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@Ofemannnu, you're speaking to an educated man. I've studied this stuff for more than 10 years, your tricks and your way of pretending to be knowledgeable don't work on me.

As I was saying. The title for the emperor of Benin is "Oba" and that title was copied by the yoruba during the colonial era.

I'm not saying this as a way to vex or to attack you and your yoruba people or to aggrandise my people, I'm saying it because it is the truth. I hate when people copy you and then claim you are the actual copy and they are the original.

Mr man, yoruba is a new thing in the region, in the years 1700's there was no such thing as yoruba, instead we had a giant Benin empire !
Yoruba came to being with the creation of oyo which was also called yarr.iba and it is that yarri.ba which was turned into yoruba, and it's meaning has been transformed over the years to include non oyo people and fairytales like oduduwa have been created to give a common origin to the different non related "yorubas".

So mr man, a "pikkin" can't father an old man, Benin empire can therefore not originate from much younger Ife which by the way never was an empire. Ife was a small settlement until 1912 when the British started building it up.

These guys always try to pretend to know what they don't know.

Ghostagain:
@Ofemannnu, you're speaking to an educated man. I've studied this stuff for more than 10 years, your tricks and your way of pretending to be knowledgeable don't work on me.

As I was saying. The title for the emperor of Benin is "Oba" and that title was copied by the yoruba during the colonial era.

I'm not saying this as a way to vex or to attack you and your yoruba people or to aggrandise my people, I'm saying it because it is the truth. I hate when people copy you and then claim you are the actual copy and they are the original.

Mr man, yoruba is a new thing in the region, in the years 1700's there was no such thing as yoruba, instead we had a giant Benin empire !
Yoruba came to being with the creation of oyo which was also called yarr.iba and it is that yarri.ba which was turned into yoruba, and it's meaning has been transformed over the years to include non oyo people and fairytales like oduduwa have been created to give a common origin to the different non related "yorubas".

So mr man, a "puking" can't father and old man, Benin empire can therefore not originate from much younger Ife which by the way never was an empire. Ife was a small settlement until 1912 when the British started building it up.

lol
I am sure you are not Benin but one of the usual hateful culprits.
There are lots of authentic historical books I can advise you to go and read but go read this first:
Cambridge University Press & Assessment
https://www.cambridge.org
The Origins of the Benin Kingship in the Works of Jacob Egharevba
by S Eisenhofer.


To make it easier for you,read those historical screenshots. ...

https://www.nairaland.com/4483798/chiefdom-ogiso-kingdom-bini-both

It's as if I were speaking to cows, I already told you that history is not studied in contemporary books which are nothing but revisionism.

History is studying in eyewitness written documents, that is what I presented to you guys while you, of course, brought up a contemporary book written by people who never witnessed the stories they talk about, actually they talk about things which supposedly happened thousands of years before their birth 🤡

Can you even tell me what happened in my area just one week ago ?

Education and logic is what you guys lack.

Putinofrussia:
lol
I am sure you are not Benin but of the usual hateful culprits.
There are lots of authentic historical books I can advise you to go and read but go read this first:
Cambridge University Press & Assessment
https://www.cambridge.org
The Origins of the Benin Kingship in the Works of Jacob Egharevba
by S Eisenhofer


To make it easier for you,read those historical screenshots. ...

https://www.nairaland.com/4483798/chiefdom-ogiso-kingdom-bini-both

But again, you are a consumer of intellectual content, I am a creator of intellectual content, we are not at the same level, so it is rather strange that you believe you can lecture me, I'm at the level or above the level of those you love to quote without thinking for yourself.

History is not a story, it's a set of claims which all are attached to a proof (in the form of eyewitnesses written documents).

Now that lecture was for free, perhaps you can now see the difference between fairytale/myth and history.

This guy believes a revisionism book becomes authentic if it is attached to a famous university 😂 Boy who do you think you are dealing with ? I'm not a simpleton.

It's funny how you guys don't realise that you go way too far in your delusions, now you think you are in a position to tell me if I'm Edo or not ?

When will your madness stop ?
You've claimed my monarchs title, my monarchs origine, my people's artefacts, my people's culture altogether, and now your "iyaloja" wants to come and claim my people's markets as well, and you go further to give yourself the "authority" to tell me I'm not from my own people 🤡

Me merely proving my point without insults while responding to a yoruba who was insulting me is what you call hate 🤡

You are hurt by facts but facts are facts and you must accept reality, stop deluding yourself.

