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Our mama wan start her religion politics to deceive northerners again

God is really a very merciful God imagine godless and soulless people using the name of God to commit all kinds of atrocities and still be justifying themselves and their actions.

fuckingAyaya:
you have nothing to say after hearing the gospel truth. Nobody be small pikin for here. You want to tell me about the ways of jesus christ lol. I never claimed to be God I'm just being logical, you can swerve now

Gospel truth from someone who does not know the gospel...
Keep deceiving yourself.

What do you know? You are a baby Christian, go and read your Bible very well.

fuckingAyaya:
I blame RCCG for ordaining you as a pastor. That's where they got it wrong. That's why the youths tend to make mockery of G.O's words whenever he passes a message despite being a real MOG. Like what are the prerequisites for ordaining people as pastors in RCCG? Is it money, power, position or spiritually qualified.

Who cares about what comes out of your mouth?

lionshare:
Maybe you should go find them. Don’t deflect—just answer the question: What is the scriptural way to be called or ordained? We’re reading the same Bible. It’s unchristian to make claims you can’t prove—2 Timothy 2:15.

I am not deflecting.
I hope the verse you put up is not a verse you considered to address the the discussion?

If we are reading the same Bible then it would be easy for you to show me where a Bible College or any resemblance of it was set up before one is ordained a Pastor or made one....

Apostle Paul and Bro. Timothy did not attend any Bible College or did they attend?

bixton:
I am not deflecting.
I hope the verse you put up is not a verse you considered to address the the discussion?

If we are reading the same Bible then it would be easy for you to show me where a Bible College or any resemblance of it was set up before one is ordained a Pastor or made one....

Apostle Paul and Bro. Timothy did not attend any Bible College or did they attend?

Gbsmsulotey ,

They have been vindicated, they avoided you welll

bixton:
I am not deflecting.
I hope the verse you put up is not a verse you considered to address the the discussion?

If we are reading the same Bible then it would be easy for you to show me where a Bible College or any resemblance of it was set up before one is ordained a Pastor or made one....

Apostle Paul and Bro. Timothy did not attend any Bible College or did they attend?

Once again, you've avoided answering the core question: What is the scriptural basis for being called or ordained? You made a claim, and I'm simply asking you to support it with Scripture.

The passage I quoted was to emphasize that as Christians, we shouldn’t make assertions we can’t back up with the Word. It’s not in line with Christian integrity to do so.

agadez007:
You have no point,just flying from one topic to another
And you forget what you Yorubas did to igbo during the time of Jonathan,all the insults and attacks

See as you just go jam tree.
When did I tell you I was Yoruba?

stuffs2002:
See as you just go jam tree.
When did I tell you I was Yoruba?

You can be French or Appalachian,I done give a flying Shiii

Almunafiqah: yet the Muslims supported the Muslim ticket but she later went and donate huge money to christians in benue neglecting the Muslims that voted for the them. Mtswww 2027 is coming

Woman, your husband's policies are killing Nigerians regardless of Faith.
Only psychologically blind men will support leaders base on religion.

lexy2014:
if she went through all these processes, does she exhibit the fruits of a person who should lead christians, be a spiritual support for christians and promote Gods word and tenets on earth?

How do you know she doesn't, have you rented with her one on one.

Or is it the same way I know you are toxic from your comments and response on Nairaland, which may just be out of political sentiment and inability to think logically and control your emotions.

I can't say if you are a decent human being or not.

loffyloffy:
How do you know she doesn't, have you rented with her one on one.

Or is it the same way I know you are toxic from your comments and response on Nairaland, which may just be out of political sentiment and inability to think logically and control your emotions.

I can't say if you are a decent human being or not.

off point.

you have not answered my question.

if she went through all these processes, does she exhibit the fruits of a person who should lead christians, be a spiritual support for christians and promote Gods word and tenets on earth?

bixton:
Attending a Bible College is not a criteria to be called or ordained a Pastor......
Not that it is not good, but it's not a Scriptural criteria if that is what you're intending to point out.

You better be reading the Holy Bible which holds the WORD of God and check the criteria such position.

