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popizaino:
You are the least person i would expect to say this.

In what world was VVD supposed to leave there and charge Caicedo?

In an ideal football world, where is it expected that a CB charge forward and mark a DM?

If Caicedo had missed no one would be singing the praises of VVD.

If you expect VVD to stop Caicedo from there then you expect VVD to also stop Sanchez kicking the ball forward.

The moment i saw the frame without Gusto, i knew something was wrong with their analyses.

Raumdeuter and his gang of ignorant analysts didn't blame PSG's defenders when Gusto made similar run to unsettle their defence for Palmer's 2nd goal at CWC.

airmark:
The moment i saw the frame without Gusto, i knew something was wrong with their analyses.

Rumdeuter and his gang of ignorant analysts didn't blame PSG's defenders when Gusto made similar run to unsettle their defence for Palmer's 2nd goal at CWC.

In this frame it is easy to see that Chelsea had a 2 vs 1 advantage on the PSG defender which is why the other defender tried to join and help

in Liverpools game, Kerkez was already with Gusto, So what is VVD reason for avoiding Caicedo

raumdeuter:
In this frame it is easy to see that Chelsea had a 2 vs 1 advantage on the PSG defender which is why the other defender tried to join and help

in Liverpools game, Kerkez was already with Gusto, So what is VVD reason for avoiding Caicedo

How is Kerkez with Caicedo here?

Had VVD engaged Caicedo earlier, a pass to Gusto who would have touched the ball diagonally into the box, away from Kerkez who wouldn't touch Gusto as he would breeze in to face the helpless keeper.

raumdeuter:
See how Boateng charged at the attacker as he was about to shoot instead of waiting for the DM or someone else to do it. Boateng could have retreated forme activity claiming he was tracking the run of another player but he took charge of the situation That is how defenders take charge and take responsibilities not pointing at others.

Boathand, the charge and bail fall defender.

airmark:
How is Kerkez with Caicedo here?

Had VVD engaged Caicedo earlier, a pass to Gusto who would have touched the ball diagonally into the box, away from Kerkez who wouldn't touch Gusto as he would breeze in to face the helpless keeper.

Kerkez is onto Gusto, VVD is onto Caicedo. That's your image there.

I'm in severe pains

But e never reach 7 premier league games na

Had VVD engaged Caicedo earlier, a pass to Gusto who would have touched the ball diagonally into the box, away from Kerkez who wouldn't touch Gusto as he would breeze in to face the helpless keeper.

This is straight from JK Rowling. Imaginary stuff.

This isn't even analysis.

There's a white line drawn that Kerkez is trying to maintain with VVD. As long as that line is maintained Caicedo cannot attempt a pass because the Liverpool defense will push up to keep him [Gusto] off. Flick uses it alot. It's operation keep him [Gusto] offside or force him [Moses] to shoot from distance.

That's what PSG tried to do for the 3rd CFC goal but Berardo (having not played 1st team football for a while) broke that line and Palmer was clever to slip Joao Pedro through.

raumdeuter:
See how Boateng charged at the attacker as he was about to shoot instead of waiting for the DM or someone else to do it. Boateng could have retreated forme activity claiming he was tracking the run of another player but he took charge of the situation That is how defenders take charge and take responsibilities not pointing at others.

https://j.gifs.com/m2Gobx.gif

Thank you for this gif.

How people defend VVD is beyond me. Popizaino is talking as if a CB cannot come out and neutralise a danger. Must it be Mcallister that must tackle Caicedo there? It's just a question of timing your move very well, VVD could have neutralise Caicedo while Kerkez cover Gusto.

But it's VVD, he can do no wrong.

raumdeuter:
I read and laughed, Its everyones fault except for VVD who chose to turn nyansh

As in...

Android17:
Very Airmarkian. Comparing a former DEFENDER turned pundit, to one of the GOATs of midfielders when MIDFIELDERS are being discussed.

Imagine pitting a commentator's hot take vs a credentialed assessment of an expert in their specific field. Meanwhile, I'm the one leaning on the expert...
Again, like your nemesis, you run behind making "passionate" defenses for your arguments but when scrutinized they appear imprecise & gaping in logic.

In one breath, look at Neville and his CV, in another breath, no one needs to have a CV to have an opinion.

