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Iamzik:
After October 7 there is no more distinction between hamas and Palestinians

Are hamas members from a different planet? Are they not from the same Palestinian population? What are you saying sef?

Chief if you call for an election in Gaza today. Palestinians will vote for Hamas again so what are you talking about?

Where were those so called Palestinians when hamas was building tunnel and bomb under their schools and hospitals?

Sentiment and victim mentality does not win wars. In war there are no emotions ...If you launch a rocket at me from a hospital then the hospital becomes a legitimate target.

If you love these Palestinians so much you will advice them to release the Israeli hostages because without doing that isreal will have a legitimate excuse to overrun Gaza.

It is stupid to pick a fight you cannot win

tctrills:
The deal is simple, A peaceful surrender of Hamas and peace for the people of Gaza. All Arab countries agree to it, only Nigerian extremist and Hamas are making trouble.

Razzness:
So when Boko haram were gaining territories in Borno state. The federal government should have carpet bomb the whole of Borno state including civilians going about their daily lives.

I refuse to believe that Israel that has one of the most sophisticated military in the world cannot flush out Hamas from their tunnels without killing off an entire population. Isreal can be very very presice when it comes to their attacks in Lebanon, Syria, Iran and even in Qatar. They always know where their enemies are.

But when it comes to Gaza, they suddenly turn to Nigerian police and act as if they don't know what they are doing. Their goal is simple, they want the land. It's not rocket science.

Avedonn:
I hold Israel responsible for committing atrocities in Gaza. However, Hamas is also deeply culpable. They consistently use innocent civilians as human shields, a cowardly and brutal tactic that exacerbates the suffering of innocent civilians.

I believe it is time for the world's superpowers to take decisive action to eliminate Hamas once and for all. They have brought immense death and hardship upon the innocent people of Palestine, and their continued existence only perpetuates this cycle of violence.

DeepSight:
How come you ignore the factor of who will rule? Is it not Trump?

HydraFeeds:
It's not a peace plan if it bring a party down and ascribe domain authority to the enemy .

Your enemy's friend will not draft a plan that will favour you .


PS : I also believe that the UN is a toothless organisation,it's the body that should be responsible for making peace all over the world and no country should also have veto power .

I also think that the headquarters need to be moved away from US to a neutral country .

tctrills:
This is the first deal that Israel, Europe, the Arab world and the US are agreeing to this century but Hamas and it's Nigerian brethren beg to differ.
Now, do you even understand that wars have consequences?
Hamas has basically lost this war. Israel currently rules over more than 70% of Gaza. Hamas only bargaining chip is 48 hostages most already dead.
So it is not like Hamas currently rules over the land.
This deal is much better than what we have at present and it is simply taking away Gaza from Israel who currently have it and giving it temporarily to a body that has been agreed upon by the Arab world and Israel, given over thousands of Palestinian prisoners and the only thing Israel is getting in this deal is 48 hostages most already dead.
How is this not a great deal for the people living in Gaza?
Do you want peace or all along have you just been about condemning Israel.
Because as long as the war continues, you will have plenty to condemn but the day it ends, your work is done.
Oga choose peace. There is no gain in condemning Israel for no reason. I am not even sure you are paid for this job.

Razzness:
So when Boko haram were gaining territories in Borno state. The federal government should have carpet bomb the whole of Borno state including civilians going about their daily lives.

I refuse to believe that Israel that has one of the most sophisticated military in the world cannot flush out Hamas from their tunnels without killing off an entire population. Isreal can be very very presice when it comes to their attacks in Lebanon, Syria, Iran and even in Qatar. They always know where their enemies are.

But when it comes to Gaza, they suddenly turn to Nigerian police and act as if they don't know what they are doing. Their goal is simple, they want the land. It's not rocket science.

Razzness:
Israel defeated Hamas in less than a week after October 7. Since then the war became one sided. What Israel has mostly been doing since in demolition and making sure the people of Gaza do not see food or water. All this in an attempt to force the people of Gaza to leave the place. But the Gazans have stood firm and would rather die on their land than live as refugees in other countries. If say na black people, e sure me die say all of us for don run leave the land for them since. E no go even reach 2 days.

DeepSight:
I dont think you have studied the 20 points carefully otherwise you will not say that the only thing Israel gains is the return of hostages. Secondly Satanyahu has said in Hebrew when he returned that they will never leave Gaza so who is fooling who. THIRDLY, you cannot ignore the point about the enemies of Palestine being appointed the government. That is absurd. That alone kills the deal.

tctrills:
I don't care what Natanyahu says in Hebrew or what Hamas says in Arabic. I care about the deal that both parties would be signing. Oga which of the 20 points in the deal is your problem because you are yet to mention which.
Lastly, it is evil to claim that the enemies of Palestinians is being appointed as government. Who are you to declare who's Palestine's enemies are.
You call the same nations that have fed, sustained and protected the Palestinians for years their enemies?
Thanks to the west, both Gaza and the West Bank had much better Human development index than most of Africa.
The Palestinian organization, the Arabs and the people of Gaza have not called these people their enemies but you and Hamas are busy declaring people trying to save Palestinians your enemies. Make this make sense.

