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JimRohn Say That The Qur'an Is Perfectly Preserved But This Is Completely False - Christianity Etc (15) - Nairaland

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Re: JimRohn Say That The Qur'an Is Perfectly Preserved But This Is Completely False by honesttalk21: 12:56pm On Sep 06, 2025
SIRTee15:
He did!!! Jesus mentioned the name[b] 'I AM'- Ehyeh[/b]
Jesus never called God by the name YHWH but instead called Him Father by the Jewish figurative sense of intimacy and obedience. The holy Name does not appear in the Gospel narrative following Jewish worship practice of not using its pronouncement. Speaking of the I am (ego eimi) statements of John, they were common Greek statements meaning I am he, and not an identification of YHWH. Jesus thus ever identified Himself as the servant of God and not God Himself.
Re: JimRohn Say That The Qur'an Is Perfectly Preserved But This Is Completely False by SIRTee15: 1:54pm On Sep 14, 2025
honesttalk21:
Jesus never called God by the name YHWH but instead called Him Father by the Jewish figurative sense of intimacy and obedience. The holy Name does not appear in the Gospel narrative following Jewish worship practice of not using its pronouncement. Speaking of the I am (ego eimi) statements of John, they were common Greek statements meaning I am he, and not an identification of YHWH. Jesus thus ever identified Himself as the servant of God and not God Himself.
Ehyeh and ani are not the same. We already had this argument. Jesus said Ehyeh in John 8.58, not ani. That's why the Jews wanted to stone him.

Before Abraham was, I AM. That's Ehyeh and not ani.

Jesus said I and my Father are One. That's a clear indication of divine status with his Father. U can't know better than the Jews who accused him of such blasphemous statement and wanted to kill him for it.

Finally Jesus made that clear distinction he's a Son and not a slave. Pls respect Jesus and don't misidentify him. U wouldn't like it if I do the same to your prophet.

John 8.35-36
Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed
Re: JimRohn Say That The Qur'an Is Perfectly Preserved But This Is Completely False by honesttalk21: 4:33pm On Sep 15, 2025
SIRTee15:
Ehyeh and ani are not the same. We already had this argument. Jesus said Ehyeh in John 8.58, not ani. That's why the Jews wanted to stone him.

Before Abraham was, I AM. That's Ehyeh and not ani.

Jesus said I and my Father are One. That's a clear indication of divine status with his Father. U can't know better than the Jews who accused him of such blasphemous statement and wanted to kill him for it.

Finally Jesus made that clear distinction he's a Son and not a slave. Pls respect Jesus and don't misidentify him. U wouldn't like it if I do the same to your prophet.

John 8.35-36
Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed
It doesn't require much thought to see that I am is clearly different from I am that I am.

It similarly doesn't transform to calling YHVH.

Surely there's nothing logical missed.
Re: JimRohn Say That The Qur'an Is Perfectly Preserved But This Is Completely False by SIRTee15: 11:58am On Sep 17, 2025
honesttalk21:
It doesn't require much thought to see that I am is clearly different from I am that I am.

It similarly doesn't transform to calling YHVH.

Surely there's nothing logical missed.
We just going around in circles now.

Ehyeh definitely means YHWH and it's pronounced as I AM.

pls do more research on the name YHWH.

U ARE YE TTO ANSWER MY ORIGINAL QUESTION

WHAT IS THE NAME OF YOUR GOD BEFORE THE ARABIC LANGUAGE WAS CREATED.

WHAT IS THE NAME OF ALLAH BEFORE PEOPLE STARTED SPEAKING THE ARABIC LANGUAGE.
Re: JimRohn Say That The Qur'an Is Perfectly Preserved But This Is Completely False by Gabrielshow24: 2:48pm On Sep 17, 2025
SIRTee15:
We just going around in circles now.

Ehyeh definitely means YHWH and it's pronounced as I AM.

pls do more research on the name YHWH.

U ARE YE TTO ANSWER MY ORIGINAL QUESTION

WHAT IS THE NAME OF YOUR GOD BEFORE THE ARABIC LANGUAGE WAS CREATED.

