₦airaland Forum

Judolisco:
oga that's what I'm saying, Unionism under government owned agencies and institutions is understandable... Under a private firm is where I have issues....

IOCs are not government owned and good number of pengassan leaders are from there and there members are enjoying the privileges

Don't pray to work for dangote, I know a lot of his former staffs that have resigned to pick up contract jobs. Indians are treating people there as nothing and you don't want to to join a body that can speak for thm

chidiokay:
If Risk and likelihood of Death is the Scale of Renumeration

So why is a Dangote driver earning less than a staff pf Dangote in HR dept

How much is FG paying soldiers and how much is a councillor earning ...

If you must Argue, @least think before you talk

In saner climes risk x likelihood plays a good role in your earnings
Dangote drivers don't even earn up to 300k in this tinubu economy where that amount can even do groceries alone

So we are no down to FG paying soldiers as a benchmark. As I said before am sorry for that your lil brother, I believe he must have been sending put his CVs around.
Keep supporting a man who can't tangibly Raise his workers salaries when inflation went above 100%

maiunguwar:
Oga, Dangote said he doesn't want union in his refinery, you either accept his condition of employment or you carry your Nupeng and PENGASON to your NNPC refineries since you said they are not dead

I'm sure you're member of the cabals in Nupeng and PENGASON that have milked the country and held progress hostage

Answer my question
How has pengassan milked nnpc refineries
Am surprised you are not mentioning total, chevron, seplat etc. Is it only nnpc that you know?

Dangote doesn't have the legal rights to go against Nigeria's labour laws, if he had balls, why didn't he announce he sacked them because of union. In just 7days even UN court will be treating the matter

You people always keep supporting illegality and sure you will taste it

Kanixt:
Bye to unionism that doesn't help the Nigerian Masses, but it's members only. Up dangote

Are they not also part of the masses? Do they go to a different market designated for them only? Dangote go soon show una shege soon. Make him just get the Monopoly on petrol products wey him dey find...una go swallow hot stones for mouth. Dey play

Zionmdde:
Answer my question
How has pengassan milked nnpc refineries
Am surprised you are not mentioning total, chevron, seplat etc. Is it only nnpc that you know?

Dangote doesn't have the legal rights to go against Nigeria's labour laws, if he had balls, why didn't he announce he sacked them because of union. In just 7days even UN court will be treating the matter

You people always keep supporting illegality and sure you will taste it

Total, Chevron and Seplat don't operate refineries in Nigeria.
Dangote alluded to the sacked workers as saboteurs,we knew what he meant,if you don't know,na you sabi

Feelsgood:
Are they not also part of the masses? Do they go to a different market designated for them only? Dangote go soon show una shege soon. Make him just get the Monopoly on petrol products wey him dey find...una go swallow hot stones for mouth. Dey play

In a country with more than 50% unemployment, you got work in dangote refinery that paid more than four times our minimum wage, you carry unionism for head like gala go make trouble,no be juju be dat?
And besides there's nothing like monopoly, you can apply for a license to build your own,BUA is currently building his own in Akwa Ibom

maiunguwar:
Total, Chevron and Seplat don't operate refineries in Nigeria.
Dangote alluded to the sacked workers as saboteurs,we knew what he meant,if you don't know,na you sabi

So pengassan in upstream is not bad, but pengassan in middlestream is bad
Wow
Tell me more. Even pengassan president is not from the refinery
So according to you if Chevron operate refineries, they will not allow pengassan, na wa oooo

Zionmdde:
The injustice will sha reach everybody
A Nigerian employed Indians to be treating his fellow country people like thrash and people are here supporting it. Ask the working conditions of dangote's staff, nothing to write home about. No job security, no good insurance scheme

Now he doesn't also want them to join Union so Union will not start demanding that he treats his workers will

No wahala, the lawlessness and wickedness in this country will still reach everybody

I was there about 3 years ago for a project on the facility. I couldn't believe my eyes what I saw and experienced there. Coming from a background where we don't settle for less in the oil and gas industry...na only me advice myself to quickly leave that place. Safety wise(0%), Labour wages/salary/compensation na just nonsense for the Nigerian workers. Na the Indians and Chinese worker dey enjoy. I pitied my fellow Nigerians i saw working with little or no safety barriers to aid them work safely in that facility. Alot of people lost their lives on that project but the management suppresses that information from leaking out to the public.