Razzness:
Even when the ottoman empire fell, European influence did only a fraction of what it did in Africa. Na why their language, culture or religion no change. Additionally, Them no use them do slave trade industry like they use us.

DeepSight:
If you say that the USA which has armed and funded Israel throughout this and remains the only stumbling block to the UN declaring a State of Palestine is not their enemy then what's the point discussing anything with you. No point because you are obviously kidding.

tctrills:
What are you saying? The US has been by miles the biggest source of funds for the Palestinians so yes, they have funded both groups. The US has also been the biggest peace makers in the region. Every US president since 74 have tried to make peace. Every cease fire and successful peace deal in the region is the work of the US. From the Accords under Clinton to the Abraham deals under Trump. Please learn your history.
Lastly, if the people of Gaza and the Palestinian organization have not declared the US their enemy, why should anyone take you serious. Let us wait until the PO says that the US is their enemy. It should not be coming from someone like you who pretends to want peace.

DeepSight:
Agreed, past US Presidents have always tried to broker peace and in most of those efforts some of which were at Camp David, you would see both parties there with the US President (Arafat/ Israel). Please tell me who negotiated on behalf of Palestine this time.

Secondly Trump in particular cannot be considered neutral the way past US Presidents even tried to be. His talk of "Trump Gaza/ Rivieria of the Middle East" speaks enough and this is aside from the role the US has played in this matter since October 7 2023. Furthermore the inclusion of Blair is a slap on the face of everyone given his antecedents in the middle east.

No rational person can deny that making Trump and Blair the governors of Gaza is antithetical to peace and only represents a further layer of colonization. It is also a huge insult.

No rational person can deny that it represents a surrender.

Furthermore, you didnt mention the fact that the so called deal still leaves in place an "Israeil security perimeter" which is simply an euphemism for a continued blockade.

Yet further it makes no mention of Palestinian Statehood which is central to the issues.

Look, no matter how you twist it, everyone knows that Trump is best buddies with Satanyahu and is entirely on Israel's side, so making him the governor of Gaza will never fly, period.

tctrills:
So you know that the US have tried to make peace so why call the US an enemy. It's a very strong word and it's a lie.
Now to Trump, even in his first term, he proposed a peace plan and a 2 state solution.
Check out the link below.
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Trump_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_plan[/url]

The Palestinians rejected a 2 state solution under Trump but to liars he is an enemy
And even if a peace deal is coming from my enemy, I will take it and save the kids.
We both know that south Africa and Iran are not in position to organize peace so why not take the peace deal from the US.
If all the people that you call the enemy, stop negotiating peace and allow Israel to end the war, will that make your day?

DeepSight:
Many people have pointed out as I pointed out - who negotiated for Palestine in this so called deal? No one. So it is not a deal. It is an ultimatum.

And whether you like it for not, Trump remains the alter-ego of Israel in this matter and it remains nonsensical to have him as governor of Gaza, especially as they will be demilitarized. It will be a wholesale capitulation to Israel and a wholesale loss of their fight and rights. It will be enslavement and the truth is if you were on their side you would never accept it.

Aside from this, you have remained silent on Blair.

tctrills:
Only people like you who want kids to keep dying so you can blame Israel will find fault in this.
Again painting Trump bad is just you poor excuse to reject peace.
Why isn't South Africa or Iran presenting there own plan? It is the same Trump you love to hate that is in the middle of the peace deal.
You are right in one thing though, it is not yet a deal until Hamas accepts it.

Helinuse:
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Oh dear, it’s difficult being in the shoes of one thing so hard to make the Arabs look nice while making the West look bad.

They left their language and culture intact not because there was not clave trade but because the character of the conquerors (the West) was shaped by their religion and need for commerce.

Their religion gave us the freedom to choose acceptance or rejection unlike what the Arabs presented to North Africa.
Their culture (language, traditions, style, proved to be more superior and showed prospect for growth, that is why a lot of people accepted it and it was never forced on anyone. Unlike the Arabs and Northern Africa/Nigeria.

And those who took it were proven right. Arabic and the local languages have proven not to be able to complement the fast paced growth of human civilization. The growth of Arabic stopped where the expansionist from the Middle East stopped. But English is still growing up till today.

DeepSight:
Why should Trump and Blair govern Gaza?

What does "security perimeter" mean?

Why was there no Palestinian involvement in drafting this?

