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ogascomax:
Bro understand the message being rich or poor is up to you. The most important thing is that the gospel has the potential to make someone rich if you are ready to work in that dimensions. The Apostles were not relatively rich because they do not see the need for that because of the day they were. At some point then poverty was like a cover because the authority of those times did not see the church like threat so looking at the history of the church some certain groups were crushed by the government of that time but they left the church alone since they posed no threat.
The point here is that to be rich is up to individuals.

🤣🤣🤣What are you even saying? Are you saying that Jesus and his disciples were not rich while on earth?
Does not the bible teach you that Jesus was poor on earth to make his disciples rich?

Steep:
Christ did not become poor for you to have the riches of this world, this is a satanic gospel preached in these dens of thieves.

2 corithins 8:9 is not talking of worldly riches.

You don't even know the gospel, it is such a shame.

You are just being ignorant. What do you mean by the riches of this world. Did God ever promised is children poverty at any given time. When God began with the children of Israel did he promised them wealth or poverty? Spiritual ignorance or lack of knowledge make some of you to fight what is so clear in the scripture about riches.
Ephesians 3:8
[8]To me, though I am the very least of all the saints (God's consecrated people), this grace (favor, privilege) was granted and graciously entrusted: to proclaim to the Gentiles the unending (boundless, fathomless, incalculable, and exhaustless) riches of Christ [wealth which no human being could have searched out],

Prov 10:22

New Living Translation
The blessing of the LORD makes a person rich, and he adds no sorrow with it.

You don't think this is the gospel with the Bible verse above. Moreover some of you lack knowledge and depth of scripture thereby interpreting things based on your mindset.

Mark 10:28-39

28 Then Peter spoke up, “We have left everything to follow you!”
29 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel
30 will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life.

Read and if you like don't understand.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣What are you even saying? Are you saying that Jesus and his disciples were not rich while on earth?
Does not the bible teach you that Jesus was poor on earth to make his disciples rich?

As far as the gospel is concerned Jesus died for all men. Does that mean all mean will accept him. As far as the gospel is concerned God has blessed all Christians. Does that mean all will live a blessed life. That is what that scripture reflect. It's up to them to be rich or poor. The grace was released already.

ogascomax:
As far as the gospel is concerned Jesus died for all men. Does that mean all mean will accept him. As far as the gospel is concerned God has blessed all Christians. Does that mean all will live a blessed life. That is what that scripture reflect. It's up to them to be rich or poor. The grace was released already.

So Jesus disciples who were with him did not accept him and live a blessed life?
Since Jesus was poor on earth, did he live a blessed life?

lawani:
There are only two religions and that is Christianity and Islam. Others are traditional spiritualities that are as primordial to humanity as language. Even Islam is not more than a form of Christianity. Mohammed believed Jesus was a prophet and he believed in the virgin birth. He was therefore initially converted by Christians. Christianity is the source of the problem

Now you do not need to tell lies. Mohammed never believed in virgin birth. He only believed christ was a prophet and that was just a scratch on the surface as the Lord was more than than.

You problem stems from your belief holding you down that christianity is a religion and therefore is part of the problem.

Are you a bible student to start with?

Pardon him for his stupidity.
He doesn't know what he just Said

erniok:
Now you do not need to tell lies. Mohammed never believed in virgin birth. He only believed christ was a prophet and that was just a scratch on the surface as the Lord was more than than.

You problem stems from your belief holding you down that christianity is a religion and therefore is part of the problem.

Are you a bible student to start with?

Go and study more. Muslims believe in the virgin birth and it proves Mohammed was converted by Christians. Islam and Christianity are now problems but it started with Christianity

cityboylagos:
If You Have Salvation and You’re Poor, You’ll Still Sin” — Pastor Tobi Adegboyega Sparks Debate


https://eyesoflagos.com/if-you-have-salvation-and-youre-poor-youll-still-sin-pastor-tobi-adegboyega-sparks-debate/

If this is true, when Rev. Kesiena blasts this one whose god is mammon, people will say 'what's his business'?
These guys keep watering down the clear and divine purpose of what salvation means to mankind. This is a clear case of covetousness, cause a mans life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. Your wealth or the lack of it is not validation for your salvation. What is wrong with us in Africa?

lawani:
Go and study more. Muslims believe in the virgin birth and it proves Mohammed was converted by Christians. Islam and Christianity are now problems but it started with Christianity

I have asked muslims their view of christianity and they don't believe in virgin birth else they would also have to believe that Christ is more than a prophet. Why don't you stick to what you're familiar with instead of making wild claims.

Truthseeker10:
So Jesus disciples who were with him did not accept him and live a blessed life?
Since Jesus was poor on earth, did he live a blessed life?

