Angel of the Lord prophesy and describes Ishmeal as "a wild man" and that his hand shall be against "every man" ??

CorperKola:
Depends on which testament yeah
Our friends that are stuck in the old testament
We can see how they treat their neighbours

Quran specifically told Muslims to hate their non-muslim neighbors

I love the Judeo-Christian interpretation lol. Now, Let’s interpret it without your bias:

1. Wild donkey not wild man: The phrase describing Ishmael actually means a “wild donkey” . Why a donkey? Donkeys are usually tamed and in servitude, and, according to the Bible, Hagar was a slave. But Ishmael wouldn’t be; he would be free and independent, reflecting the Bedouin lifestyle. See Job 39:5–8, where God describes the wild donkey as free and joyfully surviving in the desert.

2. Not all Muslim majority countries are Arabs genetically,: when people discuss Middle Eastern conflict, they lump all Muslim-majority countries together and label them as “Arabs.” Politically, that is right but genealogically and genetically, it is not accurate. Afghans, Iraqis, Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese, and Palestinians are not necessarily descendants of Ishmael, despite common assumptions about fighting or “wild” traits.

Historical and genealogical traditions trace Ishmael’s descendants more reliably to regions like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Jordan, and several other parts of the Arabian Peninsula.

Which again calls your claim about them being wild into question.


3. Finally, the grammar in the verse about Ishmael’s dwelling deserves attention. For example other interpretations:

New American Standard Bible (NASB): “he will live to the east of all his brothers.”

King James Version (KJV): “he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.”

English Standard Version (ESV): “he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”

chiboycue:
Genesis 16:11 - 12 states that -
And the Angel of the Lord said to her: “Behold, you are with child, And you shall bear a son.You shall call his name Ishmael,Because the Lord has heard your affliction. He shall be a wild man. His hand shall be against every man, And every man’s hand against him.And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.”


According to the above Bible verses (Genesis 16: 11- 12), what does it mean when the Angel of the Lord prophesy and describes Ishmeal as "a wild man" and that his hand shall be against "every man" ??

Sterope:
I love the Judeo-Christian interpretation lol. Now, Let’s interpret it without your bias:

1. Wild donkey not wild man: The phrase describing Ishmael actually means a “wild donkey” . Why a donkey? Donkeys are usually tamed and in servitude, and, according to the Bible, Hagar was a slave. But Ishmael wouldn’t be; he would be free and independent, reflecting the Bedouin lifestyle. See Job 39:5–8, where God describes the wild donkey as free and joyfully surviving in the desert.

2. Not all Muslim majority countries are Arabs genetically,: when people discuss Middle Eastern conflict, they lump all Muslim-majority countries together and label them as “Arabs.” Politically, that is right but genealogically and genetically, it is not accurate. Afghans, Iraqis, Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese, and Palestinians are not necessarily descendants of Ishmael, despite common assumptions about fighting or “wild” traits.

Historical and genealogical traditions trace Ishmael’s descendants more reliably to regions like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Jordan, and several other parts of the Arabian Peninsula.

Which again calls your claim about them being wild into question.


3. Finally, the grammar in the verse about Ishmael’s dwelling deserves attention. For example other interpretations:

New American Standard Bible (NASB): “he will live to the east of all his brothers.”

King James Version (KJV): “he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.”

English Standard Version (ESV): “he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”

Genesis 16:12 according to New King James Version is a prophecy delivered by the Angel of the Lord to Hagar about her unborn son, Ishmael, stating that he will be a wild, untamed man whose hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him. The verse describes Ishmael's nature and the future condition of his descendants as a people known for their fierce independence and constant conflict with others, but also mentions he will become a great nation, as seen in the verses that you mentioned earlier on.

Nature of Ishmael:
He is described as a "wild man". The term "wild man" (Hebrew: pere adam) can be understood as someone who is independent, untamed, and free-spirited—like a wild donkey in the wilderness

His Relationship with Others:
His hand will be against everyone, and everyone's hand will be against him, meaning he will live in constant conflict and hostility with others. 

His Dwellings:
He will dwell "over against all his kinsmen" or "in hostility toward all his brothers," indicating his separation and ongoing friction with his relatives and kinsmen. 

Fulfillment:
Commentaries connect this prophecy to the future of Ishmael's descendants, such as the Arabs  and Saracens,who were known for their wild and warlike ways, eventually becoming a great nation but often in conflict with other people groups.

I love the Judeo-Christian interpretation lol. Now, Let’s interpret it without your bias:

1. Wild donkey not wild man: The phrase describing Ishmael actually means a “wild donkey” . Why a donkey? Donkeys are usually tamed and in servitude, and, according to the Bible, Hagar was a slave. But Ishmael wouldn’t be; he would be free and independent, reflecting the Bedouin lifestyle. See Job 39:5–8, where God describes the wild donkey as free and joyfully surviving in the desert.

