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gammarays:
You're referencing a video? Anyone can make videos. There are several prophecies about the suffering and death of Christ not just Isaiah.
Use the scriptures as reference not what someone said

sonmvayina:
Please, just take your time and watch it.

Your problem is that you take text out of context. Read it like how Isaiah wrote it. You will not see one minute idea of Jesus there. There server is Israel and so many places in Isaiah, God said that his servant is Israel/Jacob. Why will it change in chapter 53?

Please watch the video let Rabii Tovia Singer explain it well for you.

sonmvayina:
The word 'messiah' is the anglicisation of the Hebrew 'moshiach'. The word moshiach translates to 'anointed'. The title of moshiach was given to any person who was appropriately anointed with oil as part of their initiation to their service of HaShem. We have had many moshiachim (pl) in the form of kings, priests, prophets, and judges. There is absolutely nothing supernatural about a moshiach.

This being said, there is a prophecy of a future moshiach, however, this is a relatively minor topic in Judaism and the Tanach.

The Jewish requirements of hamoshiach are:

* Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28)
* Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6)
* Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
* Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "HaShem will be King over all the world -- on that day, HaShem will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)
* Hamoshiach must be descended on his father's side from King David (Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1)
* Hamoshiach will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

gammarays:
You need deep understanding as you're shallow.
What's the need of the anointing if there's nothing supernatural about it?

Jesus has fulfilled and is fulfilling all the Jewish conditions you stated. Descending from the tribe of David and king over all. An immortal king over flesh and spirits.

In the new world He'll be the one to usher in peace, end sufferings and diseases etc as rightly stated in the old and new testaments.

In this present age, there'll be no peace, there'll be wars, sufferings, deaths etc as He said which is fulfilled in our eyes. Not forgetting the Antichrist who'll try to play Christ by ushering in world peace but that'll fail.

Jesus didn't come to abolish the Torah but to make it stronger. Men will worship God in truth and in spirit not just physical acts. The new testament perfects the old testament.

sonmvayina:
where did you get all these BS from?
all this things you claim are not captured in the Tanakh to begin with, so you still don't get it. for you to be '' The Messiah'' you have to be
descended from king David, Jesus was not. the gospel stories says he has no father. so Jesus has no ancestor that is connected to David.
He failed in that aspect. The messiah will do does things on first try, that is how you know. the fact that Jesus died shows that he is not the messiah. during the time the Christian are saying he lived, there where other claimant to the messiah, they were all killed by Rome.
God never said the messiah will be his son, he is a man that is anointed to the service of God, this is the point you keep missing.
God can not be anointed to his own service. the anointing is usually with oil kept inside the ark of the covenant,
you can keep worshipping your roman god, just know he has nothing to do with the creator of the universe.
There is no such thing as ''Anti-Messiah'' or ''second coming''. those are the excuses that the romans are giving for the failure of their messiah to fulfill the requirement.
the messiah is not supposed to die.....and then come back. no mention of that anywhere. it is a Christian teaching to keep the lie going. you have been scammed,

gammarays:
Time is coming when the Jews will acknowledge the Christ that once lived with them and go back to Him.

Christianity is what's keeping Israel. For the sake of Jesus Christ and to preserve the holy city Jerusalem, the crusader war was fought.
Jerusalem and Israel still keeps the historical sites of Jesus Christ till today. If it is a scam, the Jews and everything about them are scams.

The Jews are still getting sympathy and support because of Christianity not Judaism. The rejected stone not found worthy which became the chief cornerstone.

Christianity was exported from Israel to Rome and other parts of the world

sonmvayina:
The Jews will never do that. If they try it, God will punish them, because it is idolatry.
Christianity is based on two things that God hates....human sacrifice and idolatry.

theu wont even think of it. they know the implication.

gammarays:
They're practicing idolatry already since they harbor the relics of Jesus Christ live on earth in their country and God hasn't punished them.

The present Israel is preserved because of the identity of Christ.
Let them stop the pilgrimage associated with Christianity or Jesus Christ and remove everything that identifies with it and see what happens to them.