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thisisit:
REWANE IS ON POINT ...... LETS RESTRUCTURE URGENTLY BEFORE NEPAL OR MADAGASTAR HAPPENS TO NIGERIA

....or Bangladesh!

90 % of states in Nigeria are not economically viable. Most of them were created as a result of tribal identities (which only last a few decades by the way) without thought to the economic and political viability.

In what school of thought should a port city (Port-Harcourt) and a local manufacturing hub (Aba) be in separate states/sub-sovereign.

https://www.scribd.com/document/427203703/Making-Nigeria-Great-Federated-Potentials-LEKE-ALDER

Some sovereign states are not more than 500k. How then can any one say the average Nigerian state with more than three million people is not viable? One state can be twenty million while another is just 100k. That is how it should be. States should be given on demand but they should not by any means be deemed equal. The revenue you generate as a state should determine your representation at the center because revenue is indicative of population.

There is nothing wrong if a state is just 100k people because people may just want to control their lives and destiny. There is nothing wrong too if a state is twenty million people. Once you have a state it is up to the owners to make it work. There is no reason to say Nigeria can not afford thirty six states when the states contain enough people to even be sovereign nations with billions of dollars in GDP

The states created by the military was not well done. That is one. People deserve to align as they wish.
How can you have states in Nigeria and an ancient Kingdom like Bariba does not have a state? That is rubbish. The Nupe have no state and etc. These are people who have been nations for thousands of years. They have no platform on which to develop their land

States don't have to be equal like same number of senators and etc and they should not be equal. but autonomy should be granted on demand because it will create the right atmosphere for competition

Even if we restructure without paying attention to the basics, the problem will still persist. Until we address what he mentioned as the actual cause of the problem which is 'cost of dministration'. And there's no other thing that is pushing up the cost administration other than greed and corruption. How can an ordinary ward councillor has so many special assistants attached to him or her.

Dancebreaker:
Local govt are not states. France taxes citizens highly but their income is ok.

9ja needs about 9 to 10 regions. With premiers. Regional ministers should already be elected members of the Regional parliament. So, you get ministerial/commissioner position only after being already elected as an MP. So for being a minister/commissioner, your MP income could increase by 50% for additional responsibilities, nothing more. No new retinue of political appointees. We must create an efficient political system considering we have little money relative to population. So, states and local councils can really work locally to provide local services people need.

FG should focus on national security, armed forces, national currency/central banking, Federal crime, foreign affairs, etc.

We had 4regions once. It led to a civil war where about 3million people were killed. Equally even the blind can see that FG cannot provide adequate security for the country. Meaning state police is inevitable panacea for the daily needles waste of lives and livelihood. Then there is enough money if corruption can be minimized.
In summary, you don't know what you are talking about.

Krismas:
We had 4regions once. It led to a civil war where about 3million people were killed. Equally even the blind can see that FG cannot provide adequate security for the country. Meaning state police is inevitable panacea for the daily needles waste of lives and livelihood. Then there is enough money if corruption can be minimized.
In summary, you don't know what you are talking about.

I don't need to know anything in your view. Afterall, a well-presented research paper on Covid-19 or HIV would mean nothing to someone who did not even pass Biology WAEC.

I write for more discerning readers here.

National security means there will be Federal Police/Armed Forces. So, where does that exclude Regional Police?
So all the banditry, boko and killings/kidnappings are not already wars to you?
Your lack of understanding is to still believe 9ja has enough money. it doesn't. Even without corruption, 9ja does not have enough.

Being rich in resources is not same as being rich. You must extract resources, and use it to diversify the economy over decades to see sustained and economically impactful results. That's assuming corruption is minimal/punished.

You don't understand 9ja history and the circumstances under which 9ja gained independence. It was never meant to work and the so-called founding fathers were too divided to achieve anything. Only Awo openly admitted 9ja has no future together and he WORKED hard to lift up Western Region before the inevitable division in his view.

Yes, Ahmadu Bello froze outherners out of Norther civil service but was employ Northerners in numbers and train Northern workforce to eventually control 9ja, through secondment to FG civil service, etc.

Awo's support for FG during the civil war was opportunistic, strategic and circumstantial.

People like you believe there is a quick fix, there isn't. A hundred Tinubus, Obis or Atiku's can't. They can try but the structural deficit is massive albatross.

So we must begin with the most basic restructuring. People who are compatible can form regions together by consensus. Then negotiate in good faith from FG and regions those things FG has failed to deliver since 1970 when civil war ended. Then cede those responsibilities to regions.
Resource control MUST be included. Regions keep about 60%, and 15% as solidarity contribution to aid poorer regions. The rest go to FG.