The Word of God transforms only those who yield to the quickening Spirit of the Lord.

Bros your heads are in the cloud, you are more of a theorist than a realistic.

While it is True that God should call you into ministry before you start a church, it is not necessarily true that everyone that have to work with you in leadership to run that ministry must be directly called by God.

Moses was called by God, but he chose the elders that worked with him.

While the Apostle were called they elected people of good character, who in all likelihood have gone through a training process to be leaders in the church.

When Paul was telling us the criteria for choosing a Bishop, he never mentioned that he must have been called by God as a criteria.

Jesus christ himself settled this kind of discussion when he was talking about 'Eunuchs' .He said some are 'born', some are 'made eunuch by men' and some of their own choice ' made themselves eunuch for the kingdom'

Just replace the word 'eunuch' with 'pastor' and you will catch my flow.

You should not start a ministry unless God call you, But you can rise up to become anything within a ministry without being explicitly called by God.

[quote author=loffyloffy post=136970469]Bros your heads are in the cloud, you are more of a theorist than a realistic.

While it is True that God should call you into ministry before you start a church, it is not necessarily true that everyone that have to work with you in leadership to run that ministry must be directly called by God.

Moses was called by God, but he chose the elders that worked with him.

While the Apostle were called they elected people of good character, who in all likelihood have gone through a training process to be leaders in the church.

When Paul was telling us the criteria for choosing a Bishop, he never mentioned that he must have been called by God as a criteria.

Jesus christ himself settled this kind of discussion when he was talking about 'Eunuchs' .He said some are 'born', some are 'made eunuch by men' and some of their own choice ' made themselves eunuch for the kingdom'

Just replace the word 'eunuch' with 'pastor' and you will catch my flow.

You should not start a ministry unless God call you, But you can rise up to become anything within a ministry without being explicitly called by God.

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The issue we have in Africa and especially Nigeria is that we put too much bearing and weight in titles which shouldn't be so.
The work of God doesn't work that way.

I am very sure you have heard the name Bro. Gbile Akani.

In Christianity such titles have spiritual implications. Answering certain titles here on earth is irrelevant if heaven has not registered your name to such titles.

DeLaRue:
'... from the new members class, I graduated from The Redeemed Christian Bible College, also School of Disciples to become a worker, then a Deaconess and later an Assistant Pastor in 2018'

According to you, someone that went to bible college, and attended School of Disciples, then became a deaconess, and assistant pastor, is not fit to be a pastor

Majority of pastors in Nigeria today have not even stepped foot in a bible college, yet this woman did, yet you still find fault.

not by bible college my dear, it is by the call of the Lord and how you respond to the call. This ain't theological stuff or religion. Christianity is a man giving way to God entirely. This woman has brought nothing but shame and reproach

lionshare:
Once again, you've avoided answering the core question: What is the scriptural basis for being called or ordained? You made a claim, and I'm simply asking you to support it with Scripture.

The passage I quoted was to emphasize that as Christians, we shouldn’t make assertions we can’t back up with the Word. It’s not in line with Christian integrity to do so.

You're asking a very rare question which shouldn't be.
I shouldn't be the one that will bring up a Scripture to back it up for it doesn't exist.
The first lady shouldn't have brought such.

I want to believe you have heard the name Bro. Gbile Akani.......

They are right, of course. What benefits or good thing has come from the same religion. Your husband once disagree with it, and later welcomed it under his watch. Who is deceiving who?

Shebi he's now on that seat bringing h@rdship every day

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DeLaRue:
'... from the new members class, I graduated from The Redeemed Christian Bible College, also School of Disciples to become a worker, then a Deaconess and later an Assistant Pastor in 2018'

According to you, someone that went to bible college, and attended School of Disciples, then became a deaconess, and assistant pastor, is not fit to be a pastor

Majority of pastors in Nigeria today have not even stepped foot in a bible college, yet this woman did, yet you still find fault.

