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Uptheante:
Before EFCC raids any hotel to arrest internet fraudsters, they must have made detailed & covert investigation about those occupying hotel rooms.
They don't just rush into any random hotel & arrest pple at random.

They usually pack innocent people in addition.
Why do you think it's called a raid.
Let assume you Lodge this hotel expecting a girl, they arrest you along without any investigation.

When was the last time a corrupt politician got raided or arrested by ue efcc? They are now just a tool used by anyone in power to settle scores. These boys would soon join politics not to being positive change but to follow the bad example the older generation has led.

#saynotofraud by the way

boysco:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeAOk_x2NXE?si=S1qH4__Ttocw_OTA

Early this morning, the EFCC conducted a raid at the newly opened Westmac Hotel along Sapele Road in Benin, Edo State.

Footage from the operation shows the agency’s swift action on the scene.

these guys are actually annoying I mean the yahoo boys.u collect 10m,u use 8m to buy old c300,use 500k draw tatoo all over ur body,use 800k to buy iPhone and use the rest to buy loud.efcc is doing a great job.these guys don’t have a life.The real fraud stars are difficult for efcc to identify,they are always in church,always wear natives.drive small modest cars.u will never belief they are rich or into fraud.

Uptheante:
Before EFCC raids any hotel to arrest internet fraudsters, they must have made detailed & covert investigation about those occupying hotel rooms.
They don't just rush into any random hotel & arrest pple at random.

wow....why have they not raided Wike or Ganduje even though "detailed investigation"has been done which they can just build on to prosecute?

Why did they not raid tompolo after he was videoed spraying money at an event?

There is a video of one of their night raids where they forcefully broke into the room of a hotel manager and rained heavy slaps on her.

Is that the product of "detailed and covert investigations?

Amorinball:
Imagine visiting naija to surprise family and deciding to stay in a hotel when you first arrive and next thing, you are been paraded by EFCC as a fraudster.

That means you got what you deserved. Surpriser has been surprised.

Thank God for EFCC operations. My only sadness is that they end up letting those yahoo boys to go home free. They ought to be locked up forever.

The EFCC is useless
Yahoo boys are very useless.
Let the useless keep fighting the useless.
Yahoo boys have no mercy, they can reap even a poor man of his last savings and the man will end up in the streets.
You can't destroy someone's life and expect your life to be beautiful.

Kingray10:
They usually pack innocent people in addition.
Why do you think it's called a raid.
Let assume you Lodge this hotel expecting a girl, they arrest you along without any investigation.

Appearance also matters .
There's no way you can be dressed in tattoos, earrings, dark lips, dreadlocks, etc (& you are not musician or footballer or a popular celeb) & EFCC won't suspect you to be a fraudster or criminal.

Not all investigations are 100% accurate, there are situations where errors occur & few innocent persons are picked alongside majority criminals, mostly based on rough, suspicious appearance as I've already stated.
But at the end of the day, those innocent persons are released unconditionally.

I'm not holding brief for EFCC, I'm just stating facts

lexy2014:
wow....why have they not raided Wike or Ganduje even though "detailed investigation"has been done which they can just build on to prosecute?

Why did they not raid tompolo after he was videoed spraying money at an event?

There is a video of one of their night raids where they forcefully broke into the room of a hotel manager and rained heavy slaps on her.

Is that the product of "detailed and covert investigations?

EFCC agents are humans & they are prone to errors just like all humans.
The politicians you mentioned are still undergoing covert investigation by EFCC & court cases.
It's not everything that is on the news

Uptheante:
EFCC agents are humans & they are prone to errors just like all humans.
The politicians you mentioned are still undergoing covert investigation by EFCC & court cases.
It's not everything that is on the news

That is not what I asked you.

1. why have they not raided Wike or Ganduje even though "detailed investigation"has been done which they can just build on to prosecute?

2. Why did they not raid tompolo after he was videoed spraying money at an event?

3. There is a video of one of their night raids where they forcefully broke into the room of a hotel manager and rained heavy slaps on her.

Is that the product of "detailed and covert investigations?

lexy2014:
That is not what I asked you.