People in former West Germany paid "Solidaritaet Zuschlag" to support rebuilding former East Germany/DDR after re-unification.

Look beyond your shores and see how others have done it. Adapt to local peculiarities.

favor914:
What kind of thinking is this, are u a child, how can Tinubu implement true federalism, do u even understand what federalism is?

so didn't Tinubu advocated for true federalism

Regionalism is the system of government that can bring giant development to the country. The fast pace development of the early 60s were the legacies we can point to today. Let each region take care of governance, security and economy of their regions and all regional leaders will no more be leaches on the federal government

Dancebreaker:
I don't need to know anything in your view. Afterall, a well-presented research paper on Covid-19 or HIV would mean nothing to someone who did not even pass Biology WAEC.

I write for more discerning readers here.

National security means there will be Federal Police/Armed Forces. So, where does that exclude Regional Police?
So all the banditry, boko and killings/kidnappings are not already wars to you?
Your lack of understanding is to still believe 9ja has enough money. it doesn't. Even without corruption, 9ja does not have enough.

Being rich in resources is not same as being rich. You must extract resources, and use it to diversify the economy over decades to see sustained and economically impactful results. That's assuming corruption is minimal/punished.

You don't understand 9ja history and the circumstances under which 9ja gained independence. It was never meant to work and the so-called founding fathers were too divided to achieve anything. Only Awo openly admitted 9ja has no future together and he WORKED hard to lift up Western Region before the inevitable division in his view.

Yes, Ahmadu Bello froze outherners out of Norther civil service but was employ Northerners in numbers and train Northern workforce to eventually control 9ja, through secondment to FG civil service, etc.

Awo's support for FG during the civil war was opportunistic, strategic and circumstantial.

People like you believe there is a quick fix, there isn't. A hundred Tinubus, Obis or Atiku's can't. They can try but the structural deficit is massive albatross.

So we must begin with the most basic restructuring. People who are compatible can form regions together by consensus. Then negotiate in good faith from FG and regions those things FG has failed to deliver since 1970 when civil war ended. Then cede those responsibilities to regions.
Resource control MUST be included. Regions keep about 60%, and 15% as solidarity contribution to aid poorer regions. The rest go to FG.

People in former West Germany paid "Solidaritaet Zuschlag" to support rebuilding former East Germany/DDR after re-unification.

Look beyond your shores and see how others have done it. Adapt to local peculiarities.

Covid 19 indeed. If only you could search thru my submission on the subject on NL, you would not have bothered to bring it up.
I don't know if i can spare time to point out all the falsehoods, inconsistencies and outright LIES in your submission?
The germane points remains.
1. Nigeria makes enough money if corruption can be curtailed.
2. The ethnic problems of Nigeria are by no means unique to the country. Its same or even worse in many African countries.
3. You can't even start to compare the development in the 6 western states now, to when it had just one premier.
4. The most discerning minds this country ever had have already suggested solutions to all the problems we see now.
Rotational presidency, resource autonomy, state police etc. So keep your half-baked analysis to yourself

Ttalk:
Thank you Mr Rewane. States is old fashion, the only way to go now is baby mama, sorry regionalism

how can you achieve that??

Krismas:
Covid 19 indeed. If only you could search thru my submission on the subject on NL, you would not have bothered to bring it up.
I don't know if i can spare time to point out all the falsehoods, inconsistencies and outright LIES in your submission?
The germane points remains.
1. Nigeria makes enough money if corruption can be curtailed.
2. The ethnic problems of Nigeria are by no means unique to the country. Its same or even worse in many African countries.
3. You can't even start to compare the development in the 6 western states now, to when it had just one premier.
4. The most discerning minds this country ever had have already suggested solutions to all the problems we see now.
Rotational presidency, resource autonomy, state police etc. So keep your half-baked analysis to yourself

So, emilokan turn by turn presidency is what you have right now. You must be enjoying it already. Mr. Full-baked. Be swelling like Agege bread inside poto poto water.

Princedapace:
But can he send a bill to them? The law permits him to send a bill. It is called executive bill. He can send it if he wants.
Since he could have his way to declare a state of emmergency in Rivers state, he has his way if he truly wants it.
Paying more tax while wasting it on inefficient politicians who use the money to carry side chicks from Brazil makes no sense.

Send a bill to them, so that u can start another season of wailing?

favor914:
Send a bill to them, so that u can start another season of wailing?

Send a bill for restructuring that we have been craving for? But he could leave the law process and declare state of emergency in Rivers state? Hahahahahah

Go back to 6 regions

Princedapace:
Send a bill for restructuring that we have been craving for? But he could leave the law process and declare state of emergency in Rivers state? Hahahahahah

Na u know wetin be the restructuring u are asking for, I have no idea what u are yapping about?