Feelsgood:
I was there about 3 years ago for a project on the facility. I couldn't believe my eyes what I saw and experienced there. Coming from a background where we don't settle for less in the oil and gas industry...na only me advice myself to quickly leave that place. Safety wise(0%), Labour wages/salary/compensation na just nonsense for the Nigerian workers. Na the Indians and Chinese worker dey enjoy. I pitied my fellow Nigerians i saw working with little or no safety barriers to aid them work safely in that facility. Alot of people lost their lives on that project but the management suppresses that information from leaking out to the public.

Leave your fellow Nigerians
This is a country where we side with our oppressors because they have the loudest voice

Leave matters, dangote knows why he hates anything that will give his workers voice

Go to ibadan expressway and see what slave camp looks like

Same Indians are running dangote plants.

Zionmdde:
So pengassan in upstream is not bad, but pengassan in middlestream is bad
Wow
Tell me more. Even pengassan president is not from the refinery
So according to you if Chevron operate refineries, they will not allow pengassan, na wa oooo

Dangote is just one year old,he has transformed the petroleum landscape in Nigeria,we no longer spend scarce forex to import petroleum products, that means the naira is no longer under unnecessary pressure because petroleum products imports constitute the biggest drawdown of forex. We are also in the unique position to earn forex and further stabilize the naira because the refinery was also designed for export.

Una wan carry una bad belle from Nupeng come dabaru him business for am

maiunguwar:
Dangote is just one year old,he has transformed the petroleum landscape in Nigeria,we no longer spend scarce forex to import petroleum products, that means the naira is no longer under unnecessary pressure because petroleum products imports constitute the biggest drawdown of forex. We are also in the unique position to earn money forex and further stabilize the naira because the refinery was also designed for export.

Una wan carry una bad belle from Nupeng come dabaru him business for am

So how does his members being in pengassan stop him from doing all these Please be practical.

Before dangote refinery- naira was 1,500 to 1600
After dangote refinery it's in between
Tell me more about naira stabilization

Note am relating to you at the grassroots level because it's obvious you know nothing much about the Petroleum industry
For you info, the big players in the Petroleum industry in Nigeria don't care about dangote. His company doesn't even represent in any way when the big boys are talking
It's only because nnpc is government owned that's why they are even dangling with dangote. The likes of total, Chevron and even seplat don't care

owobokiri:
Can you show the reading public how the advent of Dangotes refinery has improved prices...?
That's is taking into cognizance the pump price of say petrol before the advent of this regime, compared to the present price after the coming of the socalled Dangotes refinery.
I am waiting.
DON'T RUN!

You should tell me whether you've bought the same fuel at the rate of 1,080# or not, before he started operation. Besides, I need you to remind me a time when you spent 30mins on the queue to get fuel at any filling station since his refinery began operations.

Rather than encourage more investors to come into the largely untapped industry, you are here encouraging the disruption of the only one available.

It's not just proper.

Zionmdde:
In saner climes risk x likelihood plays a good role in your earnings
Dangote drivers don't even earn up to 300k in this tinubu economy where that amount can even do groceries alone

So we are no down to FG paying soldiers as a benchmark. As I said before am sorry for that your lil brother, I believe he must have been sending put his CVs around.
Keep supporting a man who can't tangibly Raise his workers salaries when inflation went above 100%

Once again you lie !! the job/ profession with biggest hazard are Military/police, Zoo keepers, Fire brigade to mention few They dont earn more than Doctors, Nurses, Lawyers in developed countries ... what are you saying

Wrestlers,UFC fighter are more open to Life threat in Sport world .. But they dont earn as much as footballers or basketballers ..

