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Its either this plan or war? Good plan but what I know is that terrorists will never go for peace.

What’s the difference between philistine and Palestine?

mrvitalis:
Hamas objective to take over all Israel is rooted in Israel occupation?

Since 1948 has Israel ever been the first to attack Palestine? Please name one instant

Israel lands was divided into 3 two given to Palestine and Jordan yet Israel accepted

But migrants brought in by the ottoman Empire aka Palestines won't accept
They want the land from the river to the sea?

Palestine was creates same 1948
Same. With Jordan

Abdul05:
It wasn't lsreal that divided the land ,It was UN that split the land into 2 states not 3 bros.

Get the history right , one Jewish,one Arab--with Jerusalem as an international city, Jordan wasn't given any land as you mentioned above. Jordan only took control of the west bank after the 1948 war..

The question As for who first attacked first....Isreal declared independence in 1948..and five arab states launched a war immediately after that..

Conflict since then .has been occupation and resistance of war not a one sided story..

A person who knows history on nairaland?
We're in end times

It's now clear who doesn't want the war to end.

Later, they would begin to cry "genocide"!

The State of Israel should therefore increase the tempo and consider the captives gone for life.

Hamas must be completely obliterated from the surface of the earth if peace must return to the Strip.

Pikin wey say e mama no go sleep himself no go sleep.

Here we go once again!

The recent support received from well-meaning people around the world has emboldened the terrorist group.

PM Bibi has just been given the leeway to further turn the Strip to complete rubble.

Hamas: fly wey no dey hear word naim dey follow dead bodi enta grave.



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Sirleo05:
This is not fair oo, US and Israel what ur doing to the Palestinians is not good. Which kind monopoly be dis? to be killing a whole people because you think you have the right to, is wrong. So, where do you want them to go? Instead, Israel should go and leave in the US, since they are big enough to accommodate them all, then leave the Palestinians people there with their fellow arabs. If you look at it, Israel is the only different country there, the rest are muslim arabs

What do you know about the history of that land? Which historical record does the so called Palestine have with that land? Israel has been there for thousands of years, and every day, artifacts are being unearthed to confirm that ancient Israelites once existed in that land long ago. It was because of their rebellion that God chased them out but he promised he will gather them back before the end of the ages. These present-day hostile Arabs are actually the ancient enemies of Israel that got assimilated by people from the Arabian peninsula.
Just imagine they want Jerusalem as their capital. Now what is the etymology of that name Jerusalem and what is the connection with Arab Islamic Palestine?

In the first place I see that peace proposal as a kind of subtle landing for Hamas and Palestinians which really does not go along with the real plan of Israel, which I expected this terrorists to accept wholeheartedly but unfortunately they rejected it like the way this terrorists rejected the two states proposal offered them long time ago which they are now hungry and begging to have now. If they should reject this proposal now and come back in the future asking for it,it might be too late for them.

mrvitalis:
The only way to stop Israel attack is for Hamas to accept Israel right to exist and accept the two state solution

You can't shout from the river to the sea then claim Israel is the aggressor

If Hamas had Israel power it would have done far worse

Bros don't beg them , it is our prayers that Hamas should reject any proposal , Hanas don't want peace...

themanderon:
What do you know about the history of that land? Which historical record does the so called Palestine have with that land? Israel has been there for thousands of years, and every day, artifacts are being unearthed to confirm that ancient Israelites once existed in that land long ago. It was because of their rebellion that God chased them out but he promised he will gather them back before the end of the ages. These present-day hostile Arabs are actually the ancient enemies of Israel that got assimilated by people from the Arabian peninsula.
Just imagine they want Jerusalem as their capital. Now what is the etymology of that name Jerusalem and what is the connection with Arab Islamic Palestine?

You're very correct. In Jeremiah 30:2-3 KJV
Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book. [3] For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

Ezekiel 34:11-13 KJV
For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. [12] As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. [13] And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

mrvitalis:
This one doesn't even know the history

Jordan today was part of the British Palestine mandate

Go read it first then come back

It was divided into 3 , two Arab states one jews state

Israel accepted Arabs rejected

That's technically correct, but in 1927 it was established as an emirate of Transjordan, an autonomous part of the mandate, and they gained their full independence in 1946, and was renamed the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan.

This issue will involve bigger nations like Russia and China too.

Give Palestinians a state n they will be armed by Muslim nations especially Iran to launch attacks on Israel. So they must signed a guarantee with Russia, China, Turkey, Pakistan, Egypt and even Iran too that once a state is assured for them, any attack on Israel again will be melted back in return by this nation n dat Israel has the right to exists as a nation !

HAMAS IS EVIL, SATANIC AND ABSOLUTELY WICKED.
HAMAS DOESN'T DESERVE TALKING TO FOR PEACE IN GAZA. THE DEMANDS OF ISRAEL MUST BE FULLY MET.

Abdul05:
It wasn't lsreal that divided the land ,It was UN that split the land into 2 states not 3 bros.

Get the history right , one Jewish,one Arab--with Jerusalem as an international city, Jordan wasn't given any land as you mentioned above. Jordan only took control of the west bank after the 1948 war..