Oakenshield:
so didn't Tinubu advocated for true federalism

True federalism indeed, Na why those more intelligent people than u that u call politicians, they carry people like u dey play.

OBASANJO PRESIDED OVER 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATES PERFECTLY AND WE ALL LOVE HIM.
JONATHAN DID HIS BEST WONDERFULLY ON THE 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATES AND WE ACCEPT.
EVEN BUHARI TRIED HIS WORST TO TEMPER WITH THE PEACE OF THE 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATES UNSUCCESSFULLY.
THE 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATES ARE BEST LEGACY THAT OUR MILITARY HAVE LEFT WITH US.
ELECT COMPETENT GOVERNORS, EDUCATED, SKILFUL AND DYNAMIC GOVERNORS FOR THE 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATES, THEY WILL BE VIABLE AND WE WILL ALL BE GLAD WE DO.
JUST ADOPT FAPRES FOTCS AND CTC TRFG. SCRAP THE EXCLUSIVE LIST OF THE 1999 DECREE24 AND NIGERIA WILL BE MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN THE UK, THE U.S. AND THE EU.

IAMWAI

aariwa:
A competent president like Peter Obi will convert those things they complain about into a greater gdp for a bigger economy

Like he did for Anambra right?

favor914:
Na u know wetin be the restructuring u are asking for, I have no idea what u are yapping about?

Tinubu protested for it

Princedapace:
Tinubu protested for it

Tinubu your Lord & Master abi?

Same Tinubu that instructed u to vote against Jonathan Goodluck in 2015, & u willingly obeyed your master?

favor914:
Tinubu your Lord & Master abi?

Same Tinubu that instructed u to vote against Jonathan Goodluck in 2015, & u willingly obeyed your master?

Are u running from the main discussion? Bro, abeg, I no this low to do these things with u. I am a tech person and have nothing to do with any politician. It is funny how anyone who is not happy with Tinubu is a pro Janathan? hahahah, get a life bra.

The government structure is simply stupid.

Absolutely agree mr Rewane.. spot on!

Country need restructuring.. cost of governance too high esp States

slivertongue:
Nigeria can't afford more than 20 States and 450 local government

Does that reduce the population of same states and LGs or the Land mass if reduced to 20 and 450. I think leadership at all level should be kind to implement good policies to Thier people rather than seeing it as opportunity to cash out. Average Nigerian having entitlements mentality when given any position at almost all sectors of governance is the reason we are not getting it right. Selfless service is gone.

phemray:
Does that reduce the population of same states and LGs or the Land mass if reduced to 20 and 450. I think leadership at all level should be kind to implement good policies to Thier people rather than seeing it as opportunity to cash out. Average Nigerian having entitlements mentality when given any position at almost all sectors of governance is the reason we are not getting it right. Selfless service is gone.

Cost of administration is the focus here. Even states and LGAS that generates less than quarter of their running cost are spending like states with more than enough.

slivertongue:
Cost of administration is the focus here. Even states and LGAS that generates less than quarter of their running cost are spending like states with more than enough.

I understand but those that are spending are also employees with a lot of other people and businesses depending on them for survivals. Prudence in spending and awards of contract in due process should be the bottom line. Each time we collapsed a system and lots of workers disengaged we created more problems than keeping them on the job. It's natural in Africa that once you take away someone job, You already an enemy and they must regroup to fight back.

As u can see today, the banditry, kidnapping and online scams today are products of few of so many people laid off from banks mergers, military and other forces dismissing convicted personnel and Many from other parastatals and private sectors. Reducing cost of governance is good but reducing number of states or LG will definitely lead to job lose which I don't think it's ok.

You can't have millions of people earning income in a state and say the state is not viable. The state could have been a country on its own. There is no state that is not viable. Leadership is the problem

phemray:
I understand but those that are spending are also employees with a lot of other people and businesses depending on them for survivals. Prudence in spending and awards of contract in due process should be the bottom line. Each time we collapsed a system and lots of workers disengaged we created more problems than keeping them on the job. It's natural in Africa that once you take away someone job, You already an enemy and they must regroup to fight back.

As u can see today, the banditry, kidnapping and online scams today are products of few of so many people laid off from banks mergers, military and other forces dismissing convicted personnel and Many from other parastatals and private sectors. Reducing cost of governance is good but reducing number of states or LG will definitely lead to job lose which I don't think it's ok.

Am not for sack of workers even though alot of them are liabilities to the organisations paying their wages. The system was more productive in the past despite the corruption back then but the weakening of the governance structures by creating more subnational units led to the emergence of rogue elements who wouldn't have seen power in the old structure. Wasteful spending won't stop as long as we keep creating 'pepper soup' structures.