WHAT IS THE NAME OF ALLAH BEFORE PEOPLE STARTED SPEAKING THE ARABIC LANGUAGE.
😔He didn't have a name. He is a dependent god. He needs man for all his qualities 🥱. He even needs man to keep committing sins so that he can forgive them😁. By the way, he is a composite god!
Re: JimRohn Say That The Qur'an Is Perfectly Preserved But This Is Completely False by honesttalk21: 5:18pm On Sep 17, 2025
SIRTee15:
We just going around in circles now.

Ehyeh definitely means YHWH and it's pronounced as I AM.

pls do more research on the name YHWH.

U ARE YE TTO ANSWER MY ORIGINAL QUESTION

WHAT IS THE NAME OF YOUR GOD BEFORE THE ARABIC LANGUAGE WAS CREATED.

WHAT IS THE NAME OF ALLAH BEFORE PEOPLE STARTED SPEAKING THE ARABIC LANGUAGE.
You seem to make a fair point, but I wonder why it took this long for you to realise.

You know that the origins of YHWH are said to be connected to the southern regions of Midian, Edom, or Seir, before it became adopted into Israelite religion. There is also evidence suggesting that YHWH may have originally functioned as a storm deity within that context. The earth shook, the heavens poured, the clouds poured down water, the mountains quaked before the Lord, the One of Sinai, before the Lord, the God of Israel.Judges 5:4–5 and the voice of the Lord is over the waters; the God of glory thunders, the Lord thunders over the mighty waters.” (Psalm 29:3)

So the issue is how the storm deity's name became the unique name for God.

In Exodus 3, the phrase Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh (I Am That I Am) is distinct from the YHWH. Equating Ehyeh directly with YHWH and pronouncing it simply as I Am overlooks important linguistic and theological nuances. The etymology of the divine name requires more careful consideration.

Has God not been known as the one uniquely through eternity?

Our God and your God is One, and to Him we submit.Qur’an 29:46

Your Bible repeatedly emphasises God’s oneness. Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one Deut. 6:4 and many more.

This shows that while human languages and images changed, God has always been uniquely One.
Re: JimRohn Say That The Qur'an Is Perfectly Preserved But This Is Completely False by Gabrielshow24: 11:21pm On Sep 17, 2025
honesttalk21:
You seem to make a fair point, but I wonder why it took this long for you to realise.

You know that the origins of YHWH are said to be connected to the southern regions of Midian, Edom, or Seir, before it became adopted into Israelite religion. There is also evidence suggesting that YHWH may have originally functioned as a storm deity within that context. The earth shook, the heavens poured, the clouds poured down water, the mountains quaked before the Lord, the One of Sinai, before the Lord, the God of Israel.Judges 5:4–5 and the voice of the Lord is over the waters; the God of glory thunders, the Lord thunders over the mighty waters.” (Psalm 29:3)

So the issue is how the storm deity's name became the unique name for God.

In Exodus 3, the phrase Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh (I Am That I Am) is distinct from the YHWH. Equating Ehyeh directly with YHWH and pronouncing it simply as I Am overlooks important linguistic and theological nuances. The etymology of the divine name requires more careful consideration.

Has God not been known as the one uniquely through eternity?

Our God and your God is One, and to Him we submit.Qur’an 29:46

Your Bible repeatedly emphasises God’s oneness. Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one Deut. 6:4 and many more.

This shows that while human languages and images changed, God has always been uniquely One.
False equivocations at best, as the character of both are different. Definitely, they can't be the same!

Tell us another lie 🥱.
Re: JimRohn Say That The Qur'an Is Perfectly Preserved But This Is Completely False by SIRTee15: 2:28am On Sep 18, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
😔He didn't have a name. He is a dependent god. He needs man for all his qualities 🥱. He even needs man to keep committing sins so that he can forgive them😁. By the way, he is a composite god!
I just taya for the guy. All I ask is what is the name of Allah before people started speaking Arabic.

All he does is waffling up and down.
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