That shouldn't automatically qualify her to hold the position of a pastor. A pastor is technically a shepherd, you don't just appoint people who can't be an example to that position.
As a pastor you're a role model to younger people. Your personal life matters. She's married to a Muslim and ordained a pastor. What example will she portray for what a Christian home should be like??
Based on this alone RCCG has lost the moral ground to insist young members must marry (born again) Christians, or refuse to bless a marriage where a member marries an unbeliever. RCCG is simply saying the religion of your spouse means nothing - marry anybody - even babalawo.

What this woman said during the elections showed very poor judgement on her part. It makes her current 'spiritual' talk seem very hollow and empty.

If madam first lady had any integrity she would publicly renounce what she said in 2023. That kind of talk has real consequences and Jennifer Efidi has the scars to prove it.

sreamsense:
You can see that the woman is even more mature than you in the Spirit. What of someone that married before becoming a true believer like in her case or did she marry in 2007 before joining RCCG to become pastor ? Read your Bible well or use AI to quote verses in the bible for you. She even brought Grace to her husband. Bible didn't tell you to divorce your unbeliver spouse that have understanding like Tinubu to her if you can leave with him or her. It was an advice for young christians that had never married to avoid future crisis. It was an advice and not a commandment. May you come into more christian maturity

Who is she pastoring if she can't lead her husband to the Lord? RCCG made a grave error by ordaining her as a Pastor.

Ken4Christ:
Who is she pastoring if she can't lead her husband to the Lord? RCCG made a grave error by ordaining her as a Pastor.

Is it her duty to convert her husband to the Lord or the duty of Holy Spirit? No man can convert any person, it is the work of Holy Spirit to convince and do the work of regeneration. If all unbelieving spouses must get converted by their believing spouses; then why will the Bible admonish believing partners not to divorce them if the both agree to leave together.

1 Corinthians 7:12-14 advises believers not to divorce an unbelieving spouse if they consent to live together. The unbelieving partner is considered "sanctified" through the believing spouse, and their children are also sanctified. She married Tinubu who is a Muslim, they gave birth to children that are all christians. If she has not been preaching to them and the father, why will the children follow her to church.


Please, remove "Christ" you put in your moniker, you are disgracing Christianity because you are not yet mature and conversant with your Bible. Is like you only dance and clap when you go to your church, you don't seem to attend Bible Study, Sunday school or other convert class. Please, take your spiritual life more serious, you sound too carnally minded properly due to hatred you have for Tinubu.

Jesus tells us to love and not to hate. You have allowed hatred to rob you off your spiritual virtues.Try to remove the logs in your own eyes first before you criticize her. She is mature far far than you in christian race if we consider the way you and her talked. May Holy Spirit leads you into christian maturity

sreamsense:
Is it her duty to convert her husband to the Lord or the duty of Holy Spirit? No man can convert any person, it is the work of Holy Spirit to convince and do the work of regeneration. If all unbelieving spouses must get converted by their believing spouses; then why will the Bible admonish believing partners not to divorce them if the both agree to leave together.

1 Corinthians 7:12-14 advises believers not to divorce an unbelieving spouse if they consent to live together. The unbelieving partner is considered "sanctified" through the believing spouse, and their children are also sanctified. She married Tinubu who is a Muslim, they gave birth to children that are all christians. If she has not been preaching to them and the father, why will the children follow her to church.


Please, remove "Christ" you put in your moniker, you are disgracing Christianity because you are not yet mature and conversant with your Bible. Is like you only dance and clap when you go to your church, you don't seem to attend Bible Study, Sunday school or other convert class. Please, take your spiritual life more serious, you sound too carnally minded properly due to hatred you have for Tinubu.

Jesus tells us to love and not to hate. You have allowed hatred to rob you off your spiritual virtues.Try to remove the logs in your own eyes first before you criticize her. She is mature far far than you in christian race if we consider the way you and her talked. May Holy Spirit leads you into christian maturity

Your submission is very wrong. You certainly can't force anyone to receive salvation but its our duty to preach the gospel to the lost. The Holy Spirit only convicts as you preach. The Holy Spirit doesn't do the preaching for you.

My point is that if after several decades of marriage, she hasn't been able to show her husband the way to salvation, something is definitely wrong.

