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Truthseeker10:
So do you now agree that we need works to make our faith alive in other to be saved according to Ephesians 2:8 and James 2:26 if you are not a fraud?

Please quote where I insinuated that I am a proponent of salvation without faith.

Without this, there is no moving forward!
How will you tell such lies and convince yourself about it enough to argue with such conjectures?

It's easy: Quote my statements that suggest your manufactured position!

SlavaUkraini:
Jesus Christ remains the Way the Truth and the Life

No one comes to the Father except by him

Similar thing other religion folks told me regarding their own belief system. .

TenQ:
Please quote where I insinuated that I am a proponent of salvation without faith.

Without this, there is no moving forward!
How will you tell such lies and convince yourself about it enough to argue with such conjectures?

It's easy: Quote my statements that suggest your manufactured position!

If you are not a proponent of salvation without faith, how could there be faith without works?

So kindly answer your own question below.

1. Was this thief saved?
2. What exactly was his works?

Mattswaggz:
Similar thing other religion folks told me regarding their own belief system. .

Can you please name the religions as it definitely isn't Islam or Judaism where a Personality is the Way, the Truth or the Life.

Waiting!!!

Truthseeker10:
So do people people who have died do the above?

Yes

Mattswaggz:
Similar thing other religion folks told me regarding their own belief system. .

Don't mistake my Jesus for others...

He is the sure Way the Truth and the Life

No one comes to the Father except by him

chieveboy:
Yes

Explain how

Truthseeker10:
Explain how

It starts with the simply understanding of hearing and seeing.

Man hears and sees within a range of frequencies. When things goes beyond that frequency, he hears and sees nothing when there is more to see and hear.

You caj download an app called frequency generator on the app stores. Play around with ue frequencies to understand this idea. If you however do understand already, great.

With his established, the so-called dead who answered roll calls in class whole using heir human bodies are still able to do same outside it given that consciousness is what runs a body.

Hearing and seeing them is what remains...

TenQ:
Can you please name the religions as it definitely isn't Islam or Judaism where a Personality is the Way, the Truth or the Life.

Waiting!!!

Is it that you don't understand English or what.....you don't know the difference between the word "Similar" and "Exactly"?.....if you do then tell me which one I used and if you don't then go and open ur dictionary for better understanding okay.

SlavaUkraini:
Don't mistake my Jesus for others...

He is the sure Way the Truth and the Life

No one comes to the Father except by him

Ur Lord and theirs are all biased deities who assumably revealed themselves to a specific group of people and told them they are better than others and that they should spread what the deity teaches them for it's the way to peace, growth and eternal life....so I see little or no difference between you and them...maybe just methods of doing things.

The God I know isn't the author of confusion and he didn't create or orchestrate any specific religion to men....His laws are applicable on all equally and his works also.... Anything else is manufactured except it is backed with evidence by the one making such claims.

Mattswaggz:
Is it that you don't understand English or what.....you don't know the difference between the word "Similar" and "Exactly"?.....if you do then tell me which one I used and if you don't then go and open ur dictionary for better understanding okay.

The point is , STATE YOUR CLAIMS !
All I did was to eliminate the obvious contenders for you

Mattswaggz:
Similar thing other religion folks told me regarding their own belief system. .

Anyone can claim anything sir

chieveboy:
It starts with the simply understanding of hearing and seeing.

Man hears and sees within a range of frequencies. When things goes beyond that frequency, he hears and sees nothing when there is more to see and hear.

You caj download an app called frequency generator on the app stores. Play around with ue frequencies to understand this idea. If you however do understand already, great.

With his established, the so-called dead who answered roll calls in class whole using heir human bodies are still able to do same outside it given that consciousness is what runs a body.

Hearing and seeing them is what remains...

So you can call dead people and they would answer you?

What does consciousness use to hear without the ear?

TenQ:
The point is , STATE YOUR CLAIMS !
All I did was to eliminate the obvious contenders for you



Anyone can claim anything sir

Yep....and the problem stems from someone amongst the "anyone" saying the others are lying and they should be disregarded....only what he/she said is the truth without providing any of undisputable EVIDENCE to back it up.

