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owobokiri:
Lol,
NIWA is an agency of the federal government, you remember?
Lol
You have never done any sort of reasonable business in the east. I have businesses over there for ages,.. but you want me to beleive you on issues related to businesses in the east!

How are we going to have any sort of "logical" discuss when you are desperate to impose a narrative that the east is empty, which is nothing but a big lie!?

Exorcise yourself of your ethnic de-mons, then maybe, you can see facts and datas for what they are; facts and datas..

Again I said you should reason this logically..what's the population of the people in South East that 65% of the containers end up in the region?

Are you telling me they redistribute the items from South East to other regions?

What's the population of the consumers from South East. Forget about government agency statistics

Their son Goatluck Jonathan could not do it for them for his 6 wasted years, City Boy JAGABAN has done it in just about two years

ogaemma:
With all this money being generated, Tinubu still borrows left and right.
The useless Speaker of the House of Representatives have drum support for Tinubu senseless borrowing that generations unborn will come and pay.

Will you keep quiet? Why didn’t your brother Goatluck Jonathan genera the money in his 6 wasted years?

How is that possible when Ibos told us no other port outside Lagos is functioning?

kedeojo:
As close as portharcourt seaport to people but yet they come online to start crying give us seaport and we will leave Lagos and it will be empty. Why are they avoiding the seaport that is 100% functional and only pharmaceutical drugs are not allowed to pass through there because of proper monitoring may likely be defeated. On chest beating like thier brother who after telling to sue people but will not do when the people or person involved dare him to do it.

You are clearly scared. Remember its privately owned by Nnewi man it's just three months ànd breaking records. The death of Lagos will be gradual. It will be worse than Ibadan in 50 years time

helinues:
Again I said you should reason this logically..what's the population of the people in South East that 65% of the containers end up in the region?

Are you telling me they redistribute the items from South East to other regions?

What's the population of the consumers from South East. Forget about government agency statistics

Your laughable argument is simply jejune..
Don't know where to start to help you.
You and your government cook all sorts of skewed census figures to arrive at the conclusion that the South East is empty, then you double down with the argument that all South Easterners have eloped from the region into the beuriful South West. This is your narrative. You solidly and solemnly believe in that fairy tale. Your choixe! But those are flawed. We have been teaching you here on daily basis.., fervently too that facts will alway trounce propaganda. But you are heady. Unteachable!
Know these 3 facts though..

1) They South East is by far, the most densely populated region in Nigeria, if not in West Africa. Does that mean that they have more population than everyone else? No! Does that mean that there is a huge population of humans that have been deliberately left uncounted by the government of their socalled country during different census counts? Yes! Absolutely...

2) There is no dramatic movements of humans from the Southeast to the Southwest and there will NEVER be! The talk of Easterners running away in droves to the SW, is nothing but a figment of your imaginations. Folks from the South East who come daily to your region, do so because of the import dependent nature of the comatose Nigerias economy! The active seaports were intentionally located in Lagos. Importers and clearing agents have to live near the ports! Businesses aligned to these ports have no serious alternatives than to stay around the ports, especially when the rails to the east are dead and the roads have been made deathtraps by different governments policies..

3) Most importantly, you have to find a way to come around the "chilling" reality that apart from Lagos, there is most probably no other region that energises and gingers Businesses like the Southeast. For an ethnic supremacist like you, this may prove a hard one to swallow, but learn to deal with it. Because lets face it; you have no choice . Goods consumed in most South South states and North Central, emanate from that Aba, Onitsha and Nnewi axis. Do whatever you can to end this reality, we will find a way around it to prosper..

helinues:
Again I said you should reason this logically..what's the population of the people in South East that 65% of the containers end up in the region?

Are you telling me they redistribute the items from South East to other regions?

What's the population of the consumers from South East. Forget about government agency statistics

Yes nau. Even south west buy wholesale from Onitsha. You people don't understand commerce

kedeojo:
As close as portharcourt seaport to people but yet they come online to start crying give us seaport and we will leave Lagos and it will be empty. Why are they avoiding the seaport that is 100% functional and only pharmaceutical drugs are not allowed to pass through there because of proper monitoring may likely be defeated. On chest beating like thier brother who after telling to sue people but will not do when the people or person involved dare him to do it.

So, you think southeast doesn't deserve seaport?

Southeast deserves seaport. Not Lagos or Ibeto. That's the only way to ease businesses in southeast.

Yes! Southeast deserves seaport! Not Lagos or Ibeto.

owobokiri:
Lol,
NIWA is an agency of the federal government, you remember?
Lol
You have never done any sort of reasonable business in the east. I have businesses over there for ages,.. but you want me to beleive you on issues related to businesses in the east!

How are we going to have any sort of "logical" discuss when you are desperate to impose a narrative that the east is empty, which is nothing but a big lie!?