Wickedlywicked:
Thanks for this, it shows you are open to learning. You claimed that Israel defeated Hamas in less than a week after Oct 7 but how aren’t you seeing how wrong you sound?
How can you claim to defeat someone who still has your relatives in captivity?
The message and instruction is simple and clear, release the hostages taken and the war would be over. Why is that so hard for Hamas to comply with? Why are we all pretending like it’s not human beings that are held in Hamas’ captivity for almost two years now? Why are we pretending like it’s okay when Hamas kill Israeli civilians but becomes wrong when Israeli military kill Palestinian civilians (collateral casualties) in their effort to catch Hamas who are using them as shields? C’mon, those Israeli killed in Oct 7 and the ones still being held hostage are humans just like you and the Palestinians; they had their own dreams, aspirations, ambitions and futures just like you and I and the Palestinians you are fighting for. What was the sin of that Tanzanian kids that was killed like a dog by Hamas on the street of Israel on Oct 7? Why do you lots tend to be this selectively biased and pretending like it’s all normal? To think you are even African makes it even worse and sad. Again I ask, what was that Tanzanian boy’s sin? Was he also a Jewish infidel? Oh, you mean his life meant nothing since he wasn’t a Palestinian Arab/Muslim?
Many of us won’t be complaining this bitterly if : 1. You are not being biased by condemning both parties for killing and kidnapping and 2: if Hamas had been targeting only equally armed men like themselves.
So tell me, are you saying Hamas can kill an unarmed Jew at will but it becomes a genocide when Israeli forces do the same despite the fact that theirs (Israelis) are even a bit better because their primary targets aren’t always those innocent Palestinians since the deaths caused by Israel are mostly as a result of mistakes since Hamas think the best way to protect themselves is by living in the midst of innocent civilians.
Let me break it down a little more and I would like you to be the judge yourself.
The first party love to intentionally avoid armed counterparts to go after unarmed civilians while the other party enjoys going after armed fighters but heavy civilian deaths are recorded because those armed fighters love using the unarmed civilians as shields to protect themselves but as it stands today, many ‘woke’ people want us to pity the former while condemning the actions of the later for killing civilians while trying to get their targets.
This emotional blackmail isn’t working and will never work on us. We will start taking you seriously when you start condemning both parties equally!

Iamzik:
Ok since you know Israel's intention so well why do you keep supporting Hamas to give them more excuse to continue?

We said release the hostages you their supporters keep justifying why they should keep the hostages.... Can you see that your argument does not make any sense?

Razzness:
I didn't want to respond to you before. But the part where you said their language and religion is superior to our na em pain me. Which kind slave mentality be that.

Razzness:
I have not even seen a single person who supports Hamas keeping hostages. This is not a matter of picking sides. And if not for the Bible that makes you blindly support Israel you will not be saying all this things. If you can just imagine for one second that this is happening in your own hometown you will understand.

Ezeama400:
US saying peace plan is to make it sound more diplomatic…

This clown doesn’t have option, accept it or get ready to face your nemesis

Iamzik:
I have not mentioned bible in any of my argument here. So that is purely your own assumption.

Aside from the bible, we have history from thousands of years ago. If isreealis are not the owners of the land then where are the Israelis located on earth today?

And if you don't believe the Bible you will believe the Quaran if you are a Muslim. Palestine was never mentioned in the Quran but Israel was mentioned severally. What does that tell you about the history of the two?

Helinuse:
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He has gone to that very phrase that they think helps them win arguments.

Well, this is the mentality: their culture gave us airplanes, mathematics, space travel, automobiles, medicine, science, technology, etc. Dropping a culture that struggles with a snake inside a well (carving a folklore of Hausa bakwai da banza bakwai) for such is worth it. 🤣🤣🤣

It has proven superior as no none of these modern day solutions has been produced by African local culture or those Middle East r3l!g!on.

Disliking something shouldn’t necessarily make one lie against it. Their culture is proven superior.

And yes, you don’t have a response that is why you couldn’t respond.

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Razzness:
I don leave Bible and Quran for una. I no do again, na my head I dey use think now. Watin I know be say person no fit just come from Europe come tell Arabs ( the actual semites by the way) way dey stay there say God don dash them that land for Bible 3,000 years ago, so make them shift. Upon that one you still they kill them, they prosecute them join. If this thing happen for my village e go pain me well well.

DeepSight:
If you say that the USA which has armed and funded Israel throughout this and remains the only stumbling block to the UN declaring a State of Palestine is not their enemy then what's the point discussing anything with you. No point because you are obviously kidding.

tctrills:
Your message to Palestine would be, do not take the deal. Trump is your enemy. It's okay if your women and children keep dying, we would blame Israel.
How are you different from Hamas?

Razzness:
You need to wake up o. No race is superior to another. That sort of thinking is what made our ancestors Slaves. How can you as a black man even reason like this. It's very sad.

What the Arabs and Europeans did to us you think it has not halted our development. You think we were not developed before they came? We didn't have medicine, we didnt have art?

400 years of transatlantic slavery and you think it will not affect the growth of the continent. Over 2 million slaves taken to Arabia and you think it will not affect us?

They created arbitrary borders, created countries and forced people who could not coexist to live together whether they like it or not and you are here worshiping this people. I no go lie for you e dey pain me say my fellow black man dey reason like this.