1. why have they not raided Wike or Ganduje even though "detailed investigation"has been done which they can just build on to prosecute?

2. Why did they not raid tompolo after he was videoed spraying money at an event?

3. There is a video of one of their night raids where they forcefully broke into the room of a hotel manager and rained heavy slaps on her.

Is that the product of "detailed and covert investigations?

Considering the cult status of such pple you mentioned, it will be highly detrimental to national security if they are arrested publicly or their properties raided.
These pple hold high positions in the country with massive influence.
Arresting them publicly will trigger an insurrection & by their millions of foot soldiers, leading to a domino effect that will seriously impact negatively on the already fragile security & effectively distabilize the country.

EFCC & the federal government is fully aware of this fact, that's why they don't publicize their investigations on such persons & it seems to you as if such persons are untouchable. Most often, what EFCC does with them is secret plea bargaining whereby they secretly agree to forfeit part of their loot in exchange for some sort of amnesty.

You can't compare them with your street yahoo boys who have no clout or influence that can trigger an internal rebellion if they are arrested.
To you, justice is flawed, but the anti corruption agencies are actually looking at national security in the best interest of Nigerians

YeyeGbami:
Collect money go lodge for hotel, these boys no dey get OT

why make them lounge

Maliqcious:
why make them lounge

Na same we dey talk, wetin dem dey find 4 hotel

EFCC don dey behave like the Nigerian police force.
Attach school hostels
Drinking bars
Hotels
Just to find anything called yahoo
Na yahoo boys Dem dey find up and down now
God no go shame us

So innocent person can't lodge in Benin again. I don't have any issues if they focus on fraudsters but picking everyone they see is criminal. They will soon pick up someone that will make the organisation pay through their noses for damages

DannyJ19:
Hope this raid would be based on incredible Intel.

As how na

Uptheante:
Considering the cult status of such pple you mentioned, it will be highly detrimental to national security if they are arrested publicly or their properties raided.
These pple hold high positions in the country with massive influence.
Arresting them publicly will trigger an insurrection & by their millions of foot soldiers, leading to a domino effect that will seriously impact negatively on the already fragile security & effectively distabilize the country.

EFCC & the federal government is fully aware of this fact, that's why they don't publicize their investigations on such persons & it seems to you as if such persons are untouchable. Most often, what EFCC does with them is secret plea bargaining whereby they secretly agree to forfeit part of their loot in exchange for some sort of amnesty.

You can't compare them with your street yahoo boys who have no clout or influence that can trigger an internal rebellion if they are arrested.
To you, justice is flawed, but the anti corruption agencies are actually looking at national security in the best interest of Nigerians

1. earlier you claimed that the reason EFCC is doing these raids and making arrests is because it has "made detailed & covert investigation about those occupying hotel rooms. They don't just rush into any random hotel & arrest pple at random."

Uptheante:
Before EFCC raids any hotel to arrest internet fraudsters, they must have made detailed & covert investigation about those occupying hotel rooms.
They don't just rush into any random hotel & arrest pple at random.

if that is the case, are you now saying that EFCC is not actually doing these raids and making arrests NOT because it has "made detailed & covert investigation about those occupying hotel rooms. They don't just rush into any random hotel & arrest pple at random", BUT simply because these people being arrested do not have "cult status" and do not "hold high positions in the country"?

2. what is the "cult status" that you say the people I mentioned have?

3. how is arresting them and arresting them for committing crimes detrimental to national security?

4. are you saying that these men are greater and bigger than the federal republic of nigeria and its law enforecement agencies?

5. which law is EFcc using to withold information about the outcome of these so called investigations you talking?

6. can you show me the policy or law guiding EFcc which permitting it not to make public its investigation into criminal and corrupt activities of politicians?

7. how is raiding hotels and arresting random people and not arresting corrupt politcians with evidence of corruption in the best interest of nigerians?

8. There is a video of one of their night raids where they forcefully broke into the room of a hotel manager and rained heavy slaps on her.

