₦airaland Forum

wirinet:
Even if they sign it, it's would not hold in a court of law. You cannot sign an illegal agreement and expect the court to honour it. You cannot sign away your fundamental human rights of freedom of movement, thought or association.

You're right on this. Let's see how it plays out though. It's a big dilemma.

Zionmdde:
They don't need to mandate or force anyone
The UN ILO conventions are law in over 150 countries. So it becomes illegal to deal with dangote who is known for violating human rights

You think dangote doesn't know all these, why didn't he explicitly state he sacked them because of unionism

You think every country is like Nigeria that doesn't care about human rights violations, go and read the ESG policies of foreign companies and come back

You shifted goal post. i addressed your post that said "all companies abroad will be mandated to wipe his organization off their supply chain".

FOLYKAZE:
This is becoming messy.

Dangote should tread carefully. These guys are ready to fight dirty than stay out of business.

We just need to grow out of this Aluta, scatter everywhere mentally, if things doesn't work out way. Government should please disband NUPENG and their sister union PENGASSAN. You cannot just force private business hands to do what and whatever in their business. If you want to dictate, start up your own refinery, then you can control your staff remotely how you want. This madness has to just stop

What PENGASSAN is doing is to reduce Dangote dangerous quest to monopolize oil sector. Which he is allowed to have his ways, 1 litre of fuel might end up to 5k. Let's support these unions in oil sectors, they re there for our good. When Nigeria Labour Congress was pursuing for minimum wage last year, many people are calling them distractions. Immediately the new minimum wage is approved by the presidency, various employers readjusted their payroll immediately

This was exactly what Dangote did in cement sector. He killed other cement producers with fake local production capacity then thereafter after his cement competitors couldn't produce locally and they were out of business, he quick resorted to importation which is cheaper and he increase cement price. This is how he becomes richest man in nigeria and later Africa. Now he is aiming to be a richest man in the world

PENGASAN, the most hopeless set of people. They should be proscribed honestly.

This was exactly what Dangote did in cement sector. He killed other cement producers with fake local production capacity then thereafter after his cement competitors couldn't produce locally and they were out of business, he quick resorted to importation which is cheaper and he increase cement price. This is how he becomes richest man in nigeria and later Africa. Now he is aiming to be a richest man in the world
(Quo......this is out of bitterness and jealous. Let pengasen go and build their own refinery and do nonsense with it.

FOLYKAZE:
This is becoming messy.

Dangote should tread carefully. These guys are ready to fight dirty than stay out of business.

We just need to grow out of this Aluta, scatter everywhere mentally, if things doesn't work out way. Government should please disband NUPENG and their sister union PENGASSAN. You cannot just force private business hands to do what and whatever in their business. If you want to dictate, [b]start up your own refinery, then you can control your staff [/b]remotely how you want. This madness has to just stop

Controlling a grown up adult is modern day slavery

Zionmdde:
Dangote, it's time to start dancing the dance

Even though the news is not correct and it's not possible to shut dangote down as pengasson does not have that power

But they will soon play drums for dangote. You wake up and sent people home without caring how you not only damage their lives but that of all their dependents

He's a businessman, not a charity. He has the right to hire and fire at will.

They're not entitled to employment

It's only in Nigeria, a capitalist system, that people think like Marxists and Socialists.

davodyguy:
He has monopoly in Cement industry. He must not be allowed to do same with PMS. This man will kill competition and cry foul.

If you don't know him, you'll pity him.

Cement is ₦10,000 FGS

He should bring 👇

Where is the monopoly?

galantjoe:
What PENGASSAN is doing is to reduce Dangote dangerous quest to monopolize oil sector. Which he is allowed to have his ways, 1 litre of fuel might end up to 5k. Let's support these unions in oil sectors, they re there for our good. When Nigeria Labour Congress was pursuing for minimum wage last year, many people are calling them distractions. Immediately the new minimum wage is approved by the presidency, various employers readjusted their payroll immediately

This was exactly what Dangote did in cement sector. He killed other cement producers with fake local production capacity then thereafter after his cement competitors couldn't produce locally and they were out of business, he quick resorted to importation which is cheaper and he increase cement price. This is how he becomes richest man in nigeria and later Africa. Now he is aiming to be a richest man in the world

Continue to support your oppressors!

Neoteny:
He's a businessman, not a charity. He has the right to hire and fire at will.

They're not entitled to employment

It's only in Nigeria, a capitalist system, that people think like Marxists and Socialists.

