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| Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by SeraphEl(op): 4:38pm On Apr 05, 2025*. Modified: 4:11pm On May 31 |
You Are "Salt" Of The Earth NOT "Sugar" Of The Earth. And Not Bitter Either. YOU are to be Salty NOT sweet. And NOT Bitter either. Note: there's a difference between saltiness and bitterness. Surely this has significant spiritual implications. Leviticus 2: 'all grain offering must be salted' and roasted by fire, and NO grain offering shall be made with leaven (yeast) or honey (sweet). Matthew 5: 'you are the salt of the earth'.....have salt in yourselves. Colossians 4, 'let your speech be seasoned with salt and grace' Question then is: Why is salt preferred over sugar? Think about the natural properties of salt vs. sugar (sweet). Salt in its inherent properties purifies, preserves, detoxifies, antiseptic, soothes/calms. Salt stings and like words that rebukes, corrects, admonishes, but it preserves life, it purifies from sin, it detoxifies of defilements, it wards off evil/sin, and while it may sting in the process, it is overall beneficial to your spiritual growth and development. On the hand........... Sugar sweetens and Yeast swells; but are empty calories. Sugary foods give energy for a little while, but soon enough dissipates and adds no lasting nutritional value. If consumed in excess, sugar/sweet foods are converted into fat storage which if accumulated can lead to various disease states, decay and ultimately death. Paul and Peter spoke of false teachers and prophets who give out ‘swelling words of vanity’ (=sugar, yeast). Beware of ministers whose ministry thrive on dishing out messages meant to make you feel good and to sooth itchy ears but lead to stunted and arrested spiritual growth and inevitable spiritual death. You yourself, take care not to be the 'sweet' Christian. Be salty, but do all with love and not out of bitterness either. . |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by SeraphEl(op): 5:11pm On Oct 04, 2025 |
Isaiah 5.14 “hell has enlarged its mouth wide and without measure, and many multitudes with their pomp and glory shall descend into it”. When asked if there be few that are saved? Listen to Yeshua's response, which HE effectively answers "YES". Luke 13.23-24 “….. strive to enter through the narrow gate for “Many” (=majority in Greek) shall seek to enter but shall not”. Matt 24.24 “Many are called (“Christians”), but few are the chosen (=true believers)”. Yes, in any given generation, there are actually few people that are truly saved In other words, yes, there be few that are truly saved and will thus make heaven. YES!! This means that hell is far more spacious, and most people will end up there. Here’s a hard fast rule that you can bank on: anything or ANYONE that is trendy, going viral, popular, mainstream is not of YHVH and is the broad way to hell spoken of in scripture. Truly as it is written, the kingdom of YHVH is as a HIDDEN treasure. This implies one must ‘search out the true things of YHVH, it isn’t common and popular. And only very few bother to go on this treasure hunt because it’s hard work, straight and narrow path and not exactly entertaining content that generates customers and revenue. So much foolishness abounds in churchianity today especially on social media. Tesla CEO's insightful (yet biblically true) comment on hell. As I was browsing through googles news feed, my eyes caught an article from one ‘Christian-ish’ website. In it was about an interview with CEO of Tesla where he had reportedly (& astutely mind you) admitted that (and I paraphrase), "though he was born and baptized Anglican (protestant in U.S), he is well aware that he was (is?) a cultural Christian. And though he approves of Jesus’ teachings, he is ok with going to hell if that is his destination since the vast majority of all humans ever born will be in hell anyway ”. He dropped a truth bomb; something that majority of American evangelicals would never admit even if it kills them. This is proof that the devil tells the truth 99% of the time. It’s the 1% lie that kills. Of EM's admittance, how insightful & refreshingly honest. Not saying that Musk is a devil, but the point being presented here is valid. One need not be a prophet to have spiritual intelligence and to speak prophetic truth. Even unbelievers can speak the truth of scripture; and even the most evil person can indeed be a voice for the divine (even if unaware). The people of this world (unbelievers) are wiser than so-called believers. This is that which is written, the people of this world are far wiser than those who call themselves Christians. Luke 16.8. I see and hear this sort of great spiritual insight from non-believers more so than