9. Is that the product of "detailed and covert investigations?

Uptheante:
Appearance also matters .
There's no way you can be dressed in tattoos, earrings, dark lips, dreadlocks, etc (& you are not musician or footballer or a popular celeb) & EFCC won't suspect you to be a fraudster or criminal.

Not all investigations are 100% accurate, there are situations where errors occur & few innocent persons are picked alongside majority criminals, mostly based on rough, suspicious appearance as I've already stated.
But at the end of the day, those innocent persons are released unconditionally.

I'm not holding brief for EFCC, I'm just stating facts

what law in Nigeria's statutes says that a person "dressed in tattoos, earrings, dark lips, dreadlocks, etc (& you are not musician or footballer or a popular celeb)" is automatically a fraudster or criminal?

why does the EFCC not suspect that those occupying political office are thieves and criminals?

Kjaylit:
Make this people go focus on the real criminals and leave young lads alone

U Dey mind dem!!! Very useless agency…

lexy2014:
what law in Nigeria's statutes says that a person "dressed in tattoos, earrings, dark lips, dreadlocks, etc (& you are not musician or footballer or a popular celeb)" is automatically a fraudster or criminal?

why does the EFCC not suspect that those occupying political office are thieves and criminals?

Not everything must be written as a law before it can be applied.
There's what we call 'pattern recognition'.

If it has been observed that criminals dress/appear in a particular way , security agents will observe this pattern & it will it will enable them identify folks who dress like that as criminals.

EFCC observe pple that occupy political offices that's why a lot of them have been apprehended & investigated.
Some have been forced to forfeit their assets as proceeds of corruption.

Uptheante:
Not everything must be written as a law before it can be applied.
There's what we call 'pattern recognition'.

If it has been observed that criminals dress/appear in a particular way , security agents will observe this pattern & it will it will enable them identify folks who dress like that as criminals.

EFCC observe pple that occupy political offices that's why a lot of them have been apprehended & investigated.
Some have been forced to forfeit their assets as proceeds of corruption.

that is not what I asked you.

1. what law in Nigeria's statutes says that a person "dressed in tattoos, earrings, dark lips, dreadlocks, etc (& you are not musician or footballer or a popular celeb)" is automatically a fraudster or criminal?

2. why does the EFCC not suspect that those occupying political office are thieves and criminals?

lexy2014:
1. earlier you claimed that the reason EFCC is doing these raids and making arrests is because it has "made detailed & covert investigation about those occupying hotel rooms. They don't just rush into any random hotel & arrest pple at random."



if that is the case, are you now saying that EFCC is not actually doing these raids and making arrests NOT because it has "made detailed & covert investigation about those occupying hotel rooms. They don't just rush into any random hotel & arrest pple at random", BUT simply because these people being arrested do not have "cult status" and do not "hold high positions in the country"?

2. what is the "cult status" that you say the people I mentioned have?

3. how is arresting them and arresting them for committing crimes detrimental to national security?

4. are you saying that these men are greater and bigger than the federal republic of nigeria and its law enforecement agencies?

5. which law is EFcc using to withold information about the outcome of these so called investigations you talking?

6. can you show me the policy or law guiding EFcc which permitting it not to make public its investigation into criminal and corrupt activities of politicians?

7. how is raiding hotels and arresting random people and not arresting corrupt politcians with evidence of corruption in the best interest of nigerians?

8. There is a video of one of their night raids where they forcefully broke into the room of a hotel manager and rained heavy slaps on her.

9. Is that the product of "detailed and covert investigations?

1. Yes, I did said that, but let me clarify further:
Those yahoo boys are arrested in public because they don't have any influence in the society & lack foot soldiers that can rebel & pose national security threat as a result of their arrest. Hence, any hotel occupied by those yahoo boys can be easily invaded after covert investigation by EFCC & they will be arrested & paraded. Influential politicians are mostly invited first by EFCC, it's only when they fail to honour the invitation that an order will be made for their arrest.

2. A person with cult status has a very large dedicated die-hard & often fanatical fan base that are ready to fight for him or create insecurity in the country if they perceive that their principal is being humiliated. Hence, EFCC & other security agents are very careful with such a person no matter his crime.