Generally how many Nigeria workers are earning more than 300k sef, you claim to be realistic but you are not acting like you know 70k is the minimum wage

I thought you are educated, cos i dont know how you will Miss the Fact that " Minimum wage" is the main regulator of Remuneration across private & public sector, its more reasonable we focus on FG not Dangote

Dont feel sorry for someone you dont know, I dont have business with Dangote he doesnt hold or influence the standard or cost of living,

Dangote does business, pay Tax, contribute SR, creat employment ... how is he Nig. problem

chidiokay:
Once again you lie !! the job/ profession with biggest hazard are Military/police, Zoo keepers, Fire brigade to mention few They dont earn more than Doctors, Nurses, Lawyers in developed countries ... what are you saying

Wrestlers,UFC fighter are more open to Life threat in Sport world .. But they dont earn as much as footballers or basketballers ..

Generally how many Nigeria workers are earning more than 300k sef, you claim to be realistic but you are not acting like you know 70k is the minimum wage

I thought you are educated, cos i dont know how you will Miss the Fact that " Minimum wage" is the main regulator of Remuneration across private & public sector, its more reasonable we focus on FG not Dangote

Dont feel sorry for someone you dont know, I dont have business with Dangote he doesnt hold or influence the standard or cost of living,

Dangote does business, pay Tax, contribute SR, creat employment ... how is he Nig. problem

Am still sorry for your lil brother if he works for dangote, I know very well how they can't even compare to their mates in the oil and gas industry

Oga am not talking about entertainment here
When you remove entertainment, do that your analysis again and come back

You hate union abi, but you are mentioning 70k, if union didn't exist would government have given you 70k minimum wage

Mentioning 300k shows the level you are coming from no wonder you think you lil bros earning less than 500k is doing well
300k that can't even do only groceries. A 6months baby alone will consume more than 120k a month. Calculate pampers, Baby milk and come back

Nah am not educated but am schooling you. I can even tell you your brother's salary if you give me his name. Just 3 calls and boom.you get it

Zionmdde:
Leave your fellow Nigerians
This is a country where we side with our oppressors because they have the loudest voice

Leave matters, dangote knows why he hates anything that will give his workers voice

Go to ibadan expressway and see what slave camp looks like

Same Indians are running dangote plants.

So for how long will it continue? Can a Nigerian investor overseas treat his host's nationals the way Indian and Chinese investors treat Nigerians here in Nigeria? But we allow these atrocities to go unpunished. One day na one day....

Zionmdde:
So how does his members being in pengassan stop him from doing all these Please be practical.

Before dangote refinery- naira was 1,500 to 1600
After dangote refinery it's in between
Tell me more about naira stabilization

Note am relating to you at the grassroots level because it's obvious you know nothing much about the Petroleum industry
For you info, the big players in the Petroleum industry in Nigeria don't care about dangote. His company doesn't even represent in any way when the big boys are talking
It's only because nnpc is government owned that's why they are even dangling with dangote. The likes of total, Chevron and even seplat don't care

What will his members being in PENGASON achieve for his refinery?

The naira kept climbing since the time of Buhari through to Tinubu but stabilized when dangote products hit the market and still holding,why is that so?

In the locust years when we imported all manner of petroleum products including fake and dirty fuel,why didn't the big boys build a refinery or even managed the NNPC own?

Anybody that can come with 20B dollars to build a refinery anywhere in the world is a big boy by every definition.

Dangote can avoid Chevron, Total and the likes to source his crude from Angola,Ghana and the US and still remain competitive

Feelsgood:
So for how long will it continue? Can a Nigerian investor overseas treat his host's nationals the way Indian and Chinese investors treat Nigerians here in Nigeria? But we allow these atrocities to go unpunished. One day na one day....

For donkey years, Nigeria was the laughing stock of the world,we exported crude oil and imported refined products despite having four refineries that gulped billions of dollars in TAM. Where were you guys? Where was so called NUPENG and PENGASON? What did they do about the shameful situation?
Dangote refinery has come to remedy the situation and all of a sudden you're shouting Nupeng this, PENGASON that to do what exactly?
If you're not satisfied with his condition of service you can leave

maiunguwar:
What will his members being in PENGASON achieve for his refinery?

The naira kept climbing since the time of Buhari through to Tinubu but stabilized when dangote products hit the market and still holding,why is that so?