2. Not all Muslim majority countries are Arabs genetically,: when people discuss Middle Eastern conflict, they lump all Muslim-majority countries together and label them as “Arabs.” Politically, that is right but genealogically and genetically, it is not accurate. Afghans, Iraqis, Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese, and Palestinians are not necessarily descendants of Ishmael, despite common assumptions about fighting or “wild” traits.

Historical and genealogical traditions trace Ishmael’s descendants more reliably to regions like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Jordan, and several other parts of the Arabian Peninsula.

Which again calls your claim about them being wild into question.


3. Finally, the grammar in the verse about Ishmael’s dwelling deserves attention. For example other interpretations:

New American Standard Bible (NASB): “he will live to the east of all his brothers.”

King James Version (KJV): “he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.”

English Standard Version (ESV): “he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”

chiboycue:
Genesis 16:12 according to New King James Version is a prophecy delivered by the Angel of the Lord to Hagar about her unborn son, Ishmael, stating that he will be a wild, untamed man whose hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him. The verse describes Ishmael's nature and the future condition of his descendants as a people known for their fierce independence and constant conflict with others, but also mentions he will become a great nation, as seen in the verses that you mentioned all

Nature of Ishmael:
He is described as a "wild man" . he term "wild man" (Hebrew: pere adam) can be understood as someone who is independent, untamed, and free-spirited—like a wild donkey in the wilderness

His Relationship with Others:
His hand will be against everyone, and everyone's hand will be against him, meaning he will live in constant conflict and hostility with others. 

His Dwellings:
He will dwell "over against all his kinsmen" or "in hostility toward all his brothers," indicating his separation and ongoing friction with his relatives and kinsmen. 

Fulfillment:
Commentaries connect this prophecy to the future of Ishmael's descendants, such as the Arabs and Saracens, who were known for their wild and warlike ways, eventually becoming a great nation but often in conflict with other people groups.

BlackfireX:
Habibi

Please show me

At this level, you can't continue to remain dependent. You can make a difference by improving yourself in research.

CorperKola:
1 samuel 15:3
Lol
Kill the amalekites and their children and babies and do not leave even a goat or a fowl
This is what your lord God has commanded

Do you read verse 1 and 2

BlackViper:
You can't be using these outdated taqqiya tactics on us anymore😂

I feel your pain.

Kuginzi:
Globally, no human surpasses Prophet MUHAMMAD S A W. Peace be upon him, Muhammadur-rasulullah ❤️❤️❤️.

Mention 5 characteristics of Muhammad that makes him the best human

Why will somebody just wake up start deceiving himself?! Something that you and I know is a lie!

Sterope:
Common sense, dear. Would it be cool if I called you a thief and then a mob gathered to lynch and burn you?

What about handing you over for arrest, trial before the king, chiefs, or proper authority?

Americans don’t tolerate that nonsense.

Mrs common sense, in your earlier comment you outrightly said thieves and armrobber. You did say "if I call you"

olabrad:
Mention 5 characteristics of Muhammad that makes him the best human

Why will somebody just wake up start deceiving himself?! Something that you and I know is a lie!

You're not asking this question for knowledge sake but for the selfish interest you want to achieve and for argument sake

The character of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ
1. His honesty and integrity
The Prophet ﷺ was a person whose honesty was common knowledge to those around him. In fact, his clansmen had officially titled him al-Amīn (the Trustworthy).

2. His simplicity and humility.
The simple, austere lifestyle of the Prophet ﷺ is a major indication that his mission could not have been self-serving, especially when contrasted with the decadent, extravagant lifestyles of so many false prophets in world history.

3. His mercy and compassion
The Prophet’s ﷺ “character was the Qur’an,”[28] as described by his wife, ‘Āishah (rA). He ﷺ practiced everything that he preached, and since the Qur’anic message preached mercy above all, this quality was more pronounced in his practice than anything else. The Prophet’s ﷺ call to mercy was therefore not mere words, but rather teachings that he held to be sacred and felt he must embody better than any other adherent of Islam.

Mr Common sense

I didn't want to call you a thief....,,,,,.

How about I shouted thie...,,,,f at you and my people lynce....,,,,d and burned...,,,, you, without due process? Would that be alright?

FaAbData:
Mrs common sense, in your earlier comment you outrightly said thieves and armrobber. You did say "if I call you"

Rashduct4luv:
What Non-Muslim Scholars said About Prophet Muhammed (Salallahu alayhi wasalam)![/font]

Nepolean Bonaparte – Quoted in Christian Cherfils BONAPARTE ET ISLAM (PARIS 1914)
“I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of Qur'an which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness.”

M.K.Gandhi, YOUNG INDIA, 1924
"...I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and his own mission. These, and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble." YOUNG INDIA, 1924

Lamartine - Histoire de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol II, pp. 276-77:
"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls... the forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold, the unit of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words.

