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Zionmdde:
I rather prefer pastors to be very wealthy with every means legal and honest
I want the person giving me financial sermon to be an epitome of prosperity

can you quote one verse of this financial sermon that is directed to Christians?

I believe simple means entails huzzling like the common man on the street and doing jobs like truck pushers. How Will they rich and mighty now attend the church of poor pastors? Or is Christianity not for them too?

Does Jesus statement in Matthew 19:21 answer your above?

King James Bible
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Zionmdde:
If a poor man buried him, how would Isaiah 53;9 be fulfilled?
Nothing wrong with a Christian who is struggling financially, in same way Nothing wrong with a very wealthy Christian. Both are all very important in the kingdom

I agree with the bolded.

Exousiang01:
The word BUSINESS actually means being busy
BUSY-NESS.
Business doesn't always mean selling merchandise

so where was Jesus getting money from since he was not selling merchandise?

OriOko88:
Na lie. Peter was rich in those days. Do u know how many countries Peter and Paul reached preaching the gospel. They covered the whole of the Mediterranean,north Africa and some parts of Europe. You think a poor missionary can cover those distance?? Dey play

So a requirement to be a missionary in those days was that one has to be rich? What of the contributions that were made by fellow Christians, was it possible that those contributions were used to support missionaries?

TradingGod:
God does not hate poor people but He hate poverty and poverty mindset

Kindly quote a verse that says the above?

TradingGod:
oga Evangelism needs money o

You need money to print tract

You need money to host crusade

You need money to buy bible for new convert

You need money to buy church land, build church auditorium that will host thousands of people

You need money to buy equipment that cost millions of naira

Do you think the money to provide all this will fall from heaven?

No, it will come through the members of the church and if the members are not financially boyant, how can the church run the ministry effectively?

So how do we get the money from the members of the church, By encouraging them to pursue material wealth?

femi4:
The man that carried Jesus cross and cornelius were described as wealthy

The narrator clearly stated that Peter was with no money at the time he was begged for it

Nothing about his whole financial status was stated here...Never add to the scripture

How does this concern the man that carried Jesus and Cornelius? Is their money Peter's money.
Peter said he doesn't have money, he did not say that he did not have money at that moment. You see you are the one adding verses that were never written.
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TradingGod:
God bless you my brother in the Lord


2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

These people forget that no christian, whether pastor or members is suppose to be poor once he becomes a christian

So the Christians who are complaining of poverty and hardship today under Tinubu are not true Christians?

TradingGod:
The sick will always be amongst us, but does that mean God want his children to be sick?


Besides if God does not hate poverty, then how come one of His work on earth was to give us riches?

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

So Jesus was poor on earth? I thought you guys always say that Jesus had a treasurer, do poor people have treasurers?

Truthseeker10:
can you quote one verse of this financial sermon that is directed to Christians?

Does Jesus statement in Matthew 19:21 answer your above?

King James Bible
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Lol
I want to know between Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon who was poor?
What happened to 2nd corr 8:9
3 John 1:2

So pastor should teach me salvation and Elon musk or dangote should teach my financial wealth

Na wa oooo

Ganjafama:
You've not answered the question, was he a wretched poor starving man?

Please explain this verse below.

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich

Zionmdde:
Lol
I want to know between Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon who was poor?
What happened to 2nd corr 8:9.

Non of the above names was poor.

King James Bible
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

So when Jesus was poor on earth according to the above verse that you quoted, did that make him unfit for your so-called "financial sermon"?

3 John 1:2

So pastor should teach me salvation and Elon musk or dangote should teach my financial wealth

Na wa oooo

3 John 1:2
King James Bible
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth

So when Jesus told the young rich ruler to give out his possessions to the poor, Jesus was telling him to do something that would not make him to prosper?

Truthseeker10:
Non of the above names was poor.

King James Bible
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

So when Jesus was poor on earth according to the above verse that you quoted, did that make him unfit for your so-called "financial sermon"?


3 John 1:2
King James Bible
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth

So when Jesus told the young rich ruler to give out his possessions to the poor, Jesus was telling him to do something that would not make him to prosper?

Unpopular opinion
1st the rich ruler couldn't have been poor in the end if he followed the words of Jesus. I know some people who sold everything to sponsor a project or program in church and today they aren't poor

2nd: Nothing is wrong with a pastor who is still struggling financially, same way nothing is wrong with a very rich pastor. I myself prefer to be under the tutelage of the latter

3rd
Jesus lacked nothing while on earth, so the minimum standard should rather be "lack nothing "

Finally in today's world, the gospel of a poor man will likely be a noise. Example is the morning street preacher, even the speaker he will use is money, so probably he will be shouting "repent" in a nosiy environment. Real gospel today takes millions to spread. If God calls a man. Things are changing and God is not unwise not to prepare and position his people to evolve with the evolving world...