At some point you guys will have to realise that your obsession with my people is not healthy ! You have totally forgotten your own heritage while trying to fight for my rightful heritage.

You guys will never be authentic so long you keep trying to copy my culture, no matter how many times you claim you are the original. It's clownish to just go on copying other people and not even acknowledge the people you are copying, better yet, you could just be yourselves and be proud of your own true culture and stop dragging mine with me.

Putinofrussia:
lol
I am sure you are not Benin but one of the usual hateful culprits.

Ghostagain:
@Ofemannnu, you're speaking to an educated man. I've studied this stuff for more than 10 years, your tricks and your way of pretending to be knowledgeable don't work on me.

As I was saying. The title for the emperor of Benin is "Oba" and that title was copied by the yoruba during the colonial era.

I'm not saying this as a way to vex or to attack you and your yoruba people or to aggrandise my people, I'm saying it because it is the truth. I hate when people copy you and then claim you are the actual copy and they are the original.

Mr man, yoruba is a new thing in the region, in the years 1700's there was no such thing as yoruba, instead we had a giant Benin empire !
Yoruba came to being with the creation of oyo which was also called yarr.iba and it is that yarri.ba which was turned into yoruba, and it's meaning has been transformed over the years to include non oyo people and fairytales like oduduwa have been created to give a common origin to the different non related "yorubas".

So mr man, a "pikkin" can't father an old man, Benin empire can therefore not originate from much younger Ife which by the way never was an empire. Ife was a small settlement until 1912 when the British started building it up.

Benin empire was a Yoruba empire and not Edoid. The capital and the largest cities were Yoruba speaking. Benin, Akure and Warri spoke the same language. Edo speaking started in Benin when the Edo speakers entered the city after the decline of the empire.. Benin today is still surrounded by Yoruba speaking communities and lands. History should be stated correctly. Benin was a Yoruba State pure and simple not different from the other Yoruba states of west Africa. The present Benin Kingdom is now Edoid

Ghostagain:
It's funny how you guys don't realise that you go way too far in your delusions, now you think you are in a position to tell me if I'm Edo or not ?

When will your madness stop ?
You've claimed my monarchs title, my monarchs origine, my people's artefacts, my people's culture altogether, and now your "iyaloja" wants to come and claim my people's markets as well, and you go further to give yourself the "authority" to tell me I'm not from my own people 🤡

Me merely proving my point without insults while responding to a yoruba who was insulting me is what you call hate 🤡

You are hurt by facts but facts are facts and you must accept reality, stop deluding yourself.

At some point you guys will have to realise that your obsession with my people is not healthy ! You have totally forgotten your own heritage while trying to fight for my rightful heritage.

You guys will never be authentic so long you keep trying to copy my culture, no matter how many times you claim you are the original. It's clownish to just go on copying other people and not even acknowledge the people you are copying, better yet, you could just be yourselves and be proud of your own true culture and stop dragging mine with me.

Even in Yoruba land Iyaloja is specific to markets and they report to the palace. I have never heard of overall Iyaloja in history

This is one problem with you guys, you confuse your beliefs with reality. All you just spewed here is backed by nothing but hot air.
Benin empire was multilingual. The language of the capital is the language of the Oba himself and it is called Edo.

You yoruba have some obsession with my people and you dream day and night that we were yoruba.

Also you fail to understand that in the period you are talking about, there was no such thing as yoruba. Your yoruba language of today is derived from many local languages of the precolonial era and also from slave returnee language. The identity "yoruba" is a new thing, you can't take a period in which it didn't exist and start examining things of that period with the perspective of today in which the yoruba identity exists.

If you're not from oyo, then your ancestors from 200 years ago didn't identify as yoruba and would have dealt with you if you called them yoruba. You can chose your identity, not that of your ancestors.

lawani:
Benin empire was a Yoruba empire and not Edoid. The capital and the largest cities were Yoruba speaking. Benin, Akure and Warri spoke the same language. Edo speaking started in Benin when the Edo speakers entered the city after the decline of the empire.. Benin today is still surrounded by Yoruba speaking communities and lands. History should be stated correctly. Benin was a Yoruba State pure and simple not different from the other Yoruba states of west Africa. The present Benin Kingdom is now Edoid

Ghostagain:
This is one problem with you guys, you confuse your beliefs with reality. All you just spewed here is backed by nothing but hot air.
Benin empire was multilingual. The language of the capital is the language of the Oba himself and it is called Edo.