He doesn't have the right to hire and fire at will. That mentality is why foreigners are treating us the way they are right in our own country

Employment is a contract between 2 Persons, once that contract is signed, you cannot terminate it carelessly as you wish

maiunguwar:
Importing crude is cheaper than importing fuel, crude is refined into many products. Disruption of fuel supply comes with economic and political consequences.

He is wailing on NNPC because he has a validly signed contract with them to supply him crude

Didn't he also sign a contract with those workers he sacked?

Let him import crude let marketers import fuel na, even with the naira sales of crude he is being threatened with imported products talk less of when he now imports crude

Zionmdde:
He doesn't have the right to hire and fire at will. That mentality is why foreigners are treating us the way they are right in our own country

Employment is a contract between 2 Persons, once that contract is signed, you cannot terminate it carelessly as you wish

Excuse me, are you saying if i invest my own money into a corner store, I can't hire and fire the salesgirl at will?

You're also wrong about employment contracts. Most glaring in the conditions is the clause that says "either party can terminate the employment at will".

Unions only exist to ensure the terms of agreement in the contract are dutifully executed for both parties: you earn an honest day's pay for an honest day's work and neither the employer nor employee will cheat the other during the period the contract subsists.

But I can resign my employment at will, and so also can my employer terminate my employment at will.

davodyguy:
Exactly.p

Some people don't get what Dangote is trying to do

Get Monopoly, kill other players

Then build other refineries to compete to prevent any monopoly, instead of blocking the only refinery in the country

adenigga:
Source: https://punchng.com/pengassan-stops-gas-crude-supply-to-dangote-refinery

Someone that bought 6000 trucks for fuel distribution is being refused the transportation of crude right? He just buy another 10,000 and bring crude by himself.

Zionmdde:
Dangote, it's time to start dancing the dance

Even though the news is not correct and it's not possible to shut dangote down as pengasson does not have that power

But they will soon play drums for dangote. You wake up and sent people home without caring how you not only damage their lives but that of all their dependents

What about the Nigerians buying fuel at 850, now they will buy it at 1000, so you can blame tinubu very well.

Softmirror:
The want to use PENGASSAN and NUPENG to get to Dangote.

While these two bodies never fought for our refineries to be functional so that Nigerians can have a life of ease o.

You made sense today.

ArcFresky:
What about the Nigerians buying fuel at 850, now they will buy it at 1000, so you can blame tinubu very well.

So because of that everyone should keep quiet and the unjustly sacked workers should be left to lick their wounds?

Neoteny:
Excuse me, are you saying if i invest my own money into a corner store, I can't hire and fire the salesgirl at will?

You're also wrong about employment contracts. Most glaring in the conditions is the clause that says "either party can terminate the employment at will".

Unions only exist to ensure the terms of agreement in the contract are dutifully executed for both parties: you earn an honest day's pay for an honest day's work and neither the employer nor employee will cheat the other during the period the contract subsists.

But I can resign my employment at will, and so also can my employer terminate my employment at will.

You keep arguing with Nigerian standards. Why don't you find out what the universal human rights law state about victimizing workers because they joined union?

I can see your mentality bro, pray to work for an organization that understands that they cant hire and fire at will. As it's against human rights. Next time you argue that, refer to what law relates

slivertongue:
Both should settle their matter for the benefit of the country

If Dangote settles with PENGASSAN, the Dangote refinery will end up like NNPC PH refinery. The Nigerian unions are the reason why nothing works in Nigeria.

Zionmdde:
So because of that everyone should keep quiet and the unjustly sacked workers should be left to lick their wounds?

If you can't sack useless workers, how can you operate an efficient business?

Look at the state of PH refinery

Zionmdde:
He doesn't have the right to hire and fire at will. That mentality is why foreigners are treating us the way they are right in our own country

Employment is a contract between 2 Persons, once that contract is signed, you cannot terminate it carelessly as you wish

Employment contract is between the business and employee , if your service is not good enough then you will be sacked

ogascomax:
If you have worked in Dangote refinery you won't say all these. Those who have worked there won't support you in whatever way. Union can be a bad thing but unionism is also good to checkmate some things. It has both positive and negative effects. Dangote is taken advantage of Nigerian workers there and he is undermining them. We need strong unions in private sectors. Look at how Asians enslave Nigerians in many part of the country, people working under bad conditions with poor salary. If we have strong union some of those things won't happen. you see people being hired and fired without salary these are some of the wicked things you see in the private sector.

Nigerians enslaved themselves; no one forced them to work for Asians.

lekikosky:
PENGASAN, the most hopeless set of people. They should be proscribed honestly.