from so-called believers. Why is this? It is the same reason heathen, and non-Christian countries tend to fair far better in all aspects of measure of happiness, and quality of life and in the issues of ethics and morality. It’s really a sad and terrible indictment on Christianity. Take Nigeria and United States for instance. As many churches, pastors and their self-imposed titles and Christians these countries claim, yet these nations seem to be one of the most outrightly corrupt nations than atheist countries of Europe such as Finland and Denmark; and Asia such as China and North Korea. What would happen if Christian ministers & influencers KNEW truth AND preached truth? Monsieur Musk rightly voiced what millions of so-called Christians (especially in the west) refuse to admit; and their ear tickling preachers and influencers will not preach. Alas, there's no fame and fortune in that truth, is there? There is a special place assigned in hell for “Christians” who have actively or passively inflict great harm upon the cause of Christ and cause HIS Name to be blasphemed. Here is a great truth: most Christian ministers (or whatever self-title they impose), are going to hell too. Sure, speaking the harsh truth would most likely make them lose members, congregants, followers, audience, customers and hence will their cash cows and livelihood will be in great jeopardy. Only for to say in that day “LORD, LORD…. And only for to hear, “depart from me, I never knew you….”. Scary stuff. Buy wisdom, do not sell it. Proverbs 23.23. |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:24pm On Oct 04, 2025 |
All dead people goes to Hell. Ecclesiastes 9:10 Complete the remaining characters. |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by SeraphEl(op): 4:00pm On Oct 19, 2025 |
The conditional security of a believer. Entering heaven is not automatic because you said the ‘magic words’ of salvation and ‘asked Jesus into your heart and you are saved and strolling to heaven ever so casually. Work is involved. Sorry. Just as you apply to get a job, then get the job, then hope to do nothing and get paid AND still keep the job. Just as you won’t apply to a university to get a degree, get accepted, then do nothing and except to get high marks and graduate with a degree. IF common sense and logic tell us such are delusional in matters of the secular and natural world, what makes one think that the spiritual world is any different? Getting saved and BEING or STAYING saved are two separate entities. It is demonic to conflate both; and claim ‘grace’ alone. It takes good work by virtue of grace to prove your salvation. Staying saved is an active ongoing process of sanctification to holiness and looking more like Christ and going from glory to glory till the day you die, or Christ returns. Those who endure to the end in this manner are the saved. the entirety of Bible from Genesis to Revelation teach that there are specific conditions that one must meet, just as there were also conditions of the Old Covenant. The focus here will be the new covenant scriptures as many of us already know that the old covenant was known by its works of the law. But for those who think all that ‘works of law’ was done away with in New Testament, the following scriptures will prove you wrong. Many of these conditions come in the form of admonitions and warnings. Pay particular attention to where the word ‘IF’ is used, which is indicative of conditionality. Pay specific attention to the "if", which is indicative of conditionality. Next: we shall let scripture speak. |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by SeraphEl(op): 4:04pm On Oct 19, 2025 |
It's true the Hebrew word used is Sheol which can be translated as 'grave' or in some instances hades or hell. The most correct usage in Eccl 9.10 is grave. Consider the entirety of scripture, we cannot assume doctrines on a single isolated passage. Clearly, Yeshua and NT writers spoke of a literal place called hell prepared for Satan, his angels, unbelievers and unrepentant believers. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:06pm On Oct 19, 2025 |
SeraphEl:Yeshua teaches in PARABLES {Matthew 13:13} so it's whatever you read in the Old Testament that's direct as written but when talking about Yeshua's teachings he said so many things using idioms! |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by SeraphEl(op): 1:08pm On Oct 25, 2025 |