This is a laughable use of selective credentialism. Imagine extolling Gary who romanticizes the defensive contributions of players, while dismissing the positional expertise of Paul that actually enriches analysis & insight. You're bold, but I don't envy you.

The irony and utter hypocrisy. If positions are irrelevant, why specify "professional defender" in the challenge? It contradicts the "universal footballer" ethos. But you wouldn't know because you're looking for gotchas when you should have been looking for logic.

Come to think of it, is Paul Scholes a defensive midfielder? what right does he have to say who the best defensive midfielder is?

As you wan cap, make all of us cap nah

timbros:
Come to think of it, is Paul Scholes a defensive midfielder? what right does he have to say who the best defensive midfielder is?

As you wan cap, make all of us cap nah

Caicedo isn't a DM.

No dey turn amala. Stand straight.

airmark:
Boathand, the charge and bail fall defender.

Boateng with 2 trebles and 1 world cup.

VVD can never with that my body must not tuch ground running away from attacker football

Android17:
This is straight from JK Rowling. Imaginary stuff.

This isn't even analysis.

There's a white line drawn that Kerkez is trying to maintain with VVD. As long as that line is maintained Caicedo cannot attempt a pass because the Liverpool defense will push up to keep him [Gusto] off. Flick uses it alot. It's operation keep him [Gusto] offside or force him [Moses] to shoot from distance.

That's what PSG tried to do for the 3rd CFC goal but Berardo (having not played 1st team football for a while) broke that line and Palmer was clever to slip Joao Pedro through.

One minute you go cap useless the next minute you go too make sense.

This analysis up there is spot on. That's what I've been trying to explain to Silentgroper.

There's no way Kerkez won't neutralise Gusto in that frame. VVD should simply handle Caicedo. But he won't. He has a "never dribbled past" record to maintain.

Android17:
Caicedo isn't a DM.

No dey turn amala. Stand straight.

As long as Lavia is not in the team, Caicedo is the DM.

Ever wondered why the comparison is always Caicedo vs Gravernbach?

airmark:
How is Kerkez with Caicedo here?

Had VVD engaged Caicedo earlier, a pass to Gusto who would have touched the ball diagonally into the box, away from Kerkez who wouldn't touch Gusto as he would breeze in to face the helpless keeper.

Kerkez was onto Gusto, even Caicedo had enough time to pump a fake shot while VVD was still running away

timbros:
As long as Lavia is not in the team, Caicedo is the DM.

Ever wondered why the comparison is always Caicedo vs Gravernbach?

I understand positional play. Caicedo is a CM. Because he focuses on breaking plays, intercepting & making tackles doesn't mean he is a DM. Even wingers have defensive assignments doesn't make them WBs.

That's why Scholes isn't quick to crown Caicedo the best this season. We all can see he's brilliant with ball-winning but we want to see him consistently execute the other functions of a MIDFIELDER like Tonali for e.g.

Stop turning amala. The discussion was best midfielder this season not who defends better between Caicedo and Gravenberch. Gravenberch is a CM as well.

Android17:
I understand positional play. Caicedo is a CM. Because he focuses on breaking plays, intercepting & making tackles doesn't mean he is a DM. Even wingers have defensive assignments doesn't make them WBs.

That's why Scholes isn't quick to crown Caicedo the best this season. We all can see he's brilliant with ball-winning but we want to see him consistently execute the other functions of a MIDFIELDER like Tonali for e.g.

Stop turning amala. The discussion was best midfielder this season not who defends better between Caicedo and Gravenberch. Gravenberch is a CM as well.

Who is Chelsea's DM?

timbros:


Who is Chelsea's DM?

The player(s) you bought to replace Jorginho.

Android17:
The player(s) you bought to replace Jorginho.

Being?

Android17:
Kerkez is onto Gusto, VVD is onto Caicedo. That's your image there.

Which Kerkez is onto Gusto?

Once VVD engages Caicedo, the passing lane will open and Gusto's first touch will get Kerkez out of the picture just as Caicedo's first touch from Gusto's initial pass did to Mc Allister. Before Cacicedo touched the ball, one would think Mc Alister had a chance, but the first touch knocked him off and exposed his rear, as seen below. That's why it's not everytime you engage.

timbros:
Being?

Enzo, Lavia.

airmark:
Which Kerkez is onto Gusto?