The Unions Are Problems In Nigeria:
-Did NIGERIANS see the Dangote's Statement on NUPENG?
How much Are these Una Unions Collecting Per Day and for who?
Both NUPENG and PENGASSAN - SHOULD TELL NIGERIANS- THE NUMBERS OF millions they are collecting on Daily Basis- and For Who?
- is it for the Youths Employment
Or- for Infrastructures Development Or
Is it for the Social Development?
NONE !
But As NIGERIANS CAN SEE- These Are Bodies that didn't allow the Public Institutions( NNPC) In Nigeria To Do well- for their Selfish Ends- Nothing More than that.
- Let All the So Called Unions Come and give Accounts of the Dues and Fees of The Members - they have been Collecting!
- of course,we are Used to bad things in Nigeria.
-This is a Private Company -so why are they doing all this - they are just Against Smooth Running of Oil and Gas in Nigeria.
Then,the Next thing they called for is - STRIKES!
IS THIS FAIRE TO US NIGERIANS?
- They( Unions) are used to easy ways of crippling Nigeria State- by contributing Nothing - but their Selfish Ends!
What Have they( Union) been Producing In Nigeria?
The TRUTH is that - We Are All here- if Nigeria moves forward ⏩,we are all here.
And for those who are just doing all this since Oil in Oloibiri was discovered - have they made Nigeria Great?
Before you Start- supporting Nonsense, weight it very well- oh,Dangote Is A Monopolist,but What have your Unions Been Producing?
What Areas/ Or Sectors - have they Transformed in Nigeria?
Can you Compared Nigeria Oil Sector - to North Sea Oil or Spanish Development?
Can they do all this rubbish in Russia 🪆 or China?
- Today,we have Darkness all over Nigeria- because there is No Light 🚨 🕯️ - have they ( Unions) been Fighting for that?
-NIGERIA,AS A COUNTRY- Should Be Great By Now- with the numbers of Oil(what) Nigeria have been Producing - Since 1960 Independence and we are still doing same thing - for SELFISH ENDS- NOT For the Generality Of NIGERIANS WELFARE - where we Can have Accountability and Transparency of these Unions!
Make Una Continue- because we are Not Serious and they (Unions)see us just like that!
Just Facts and Truth!

Those gang of touts want to cripple d nation only functional refinery.

sulaak:
Employment contract is between the business and employee , if your service is not good enough then you will be sacked

Yeah if your service is not good enough

So why didn't he come out with specific failures of each person sacked

Keep supporting injustice, what goes around comes around

sulaak:
If you can't sack useless workers, how can you operate an efficient business?

Look at the state of PH refinery

What made the workers useless?

How what union have to do with ph refinery?

Very good. Dangote is shameless. He has mostly foreigners as his top staff, but prefers to pay Nigerians peanuts. You would think it is a company in India. If only he had been held accountable for all his trucks killing people, this arrogance would have been curbed.

Zionmdde:
You keep arguing with Nigerian standards. Why don't you find out what the universal human rights law state about victimizing workers because they joined union?

I can see your mentality bro, pray to work for an organization that understands that they cant hire and fire at will. As it's against human rights. Next time you argue that, refer to what law relates

Let's use the bastion of so-called civilization as an example: the US.

Microsoft has laid off thousands of employees because of AI. So has Facebook. Tesla at one point laid off its entire supercharger team. What happened? Nothing.

Because private companies can hire and fire, so long as it's not on the basis of bigotry.

There's no law that compels private companies to hire anyone, nor is there any law that prevents them from firing anyone. If such law exists, please mention it.

Also,. mention this so-called human right and where it's enshrined about hiring and firing

Also explain why Dangote hasn't been arrested by the Nigerian government because of the layoffs being illegal.

callmeDDD:
The man is far ahead of them. I wonder what excuse they will have once they cut all avenues to supply him what he needs to run his company, then he buys from other countries, enriching them and fixing his prices as he likes. Nigerians Will still buy it at his prices. He knows what he is doing, he will swap his supply soon and it's them that will loose. They will look for where to sell their gas to. Cabals holding the country down too many. FG has to weigh in fast. Go to apapa/tincan/mile2 axis, those union and so called pangassan/nupeng agents sitting down , doing nothing than to collect money from each private tankers coming far to load and issue useless tickets. Nonsense.

the damage has already been done no serious investor will ever put his serious money in Nigeria,looking at what is happening to indigenous business that is even located in a free trade zone. Nigeria is gone