Saved BY Grace, THRU Faith, UNTO Good Works. (Eph 2.10, Jam 2.20). The pure undiluted gospel of salvation: faith & grace + repentance THEN salvation is proved in fruit of spirit + good works by grace. (Acts 20.21; Gal 3.16, 22, Matt 3.8, Acts 26.20). Goal of salvation process = godliness + Christlike + sanctification unto holiness w/o which NO man can see YHVH (Heb 12.14) & enduring to the end = eternal security of salvation. Scriptures on conditional eternal security of believers. Part 1 of 5 # We do not void the law because of grace; we uphold the law. Romans 3.31: Do we then void the LAW because of FAITH (grace)? YHVH forbids; yea, we establish the law. Romans 6.1-15: What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning, so that grace may increase? By no means! # We uphold the law (of the spirit) by keeping HIS commandments, abiding in HIM in holiness. Luke 6.46: Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? But IF thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments (Matt 19.16-26). You are My friends IF you do what I command you. (John 15.14). Follow peace, and holiness, without which no man shall see the LORD. (Heb 12.14). 2 Tim 2.12: IF we deny Him, He also will deny us. IF anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them and cast them into the fire and they are burned.” (John 15. 6). IF anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.” (Joh 14.23). Hebrews 10.26-38: For IF we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,” . But My righteous one shall live by faith; and IF he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him. (Heb 10.38). # Produce good works, fruits of the Spirit & Obedient to HIS Word. Gal 5.22-23: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law (Gal 5.22-23) . For IF you are living according to the flesh, you must die… “But IF by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.” (Rom 8.13). James 2.14-17: IF someone says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him? … Even so, faith, IF it has no works, is dead, being by itself.” John 8.51: IF anyone keeps My word, he will never see death." John 8.31-32: IF you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free. IF anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. (Luke 9.23) # You must endure to the END Heb 3.6-14: But Christ was faithful as a Son over His house--whose house we are, IF we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end. (Heb 3.6) . For we have become partakers of Christ, IF we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end (Heb 3.14) Col1.21-23: IF indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard. 2 Peter 2.20-21: For IF, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed to them.” (2Pe 2:20-21) Next: Let scripture speak: Conditional security of a believer according to scripture. Part 2 of 5. |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by SeraphEl(op): 1:12pm On Oct 25, 2025 |
Son, bible is clear on this. There is a literal hell just as there is a literal heaven. The end. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:37pm On Oct 25, 2025 |
SeraphEl:If Bible is clear on it then when did Hell begin to exist because the opening words of the Bible says: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" Genesis 1:1 And as regards tormenting humans in a place of fire God said directly to Jeremiah: They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart. Jeremiah 7:31 So when did God change His mind?🙂 |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by SeraphEl(op): 3:41pm On Nov 30, 2025 |
Conditional security of a believers’ eternal salvation. Part 2 of 5. You cannot preach grace without the law. Without the law, the gospel of grace makes no sense and has no context. Without the law, there’s no sin. Sin is deviation from the standard of the law of the LORD. Without the law, there's no sin. IF there's no law to show sin, grace becomes an irrelevant, nonsensical concept. # No saved sinner will make heaven. Gal 5.19-23 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God…..” Gal 6.7: Do not be deceived: YHVH cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Sow in flesh, reap corruption (condemnation), sow in the spirit, reap life. Eph 5.5-7: For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of YHVH. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things the LORD’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. James 1.21-22: Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent, and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word and deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Rev 22.14-15 “14 Blessed are those who [g]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexual immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. # You must show your salvation BY your works. Matt 3.8 "Therefore bring forth fruit in keeping with repentance (salvation)." Matt 7.19-21 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." Matt 24.48-51 ''But IF that evil slave says in his heart, 'My master is not coming for a long time,' and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” James 2. 