Exorcise yourself of your ethnic de-mons, then maybe, you can see facts and datas for what they are; facts and datas..

The south east is like 80 percent of Lagos in population and that is ok if you consider that it is around the same size as Oyo state. Anambra is the most densely populated in Nigeria after Lagos. The SE as a zone is the most densely populated in Nigeria. It is doing ok as it is. It can't pull more than it's weight

lawani:
The south east is like 80 percent of Lagos in population and that is ok if you consider that it is around the same size as Oyo state. Anambra is the most densely populated in Nigeria after Lagos. The SE as a zone is the most densely populated in Nigeria. It is doing ok as it is. It can't pull more than it's weight

@ the bolded..
You got that from Bayo Onanugas propaganda class of mumbo-jumbo!

igwebuike01:
Yes nau. Even south west buy wholesale from Onitsha. You people don't understand commerce

He wanted me to teach him basic business..
I am not going to teach him that for free..
He should pay for consulting fees. Dude is very close to those at Abuja so his pocket is well stocked..

Balkan:
this one is pained be ready to see more activities on the port

Port harocurt Port and Onne Port had existed since the '80s ..... wetin come happen?

Ibeto Jetty is now being used as a custom Point also, covering part of What Abonema Wharf use to cover ...... small thing begin happen abi?

But the big question is this, which manufacturing setup available to use the Port Harcourt ports and Terminal? All the business and importers in Aba and Onitsha industrial markets are supposed to use Port Harcourt and Warri Ports ...... so, what happened?

Onne remains a Free Trade Zone and Port for industries to produce goods there and export ....... where are the industries?
The Oil ang Gas Free Companies sef don run from Onne, ...... wetin happen?
Onitsha too want a dry inland Port so that they move lighter ship through the River Niger Tributary up to onitsha for declaring .... what do you think will happen?

Niger Delta need to think...... there seems to be no Entrepreneural Leadership in that particular Region me thinks
And ..... let the Governors go beyond paying salaries and paving one city roads or re-installing streets lights, they should move to industrial development of the area .....because so far, it is as if there is no industry producing anything to be shipped to other states and regions of Nigeria to derive revenue back home, are there no crops or resources, fish or farm produce abundant here to take advantage of?

Nothing stops a fish cannery, Plantain processing or Oil Blending plant, for instance, to thrive in this region of its raw material abundance ....

Niger Delta think ......., governors think ...., everything must not be political money bagging and Oil company patronage kwa?

(pls note: the real oil money is in Lagos and FCT, where the revenue pickers actually exist via other industries and products shipped into the Niger Delta market sucking revenue back to the producers in other states)!

Kewekubosineh:
So, you think southeast doesn't deserve seaport?

Southeast deserves seaport. Not Lagos or Ibeto. That's the only way to ease businesses in southeast.

Yes! Southeast deserves seaport! Not Lagos or Ibeto.

Lagos is not the busiest port in west Africa. Lome and Cotonou are far busier and their population is no where near Lagos.
Someone was saying yesterday that the busiest port city in the UK is a city of 30k people
There is already port in Onitsha but seasonal because the river is not dredged
Lagos does not have a monopoly of ports and port is not what drew population to the city. We can say the former status of capital drew population to the city

Over 70% of imports through PH seaports end up in Onitsha, the remaining 30% can be shared among other SE/SS cities

owobokiri:
@ the bolded..
You got that from Bayo Onanugas propaganda class of mumbo-jumbo!

If NIN registration, waec registration and etc is eighty percent of Lagos what does that tell you? The whole SE is not more than eighty percent of Lagos in population. That is just the truth

Kewekubosineh:
So, you think southeast doesn't deserve seaport?

Southeast deserves seaport. Not Lagos or Ibeto. That's the only way to ease businesses in southeast.

Yes! Southeast deserves seaport! Not Lagos or Ibeto.

But Port Harcourt was supposed to serve that purpose, and later Onne Port ......what still happened?

they are the closest point of the Ocean to South East and may Warri is closer to Onithsha. Even the so call Onitsha Dry port created is not deep enough for sizeable ocean faring vessels, it can only accommodate a transload

owobokiri:
Your laughable argument is simply jejune..
Don't know where to start to help you.
You and your government cook all sorts of skewed census figures to arrive at the conclusion that the South East is empty, then you double down with the argument that all South Easterners have eloped from the region into the beuriful South West. This is your narrative. You solidly and solemnly believe in that fairy tale. Your choixe! But those are flawed. We have been teaching you here on daily basis.., fervently too that facts will alway trounce propaganda. But you are heady. Unteachable!
Know these 3 facts though..

1) They South East is by far, the most densely populated region in Nigeria, if not in West Africa. Does that mean that they have more population than everyone else? No! Does that mean that there is a huge population of humans that have been deliberately left uncounted by the government of their socalled country during different census counts? Yes! Absolutely...