The question As for who first attacked first....Isreal declared independence in 1948..and five arab states launched a war immediately after that..

Conflict since then .has been occupation and resistance of war not a one sided story..

So Israel didn't attack first

themanderon:
What do you know about the history of that land? Which historical record does the so called Palestine have with that land? Israel has been there for thousands of years, and every day, artifacts are being unearthed to confirm that ancient Israelites once existed in that land long ago. It was because of their rebellion that God chased them out but he promised he will gather them back before the end of the ages. These present-day hostile Arabs are actually the ancient enemies of Israel that got assimilated by people from the Arabian peninsula.
Just imagine they want Jerusalem as their capital. Now what is the etymology of that name Jerusalem and what is the connection with Arab Islamic Palestine?

The present Palestinians are not related to the extinct Philistines. They are just Arabs from the surrounding nations Jordan, Syria Egypt Lebanon etc. They don't have an iota of Philistines genes. The term Paelista was used by Romans to delete Judea and Samaria around 185 AD after some Jewish revolt .
Philistines were long extinct over 600 years before Jesus was born.

mrvitalis:
The only way to stop Israel attack is for Hamas to accept Israel right to exist and accept the two state solution

You can't shout from the river to the sea then claim Israel is the aggressor

If Hamas had Israel power it would have done far worse

Just look through the Mirror 🪞,who do you see 🙈?
Remember the same Proposal the Palestinians, rejected in 1948- when the United Nations - gave a 2- State Solutions, the Israel Accepted and Palestine Rejected it and Israel moved on.
Hope the Arabs that were siding the Palestinians in 1948- Arrangement are still same?
Hope the same Israel People-are still the same?
Palestine leaders -should look into the Mirror well and decides now!

madridguy:
“The only way to end the genocide is to stop Israel’s attacks, lift the blockade, end the systematic extermination, and guarantee Palestinians’ right to live in freedom and establish an independent state. Any proposal that treats Gaza as a disarmed, non‑sovereign security zone under international administration is categorically unacceptable to the Palestinian national conscience,” he noted.

What do you say about your Nigeria government doing same to Biafra, giving them a the freedom they are asking?

basilico:
The present Palestinians are not related to the extinct Philistines. They are just Arabs from the surrounding nations Jordan, Syria Egypt Lebanon etc. They don't have an iota of Philistines genes. The term Paelista was used by Romans to delete Judea and Samaria around 185 AD after some Jewish revolt .
Philistines were long extinct over 600 years before Jesus was born.

So there’s no single philistine in existence

Abdul05:
Bro, check your history properly.Is real was created In 1948 not 1945..The so called 3 state idea was never a solution but a british partition legacy..

Hamas's objective are rooted in decades Of displacement and occupation that followed. It is a misleading to acts like isreal is the only.one seeking peace.

Is one Nigeria you people are fighting for not British partition legacy?

The Palestinians should first accept the deal, then after some months of peace, they can start campaigning about any concerns they may have.

Abdul05:
Uncle listen,

Hamas fights over disputed land . boko haram fights against its own people.if you cannot see the difference.

You need to read before you comment..

Hamas does not care about land. Their objective is to erase jews and Israel from this planet. Once that is achieved they will proceed with other plans.
If the son of Hamas cannot convince you, then you are lost.

The 2 State solution they once rejected is what they are hungry for now.

madridguy:
“The only way to end the genocide is to stop Israel’s attacks, lift the blockade, end the systematic extermination, and guarantee Palestinians’ right to live in freedom and establish an independent state. Any proposal that treats Gaza as a disarmed, non‑sovereign security zone under international administration is categorically unacceptable to the Palestinian national conscience,” he noted.

The way you guys talk tho...

Well if the Palestinians rejects trump's deal I don't see a better politician who wants to work with them again

The nations of the West were recognizing a "Palestinian State". A territory with no defined borders. A couple million people crammed in a highly disputed zone. The Palestinians were happy. The so-called recognition was a recipe for total annihilation. Even the French that started the recognition now support an international administration.

mrvitalis:
The only way to stop Israel attack is for Hamas to accept Israel right to exist and accept the two state solution

You can't shout from the river to the sea then claim Israel is the aggressor

If Hamas had Israel power it would have done far worse

Gbam

FreeStuffsNG:
Abu Mazen Nassar echoed this sentiment, fearing the US-Israeli plan is a “trick” to force Palestinian resistance factions to release the captives and no peace in return.


It was so obvious and confirm exactly what the Columbian President said. " President Trump and United States are complicit in the genocide in Gaza " and should be prosecuted by I.C.C. President Trump and Biden will one day be reported to I.C.C on this matter.

It's so embarrassing watching how they still think like imperialists who sit down in a room with coffee and determine the lives and times of a nation while the Palestinians were shut out. Chai! They think the rest of the world is in their own evil bubble? That show of shame media briefing was repulsive and full of hubris and insults the world watching US-Israel think the rest of the world is dumb. Hell No! The world is not dumb!