18 "You have faith, I have actions; prove to me your faith without actions and I will prove mine to you by my actions." Acts 26.20 "...they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds." 2 Cor 9.8 “And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work”. 2 Cor 13.5 “Test yourselves to see if you are in faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you--unless indeed you fail the test”? # It’s not the hearers of words that a justified, but doers of the word. Matt 23.3b "…. for they say things and do not do them." Luke 11.28. "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it." John 1.22 “but be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.” Romans 2.13 “For it is not the hearers of the law who are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.” 1 John 2.3 “By this we know that we have come to know Him, IF we keep His commandments.” 1 Jn 3.9: No one who is born of YHVH will continue to sin, because the LORD’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of YHVH. Proverbs 6.23: For the commandment is a lamp, and the law a light. 2 John 1.6 “This is love that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.” 1 Cor 4.20: “For the kingdom of YHVH does not consist in words, but in power.” Jas 1.26 “IF anyone thinks himself to be religious and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man's religion is worthless.” Conditional security of a believers’ eternal salvation: Scripture speaks. Part 3 of 5. |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by SeraphEl(op): 1:34pm On Jan 03 |
Conditional Security of Believers’ Eternal Salvation – Part 3 of 5 Certain teachings promote a distorted view of grace, suggesting it operates independently of YHVH’s law. However, the new covenant does not abolish the law; rather, it affirms its role. Grace only has meaning in the context of the law, for without the law there is no sin, and without sin, no need for grace (Romans 3:20; 4:15; 5:20-21). The sting of death is sin; and the power of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56; Gal 3:24). The law defines the standard, and sin is violation of the law (1 John 3:4). Faith and grace does not cancel need for good works. For you are saved by grace thru faith UNTO good works (Eph 2:8-10; James 2:10). Reject “Greasy Grace” Teaching Beware of doctrines that promote grace without accountability, encouraging sinful lifestyles under the guise of grace. Jesus warned against such teachers who mislead others (Matt 23:13–15). Pursue Daily Sanctification and Endurance • “Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” (Matt 5:48) • “Be diligent to present yourself approved to God.” (2 Tim 2:15) • “Work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and act according to His good purpose.” (Phil 2:12–13) • “If anyone among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, he will save his soul from death.” (Jas 5:19–20) • “Let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.” (Heb 4:1) • “Examine yourselves to see if you are in the faith.” (2 Cor 13:5) • “Here is the patience of the saints—those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.” (Rev 14:12) Reject Cheap Grace—Salvation Is Costly • “By the grace of God I am what I am…yet I labored more than all of them.” (1 Cor 15:10) • “Do not receive God’s grace in vain.” (2 Cor 6:1) • “See to it that no one misses the grace of God.” (Heb 12:15) • “The grace of God…teaches us to reject ungodliness and worldly desires and live godly lives.” (Titus 2:11–12) • “God is able to make all grace abound to you…so you may abound in every good deed.” (2 Cor 9:8} Endure and Confess Christ • “Everyone who confesses Me before men, I will confess before My Father…whoever denies Me, I will deny.” (Matt 10:32–33) • “The one who endures to the end will be saved.” (Matt 24:13) • “Whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him.” (Luke 9:26) • “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.” (John 14:15) Grace and Works in Harmony • “It is by grace you have been saved through faith…not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works.” (Eph 2:4–10) |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by SeraphEl(op): 3:23pm On Jan 31 |