In the locust years when we imported all manner of petroleum products including fake and dirty fuel,why didn't the big boys build a refinery or even managed the NNPC own?

Anybody that can come with 20B dollars to build a refinery anywhere in the world is a big boy by every definition.

Dangote can avoid Chevron, Total and the likes to source his crude from Angola,Ghana and the US and still remain competitive

You talked about changing the landscape in petroleum industry, I told you he is not even recognized in that field. You could have just said changing Nigerian economy

Dangote is a very very big boy,.agreed, but he is not changing any landscape in the petroleum industry. Check nuprc 2024 report and tell me if he was mentioned tangibly there. You guys keep mentioning what you can't defend


Pengassan is not there to dabble into dangote's business or how he runs his refinery. They are only interested on how he treats his staffs.

So I want to know the relationship between nnpc fuel importation and pengassan. Or do you keep saying what you don't know

Don't worry pengassan is coming, and when they come, dangote should not cry ooooo. You don't fight such unions that way, more than 80% of pengassan leaders are not your regular Nigerians oo and they earn salaries in millions. They are not hungry and they will bring out time to deal with dangote. By the time they take the case to UN ILO that a company in Nigeria is boldly contravenining one of the core pillars of ILO, you guys should not cry foul

Zionmdde:
Am still sorry for your lil brother if he works for dangote, I know very well how they can't even compare to their mates in the oil and gas industry

Oga am not talking about entertainment here
When you remove entertainment, do that your analysis again and come back

You hate union abi, but you are mentioning 70k, if union didn't exist would government have given you 70k minimum wage

Mentioning 300k shows the level you are coming from no wonder you think you lil bros earning less than 500k is doing well
300k that can't even do only groceries. A 6months baby alone will consume more than 120k a month. Calculate pampers, Baby milk and come back

Nah am not educated but am schooling you. I can even tell you your brother's salary if you give me his name. Just 3 calls and boom.you get it

A recent report concluded that 90 percent of people in paid employment in Lagos earn less than 150k a month. Do we blame Dangote for that or the government or the workers?
What exactly is the work of the Unions

maiunguwar:
A recent report concluded that 90 percent of people in paid employment in Lagos earn less than 150k a month. Do we blame Dangote for that or the government or the workers?
What exactly is the work of the Unions

Now you have jumped into another lane, let me still clear you small
There is something called industry benchmark
Oil industry and banking industry is not the same

So pengassan will fight for dangote to pay their members based on the industry benchmark

I wish you will realize how childish it is to compare refinery workers with government workers

Research how well refinery workers abroad earn compared to their counterparts in other industries

Zionmdde:
The injustice will sha reach everybody
A Nigerian employed Indians to be treating his fellow country people like thrash and people are here supporting it. Ask the working conditions of dangote's staff, nothing to write home about. No job security, no good insurance scheme

Now he doesn't also want them to join Union so Union will not start demanding that he treats his workers will

No wahala, the lawlessness and wickedness in this country will still reach everybody

Oga no be by force for them to work in that Coy. They could go & start their own businesses if they like. No one is unduly supporting DF in this matter. Beside, what are the benefits from these so called Unions to the Nation. The FG once bought serries of Vehicles for them to run cheap Transport business for their members. Where are those vehicles today? They have been ran a ground which means they can't even manage simple businesses . But they can only be shouting on their employers & just making names for themselves.
We've seen one of their top members that rose to govern a State. What's his achievements while there if I may ask?

joefelin2345:
Oga no be by force for them to work in that Coy. They could go & start their own businesses if they like. No one is unduly supporting DF in this matter. Beside, what are the benefits from these so called Unions to the Nation. The FG once bought serries of Vehicles for them to run cheap Transport business for their members. Where are those vehicles today? They have been ran a ground which means they can't even manage simple businesses . But they can only be shouting on their employers & just making names for themselves.
We've seen one of their top members that rose to govern a State. What's his achievements while there if I may ask?

Don't worry, mark this post, dangote will soon be crying
1st, the people who drill the oil he is using are pengassan memebrs abi. You will know what happens when pengassan goes on strike. Even tinubu will show face from wherever he is.