Once VVD engages Caicedo, the passing lane will open and Gusto's first touch will get Kerkez out of the picture just as Caicedo's first touch from Gusto's initial pass did to Mc Allister. Before Cacicedo touched the ball, one would think Mc Alister had a chance, but the first touch knocked him off, as seen below.

Guy, why are you like this? Why are you going to many moments before the goal?

Android17:
Enzo, Lavia.

So Enzo is our DM?

Brooooooooooo!

timbros:
So Enzo is our DM?

Brooooooooooo!

Make CFC fans leave me out of una in-house DM debate.

Caicedo is unlocking Enzo as Lavia unlocks Caicedo.

Android17:
Guy, why are you like this? Why are you going to many moments before the goal?

Mc Allister engaged foolishly that's what gave Caicedo the chance as he breezed past him with his first touch. Gusto would have breezed past Kerkez with his first touch into the box.

One must spoonfeed you.

Android17:
Make CFC fans leave me out of una in-house DM debate.

Caicedo is unlocking Enzo as Lavia unlocks Caicedo.

But I, as a CF fan, told you that Caicedo is our DM as long as Lavia is out. Why were you arguing?

airmark:
Mc Allister engaged foolishly that's what gave Caicedo the chance as he breezed past him with his first touch. Gusto would have breezed past Kerkez with his first touch.

One must spoonfeed you.

Presumptive analysis. McAllister didn't even engage foolishly, Gusto put the ball out of touch with the quick pass to Caicedo whose 1st touch gave him separation.

Now Gusto is attempting to overlap to pull Kerkez aside, to open the space for Caicedo. Moses is now vs VVD (since that combo play with Moses has removed McAllister). VVD has to close the shooting lane. VVD instead tried to block the passing lane to Kerkez thinking he'll take his chances with Moses shooting.

Moses scored.

airmark:
Mc Allister engaged foolishly that's what gave Caicedo the chance as he breezed past him with his first touch. Gusto would have breezed past Kerkez with his first touch into the box.

One must spoonfeed you.

The pass you're hoping he can make in your 2nd image is part of the danger of looking at still frames.

Can't you see that Kerkez is ahead of Gusto? Rewatch it again using the ref cam (the official EPL highlights have it). Kerkez will close Gusto down EASILY.

timbros:
But I, as a CF fan, told you that Caicedo is our DM as long as Lavia is out. Why were you arguing?

Your team plays positional football. Maybe you've forgotten who Maresca's mentor is.

Ibime was telling you people the other day that ideally managers want robost, all-rounders in midfield. Szobo, Maca and Graven are all CMs for example and all 3 have defensive assignments but the manager depending on the game can make 1 of them have the more defensive role. Doesn't mean that player is a DM. Again that's why Moses cannot shy away from other midfield responsibilities like he is now showing (AKA scoring) (he has to add press-resistance, tempo-setting, chance creation etc to the fray to be elite).

Don't forget Neville vs Scholes also discussed Declan Rice as one of the contenders. Is he a DM for Arsenal? No. Another team that plays positional football as well.

raumdeuter:
Boateng with 2 trebles and 1 world cup.

VVD can never with that my body must not tuch ground running away from attacker football

I learnt that Last link fc fired him and no club could sign him, so he retired.

Android17:
Presumptive analysis. McAllister didn't even engage foolishly, Gusto put the ball out of touch with the quick pass to Caicedo whose 1st touch gave him separation.

This just shows you have limited knowledge of on-field situations. Mc Allister moving towards Caicedo killed him there, but you wouldn't understand.

Meanwhile, the ref cam won't show you the true distance between two players like the aerial view that captured better.

Android17:
Now Gusto is attempting to overlap to pull Kerkez aside, to open the space for Caicedo. Moses is now vs VVD (since that combo play with Moses has removed McAllister). VVD has to close the shooting lane. VVD instead tried to block the passing lane to Kerkez thinking he'll take his chances with Moses shooting.

Moses scored.

Gusto wasn't running to pull Kerkez aside, he saw the acre of space and attempted to run thinking VVD would engage and he walks the ball to goal. It seems you never played attack before on the pitch.

No experienced coach would blame VVD in that situation, but praise Caicedo.

airmark:
I learnt that Last link fc fired him and no club could sign him, so he retired.

All legends retire at some point, Some might even believe they can still do it but the club disagree

What matters is what you achieved in your peak like winning the big trophies