When you talk about a blessed life it can be relative. It goes from individual to individual. A man could have a little and he is fulfilled some will have more and they are not yet fulfilled. Jesus is the blessing and he lived a fulfilled life.
Some people may have what I have and be fulfilled but I am not fulfilled. Does that mean that I am not living a life of blessing? I am but it's yet to take me to where I am. Does that mean that I am not happy? Yes I am happy but still I am not where I should be. So the question is this. What do you really want? But the greatest is fulfilling God's purpose for your life.
For the disciples to even be rich then was very difficult. They were taken from prison to prison. You saw how Paul was killing and jailing the disciples then. So they were constantly moving from one place to another preaching and spreading the gospel.
Right now Christians are more stable so it's easy to pursue careers, business etc as a Christian now then that time.

On point sir. Salvation and prosperity is the way.

#BillionairesforJesus

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣What are you even saying? Are you saying that Jesus and his disciples were not rich while on earth?
Does not the bible teach you that Jesus was poor on earth to make his disciples rich?

NO, they were not rich. If they were, they would have been able to afford food for the 5000, they would have been able to pay Tax without going to collect money from the mouth of a fish, Peter and John would have had silver and gold to give the cripple at the Gate called beautiful.
The problem is that nigerian christians seek God for the wrong purpose; blessings and riches. Those with these mindsets don't really know Jesus.

ogascomax:
When you talk about a blessed life it can be relative. It goes from individual to individual. A man could have a little and he is fulfilled some will have more and they are not yet fulfilled. Jesus is the blessing and he lived a fulfilled life.
Some people may have what I have and be fulfilled but I am not fulfilled. Does that mean that I am not living a life of blessing? I am but it's yet to take me to where I am. Does that mean that I am not happy? Yes I am happy but still I am not where I should be. So the question is this. What do you really want? But the greatest is fulfilling God's purpose for your life.
For the disciples to even be rich then was very difficult. They were taken from prison to prison. You saw how Paul was killing and jailing the disciples then. So they were constantly moving from one place to another preaching and spreading the gospel.
Right now Christians are more stable so it's easy to pursue careers, business etc as a Christian now then that time.

So the disciples then were not rich even though Jesus was poor on earth for them to be rich? If yes, are you saying that 2 Corinthians 8:9 was not for Jesus's disciples?
Are you saying that they did not fulfill the purpose of God for their lives?

ogascomax:
You are just being ignorant. What do you mean by the riches of this world. Did God ever promised is children poverty at any given time. When God began with the children of Israel did he promised them wealth or poverty? Spiritual ignorance or lack of knowledge make some of you to fight what is so clear in the scripture about riches.
Ephesians 3:8
[8]To me, though I am the very least of all the saints (God's consecrated people), this grace (favor, privilege) was granted and graciously entrusted: to proclaim to the Gentiles the unending (boundless, fathomless, incalculable, and exhaustless) riches of Christ [wealth which no human being could have searched out],

Prov 10:22

New Living Translation
The blessing of the LORD makes a person rich, and he adds no sorrow with it.

You don't think this is the gospel with the Bible verse above. Moreover some of you lack knowledge and depth of scripture thereby interpreting things based on your mindset.

Mark 10:28-39

28 Then Peter spoke up, “We have left everything to follow you!”
29 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel
30 will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life.

Read and if you like don't understand.

You are the ignorant one, where is the promise of earthly riches.
Jesus promise new spiritual family and shared possession within the Christian community is not a promise of earthly riches in Mark 10:28-29.
Proverb 10:22 is not a promise for the riches of this age.

Wordly riches is not guaranteed, it is not the riches of christ.

You just exposed your ignorance on the gospel of Christ.
Christ never became poor for you to have the riches of this present world, that is a satanic doctrine.

lawani:
It is not determined by poverty. Many people are poor but don't commit crimes. They manage. What is important is to have a source of income as a human being and many who don't have do not commit crimes. They just beg. Being rich can't improve your character

Just another pastor who thinks he is different, they are all cut from the same cloth. When I see a Nigerian pastor driving a clean VW Santana from 1989 I will believe. Did Jesus not Ride a Donkey and the powerful in his day rode chariots or rode on horse back. And the people took of their garments for his donkey to ride on as a show of acknowledgement of his greatness

Everyone sins everyday, this one is just another upcoming prosperity preacher, watch out

Truthseeker10:
So the disciples then were not rich even though Jesus was poor on earth for them to be rich? If yes, are you saying that 2 Corinthians 8:9 was not for Jesus's disciples?
Are you saying that they did not fulfill the purpose of God for their lives?

I don't know what is difficult for you to understand. Whatever thing they became was up to them. They chose the life that they want at the end of the day. I just use a simple illustration to conclude this matter and yet you are still asking a question that the answer is before you.
Didn't Jesus died for the salvation of mankind. But will all men be saved? Not all will be saved. It's up to them to accept and work in the provision of God.
It's about the kind of life they also want for themselves and the conditions of that time.

‭Hebrews 11:36-38 NIV‬
[36] Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. [37] They were put to death by stoning; they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— [38] the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground.
‭Hebrews 11:39 NIV‬
[39] These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised,

That scripture was the situations of many during that time.
We knew how the disciples were killed. The world they lived then was too toxic for them to even pursue riches.