2) There is no dramatic movements of humans from the Southeast to the Southwest and there will NEVER be! The talk of Easterners running away in droves to the SW, is nothing but a figment of your imaginations. Folks from the South East who come daily to your region, do so because of the import dependent nature of the comatose Nigerias economy! The active seaports were intentionally located in Lagos. Importers and clearing agents have to live near the ports! Businesses aligned to these ports have no serious alternatives than to stay around the ports, especially when the rails to the east are dead and the roads have been made deathtraps by different governments policies..

3) Most importantly, you have to find a way to come around the "chilling" reality that apart from Lagos, there is most probably no other region that energises and gingers Businesses like the Southeast. For an ethnic supremacist like you, this may prove a hard one to swallow, but learn to deal with it. Because lets face it; you have no choice . Goods consumed in most South South states and North Central, emanate from that Aba, Onitsha and Nnewi axis. Do whatever you can to end this reality, we will find a way around it to prosper..

What happened to the Port harcourt, Warri ,Sapele old port or the Onne Port... are they nor suitable for the East to explore?
I realy wish to know? I seem to understand they were all created long ago to serve that axis, why only Lagos would thrive? something seems to mix well there for them.

Moreover, I dont think anyone in southwest takea a supremacy stand in business agaist the east, i feel they synergise so far ..... forget some small boys ranting ethnic views here and there ..... the rreal business guys accross the regions synergises wella ... their focus is on business and not politics or biases, I have seen that plenty, even around Port Harcourt and Warri (Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa and middle-belt business guys are together always, they dont meddle in politics and biases)

lawani:
If NIN registration, waec registration and etc is eighty percent of Lagos what does that tell you? The whole SE is not more than eighty percent of Lagos in population. That is just the truth

Can you show us the WAEC or JAMB registrations that confirm 80% are from Lagos?

I'm waiting..
DON'T RUN!!!

sunnyprof:
What happened to the Port harcourt, Warri ,Sapele old port or the Onne Port... are they nor suitable for the East to explore?
I realy wish to know? I seem to understand they were all created long ago to serve that axis, why only Lagos would thrive? something seems to mix well there for them.

Moreover, I dont think anyone in southwest takea a supremacy stand in business agaist the east, i feel they synergise so far ..... forget some small boys ranting ethnic views here and there ..... the rreal business guys accross the regions synergises wella ... their focus is on business and not politics or biases, I have seen that plenty, even around Port Harcourt and Warri (Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa and middle-belt business guys are together always, they dont meddle in politics and biases)

I mentioned this earlier:

Remove all the administrative charges and regulations added by the federal government that make it costlier to clear your goods at eastern ports and watch folks leave in droves from your Lagos. Almost all ships berthing in Nigeria must first stop in Lagos ports before heading towards the east thereby adding to the amount in dollars quoted as your freight charges. That practice has been in place since 1966. All those administrative charges makes the cost of clearing goods in the east to be costlier when compared to containers cleared at Lagos.

The ugly truth is that the federal governments uses all sorts of charges and rates to make it easier for shipping companies to land their freights in Lagos. It is costlier for shipping companies to go to Eastern ports when compared to the ports in the south west.

This has been the case since the late 60s. It was part of the embargo during the war but continued thereafter in different formats. The initial premise was that those shipments to the east, have to be examined in neutral grounds. Lagos was the socalled neutral grounds. As a result, ships needed to land first in Lagos before heading towards the east with other consignments.

Somehow, federal Nigeria institutionalised this policy through different tarrif hikes and charges that make freights discharged in the east to be costlier that similar consignments discharged in Lagos ports. Most foreign shippers will literally beg you to allow them unload at say Tin Can rather than go to say Onne. Don't take my words for it. Ask anyone who ships from China regularly. They never want to go to the east BECAUSE IF THE COSTS, unless realities force them. The newspapers in Nigeria are busy trying to frame this as a result of "insecurity", but I can assure you that even in the 70s and 80s and early 90s(before the advent of the Niger Delta militancy), this was also the case.

Below is an old Thisday report that tried to capture the disparities in freight and clearing charges but still managed to somehow lump in the non issue of "security" into their analysis. As far as I am concerned, the issue of piracy/security is nothing but a convenient excuse to drive home a dangerous policy that has rendered the eastern economy almost totally dependent on that of the southwest..

The shallow draught of water leading to ports like Calabar, Anakebe stated, restricts bigger vessels with capacity to achieve economy of scale (by hauling huge number of cargo at once), from berthing at some Eastern ports. He also observed that high cost of freight is another reason Eastern seaports are less competitive than Lagos.