2nd where he can get crude supply shebi the country is a member of UN and signatory to ILO conventions. He will get crude in a country where it is illegal and punishable to sack workers for joining union.


On this matter, dangote will back down. He will cry and back down. You guys should be prepared to cry with him when he starts crying

Zionmdde:
Am still sorry for your lil brother if he works for dangote, I know very well how they can't even compare to their mates in the oil and gas industry

Oga am not talking about entertainment here
When you remove entertainment, do that your analysis again and come back

You hate union abi, but you are mentioning 70k, if union didn't exist would government have given you 70k minimum wage

Mentioning 300k shows the level you are coming from no wonder you think you lil bros earning less than 500k is doing well
300k that can't even do only groceries. A 6months baby alone will consume more than 120k a month. Calculate pampers, Baby milk and come back

Nah am not educated but am schooling you. I can even tell you your brother's salary if you give me his name. Just 3 calls and boom.you get it

When we you be sorry for your for not graduating from college of comprehension ...
How many workers are earning 300k sef, you are so myopic we are talking what concerns All you are talkin my lil bro .... i wont derail to him

300k can buy pamper cant buy phone, thats One reality Buh what you have failed to acknowledge Minimum wage is 70k ... a lot of workers there salary no near 300k

You wey dey chochocho, Mr pity ... Naa 2m be your salary abi tell that to the ladies here

Zionmdde:
Small education for you
Union is strictly there to protect the interest of its members so you can't just wake up tomorrow and sack them for nothing without realizing that you are putting them and all their dependents into hardship

What is happening with all these Lebanese and Chinese companies is pure slavery and that's dangote's model. Unionism is one of the major pillars of the UN ILO

You guys can keep supporting injustice, it will reach everybody

You said
Union is strictly there to protect the interests of its members!

If the interest of its members means that they should keep Nigeria in poverty.

Nigerian unions and workers are often perceived as corrupt, incompetent, and not serving the national interest. The Nigerian unionised workers are antiquated and backwards, and refuse to be involved.

Nigerian unions are keen to keep unproductive refineries and steel plants (Ajaokuta) in government hands, with the knowledge that they keep their jobs and remain relevant at the expense of the entire country. PH, Warri and Kaduna have not refined a drop of oil in 25 years, yet the Union wants to keep these relics.

Nigerian unions have stalled the sale of the state-owned NNPC refineries for decades through industrial actions, legal challenges, and public opposition. Their resistance is based on concerns over job security, transparency, national economic interests, and fear of exploitation by private operators.


Key union strategies and demands
The two main unions representing oil and gas workers, the Petroleum and Natural Gas Senior Staff Association of Nigeria (PENGASSAN) and the Nigeria Union of Petroleum and Natural Gas Workers (NUPENG), have used these tactics to block privatization efforts:

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FG blames NLC for blocking sale of refineries to Dangote in 2007

Anthony Ailemen

September 11, 2024

https://businessday.ng/news/article/fg-blames-nlc-for-blocking-sale-of-refineries-to-dangote-in-2007/
/quote]

ogododo:
https://saharareporters.com/2025/09/26/dangote-refinery-says-few-workers-affected-sackings-over-3000-nigerians-still-employed

They should come and try Union in Qatar Next morning they will be deported. You can't even cough for several months of non-payment of salaries talk less the one that you are regularly paid.

No need to shalaye Mr Aliko.

Imagine building refinery for 20billion$ and some ediotas will come and be establishing cult on top your money in your own company.

Zionmdde:
Am still sorry for your lil brother if he works for dangote, I know very well how they can't even compare to their mates in the oil and gas industry

Oga am not talking about entertainment here
When you remove entertainment, do that your analysis again and come back

You hate union abi, but you are mentioning 70k, if union didn't exist would government have given you 70k minimum wage

Mentioning 300k shows the level you are coming from no wonder you think you lil bros earning less than 500k is doing well
300k that can't even do only groceries. A 6months baby alone will consume more than 120k a month. Calculate pampers, Baby milk and come back

Nah am not educated but am schooling you. I can even tell you your brother's salary if you give me his name. Just 3 calls and boom.you get it

