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Ken4Christ:
It's in the Bible. Go read Revelation 21 and 22

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E no dey ooo !

Yahweh can not dwell inside house on earth.

Janosky:
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E no dey ooo !
Yahweh can not dwell inside house on earth.

The New Jerusalem is what he wants to call heaven but is heaven literally coming down to Earth?
Of course not!

Dtruthspeaker:
You are correct on the heaven part for heaven is already with us because earth and heaven work together. And the Bible tells us that this heaven and earth will be extinguished and new ones would be brought to replace them.

So it is the new heaven and earth that the qualified like Job, Daniel, Noah, Paul, the disciples and all of us who walk in the way of God shall get

However, since those who know that they deserve to be punished now started deceiving themselves so that they could sleep at night, God then decided to expressly stated what was already in all our hearts which is that they must all be superbly and justly punished for all their wickedness.

And that is not just is enough that they died? No!

They are to suffer each jolt and pain and suffering they have given others.

Which is why God came in Mathew and started declaring what we already have in our minds that there is a place of punishment for the very bad and the very very bad

What if the unbelievers didn't give pain and suffering to other, he/she just didn't belief?

Ken4Christ:
Revelation 21:2,3, 22, 23.
2 And I John saw the holy city, NEW JERUSALEM, COMING DOWN FROM GOD OUT OF HEAVEN, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the TABERNACLE OF GOD IS WITH MEN, AND HE WILL DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Revelation 22:3-5
3 And there shall be no more curse: but THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

4 AND THEY SHALL SEE HIS FACE; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; FOR THE LORD GOD GIVETH THEM LIGHT: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

What can we deduce from all these?

The New Jerusalem came down from heaven and became the new heaven where God himself dwells.

And the Scripture says that we shall see his face which wasn't possible even till now.

Heaven and earth is now merged into one with the New Jerusalem as the headquarter. Other nations will pay yearly pilgrimage to the Holy city.

The Holy city doesn't need the Sun or the moon because the glory of God will lighten it and Christ is that glory.

Just read Chapter 21 and 22 of the book of Revelation to get the total picture.

So which heaven did the new Jerusalem come down from? Former heaven or new heaven?

justlove91:
What if the unbelievers didn't give pain and suffering to other, he/she just didn't belief?

C'mon, don't deceive yourself. We all know that every man born into this world becomes wicked and evil and loves to sin and give pain and suffering.

In fact people call you a ef and hate you when you are not wounding and causing others to cry

So, it is not possible that an unbeliever will not cause pain, and in fact that is the difference between a believer and an unbeliever

Dtruthspeaker:
C'mon, don't deceive yourself. We all know that every man born into this world becomes wicked and evil and loves to sin and give pain and suffering.

In fact people call you a ef and hate you when you are not wounding and causing others to cry

So, it is not possible that an unbeliever will not cause pain, and in fact that is the difference between a believer and an unbeliever

So where would the believer feel this pain when he dies?

Truthseeker10:
So where would the believer feel this pain when he dies?

When your wife sleeps with your brother where did you feel the pain?

Dtruthspeaker:
When your wife sleeps with your brother where did you feel the pain?

You mean you felt the pain of your wife sleeping with your brother here on earth? Will bad people also feel the pain on earth after they have died?

Truthseeker10:
So which heaven did the new Jerusalem come down from? Former heaven or new heaven?

From the former heaven.

Ken4Christ:
From the former heaven.

Below is Revelation 21:1.

King James Bible
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

New Living Translation
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone

If the first heaven was no more, which heaven did new Jerusalem come down from in Revelation 21:10?

Ken4Christ:
From the former heaven.

Hmmmmmmm, funny Churchgoer!

He doesn't know anything except Hellfire.

New heaven will come down from the former heaven.

When we knock on your door to TEACH you what is in the Bible you will claim pastor, born again.

Well continue deceiving yourself!🙂

Dtruthspeaker:
C'mon, don't deceive yourself. We all know that every man born into this world becomes wicked and evil and loves to sin and give pain and suffering.

In fact people call you a ef and hate you when you are not wounding and causing others to cry

So, it is not possible that an unbeliever will not cause pain, and in fact that is the difference between a believer and an unbeliever

Will you say Mahtma Gandhi and Dalai Lama are wicked and evil and love to sin and give pain and suffering to others?

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmm, funny Churchgoer!

He doesn't know anything except Hellfire.

New heaven will come down from the former heaven.

When we knock on your door to TEACH you what is in the Bible you will claim pastor, born again.

Well continue deceiving yourself!🙂

I didn't say so. It's what the scripture says. Your problem is unbelief.

Truthseeker10:
Below is Revelation 21:1.

King James Bible
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

New Living Translation
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone

If the first heaven was no more, which heaven did new Jerusalem come down from in Revelation 21:10?

The new heaven and the new earth is the new Jerusalem city on earth. The old heaven passed away after the creation of the new heaven.

Ken4Christ:
I didn't say so. It's what the scripture says. Your problem is unbelief.

That's not what the scriptures say you're saying entirely another thing because you don't know what the scriptures say.

The New Heaven doesn't come from the Old Heaven God CREATED a new heavens and a new earth, so the scriptures say the former heavens and earth have passed away (destroyed) Revelations 21:1

Instead of humbly learning what we know that makes us efficient Bible scholars you keep wailing over your lies of Hellfire thinking i's a key to convince everyone!🙂

Ken4Christ:
The new heaven and the new earth is the new Jerusalem city on earth. The old heaven passed away after the creation of the new heaven.

No!
Stop lying!
The Bible said new Jerusalem is to come down from heaven:

I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelations 21:2

You can never ever understand all these things unless we TEACH you but since you wish to blacklist us go ahead and continue deceiving yourself!🙂

Ken4Christ:
The new heaven and the new earth is the new Jerusalem city on earth. The old heaven passed away after the creation of the new heaven.