Now tell me how a poor pastor in Nigeria can reach lost souls in india

Zionmdde:
1st the rich ruler couldn't have been poor in the end if he followed the words of Jesus. [b]

did Jesus promise him financial prosperity on earth if he followed him according to Matthew 29:11?

Jesus lacked nothing while on earth, so the minimum standard should rather be "lack nothing

Lol....so Christians can be poor....but they should lack nothing, right?

Now tell me how a poor pastor in Nigeria can reach lost souls in india

What should church donations by members of the church be used for?

Truthseeker10:
did Jesus promise him financial prosperity on earth if he followed him according to Matthew 29:11?



Lol....so Christians can be poor....but they should lack nothing, right?

What should church donations by members of the church be used for?

Luke 6:38 was a promise to givers

Yes Christians can be poor but that falls.below the minimum standard. Christians are not meant to beg for bread

Church donations you say? Who will bring the money na? So a poor pastor will suddenly have wealthy members, in today's world? Wake up bro
Tell me how a poor pastor can raise 10Million naira for mission field. You sure don't know how expensive it is to spread the gospel today

I repeat myself any pastor that can raise 10M for gospel activities is not poor

And the gospel of a poor man in today's world is more like a noise. If the man is unlucky, people might even call police for his arrest. In the same UK street preachers can be arrested for public disturbance, wealth pastors from Nigeria here are packing out arenas

tctrills:
How does this concern the man that carried Jesus and Cornelius? Is their money Peter's money.
Peter said he doesn't have money, he did not say that he did not have money at that moment. You see you are the one adding verses that were never written.
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I meant Jesus' body not cross
Read to understand not to argue

When Scripture describes a person’s financial status, like Joseph of Arimathea being called a rich man or Cornelius being a centurion of means, we accept that because the Bible itself makes it clear ,but in Peter’s case, there is no such description.

What we do see is his own statement in Acts 3:6 - “Silver and gold have I none.”

Since the Bible does not expand further on his financial situation, the safest and most faithful approach is to leave it exactly where Scripture leaves it, without adding assumptions.

Zionmdde:
Luke 6:38 was a promise to givers

King James Bible
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
So according to the verse above, Christians who are not rich materially are those who do not give?

Church donations you say? Who will bring the money na? So a poor pastor will suddenly have wealthy members, in today's world? Wake up bro
Tell me how a poor pastor can raise 10Million naira for mission field. You sure don't know how expensive it is to spread the gospel today

I repeat myself any pastor that can raise 10M for gospel activities is not poor

And the gospel of a poor man in today's world is more like a noise. If the man is unlucky, people might even call police for his arrest. In the same UK street preachers can be arrested for public disturbance, wealth pastors from Nigeria here are packing out arenas

If there are other Christians in India, why not support or exhort them to preach over there instead of the pastor going there from Nigeria?

Truthseeker10:
King James Bible
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
So according to the verse above, Christians who are not rich materially are those who do not give?

If there are other Christians in India, why not support or exhort them to preach over there instead of the pastor going there from Nigeria?

Jesus told the rich ruler to give, and I gave you a Bible verse that shows what the ruler should be expecting if he had obeyed
How does that relate to your "Christians who are not rich............." statement?

Tell me how a poor pastor can support Christians in india?? Be practical please

Truthseeker10:
So Jesus was poor on earth? I thought you guys always say that Jesus had a treasurer, do poor people have treasurers?

wetin hosea 4:6 talk again?

Truthseeker10:
So Jesus was poor on earth? I thought you guys always say that Jesus had a treasurer, do poor people have treasurers?

Argue with the scripture

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Zionmdde:
Jesus told the rich ruler to give, and I gave you a Bible verse that shows what the ruler should be expecting if he had obeyed
How does that relate to your "Christians who are not rich............." statement?

I asked you if Jesus promised the man material wealth if he gave out his possessions to the poor in Matthew 29:11, you quoted Luke 6:38. So according to Luke 6:38, are Christians who are not rich today poor because they did not give?

Tell me how a poor pastor can support Christians in india?? Be practical please

Do you mean that there are no Christians who are already in india who can preach in India today?
Why must a pastor in Nigeria have to Travel to India to preach if the church has no means to accomplish that?

TradingGod:
Argue with the scripture

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

So Nigerians who are complaining about hardship and costs of living are not true Christians?

Truthseeker10:
So how do we get the money from the members of the church, By encouraging them to pursue material wealth?

We get the money by telling them to play their part in furthering the gospel financially as a necessary sacrifice since most of them will be too busy with their work schedule and also because if they don't finance the gospel, who will?

Truthseeker10:
So Nigerians who are complaining about hardship and costs of living are not true Christians?

they are ignorant of the scripture and how to apply it to change their financial situation because if they should act on the Word of God, they will definitely come back with a testimony


St. Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.




Ask yourself how many Christians know that Joshua 1:8 is the cheat code to become successful in life?

Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Truthseeker10:
Kindly quote a verse that says the above?

show me a scripture where God hate sickness?


Besides if poverty is good, how come one of Lord Jesus mission on earth was to preach the gospel to the poor?

St. Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

femi4:
I meant Jesus' body not cross
Read to understand not to argue

When Scripture describes a person’s financial status, like Joseph of Arimathea being called a rich man or Cornelius being a centurion of means, we accept that because the Bible itself makes it clear ,but in Peter’s case, there is no such description.

What we do see is his own statement in Acts 3:6 - “Silver and gold have I none.”

Since the Bible does not expand further on his financial situation, the safest and most faithful approach is to leave it exactly where Scripture leaves it, without adding assumptions.

It's funny, you are arguing but you insist I should not argue anyway we have both made our points.

TradingGod:
they are ignorant of the scripture and how to apply it to change their financial situation because if they should act on the Word of God, they will definitely come back with a testimony


St. Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.




Ask yourself how many Christians know that Joshua 1:8 is the cheat code to become successful in life?

Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

So the reason why many Nigerians are poor is that they've not been reading and meditating and doing the word of God not because of bad leaders?


Below is Luke 21:2, 3.

2He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. 3“Truly I tell you,” he said, “this poor widow has put in more than all the others. 4All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”

Was the widow above poor because she did not read and meditate and do according to the word of God?

Truthseeker10:
I asked you if Jesus promised the man material wealth if he gave out his possessions to the poor in Matthew 29:11, you quoted Luke 6:38. So according to Luke 6:38, are Christians who are not rich today poor because they did not give?


Do you mean that there are no Christians who are already in india who can preach in India today?
Why must a pastor in Nigeria have to Travel to India to preach if the church has no means to accomplish that?

And I answered you that Jesus already laid out what happens to those who give, or did he tell the rich ruler that he was exempted from Luke 6:38
All I know is the what is written in the Bible is the final verdict,

I used India as an example, now tell me how a poor pastor can take the gospel to a country or a location where there are currently no Christians?
I want to know how a poor pastor can reach the unreached in places where the gospel is yet to permeate

TradingGod:
show me a scripture where God hate sickness?


Besides if poverty is good, how come one of Lord Jesus mission on earth was to preach the gospel to the poor?

St. Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

2 Corinthians 8:9 below.
9For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich

So did God hate the poverty of Jesus when he was on earth according to the verse above?

Was the gospel of Jesus also preached to the rich?

Zionmdde:
And I answered you that Jesus already laid out what happens to those who give, or did he tell the rich ruler that he was exempted from Luke 6:38
All I know is the what is written in the Bible is the final verdict,

So Christians who are poor are those who do not give according to Luke 6:38, even if they manage to give little from what they have, they would remain poor according to Luke 6:38 because they did not give much?

I used India as an example, now tell me how a poor pastor can take the gospel to a country or a location where there are currently no Christians?
I want to know how a poor pastor can reach the unreached in places where the gospel is yet to permeate

Oga don't you think that the spreading of the good news is a gradual process, and where does the bible teach that it is only so-called pastors who are the only ones that should preach the gospel?

parags:
Go and read the whole chapter . learn the context leading up to that verse .

It is seriously amazing how people are neglecting the weightier matters of the soul and focusing on the intangibles. Non believers can also be wealthy. Non believers can also be healthy. Yet they dont have christ. Invest , save, eat right , exercise . You don't need christ for that .
Jesus said in several places in the bible how things are more difficult for a wealthy person in kingdom matters. Yet somehow some pastors have made being in poverty an evil .

Smh Do you even know that Prosperity is your right in Christ?

When you are in Christ, you have access to wealth on earth just like Father Abraham because everyone in Christ is a seed of Abraham and heirs to the promise God made to Abraham and his seed

And guess what, Prosperity is part of those blessings, so if a Christian is still living in poverty, it's because he is ignorant of his right as a Christian



And yes, poverty is evil because God said that through Prosperity will his kingdoms be spread abi you think say to organize a crusade that will host thousands of people will come cheap?


Zechariah 1:17 Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.



And if the members are poor, where will they now see the funds to host such crusade?

parags:
Go and read the whole chapter . learn the context leading up to that verse .

It is seriously amazing how people are neglecting the weightier matters of the soul and focusing on the intangibles. Non believers can also be wealthy. Non believers can also be healthy. Yet they dont have christ. Invest , save, eat right , exercise . You don't need christ for that .
Jesus said in several places in the bible how things are more difficult for a wealthy person in kingdom matters. Yet somehow some pastors have made being in poverty an evil .

Smh Do you even know that Prosperity is your right in Christ?

When you are in Christ, you have access to wealth on earth just like Father Abraham because everyone in Christ is a seed of Abraham and heirs to the promise God made to Abraham and his seed

And guess what, Prosperity is part of those blessings, so if a Christian is still living in poverty, it's because he is ignorant of his right as a Christian



And yes, poverty is evil because God said that through Prosperity will his kingdom be spread abi you think say to organize a crusade that will host thousands of people will come cheap?


Zechariah 1:17 Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.



And if the members are poor, where will they now see the funds to host such crusade?