Steep:
You are the ignorant one, where is the promise of earthly riches.
Jesus promise new spiritual family and shared possession within the Christian community is not a promise of earthly riches in Mark 10:28-29.
Proverb 10:22 is not a promise for the riches of this age.

Wordly riches is not guaranteed, it is not the riches of christ.

You just exposed your ignorance on the gospel of Christ.
Christ never became poor for you to have the riches of this present world, that is a satanic doctrine.

Remain poor then.

Mynd44:
The Bible never said this because even if you are rich, you can still sin.

The Bible said "If any man sin, we have an Advocate before God". We are in a world of sin and we are humans, we will sin. Whether rich or poor, it doesn't Matter

Nawa ….i thought you were a traditional worshipper wetin concern you with bible?

John the Baptist was not rich and yet did not sin. By the way, why isn’t anyone telling the Pastor about this? They left the preaching of salvation and Christ to preaching about riches.

lawani:
It is not determined by poverty. Many people are poor but don't commit crimes. They manage. What is important is to have a source of income as a human being and many who don't have do not commit crimes. They just beg. Being rich can't improve your character

It's very hard. Let's face it.

ogascomax:
Rich and poor sin. But poverty makes one more vulnerable. It's simple as that.

The bible says it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

ogascomax:
I don't know what is difficult for you to understand. Whatever thing they became was up to them. They chose the life that they want at the end of the day. I just use a simple illustration to conclude this matter and yet you are still asking a question that the answer is before you.
Didn't Jesus died for the salvation of mankind. But will all men be saved? Not all will be saved. It's up to them to accept and work in the provision of God.
It's about the kind of life they also want for themselves and the conditions of that time.

‭Hebrews 11:36-38 NIV‬
[36] Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. [37] They were put to death by stoning; they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— [38] the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground.
‭Hebrews 11:39 NIV‬
[39] These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised,

That scripture was the situations of many during that time.
We knew how the disciples were killed. The world they lived then was too toxic for them to even pursue riches.

So for the fact that they were not able to pursue riches on earth means that they did not fulfill their purpose of God for them?

So while Jesus was on earth, did he fulfill the purpose of God even though he was poor?

lawani:
It is not determined by poverty. Many people are poor but don't commit crimes. They manage. What is important is to have a source of income as a human being and many who don't have do not commit crimes. They just beg. Being rich can't improve your character

Living a holy or righteous life as a poor christian is hard. It is very hard. Let's face it. Poverty has lots of disadvantages.

Truthseeker10:
So for the fact that they were not able to pursue riches on earth means that they did not fulfill their purpose of God for them?

So while Jesus was on earth, did he fulfill the purpose of God even though he was poor?

Your question is no longer a question it's more a silly conversation now. Why should I continue answering same question again. I already told you that they fulfilled God's purpose for their lives.

jaxxy:
The bible says it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

Not that they cannot enter. He said harder.

ogascomax:
Remain poor then.

unlike you my riches is in Christ while yours is the riches of this world that is fading away.

James 1:10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.

1:11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.

ogascomax:
Whether rich or poor your salvation is secured. But why should you be poor. Do you know the meaning of the Gospel. It's called good news. That means if a poor man received the gospel, the good news to that poor man that Christ can change your current state. Do you think Abraham blessing that people just sing is just a song. That is the possession of Christians. Jesus said that the Spirit of God is upon me for he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor. So if I may ask, what kind of gospel should you preach to the poor?
I will leave you with just one scripture.

2 Corinthians 8:9 (KJV) For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty we might be rich.

‭2 Corinthians 8:9 NIV‬
[9] For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

https://bible.com/bible/111/2co.8.9.NIV

Everything about you Nigerians must be seen from the lenses of money.

Who told you that verse was talking about financial riches?

I now understand why the country is filled with desperate people looking for money by all means.

Tell us how many of Jesus's disciples became rich after following Jesus.

Tell us how many early Christians spoke about becoming rich for following Christ.

You Nigerian Christians are conditional Christians, you think accepting christ is to enjoy all the worldly things on earth.

Mrexcell:
You not getting my point I never said been poor is a sin in any way that type of teaching is totally wrong because lazarus died as a very poor man and still made it to heaven. What am saying is why remain poor on earth when you are serving the same God that created everything including riches is it not because of ur ignorance and lack of faith?

You can remain poor on earth serving God or not if you do not take opportunities opened to everyone including atheist, pagans, Muslims etc..

You don't really need God to tap into systems that makes people rich.

So Christians can be poor if they have no value to offer.

As long as the earth remains, seed time and harvest time won't cease and this is opened to everyone Christian or not.

This could be a nonsense talk depending on his definition of poverty

ogascomax:
Your question is no longer a question it's more a silly conversation now. Why should I continue answering same question again. I already told you that they fulfilled God's purpose for their lives.

Has the purpose for Christlike lifestyle changed?
Please when did it change?🤔