3. I've already answered this before

4. These pple are not bigger than the federal government or security agencies, but the consequences of arresting them publicly or humiliating them is more like a pyrrhic victory.
Eg. killing a deadly lion at the cost of sustaining injuries that may leave you dead or scarred & disabled for life, instead of using some mechanisms to chase it away from your habitat.
There's something called risk to benefit ratio.
Smart pole with high IQ often weigh in the amount of benefit to be derived from a risky adventure & consider whether it is really worth the risk or undesirable consequences.
Even in the wild, predatory animals like lions, tigers, leopards, etc, avoid hunting some animals because the risk far outweighs the benefit.

5 & 6. If you are conversant with happenings in Nigeria, I'm sure you must have heard the outcomes of so many investigations by EFCC.
Some of the arrested were found guilty & their assets seized, some served terms, some were even banned from contesting political positions again, & some were declared not guilty.
If there are some cases where you feel the outcome of the investigation was not made public, you are free to request for info on such from EFCC. Under the Freedom of Information Act, you are entitled to such information.

7. National security is the interest of Nigerians.

8 & 9. Like I've said before, the EFCC agents are humans & they are prone to errors or high handedness at times during arrest.
However, if an individual feels he was manhandled unjustly during arrest, he's free to seek redress in court.

I painstakingly answered all your questions because I want other folks who share the same mindset with you to be enlightened.

lexy2014:
that is not what I asked you.

1. what law in Nigeria's statutes says that a person "dressed in tattoos, earrings, dark lips, dreadlocks, etc (& you are not musician or footballer or a popular celeb)" is automatically a fraudster or criminal?

2. why does the EFCC not suspect that those occupying political office are thieves and criminals?

1. There's no law for that, but you can't always rely on presence of a law before you carry out your legitimate duty as a law enforcement agent. Same with other facets of life.
Eg. There's no law for the creation of the office of the first lady, but it exists.
Why haven't you query that?🤔

2. If EFCC don't suspect them as thieves, then how come the same EFCC invite them for investigation & even seize their assets in many situations?

Uptheante:
1. There's no law for that, but you can't always rely on presence of a law before you carry out your legitimate duty as a law enforcement agent. Same with other facets of life.
Eg. There's no law for the creation of the office of the first lady, but it exists.
Why haven't you query that?🤔

2. If EFCC don't suspect them as thieves, then how come the same EFCC invite them for investigation & even seize their assets in many situations?

1. if there is no law that gives EFCC the right to suspect a person is a fraudster or criminal and arrest that person "dressed in tattoos, earrings, dark lips, dreadlocks, etc (& you are not musician or footballer or a popular celeb)", is the EFCC not acting unconstitutionally and unlawfully?

2. how is the EFCC suspecting them as thieves, inviting them for investigation & even seizing their assets in many situations when the same you claims that the EFCC cannot arrest them?

Uptheante:
Considering the cult status of such pple you mentioned, it will be highly detrimental to national security if they are arrested publicly or their properties raided.
These pple hold high positions in the country with massive influence.
Arresting them publicly will trigger an insurrection & by their millions of foot soldiers, leading to a domino effect that will seriously impact negatively on the already fragile security & effectively distabilize the country.

EFCC & the federal government is fully aware of this fact, that's why they don't publicize their investigations on such persons & it seems to you as if such persons are untouchable. Most often, what EFCC does with them is secret plea bargaining whereby they secretly agree to forfeit part of their loot in exchange for some sort of amnesty.

You can't compare them with your street yahoo boys who have no clout or influence that can trigger an internal rebellion if they are arrested.
To you, justice is flawed, but the anti corruption agencies are actually looking at national security in the best interest of Nigerians

lexy2014:
1. if there is no law that gives EFCC the right to suspect a person is a fraudster or criminal and arrest that person "dressed in tattoos, earrings, dark lips, dreadlocks, etc (& you are not musician or footballer or a popular celeb)", is the EFCC not acting unconstitutionally and unlawfully?