You yoruba have some obsession with my people and you dream day and night that we were yoruba.

Also you fail to understand that in the period you are talking about, there was no such thing as yoruba. Your yoruba language of today is derived from many local languages of the precolonial era and also from slave returnee language. The identity "yoruba" is a new thing, you can't take a period in which it didn't exist and start examining things of that period with the perspective of today in which the yoruba identity exists.

If you're not from oyo, then your ancestors from 200 years ago didn't identify as yoruba and would have dealt with you if you called them yoruba. You can chose your identity, not that of your ancestors.

Even the letter that the British wrote to the Oba was written in Yoruba. There were many languages in the empire but the language of Benin city was Yoruba unlike today. If you believe any other thing you are believing lies

Yoruba have always known themselves to be one people speaking dialects of the same language

Why do you keep making things up ? Which letter did the British write to the Oba was in yoruba ?

What is wrong with you ?

Why are you so obsessed with making claims about Benin city ?
Don't you guys have your own cities and your own past ?

The fact you believe you know our past better than us is extremely strange.

Look I don't have time to educate you on my people's history. Just focus on your own people and leave my people alone.

Don't you find it strange how you keep harassing us Edo people by making strange claims ?

lawani:
Even the letter that the British wrote to the Oba was written in Yoruba. There were many languages in the empire but the language of Benin city was Yoruba unlike today. If you believe any other thing you are believing lies

These guys seem to have psychiatric problems, the way they are obsessed with my people is really sickening.

Ghostagain:
Why do you keep making things up ? Which letter did the British write to the Oba was in yoruba ?

What is wrong with you ?

Why are you so obsessed with making claims about Benin city ?
Don't you guys have your own cities and your own past ?

The fact you believe you know our past better than us is extremely strange.

Look I don't have time to educate you on my people's history. Just focus on your own people and leave my people alone.

Don't you find it strange how you keep harassing us Edo people by making strange claims ?

It is not harassment to say that the lingua franca of the Benin empire was Yoruba. They were not speaking Edo to Warri and Akure people and inside Benin itself Yoruba was the language
I can't find the original paper I read but this is another one saying the treaty signed was in Yoruba before it was translated to Edo.
Benin city the capital of Benin empire was speaking Yoruba in the past and not Edo. It became Edo speaking when the empire declined

http://www.gamji.com/article6000/NEWS7869.htm

Ghostagain:
This is one problem with you guys, you confuse your beliefs with reality. All you just spewed here is backed by nothing but hot air.
Benin empire was multilingual. The language of the capital is the language of thje Oba himself and it is called Edo.

You yoruba have some obsession with my people and you dream day and night that we were yoruba.


Also you fail to understand that in the period you are talking about, there was no such thing as yoruba. Your yoruba language of today is derived from many local languages of the precolonial era and also from slave returnee language. The identity "yoruba" is a new thing, you can't take a period in which it didn't exist and start examining things of that period with the perspective of today in which the yoruba identity exists.

If you're not from oyo, then your ancestors from 200 years ago didn't identify as yoruba and would have dealt with you if you called them yoruba. You can chose your identity, not that of your ancestors.

Yoruba is a new word but calling themselves children of. Oduduwa or children of Olofin has always been the case. Yoruba is a word that came from Mali and was used originally for the Oyo. The Yoruba also call their land ile kaaro ojiire.

All Yoruba like myself have evidence of ancestry from all parts of Yoruba land. I am Ijesa in Osun and I have ancestors from Shagamu in Ogun state and etc
For a language of over seventy million speakers you expect dialects and that is normal
You make it sound as if it was the British that made the Yoruba see themselves as one people. That is wrong. They have always seen themselves as children of the same father from the same source. All the Kings are relatives
I am sorry if you are offended but Yoruba was the chief language of the Benin empire and it was the language of the capital which contained around 50k people at its prime

Ghostagain:
Your statement which precedes your question is inaccurate, these matters may not be very important to you, but they are to me and I don't want confusion about them to multiply.