For instance, if it cost an average of $2,000 and $3,000 as freight charge on 20 feet and 40 feet containers to come from China to Lagos, it would cost about $4,000 to $6,000 to bring the same sizes of containers from China to any ports in the Eastern Nigeria.

LINK:

https://businessday.ng/backpage/article/nigerians-prefer-ports-lagos-cargo-destination/

owobokiri:
Can you show us the WAEC or JAMB registrations that confirm 80% are from Lagos?

I'm waiting..
DON'T RUN!!!

This is a thread about NIN showing Lagos to be over 12 million and the SE over 10 million. I will find the table on waec registration soon

https://www.nairaland.com/8376120/list-igerias-nin-enrollment-across

I KNEW SOMEONE LIKE YOU WILL SHOW UP.
CONVERT THAT AMOUNT TO DOLLAR AND ANSWER YOURSELF AS YOU PEOPLE ALWAYS LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITY TO PROJECT WHAT'S NOT.

ogaemma:
With all this money being generated, Tinubu still borrows left and right.
The useless Speaker of the House of Representatives have drum support for Tinubu senseless borrowing that generations unborn will come and pay.

At whose expenses? Is the business man not going to add the levies to his goods and make sure the common Nigerian buyer pays through his nose.

When you Agbadomudeens jump up to celebrate high generation of revenue by Govt. agencies do you really know what you doing?

You are invariably celebrating extortion, this is the reason prices of goods never come down whenever they go up.

As you celebrate this high revenue generation, do not forget to celebrate the attendant high cost of food, medicines, etc that comes with it.

owobokiri:
Can you show us the WAEC or JAMB registrations that confirm 80% are from Lagos?

I'm waiting..
DON'T RUN!!!

I used to have a table that shows waec registration by states in a particular year but I can't find it again and the info is no longer online. However why do you think NIN registration in the SE will be 80 percent of Lagos if the total population is not thesame percentage? Everybody did NIN. Lagos might be up to 25 million now. Do you think the SE is more than eighty percent of twenty five million?

Dalohad:
At whose expenses? Is the business man not going to add the levies to his goods and make sure the common Nigerian buyer pays through his nose.

When you Agbadomudeens jump up to celebrate high generation of revenue by Govt. agencies do you really know what you doing?

You are invariably celebrating extortion, this is the reason prices of goods never come down whenever they go up.

As you celebrate this high revenue generation, do not forget to celebrate the attendant high cost of food, medicines, etc that comes with it.

Customs revenue should not be capitalized on. It should be more of wage tax, corporate tax, property tax and etc. You need a lot of tax revenue to lift any nation.

lawani:
Customs revenue should not be capitalized on. It should be more of wage tax, corporate tax, property tax and etc. You need a lot of tax revenue to lift any nation.

God gave you Oil wealth that only about 15% of the countries in the world has, yet you want to asphyxiate Nigerians with more taxes.

Dalohad:
God gave you Oil wealth that only about 15% of the countries in the world has, yet you want to asphyxiate Nigerians with more taxes.

The best example of how oil wealth should be used is Norway. They invest everything in a sovereign wealth fund now worth over 1.4 trillion dollars Norway has just five million people and their oil income is comparable to Nigeria of 200 million people

To be an efficient country with free education, universal healthcare and etc you have to pay half of your GDP as taxes. Norway is doing more than half

jahsharon:
Will you keep quiet? Why didn’t your brother Goatluck Jonathan genera the money in his 6 wasted years?

What was the foreign debt when Goodluck Jonathan left Government in 2015?
What is our foreign debt right now?
If you cannot answer this question, then your brain 🧠 is made of Gari

sunnyprof:
But Port Harcourt was supposed to serve that purpose, and later Onne Port ......what still happened?

they are the closest point of the Ocean to South East and may Warri is closer to Onithsha. Even the so call Onitsha Dry port created is not deep enough for sizeable ocean faring vessels, it can only accommodate a transload

You are on point.

But a seaport domiciled in southeast is the key to overall development of southeast because it will ease business faster. Not transborder transactions.

Say No! To Lagos and ibeto ports!

lawani:
Lagos is not the busiest port in west Africa. Lome and Cotonou are far busier and their population is no where near Lagos.
Someone was saying yesterday that the busiest port city in the UK is a city of 30k people
There is already port in Onitsha but seasonal because the river is not dredged
Lagos does not have a monopoly of ports and port is not what drew population to the city. We can say the former status of capital drew population to the city

Okay

Noted.

But a seaport in southeast will ease of business transactions. You don't need to go through Lagos or ibeto ports in Rivers State.

Kewekubosineh:
Okay

Noted.

But a seaport in southeast will ease of business transactions. You don't need to go through Lagos or ibeto ports in Rivers State.

SE itself is not sitting on the coast. The river port in Onitsha is operational but seasonal because the water is not deep enough all the time.