"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"

Edward Gibbon and Simon Ocklay - History of the Saracen Empire, London, 1870, p. 54:
"It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion that deserves our wonder, the same pure and perfect impression which he engraved at Mecca and Medina is preserved, after the revolutions of twelve centuries by the Indian, the African and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran...The Mahometans have uniformly withstood the temptation of reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level with the senses and imagination of man. 'I believe in One God and Mahomet the Apostle of God', is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honors of the prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue, and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."

Rev. Bosworth Smith, Mohammed and Mohammadanism, London 1874, p. 92:
"He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope's pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports."

Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, p. 4:
"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."

Montgomery Watt, Mohammad at Mecca, Oxford 1953, p. 52:
"His readiness to undergo persecutions for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement – all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems than it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad."

James A. Michener, 'Islam: The Misunderstood Religion' in Reader's Digest (American Edition), May 1955, pp. 68-70:
"Muhammad, the inspired man who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570 into an Arabian tribe that worshipped idols. Orphaned at birth, he was always particularly solicitous of the poor and needy, the widow and the orphan, the slave and the downtrodden. At twenty he was already a successful businessman, and soon became director of camel caravans for a wealthy widow. When he reached twenty-five, his employer, recognizing his merit, proposed marriage. Even though she was fifteen years older, he married her, and as long as she lived, remained a devoted husband.

"Like almost every major prophet before him, Muhammad fought shy of serving as the transmitter of God's word, sensing his own inadequacy. But the angel commanded 'Read'. So far as we know, Muhammad was unable to read or write, but he began to dictate those inspired words which would soon revolutionize a large segment of the earth: "There is one God."

"In all things Muhammad was profoundly practical. When his beloved son Ibrahim died, an eclipse occurred, and rumors of God's personal condolence quickly arose. Whereupon Muhammad is said to have announced, 'An eclipse is a phenomenon of nature. It is foolish to attribute such things to the death or birth of a human-being.'

"At Muhammad's own death an attempt was made to deify him, but the man who was to become his administrative successor killed the hysteria with one of the noblest speeches in religious history: 'If there are any among you who worshipped Muhammad, he is dead. But if it is God you worshipped, He lives forever.'"

Michael H. Hart, The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc. 1978, p. 33:[/b]
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."

[b]Sarojini Naidu, the famous Indian poetess says – S. Naidu, Ideals of Islam, Speeches and Writings, Madaras, 1918
“It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... “

Thomas Caryle – Heros and Heros Worship
“how one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades?”
“…The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammed) are disgraceful to ourselves only…How one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades….A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world; the world’s Maker had ordered so."

Stanley Lane-Poole – Table Talk of the Prophet
“He was the most faithful protector of those he protected, the sweetest and most agreeable in conversation. Those who saw him were suddenly filled with reverence; those who came near him loved him; they who described him would say, "I have never seen his like either before or after." He was of great taciturnity, but when he spoke it was with emphasis and deliberation, and no one could forget what he said...”

George Bernard Shaw - The Genuine Islam Vol.No.8, 1936.
“I believe if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring much needed peace and happiness.
I have studied him - the man and in my opinion is far from being an anti–Christ. He must be called the Savior of Humanity.
I have prophesied about the faith of Mohammad that it would be acceptable the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”

Know that today is Friday, so send a lot of blessings on the last Prophet of Allah! And may Allah unite us all in Jannah! Aamin!

you are posting and blushing about people praising muhammed, but when another person will write or say what they feel about muhammed and his atrocities, you people will start looking for the person to kill him/her.

Sterope:
Mr Common sense

I didn't want to call you a thief....,,,,,.

How about I shouted thie...,,,,f at you and my people lynce....,,,,d and burned...,,,, you, without due process? Would that be alright?

A thief understands the consequences of his act of stealing with arm, especially in Nigeria. You don't appear like someone a thief has dealt with before, I pray u don't experience those raw devil's, your view will change..

In America etc their thieves hardly kill their victims or torture them . Here a thief can kill u because of ir phone or 10k or ur bike. A thief here is different from a thief in America.

Here you aren't assured of Justice or proper rehabilitation of the thieves when handed to the authorities. This is not the case in your America. People that do jungle justice aren't animalistic

IPDGP:
Do you read verse 1 and 2

So??
How does that excuse total annihilation of a people
People have been fighting wars since forever, they win they loot, take slaves or whatever not total annihilation as the goal of war

IPDGP:
Can u prove that
Your Quran boldly support u killing others

While my bible even tells me to love my enemy

Here’s your prove:: Go to ChristianUniversalism
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Luke 19:27: Jesus calls for the murder of non-believers
Luke 19:27
“But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”

teniboss:
Here’s your prove:: Go to ChristianUniversalism
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Luke 19:27: Jesus calls for the murder of non-believers
Luke 19:27
“But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”

Dont get it wrong, Jesus was saying a parable there explaining what will happen to unbeliever on judgment day.
Jesus did not in anyway command us to kill, get it right