1. Benin kingdom is a precolonial country whose capital is Benin city.
2. On precolonial maps you can see the size of Benin kingdom, it was not smaller than Nigeria.
3. I have to stress these things because most Nigerians do not know these facts. Most Nigerians confuse a king and a tribal leader.
The Oba of Benin is not a tribal leader, he's a true king with many ethnicities under him.
Just like the king of England has many ethnicities under him.

Many of you seem to hate being corrected and would rather remain in ignorance, but I shine the light of knowledge whenever I have time. The Oba wasn't talking about only Benin city contrary to what you stated, he was talking about Benin Kingdom.

Correcting someone is not an insult, it is actually a gift I offer that person, a gift of knowledge on a subject I know very well.

Okay. I think you are confusing some things and I will like to explain better;

1. I am a full born ans brought up indigene of Edo state. There is nothing you want to enlighten me about
2. Benin kingdom was a precolonial country. Emphasis on the "was".
3. Nobody called the Oba of Benin a tribal leader. You are the one making up these terms
4. In present day Edo state, Nigeria, the Oba of Benin doesn't have different ethnicities under him. He is only the king over the benin people. The benin people is one ethnic group. The Oba of Benin doesn't rule over the esans, the auchi people, the afemai people, the etsako people and other ethnic groups in Edo state.

You are the one who confuses several things and you being from Edo-state doesn't make you knowledgeable. It takes intellectual efforts to be knowledgeable.

For your information, no precolonial country within the space called Nigeria still exists today, that is why the term "precolonial" is being used, it means "prior to colonisation".

Nigerian monarchs whom weren't created by the Nigerian government or the British are standing today as representation of their precolonial countries and in the case of the Oba of Benin, that means the entirety of precolonial Benin Kingdom which includes the entirety of Edo-state and beyond.

Right now, it is the Nigerian government which rules in Nigeria, not the monarchs whose precolonial countries were colonised by the British.

People like you don't understand the concept of colonisation nor do you understand the meaning of precolonial era or post colonial era. As I said earlier, the Oba of Benin is not a tribal leader, he has several ethnicities under him. And that information, has nothing to do with what you perceived Benin kingdom to be today, that information is a historical fact which you can't erase because of your sentiments of today. All the groups you mentioned were part of the country ruled by Oba Ovonramwen, and that is what matters. Today it is the Nigerian government (created by the British) which rules. All the monarchs within the space which belonged to precolonial Benin were mere local representations of the Oba of Benin in the precolonial era, either you like it or not, this is fact. They can't start claiming to be kings after the British have colonised us and replaced our indigenous style of government by a corrupt nonsense which is now ruling instead of precolonial monarchs. If you were not a king before the kingdoms were destroyed by the British, what makes you a king after the kingdoms have been destroyed ? You are just a poser, an opportunist, a pretender claiming a position which never belonged to you.

Once again, history is what we go by, not proclamations of the alien British government nor the Nigerian imported government and by history, here is a map of Africa from 1747 (drawn by Emanuel Bowen)👇🏿 (you guys are way too emotional and don't care so much for logic, also stop making unverifiable claims of your origin, this is a faceless forum, I have no way to verify your probably false claims)

Amayabor1:
Okay. I think you are confusing some things and I will like to explain better;

1. I am a full born ans brought up indigene of Edo state. There is nothing you want to enlighten me about
2. Benin kingdom was a precolonial country. Emphasis on the "was".
3. Nobody called the Oba of Benin a tribal leader. You are the one making up these terms
4. In present day Edo state, Nigeria, the Oba of Benin doesn't have different ethnicities under him. He is only the king over the benin people. The benin people is one ethnic group. The Oba of Benin doesn't rule over the esans, the auchi people, the afemai people, the etsako people and other ethnic groups in Edo state.

You can't be calling yourself a king today that kingdoms no longer exist due to colonisation if you were not a king prior to colonisation.

It is very simple, if you are a true king, then show me the precolonial country which your throne was ruling over. So stop confusing everything, tribal leaders are not kings, most of you in Nigeria confuse the concept of tribal leader with that of king. The Oba is a King, his precolonial country had several ethnicities in it. Those are his people, sentiments you have today won't change historical facts.

Show me your precolonial country below to prove your "king" is a true King.👇🏿

Well done Sir for clearing nonsense.