Conditional Security of Believers’ Eternal Salvation (Part 4 of 5) True Salvation requires obedience, perseverance, and holiness, not mere profession of faith. Luke 6:43–44; Matthew 7:21 – True disciples bear good fruit and do the Father’s will. Ephesians 5:6; Matthew 15:7–8 – Do not be deceived by empty words; honor God with your heart, not just lips. Galatians 3:29; 4:7; 6:9 You are heirs of promise if you belong to Christ. As sons, you inherit through God. Do not grow weary in doing good, for in due time you will reap if you do not give up. 1 John 2:24 Abide in what you heard from the beginning; if it abides in you, you will abide in the Son and the Father. 1 John 4:12, 20; 1 John 1:6, 8, 10 God abides in us if we love one another. If we claim to love God yet hate our brother, we are liars. If we say we have fellowship but walk in darkness, we lie. If we deny sin, we deceive ourselves and make Him a liar. 1 Corinthians 11:31; 16:22; 15:1–2 Judge yourselves rightly to avoid judgment. Anyone who does not love the Lord is accursed. You are saved if you hold fast to the word preached—unless you believed in vain. 2 Corinthians 5:17 If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away. 2 Corinthians 13:5; 1 Corinthians 11:31 – Test yourselves to ensure you are in the faith. Titus 1:16; 2 Timothy 2:12–13 – If we endure, we will reign with Him; if we deny Him, He will deny us. 2 Timothy 3:5 – Avoid hypocrisy and mere appearance of godliness. Romans 8:16–17- The Spirit testifies that we are God’s children—and if children, then heirs with Christ—if we suffer with Him so we may also be glorified with Him. Romans 11:17–22- Do not be arrogant; remember, you stand by faith. If God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either. His kindness remains if you continue in it; otherwise, you will be cut off. Revelation 2–3 calls believers to repent, remain faithful, and overcome to receive the crown of life and the promise of eternal reward. Those who overcome will not suffer the second death and will have their names secured in the Book of Life. Revelation 12:17; 22:15 – Keep God’s commandments and the testimony of Christ. Revelation 14:9–11 – If anyone worships the beast or receives its mark, they will face eternal judgment. Next: Conditional Security of Believers’ Eternal Salvation (Part 5 of 5). Coming up: Series: The Remnant Principle (only few will be saved-> the narrow gate to life) |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:10am On Feb 01 |
When you read the Bible and found the word "SAVED" in relation to Christians it has a deeper meaning than you think. There are two categories of Christians. John 10:16 Jesus emphasized that the two will later become one in the future but first of all you must identify the two categories so as to have accurate knowledge of God's word. When Jesus began his ministry what he targeted was only Jews and no other tribe! Matthew 10:6 WHY? Because this nation have lasted for many centuries having God's temple and the sacred writings with them though they keep committing blunders but God never cancelled His promise to used this nation as priests and kings in His kingdom {Genesis 12:3} the promised child must come through this nation {Isaiah 9:6 compare to Genesis 3:15} he will teach them how to help other nations to gain salvation. Zechariah 8:23 So the position to become corulers with the Christ was reserved mainly for Jews but the nation as a whole rejected God's means of salvation which is Christ Jesus {Matthew 27:24-25} that is why the invitation to become corulers with Christ in heaven was thrown open to faithful people from other nations {John 1:11-12 compare to Matthew 22:2-14} therefore instead of holding the Jewish nation as the prophecies foretold centuries before Christ that they will become the means of salvation {Zechariah 8:23} it was revealed that God has rejected that nation and chosen another nation producing the fruit expected from the Jewish nation! Matthew 21:43 The nation that later replaced the Jewish nation is called the Israel of God or the New Jerusalem {Revelations 21:2} this selected people from all nations are also called the New Heavens because they are going to rule with Christ in heaven! John 14:1-3 They are of a limited number {Luke 12:42} but their subjects will fill the whole earth and they are the group that was always referred to as "SAVED" in the New Testament not all believers in Christ. But why are they referred to as "SAVED" when they are not the only believers in Christ? Well it's because of the event that will take place in the future before God give obedient humans everlasting life. By the time Jesus begins raising the dead it's this set that will be resurrected first {1Thessalonians 4:16-17} they will not resurrect with human bodies but spirit bodies {Luke 20:34-36 compare to 1Corinthans 15:44} this means they are taken to heaven immediately as they are raised from the dead! John 14:1-3 After their departure Satan and his demons will be driven out of heaven because the presence of faithful humans in heaven proves that these humans could be faithful to God despite the toughest situations they experienced on planet earth! Revelation 12:11 Later Satan and his demons will terrorise all the inhabitants