Unions are merely intermediary, that they are referred as people mouthpiece ...its doesnt mean Nigerians dont have mouths We can speak for ourselves via conseus in absence of " Union"

i went to Unilorin, not under " Union" but i never saw my lecturer grumble or look unfresh due to poor welfare package that made me conclude Unions are relevant in a place of failed leaders

If there was no Union there would have being means govt n the people will dialogue afterall these politicians speak directly to the people when they want our votes

The 70k labour agreed with FG, is that what Nigerians wanted, at what Time have unions gotten Nigerians what they want, or meet expectations


LOL !! 300k cant do groceries Uncle naa Foreign garri n shark you dey buy put for house 🤣🤣

Let me ask you a question how many workers in your neighbourhood you think say dey earn 300k ... does it mean they are not eating or their children are not eating

Nobody is arguing with you 300k is a lot, But the reality is minimum wage is 70k meaning lots of Nigerians no even smell 300k in a month ... reality

chidiokay:
Unions are merely intermediary, that they are referred as people mouthpiece ...its doesnt mean Nigerians dont have mouths We can speak for ourselves via conseus in absence of " Union"

i went to Unilorin, not under " Union" but i never saw my lecturer grumble or look unfresh due to poor welfare package that made me conclude Unions are relevant in a place of failed leaders

If there was no Union there would have being means govt n the people will dialogue afterall these politicians speak directly to the people when they want our votes

The 70k labour agreed with FG, is that what Nigerians wanted, at what Time have unions gotten Nigerians what they want, or meet expectations


LOL !! 300k cant do groceries Uncle naa Foreign garri n shark you dey buy put for house 🤣🤣

Let me ask you a question how many workers in your neighbourhood you think say dey earn 300k ... does it mean they are not eating or their children are not eating

Nobody is arguing with you 300k is a lot, But the reality is minimum wage is 70k meaning lots of Nigerians no even smell 300k in a month ... reality

Nobody living in my neighborhood can earn less than 500k monthly, just to let you know. Change your circle so you stop thinking at the level you are

Union is optional, the law only states that, when a worker voluntarily joins Union, you have no rights to victimize the person. I didn't see pengassan forcing anybody to join

Zionmdde:
Oga petrol tank drivers are not pengassan members
Now answer my question objectively
How did the mechanical engineers, process, safety etc run down the refineries? Did they provide their accounts for people lifting products to pay into?

Can you have some sense? Nupeng members are petrol tanker drivers. Yes, the workers can sabotage a company especially when teleguided by outside evil forces. If you have run a business with n past you will know this.

maiunguwar:
For donkey years, Nigeria was the laughing stock of the world,we exported crude oil and imported refined products despite having four refineries that gulped billions of dollars in TAM. Where were you guys? Where was so called NUPENG and PENGASON? What did they do about the shameful situation?
Dangote refinery has come to remedy the situation and all of a sudden you're shouting Nupeng this, PENGASON that to do what exactly?
If you're not satisfied with his condition of service you can leave

If he wants Monopoly of that sector, then he should have sited his refinery where they'll give him that. He knows he can't do such except in Nigeria because of corruption which I believe he's a part of. He has to play by the rules... after all...he gets tax rebate from the same corrupt government he's been hobnobbing with

Zionmdde:
Nobody living in my neighborhood can earn less than 500k monthly, just to let you know. Change your circle so you stop thinking at the level you are

Union is optional, the law only states that, when a worker voluntarily joins Union, you have no rights to victimize the person. I didn't see pengassan forcing anybody to join

LOLzz,. your neighbourhod naa banana island 🤣 awon pocohantas neighbour

Change my circle for what, so i can live in denial of reality that Majority of Nigerians no get reach 300k for account ... when i am talkin reality its only reasonable i talk about the masses/People not myself
if i spend 98k on martell swift it is meaningless ... many Nigerians dont even see that in a month to feed .. i wont change that level of thought cos its the damn truth

Victimization and an dissociation are two different things, Dangote as an establishment dissociates from unionism .... the case of victimization is not admissible cos all staffs are affected i am sorry your reasoning is not Rich come clean