@amayabor1,
For your information also, educated Edo people don't refer to themselves as "indigene of Edo state", that is how outsiders like to refer to us, we are Edo people. Our identity precedes the creation of Edo-state and the state got its name from us, not the other way around.

I am sure you are one of those recent migrants into our land who want to claim to be indigenous to the land. But you don't even know the history of the land.

Ghostagain:
You are the one who confuses several things and you being from Edo-state doesn't make you knowledgeable. It takes intellectual efforts to be knowledgeable.

For your information, no precolonial country within the space called Nigeria still exists today, that is why the term "precolonial" is being used, it means "prior to colonisation".

Nigerian monarchs whom weren't created by the Nigerian government or the British are standing today as representation of their precolonial countries and in the case of the Oba of Benin, that means the entirety of precolonial Benin Kingdom which includes the entirety of Edo-state and beyond.

Right now, it is the Nigerian government which rules in Nigeria, not the monarchs whose precolonial countries were colonised by the British.

People like you don't understand the concept of colonisation nor do you understand the meaning of precolonial era or post colonial era. As I said earlier, the Oba of Benin is not a tribal leader, he has several ethnicities under him. And that information, has nothing to do with what you perceived Benin kingdom to be today, that information is a historical fact which you can't erase because of your sentiments of today. All the groups you mentioned were part of the country ruled by Oba Ovonramwen, and that is what matters. Today it is the Nigerian government (created by the British) which rules. All the monarchs within the space which belonged to precolonial Benin were mere local representations of the Oba of Benin in the precolonial era, either you like it or not, this is fact. They can't start claiming to be kings after the British have colonised us and replaced our indigenous style of government by a corrupt nonsense which is now ruling instead of precolonial monarchs. If you were not a king before the kingdoms were destroyed by the British, what makes you a king after the kingdoms have been destroyed ? You are just a poser, an opportunist, a pretender claiming a position which never belonged to you.

Once again, history is what we go by, not proclamations of the alien British government nor the Nigerian imported government and by history, here is a map of Africa from 1747 (drawn by Emanuel Bowen)👇🏿 (you guys are way too emotional and don't care so much for logic, also stop making unverifiable claims of your origin, this is a faceless forum, I have no way to verify your probably false claims)

Eyaaah. Sorry 😅🤣😂. After gloating about the old benin empire, you will come back to reality and the reality is that;

1. The Oba of benin as it stands today lords over the benin people and the benin people only. No other ethnic group in Edo state is subservient to the Oba. It is just the benin people. There is the Otaru of Auchi, Enojie of Uromi and so many other countless traditional rulers in Edo state. You are a joker if, for example, you think an esan man from Ekpoma or an Etsako man from Owan, sees the Oba of Benin as their traditional ruler.

2. Let me show you how stupid your argument sounds; at the height of precolonial Benin Empire, the kingdom included present day Edo and delta states, part of present day Kogi, Ondo and Ekiti state. Present day onitsha, parts of present day Ghana and Togo and Benin Republic and so many other places I can't even remember. So, are you now saying that the people of these places today see the Oba of Benin as their traditional ruler because their present day communities were part of or under the precolonial Benin empire?

If the man in present day Ghana, Togo, Benin Republic, Delta state, Onitsha, Kogi etc doesn't look up to the Oba of Benin as their traditional ruler, what makes you think an esan man, auchi man, Etsako man, looks up to the Oba of Benin as their traditional ruler?

You have shared the map of the precolonial Benin Empire. Very good. Now, go throw that map away and look at the map of Nigeria. Then zoom into the map of Edo state. There, you will see communities within the state that are under the Oba of Benin. If you think every ethnic groups in Edo state is under the Oba of Benin, then you are a very big clown .🤣😅

Yoruba supremacist moderators are at it again. I can't defend my tradition with evidence and logic without getting repetitively banned...
Esan monarchs reminding outsiders like the guy above that the Oba is their father:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXWt2XBqJXk?si=iK15h3oID7zXfuHw

I don't need to waste my time talking too much with a man whose people migrated from bayelsa after colonisation. A beyelsan trying to claim he's indigenous to Edo-state and trying to rearrange Benin tradition 😂

In case you are not aware Mr outsider from bayelsa, the council of traditional rulers of Edo-state is called "Benin traditional council".
Also, once again, the name Edo itself means people of Benin Kingdom.

Enough said.

Map of Africa, 1747, Emanuel Bowen 👇🏿