2. how is the EFCC suspecting them as thieves, inviting them for investigation & even seizing their assets in many situations when the same you claims that the EFCC cannot arrest them?

1. Does it have to be constitutional before sanity is restored & criminals are apprehended? What matters most is the safety & benefit of Nigerians. That's why I also asked if the office of the 1st lady is constitutional, even though it's existing & benefitting Nigerians.

2. They are mostly invited.
Even in rare cases where they are arrested, it is done in a respectful & secret manner not to trigger violent repercussions

Uptheante:
1. Yes, I did said that, but let me clarify further:
Those yahoo boys are arrested in public because they don't have any influence in the society & lack foot soldiers that can rebel & pose national security threat as a result of their arrest. Hence, any hotel occupied by those yahoo boys can be easily invaded after covert investigation by EFCC & they will be arrested & paraded. Influential politicians are mostly invited first by EFCC, it's only when they fail to honour the invitation that an order will be made for their arrest.

2. A person with cult status has a very large dedicated die-hard & often fanatical fan base that are ready to fight for him or create insecurity in the country if they perceive that their principal is being humiliated. Hence, EFCC & other security agents are very careful with such a person no matter his crime.

3. I've already answered this before

4. These pple are not bigger than the federal government or security agencies, but the consequences of arresting them publicly or humiliating them is more like a pyrrhic victory.
Eg. killing a deadly lion at the cost of sustaining injuries that may leave you dead or scarred & disabled for life, instead of using some mechanisms to chase it away from your habitat.
There's something called risk to benefit ratio.
Smart pole with high IQ often weigh in the amount of benefit to be derived from a risky adventure & consider whether it is really worth the risk or undesirable consequences.
Even in the wild, predatory animals like lions, tigers, leopards, etc, avoid hunting some animals because the risk far outweighs the benefit.

5 & 6. If you are conversant with happenings in Nigeria, I'm sure you must have heard the outcomes of so many investigations by EFCC.
Some of the arrested were found guilty & their assets seized, some served terms, some were even banned from contesting political positions again, & some were declared not guilty.
If there are some cases where you feel the outcome of the investigation was not made public, you are free to request for info on such from EFCC. Under the Freedom of Information Act, you are entitled to such information.

7. National security is the interest of Nigerians.

8 & 9. Like I've said before, the EFCC agents are humans & they are prone to errors or high handedness at times during arrest.
However, if an individual feels he was manhandled unjustly during arrest, he's free to seek redress in court.

I painstakingly answered all your questions because I want other folks who share the same mindset with you to be enlightened.

I did NOT ask you if you said or didnt say and I did not ask you to clarify anything. I asked you "are you saying that..."


1. earlier you claimed that the reason EFCC is doing these raids and making arrests is because it has "made detailed & covert investigation about those occupying hotel rooms. They don't just rush into any random hotel & arrest pple at random."

Uptheante:
Before EFCC raids any hotel to arrest internet fraudsters, they must have made detailed & covert investigation about those occupying hotel rooms.
They don't just rush into any random hotel & arrest pple at random.

if that is the case, are you now saying that EFCC is not actually doing these raids and making arrests NOT because it has "made detailed & covert investigation about those occupying hotel rooms. They don't just rush into any random hotel & arrest pple at random", BUT simply because these people being arrested do not have "cult status" and do not "hold high positions in the country"?

2. I didnt ask you about "a person". I asked you about the people I mentioned.

what is the "cult status" that you say the people I mentioned have?

3. are the Crimes committed by the people I mentioned not detrimental to national security?

how is arresting them and arresting them for committing crimes detrimental to national security?

4. but you claimed that the people I mentioed CANNOT be arrested because their aarest will lead to insurrection and is detrimental to national security.

how doe that not show that they are greater and bigger than Nigeria and its law enforcement agencies?

5. which law is EFcc using to withold information about the outcome of these so called investigations you talking about?

6. can you show me the policy or law guiding EFcc which permitting it not to make public its investigation into criminal and corrupt activities of politicians?

7. how is raiding hotels and arresting random people and not arresting corrupt politcians with evidence of corruption in the best interest of nigerians?

how is corruption in the best interest of nigerians?