Rather, she is comfortable with her husband leaving an ungodly life and displaying questionable character. We all know how he won the last election. A true child of God cannot encourage that. Now, she is partaking of his sins and God will not hold her guiltless.

Ken4Christ:
Your submission is very wrong. You certainly can't force anyone to receive salvation but its our duty to preach the gospel to the lost. The Holy Spirit only convicts as you preach. The Holy Spirit doesn't do the preaching for you.

My point is that if after several decades of marriage, she hasn't been able to show her husband the way to salvation, something is definitely wrong.

Rather, she is comfortable with her husband leaving an ungodly life and displaying questionable character. We all know how he won the last election. A true child of God cannot encourage that. Now, she is partaking of his sins and God will not hold her guiltless.

You further demonstrated that you lack comprehension of the message you responded to using lies to cover lies having discovered your flaws were exposed. All you wrote means you didn't comprehend my message you responded to. Where in my message did I say or imply here "...Holy Spirit doesn't do the preaching for you.." You want to be smart by half because I had exposed your shallow knowledge of the Bible. May God help you to learn how to humble yourself to admit your flaws instead of covering up with lies out of shame of being exposed.

See your other flaw here as quoted from your message, "...she hasn't been able to show her husband the way to salvation, something is definitely wrong...". If you truely comprehend my submission before you responded, you will even see the answer to this your question, but because you want to be smart by half, you tried covering lie with lie again. Are you staying with them to know she has never preached to her husband? How was she able to convert all her children to christians and her husband finally agreed if she has never preached with conviction to them?

If she told her husband, but the husband refused to convert, does bible tell her to diverse him? In Acts 13:51 and Acts 18:6: Is it everybody or every place that apostles Paul and Barnabas preached to that got converted to Christianity? So, if Tinubu never got converted to Christianity, to you now; it means she never preached to Tinubu. Does it make sense to you especially if you compare with Matthew 10:14, where Jesus sent his disciples to preach in villages and town.

Did Jesus tell them everybody they preach to will convert to Christianity? If no, where did you see your own message and conclusion about Mrs Tinubu? I can only pray for you for Holy Spirit to lead you into more truths that will grow you into more christian maturity. It is certain that hatred of Tinubu that is making you off balance. May God help you more

sreamsense:
You further demonstrated that you lack comprehension of the message you responded to using lies to cover lies having discovered your flaws were exposed. All you wrote means you didn't comprehend my message you responded to. Where in my message did I say or imply here "...Holy Spirit doesn't do the preaching for you.." You want to be smart by half because I had exposed your shallow knowledge of the Bible. May God help you to learn how to humble yourself to admit your flaws instead of covering up with lies out of shame of being exposed.

See your other flaw here as quoted from your message, "...she hasn't been able to show her husband the way to salvation, something is definitely wrong...". If you truely comprehend my submission before you responded, you will even see the answer to this your question, but because you want to be smart by half, you tried covering lie with lie again. Are you staying with them to know she has never preached to her husband? How was she able to convert all her children to christians and her husband finally agreed if she has never preached with conviction to them?

If she told her husband, but the husband refused to convert, does bible tell her to diverse him? In Acts 13:51 and Acts 18:6: Is it everybody or every place that apostles Paul and Barnabas preached to that got converted to Christianity? So, if Tinubu never got converted to Christianity, to you now; it means she never preached to Tinubu. Does it make sense to you especially if you compare with Matthew 10:14, where Jesus sent his disciples to preach in villages and town.

Did Jesus tell them everybody they preach to will convert to Christianity? If no, where did you see your own message and conclusion about Mrs Tinubu? I can only pray for you for Holy Spirit to lead you into more truths that will grow you into more christian maturity. It is certain that hatred of Tinubu that is making you off balance. May God help you more

Let's look at it with this example. A young lady marries a man but discovered he is an armed robber. She doesn't mind as long as she is getting the money.

After a few years, she gets born again but the husband is unwilling to change, it will be foolish of her to continue in that relationship as a child of God. If she does, she is equally guilty and will not go unpunished.

Read between lines and understanding my point.