Mattswaggz:
Yep....and the problem stems from someone amongst the "anyone" saying the others are lying and they should be disregarded....only what he/she said is the truth without providing any of undisputable EVIDENCE to back it up.

I am more interested in your claims.

I will probably need to look them up as many religions exist in this world.

Over to you

TenQ:
I am more interested in your claims.

I will probably need to look them up as many religions exist in this world.

Over to you

What claims?....be specific.

Luke 4 : 41, the demons knew who Jesus is however, it was not acknowledged that they sought forgiveness hence cannot be to have been saved.
Note: Spirit are not humans hence can never beforgiven. Forgiveness is a lifeline for humans whilst alive.
It was never on record anywhere the world over that any spirit has ever sought to be forgiven.
Lastly, the grace for repentance is only given to living humans not spirits... Judgement comes after death, there is no repentance once dead or in heal.

Truthseeker10:
According to Luke 4:41, are the demons saved?

francisobiabo:
Luke 4 : 41, the demons knew who Jesus is however, it was not acknowledged that the sought forgiveness hence cannot be saved.
Note: Spirit are not humans hence can never beforgiven.
It was never on record anywhere the world over that any spirit has ever sought to be forgiven.
Lastly, the grace for repentance is only given to living humans not spirits... Judgement comes after death, there is no repentance once dead or in heal.

So do the demons believe and have faith in Jesus?

Mattswaggz:
What claims?....be specific.

Your claim

Mattswaggz:
Similar thing other religion folks told me regarding their own belief system. .

1. Those similar things specifically said to you
2. The religions in question that said the similar things

Mattswaggz:
Ur Lord and theirs are all biased deities who assumably revealed themselves to a specific group of people and told them they are better than others and that they should spread what the deity teaches them for it's the way to peace, growth and eternal life....so I see little or no difference between you and them...maybe just methods of doing things.

The God I know

isn't the author of confusion and he didn't create or orchestrate any specific religion to men....His laws are applicable on all equally and his works also.... Anything else is manufactured except it is backed with evidence by the one making such claims.

The God you know ?

You nor be Atheist again ?

You dey whine yourself ?

Kindly maintain your Atheist beliefs

Truthseeker10:
So you can call dead people and they would answer you?

What does consciousness use to hear without the ear?

We are saying there are really no "dead people" in he sense of total none existence of people who discard their physical bodies for other ones in 'death'.

You must understand that point and see that calling in a dead person and they answer is possible and much more than that.

PS: NL bot kept me from replying earlier.

chieveboy:
We are saying there are really no "dead people" in he sense of total none existence of people who discard their physical bodies for other ones in 'death'.

You must understand that point and see that calling in a dead person and they answer is possible and much more than that.

PS: NL bot kept me from replying earlier.

What experiment did you do to come up with such a conclusion at your bolded?

How would you define a "dead person"?

And why would consciousness need another physical body when it can function on its own?

Truthseeker10:
What experiment did you do to come up with such a conclusion at your bolded?

Yes infact. It no longer an experiment, its infact an established fact for me about this reality.

Last night, I was on one of such experiences where I interacted with people beyond the octave of the physical.

How would you define a "dead person"?

Caveat: Anything (reality) is relative and relies on personal viewpoint arrived at based on the subjective state of the sensoria (eyes, nose, skin, tongue and brain) of that particular body and of course the baffling 'qualia' (how same gram of sugar is experienced differently by others). It also relies on a third Observer entity which is Public Consensus or a collection of 'subjectives' for it to be and have meaning. You must digest this.

That said, death is the condition where consciousness discards an Object of Viewpoint (OoV) exploration on a permanent basis. This is as technical and fundamental as I can define it.

[quoe] And why would consciousness need another physical body when it can function on its own?[/quote]Without using an OoV/experiencing like the physical body amongst many, consciousness will not be able have the viewpoint which that object of experience and observation has to offer thereby leading to immaturity and inexperience.

it is as simple as if you do not look at water through a microscope, you with your 'naked eyes' cannot see the busy life going on with the microbes inside it first hand.

chieveboy:
Yes infact. It no longer an experiment, its infact an established fact for me about this reality.