1)So which heaven was new Jerusalem coming down from in Revelation 21:10 if the former heaven had disappeared in Revelation 21:1?.

2) Are you claiming with your statement above in bold that the former earth will not disappear?

I want to see how pastor Ken will explain what the scriptures meant by liking the new heavens to a bribe adorned for her husband if it's just a literal city! Revelations 21:2

Truthseeker10:
1)So which heaven was new Jerusalem coming down from in Revelation 21:10 if the former heaven had disappeared in Revelation 21:1?.
2) Are you claiming with your statement above in bold that the former earth will not disappear?

I remember a freethinker once told this funny Churchian to learn from Max how true Christians handle Bible based discussions because he doesn't know anything other than claiming everyone will go to Hellfire for not agreeing with his confusion:

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

The above comment is in response to Ken after claiming the commentator will burn in Hellfire for not agreeing with him!

justlove91:
Will you say Mahtma Gandhi and Dalai Lama are wicked and evil and love to sin and give pain and suffering to others?

When they were born did they not set leg for their friend to fall? Or did they not angrily push their friend to fall and wound be because the person did better than them? Or did they not plot to steal their friends' girlfriend? Or did they not lie against somebody? Or did they not desire somebody's wife or even fornicated and visited their own Allen avenues?

Truthseeker10:
You mean you felt the pain of your wife sleeping with your brother here on earth? Will bad people also feel the pain on earth after they have died?

When you felt the pain of your wife sleeping with your brother, did you not say "you don die ooo?" Yet, you were still breathing and we were looking at you as you don die.

Dtruthspeaker:
When you felt the pain of your wife sleeping with your brother, did you not say "you don die ooo?" Yet, you were still breathing and we were looking at you as you don die.

🤣🤣🤣this man.

Dtruthspeaker:
When they were born did they not set leg for their friend to fall? Or did they not angrily push their friend to fall and wound be because the person did better than them? Or did they not plot to steal their friends' girlfriend? Or did they not lie against somebody? Or did they not desire somebody's wife or even fornicated and visited their own Allen avenues?

Lol...and how did you know for sure they did all those? Even if they did, that was when they were young, now they've grown pass that, you shock they can grow pass that without the help me of your Jesus

[quote author=Truthseeker10 post=136980008]1)So which heaven was new Jerusalem coming down from in Revelation 21:10 if the former heaven had disappeared in Revelation 21:1?.

2) Are you claiming with your statement above in bold that the former earth will be burnt up. The former earth didn't disappear, but it was regenated. It was revived. The only way the Holy city can land on the earth is all the former nations in that location will melt away.

Apostle Peter saw this revelation when he wrote:

2 Peter 3:10-12
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? note

MaxInDHouse:
That's not what the scriptures say you're saying entirely another thing because you don't know what the scriptures say.

The New Heaven doesn't come from the Old Heaven God CREATED a new heavens and a new earth, so the scriptures say the former heavens and earth have passed away (destroyed) Revelations 21:1

Instead of humbly learning what we know that makes us efficient Bible scholars you keep wailing over your lies of Hellfire thinking i's a key to convince everyone!🙂

Verse 1 of chapter 21 says what God did. The verses that followed is the process. If you don't understand, give your life to Christ so you can understand spiritual things.

In any case, at least, you now believe that the new heaven will be on earth. God himself shall dwell amongst us and we shall see his face. Not people like you who has rejected the free gift of salvation. You will be wailing and gnashing your teeth in the Lake of Fire day and night unless you repent. The choice is yours. Stop hardening your heart. The Holy Spirit is even speaking to you right now.

Ken4Christ:
The former earth didn't disappear, but it was regenated. It was revived. The only way the Holy city can land on the earth is all the former nations in that location will melt away.

Apostle Peter saw this revelation when he wrote:

2 Peter 3:10-12
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? note

Below is Revelation 21:1
King James Bible
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

New Living Translation
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone

Does the above verses not confirm that the former heaven and earth disappeared before the new Jerusalem started coming down from heaven?

Ken4Christ:
Verse 1 of chapter 21 says what God did. The verses that followed is the process. If you don't understand, give your life to Christ so you can understand spiritual things. In any case, at least, you now believe that the new heaven will be on earth. God himself shall dwell amongst us and we shall see his face. Not people like you who has rejected the free gift of salvation. You will be wailing and gnashing your teeth in the Lake of Fire day and night unless you repent. The choice is yours. Stop hardening your heart. The Holy Spirit is even speaking to you right now.

Answer the question.

It's New Jerusalem the Bible says will come to earth not new heaven.

So stop lying!

MaxInDHouse:
Answer the question.

It's New Jerusalem the Bible says will come to earth not new heaven.

So stop lying!

But its the new heaven. When a president office is located in a city, what is that city called?

The scripture says that the throne of God and of lamb shall be in the new city. What does that mean to you? God has moved is hq to the New Jerusalem and that automatically becomes the new heaven. It's common sense

You had better be born again otherwise, you will not be granted access to this glorious city

Truthseeker10:
Below is Revelation 21:1
King James Bible
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

New Living Translation
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone

Does the above verses not confirm that the former heaven and earth disappeared before the new Jerusalem started coming down from heaven?

All these are translators error.

Well, what matters is that there will be a new heaven and a new earth. Only those who are born again will enter. Are you born again?

Ken4Christ:
All these are translators error.

Well, what matters is that there will be a new heaven and a new earth. Only those who are born again will enter. Are you born again?

🤣🤣🤣what is the Greek word that is being translated wrongly? Please answer because It is either the translations are false or you are a false teacher