of planet earth {Revelation 12:12} later Satan and his demons will be arrested and thrown into a place where they won't be able to disturb or distract anyone again this will last for a thousand years! Revelation 20:1-2 After the thousand years reign of Christ and his corulers Satan will be let loosed again because by that time all humans will have become perfect so Satan will be given his last chance to test their faithfulness to God just as he did with the first perfect human couple {Revelation 20:3} all these events won't affect anyone who has been taken to heaven with Jesus. Revelation 20:6 So from the viewpoint of God and Christ Jesus whoever is not part of the first resurrection is still liable to death {Revelation 20:5} just as Jesus looked at living people and referred to them as walking corpses {Matthew 8:22} whoever is not part of these first set of resurrected ones is still dead from God's and Christ's viewpoint. That's why they are referred to as "SAVED" because if they are able to finish their earthly course and ministry faithfully they won't have any encounter with Satan or his demons anymore! May you have peace! |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by SeraphEl(op): 2:59pm On Mar 08 |
The Conditional Nature of Eternal Salvation: Faith + Obedience + Endurance Conditional Security of Believers’ Eternal Salvation (Part 5 of 5) Hebrews 11: The Principles of Faith. Scripture emphasizes the conditional nature of salvation: Hebrews 4:7 – “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.” Hebrews 6:4–8 – Those once enlightened who fall away cannot be renewed to repentance; if the ground yields thorns, it is cursed and burned. Hebrews 12:8, 25 – If you lack discipline, you are illegitimate; if those who refused Him on earth did not escape, neither will we if we turn away from Him. Hebrews 11 and Conditional Security. Hebrews 11, often called the “Faith Hall of Fame,” reinforces the principle that salvation is not a passive status but an active, enduring faith expressed through obedience. Each example—Abel offering a better sacrifice, Noah building the ark, Abraham leaving his homeland—shows that God’s promises were fulfilled if they acted in faith. These heroes “died in faith” without turning back, illustrating perseverance as essential to receiving the promise (Heb. 11:13). Their faith produced works, aligning with the truth that we are saved by grace through faith unto good works (Eph. 2:10). Thus, Hebrews 11 demonstrates that eternal security is conditional upon a living, obedient faith that endures to the end, not mere profession of belief. 1. Faith Is Active, Not Passive. Hebrews 11 repeatedly shows that faith is demonstrated through obedience. Abel offered, Noah built, Abraham obeyed, Moses chose, Rahab welcomed. These actions were not mere mental assent—they were costly steps of obedience. This aligns with your document’s emphasis that salvation is “by grace through faith unto good works” and that faith without works is dead (James 2:18). 2. Endurance and Perseverance Are Central. Hebrews 11:13 notes that these heroes “died in faith,” still looking forward to the promises. They endured trials, persecution, and hardship without turning back. This echoes your point that “only those who endure to the end will be saved” (Matt. 24:13). 3. Conditional Promises Illustrated. Each example in Hebrews 11 shows conditionality: blessings came if they obeyed. Noah was saved because he built the ark; Abraham inherited the promise because he left his homeland. This mirrors repeated emphasis on the word “if” in Scripture as signaling conditional security (e.g., John 15:6; 2 Tim. 2:12). 4. Faith Produces Works. Hebrews 11 closes by listing acts of righteousness, justice, and endurance. These are the “fruits” that Scripture states must accompany true repentance (Matt. 3:8; Gal. 5:22–23). Faith is never portrayed as passive; it moves believers to act in alignment with YHVH’s will. 5. Faith Looks Forward Hebrews 11 that faith anticipates future reward and lives accordingly. This ties to your section on “Pursue Daily Sanctification and Endurance” (Phil. 2:12–13; Rev. 14:12). The heroes of faith lived with eternity in view, which motivated their obedience. Next: OSAS Theology Fails Common Sense Logic: Debunking the False Doctrine Of Eternal Security using Practical Everyday Life Scenarios |
| Re: Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical, Nonsensical "Foolish" Doctrine by SeraphEl(op): 3:59pm On May 17 |