Last night, I was on one of such experiences where I interacted with people beyond the octave of the physical.



Caveat: Anything (reality) is relative and relies on personal viewpoint arrived at based on the subjective state of the sensoria (eyes, nose, skin, tongue and brain) of that particular body and of course the baffling 'qualia' (how same gram of sugar is experienced differently by others). It also relies on a third Observer entity which is Public Consensus or a collection of 'subjectives' for it to be and have meaning. You must digest this.

That said, death is the condition where consciousness discards an Object of Viewpoint (OoV) exploration on a permanent basis. This is as technical and fundamental as I can define it.

[quoe] And why would consciousness need another physical body when it can function on its own?

Without using an OoV/experiencing like the physical body amongst many, consciousness will not be able have the viewpoint which that object of experience and observation has to offer thereby leading to immaturity and inexperience.

it is as simple as if you do not look at water through a microscope, you with your 'naked eyes' cannot see the busy life going on with the microbes inside it first hand.

Lol I never knew you were discussing something that only happens in your head.....goodbye

SlavaUkraini:
The God you know ?

You nor be Atheist again ?

You dey whine yourself ?

Kindly maintain your Atheist beliefs

I am used to handling ur likes.....you guys thrive on lies,false accusations and deceit just like the deities u preach does.

Show me where I said that I am an Atheist....I am waiting. .

Truthseeker10:
Lol I never knew you were discussing something that only happens in your head.....goodbye

safe journey.

TenQ:
Your claim


1. Those similar things specifically said to you
2. The religions in question that said the similar things

1. That what the teach is the way and/or the truth.
2.Islam most especially and probably Hinduism though they don't share in it's entirety similar beliefs to the abrahamic one's.....and also different factions in Christianity that think they are different from the others.....I don't know if they should still fall under the wings of Christianity as some beliefs they preach are viewed by them as the very key to eternal salvation eg. Jehovah's witnesses and Seven days Adventists.

Mattswaggz:
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1. That what the teach is the way and/or the truth.

For Christians, Jesus Himself is the Way, Truth and Life

Mattswaggz:
2.Islam most especially and probably Hinduism though they don't share in it's entirety similar beliefs to the abrahamic one's.....and also different factions in Christianity that think they are different from the others.....I don't know if they should still fall under the wings of Christianity as some beliefs they preach are viewed by them as the very key to eternal salvation eg. Jehovah's witnesses and Seven days Adventists.

Islam doesn't take Mohammed as the way, truth or life as Christians. In fact, in Islam, Allah himself is ON this way.

Qur'an 11:56
"Indeed, I have relied upon Allah, my Lord and your Lord. There is no creature but that He holds its forelock. Indeed, my Lord (Allah) is on a straight path."

In Hinduism, there is no concept of the Way, Truth and Life to paradise as paradise doesn't exist in Hinduism, Reincarnation and ultimately Nirvana is their destination through different kinds of Yoga.


Even the most heretical Christian cult or organisation believe that JESUS is the Way, the Truth and Life.

There exist no other Religion in the universe where their God came and made himself a sacrifice for humanity that people should be saved apart from Christianity!

Mattswaggz:
I am used to handling ur likes.....you guys thrive on lies,false accusations and deceit just like the deities u preach does.

Show me where I said that I am an Atheist....I am waiting. .

Okay... I thought you were the Atheist I was replying on this thread...

And since you believe in God...

That God so loved the world and sent his Son Jesus Christ to die for your sins and to redeem you from Eternal Damnation..

Believe and Accept that Jesus today and live with the Father forever ...

If not, you will have yourself to blame

SlavaUkraini:
Okay... I thought you were the Atheist I was replying on this thread...

And since you believe in God...

That God so loved the world and sent his Son Jesus Christ to die for your sins and to redeem you from Eternal Damnation..

Believe and Accept that Jesus today and live with the Father forever ...

If not, you will have yourself to blame

I don't believe in ur made up concept of God.... I've already told you the God that I know....if you want me to believe what you're telling me then I'll need evidences for all ur claims. .