8. There is a video of one of their night raids where they forcefully broke into the room of a hotel manager and rained heavy slaps on her.

Is that the product of "detailed and covert investigations?OT

Uptheante:
1. Does it have to be constitutional before sanity is restored & criminals are apprehended? What matters most is the safety & benefit of Nigerians. That's why I also asked if the office of the 1st lady is constitutional, even though it's existing & benefitting Nigerians.

2. They are mostly invited.
Even in rare cases where they are arrested, it is done in a respectful & secret manner not to trigger violent repercussions

that is not what I asked you.

1. if there is no law that gives EFCC the right to suspect a person is a fraudster or criminal and arrest that person "dressed in tattoos, earrings, dark lips, dreadlocks, etc (& you are not musician or footballer or a popular celeb)", is the EFCC not acting unconstitutionally and unlawfully?

2. how is the EFCC suspecting them as thieves, inviting them for investigation & even seizing their assets in many situations when the same you claims that the EFCC cannot arrest them?

lexy2014:
I did NOT ask you if you said or didnt say and I did not ask you to clarify anything. I asked you "are you saying that..."


1. earlier you claimed that the reason EFCC is doing these raids and making arrests is because it has "made detailed & covert investigation about those occupying hotel rooms. They don't just rush into any random hotel & arrest pple at random."



if that is the case, are you now saying that EFCC is not actually doing these raids and making arrests NOT because it has "made detailed & covert investigation about those occupying hotel rooms. They don't just rush into any random hotel & arrest pple at random", BUT simply because these people being arrested do not have "cult status" and do not "hold high positions in the country"?

2. I didnt ask you about "a person". I asked you about the people I mentioned.

what is the "cult status" that you say the people I mentioned have?

3. are the Crimes committed by the people I mentioned not detrimental to national security?

how is arresting them and arresting them for committing crimes detrimental to national security?

4. but you claimed that the people I mentioed CANNOT be arrested because their aarest will lead to insurrection and is detrimental to national security.

how doe that not show that they are greater and bigger than Nigeria and its law enforcement agencies?

5. which law is EFcc using to withold information about the outcome of these so called investigations you talking about?

6. can you show me the policy or law guiding EFcc which permitting it not to make public its investigation into criminal and corrupt activities of politicians?

7. how is raiding hotels and arresting random people and not arresting corrupt politcians with evidence of corruption in the best interest of nigerians?

how is corruption in the best interest of nigerians?

8. There is a video of one of their night raids where they forcefully broke into the room of a hotel manager and rained heavy slaps on her.

Is that the product of "detailed and covert investigations?OT

1. Yes, they arrest those yahoo boys in the hotel because they are not influential in the society & they lack the cult status/ fan base that can threaten national security.

2. My answer applies to all of them not one person.

I have already answered the rest of your questions in my previous reply.

Just know it that EFCC are working in the best interest of the country & they are humans prone to making few mistakes in one way or the other.
It's unfair to use their little mistakes to overshadow their positive impacts to the society.

Uptheante:
Appearance also matters .
There's no way you can be dressed in tattoos, earrings, dark lips, dreadlocks, etc (& you are not musician or footballer or a popular celeb) & EFCC won't suspect you to be a fraudster or criminal.

Not all investigations are 100% accurate, there are situations where errors occur & few innocent persons are picked alongside majority criminals, mostly based on rough, suspicious appearance as I've already stated.
But at the end of the day, those innocent persons are released unconditionally.

I'm not holding brief for EFCC, I'm just stating facts

I have read your posts and really surprised. It's either you work for government or an efcc official. I hope you don't fall a victim someday if its none of them. You need to travel and experience things so you can understand how far behind we are as a nation. If someone decides to have a tattoo and dress the way he likes, does that mean he is fraudster. Why don't they go to big hotels in lagos, does it mean fraudsters are not there? Stop defending the rascality. I have not visited Nigeria for 3 years plus now but if do visit, I would be so scared of the police. This is me speaking from bitter experiences of which i was innocent.