It is no brainer that thePalestinians, after almost 100k of its people, mostly children, babies and women were martyred in the US-Isreal genocide in Gaza will never accept anything less than full self-determination and independence.

The 'hell' Trump promised came yet hostages are still in Gaza, USA-Isreal expensive war machines have not defeated Hamas, in spite of the billions Trump and US spent to commit the genocide and the world has recognized Palestine. Trump and Netanyahu have lost it completely. If you are not winning you are losing!

Nothing will resolve this issue without a fair resolution of the matter and it's only a neutral body that can mediate. US is complicit and cannot mediate fairly.

All the rest of the world want is a free Palestine like free South Africa and all the hostages freed while a truly independent Palestine stands. A US that supported apartheid in South Africa until the world defeated it will be defeated again.

Was there ever a country called "PALESTINE"?
If yes, kindly educate us about some of their past Presidents or Prime Ministers.

Meanwhile, below is a breakdown of how ownership of this same land has shifted from generations:

- Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Empire, not a Palestinian state. Godfrey IV of Boulogne, known as Godfrey de Bouillon, conqueror of Jerusalem in 1099

- Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state

- Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
- Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

- Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
- Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian statehood.
Actually, in this piece of land, there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE!

Abdul05:
Bro, calm down.....that is not the point..

Hamas:palestinians don't reject peace..they reject being erased.. that is story of Trump's Gaza plan.."


A region Already inflamed by displacecement & mistrust


such plan don't calm tentions, it pours fuel on them
Palestinians strong rejection Wasn't just emotional, it was a Political survival.

How can you erase what was NEVER in existence?? The so called "Palestinians" are nothing but ARABS!
Everything about them was made up, from their culture, to their flag, to their map, just everything!

Was there ever any country called "Palestine"? If yes, then kindly tell us about their past Presidents or Prime Ministers

FreeStuffsNG:
Abu Mazen Nassar echoed this sentiment, fearing the US-Israeli plan is a “trick” to force Palestinian resistance factions to release the captives and no peace in return.


It was so obvious and confirm exactly what the Columbian President said. " President Trump and United States are complicit in the genocide in Gaza " and should be prosecuted by I.C.C. President Trump and Biden will one day be reported to I.C.C on this matter.

It's so embarrassing watching how they still think like imperialists who sit down in a room with coffee and determine the lives and times of a nation while the Palestinians were shut out. Chai! They think the rest of the world is in their own evil bubble? That show of shame media briefing was repulsive and full of hubris and insults the world watching US-Israel think the rest of the world is dumb. Hell No! The world is not dumb!

It is no brainer that thePalestinians, after almost 100k of its people, mostly children, babies and women were martyred in the US-Isreal genocide in Gaza will never accept anything less than full self-determination and independence.

The 'hell' Trump promised came yet hostages are still in Gaza, USA-Isreal expensive war machines have not defeated Hamas, in spite of the billions Trump and US spent to commit the genocide and the world has recognized Palestine. Trump and Netanyahu have lost it completely. If you are not winning you are losing!

Nothing will resolve this issue without a fair resolution of the matter and it's only a neutral body that can mediate. US is complicit and cannot mediate fairly.

All the rest of the world want is a free Palestine like free South Africa and all the hostages freed while a truly independent Palestine stands. A US that supported apartheid in South Africa until the world defeated it will be defeated again.

After all they have been thru, one would think they would embrace peace and move if truly, they intend not to retribute but to rebuild but no, bloodthirstiness is in their DNA. Even their Islamic counterparts see nothing wrong and accept the truce proposed. Keep supporting terrorist nations. It is because Isreal is responding with greater proportion is why the world is complaining but if Mama's had the same leverage, the probably would finished off Isreal by now

THROUGH THE REJECTION OF WHAT ALL THE COUNTRIES THAT RECOGNISED THE STATE OF PALESTINIAN APPLAUDED, HAMAS HAS LOST GLOBAL SUPPORT AND WILL NOW BE SEEN AS THE TROUBLE MAKER IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN.

mrvitalis:
The only way to stop Israel attack is for Hamas to accept Israel right to exist and accept the two state solution

You can't shout from the river to the sea then claim Israel is the aggressor

If Hamas had Israel power it would have done far worse

Thank you. There are many hypocrites on this platform. I already know that Hamas will not embrace peace deal because the real issue they have is the continued existence of Israel. Those, who are shouting free Palestine should beg Hamas to demilitarize, and handover the hostages. But they wont because the ultimate agenda, which the entire UN is not addressing is the elephant in the room - WE DONT WANT ISRAEL TO EXIST!

Elusive001:
Some parts of Syria, Turkey, and Jordan were originally, part of the lands of israel.

GOD"S ORIGINAL PROMISED TO THEM, STRETCHED DOWN TO RIVER EUPHRATES IN IRAQ, THATS THE VISION OF GREATER ISRAEL AND THEY WILL HAVE IT ONE DAY. READ JOSHUA 1

This people are not ready for peace. Hamas is simply sacrificing Palestinians just for ego. It is foolhardy to continue fighting a lost battle