The Conditional Security of a Believer Series The Dangers of the False Doctrine of Eternal Security or Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS). From The Conditional Security of a Believer Series The Dangers of the False Doctrine of Eternal Security or Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS). Does God Set Conditions on His Gift of Eternal Life? Ephesians 2:8–9 states, “By grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.” Eternal life is an unearned gift of God’s grace. No one can claim to deserve it. However, Scripture indicates that certain conditions affect whether we receive this gift. Hebrews 5:8–9 calls Jesus “the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.” This raises an important question: If salvation is a gift, why does obedience matter? The answer lies in understanding that gifts can have conditions. For example, if someone offers $100 in exchange for a stamped, self-addressed envelope, the money remains a gift—you simply meet the requirement to receive it. Similarly, Jesus taught that entering the Kingdom requires doing the Father’s will (Matthew 7:21). Mere acknowledgment of Christ is not enough; obedience is essential. When asked how to obtain eternal life, Jesus replied, “Keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). Faith without action is incomplete, as James explains: “Faith without works is dead” (James 2:20). The doctrine of “Once Saved, Always Saved” (OSAS) teaches that a person’s salvation can never be lost, regardless of how they live afterward. While often presented as a message of comfort, this belief can lead to spiritual complacency and moral compromise, minimizing the serious biblical call to perseverance, obedience, and holiness. Scripture repeatedly warns believers to remain faithful and endure to the end (Matthew 24:13; Hebrews 3:12–14), highlighting that salvation is not merely a one-time decision but a continual walk with YHVH. Next: Part I — Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical |
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Part I — Modern Analogies That Expose OSAS as Illogical OSAS Doctrine Is Illogical and Unbiblical and fails basic common sense and logic These modern, logical analogies show why the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) is internally inconsistent. These do not argue theology directly—they show how OSAS fails the test of basic logic and common sense using everyday life situations. 1) Employment: Hired is Not Un-fireable Analogy: No company says, “Once hired, you can never be fired, no matter what you do.” Employment is a relationship requiring continued fidelity: show up, honor policies and work commitments and duties, serve the mission etc. Scripture Parallels: • “If you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast…” (Col 1:22–23) • “We have come to share in Messiah if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.” (Heb 3:14) • “I discipline my body… lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.” (1 Cor 9:27) Point: Being “hired” (saved) must be followed by abiding faithfulness. OSAS breaks the basic logic of relational commitment. 2) Data & Devices: Save Once ≠ Safe Forever Analogy: “I clicked ‘save’ once; now my file can never be lost, deleted, corrupted, or erased.” Everyone knows that’s false. You must save continually, back up, guard against corruption, and maintain power. Even cloud computing knows this and continually saves documents. Scripture Parallels: • “Keep yourselves in the love of Elohim.” (Jude 21) • “Guard the good deposit entrusted to you.” (2 Tim 1:14) • “How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?” (Heb 2:3) Point: The New Covenant calls believers to vigilance. Neglect leads to loss. OSAS treats salvation like a file immune to corruption—neither life nor Scripture works that way. 3) Marriage Covenant: Vows Must Be Kept Analogy: “Once married, always married, no matter adultery, abandonment, or breaking vows.” Absurd. Covenants live on commitment. Scripture Parallels: • Israel portrayed as an unfaithful bride; YHVH warns of divorce for covenant betrayal (Jer 3; Hos 2–3). • Messiah’s people are His bride to be presented faithful (Eph 5:25–27; 2 Cor 11:2–3). Point: If human covenants can be broken by persistent unfaithfulness, why presume the salvation covenant is immune to willful, enduring apostasy? Fitness & Health: Enrollment Isn’t Endurance Analogy: Joining a gym in January does not guarantee lifelong fitness. Health requires ongoing participation. Scripture Parallels: • “You were running well. Who hindered you?” (Gal 5:7) • “You are severed from Messiah… you have fallen away from grace.” (Gal 5:4) Point: The New Testament recognizes believers can stall, regress, even fall from grace. Joining the faith is not the same as continuing. Getting saved IS NOT the same as STAYING SAVED.. Getting saved is the easy part that takes only faith. You must work towards staying saved with faith + endurance. |
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