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Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by ismodiwa(m): 6:21pm On Oct 16, 2025
Botragelad:
You can clearly see how Islamist are forcing their way into the West, making demands they wouldn’t tolerate on their own soil. They expect everyone else to bow to their strict laws, but expect freedom of religion wherever they go.

What’s worse is how a lot of people in the West just play along, too scared of being called “intolerant” to face the truth. Even the Vatican seems to be bending over backward to please an ideology that openly rejects everything Western culture stands for.

Let’s stop pretending. Islam has nothing in common with Western values. And let’s not forget, Christians, Jews, Hindus, and otrhers can’t even set foot in Mecca to practice their faith. The double standard is loud and clear.
Have you been to mecca before, are u a Jew, Hindu, or Christian? Stop spitting rubbish without fact check..
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by CrownedPhoenix: 6:39pm On Oct 16, 2025
You can't even comment freely on their threads.

I still ask: Will a muslim school allow a girl who practices any other religion and decides not to cover her hair at all?

I know a number of liberal ones but from what I see majority are extremely intolerant.
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by darediamond(m): 6:48pm On Oct 16, 2025
SpecialAdviser:
Its a Shame the holy father takes this direction. Very big shame. Yiu cannot dine with the DEVIL. No way
Yi mu!
Your "HOLY FATHER" sef na the real "DEVIL" itself.
Rome Government created Roman Catholic Church a counterfeit paganized Christian Church. Later, after UPTO 560 years Jesus have died and ascended to Heaven, The Roman Empire Created Paganized Church created ISLAM. The records are there for your verifications.

Catholic Church is another level of SATANISM of PAGAN practices like Easter, ChristmaRS etc.
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by thrillionaire(m): 8:11pm On Oct 16, 2025
Elusive001:
Bros, Roman Catholic has a lot in common with Islam. Research very well, you will see it. When the chips are down, their will accept islam ahead of Christians.
When the chips are down, Islam na him go accept Christianity you hear?
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by Juoflife1(f): 8:47pm On Oct 16, 2025
What sort of crap is this? Europe will never learn
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by dalass(f): 8:49pm On Oct 16, 2025
Sterope:
Nah, it won’t happen in your lifetime and it will never happen because Christianity is already cr*unbling.

Here’s a little fun fact: even the Kaaba will one day face destruction. And who predicted that? Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). We will still face Kaaba when we pray because it was never about the building.

Unlike you, we Muslims already know how the end times will unfold. Now we watch with patience and faith. tongue
The table you are shaking, hmmm.

Well, in your holy book, it is written that Jesus is coming back again. Jesus was born of holy conception, performed many miracles. His mother Maria has a whole Sura (Chapter 19) to her name?

Ever wondered why He's so special among the prophets in your holy bookhuh
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by Sterope(f): 9:44pm On Oct 16, 2025
Let's break it, shall we?

Did you miss the part where my God said that the birth of Jesus (peace be upon him) is no different from that of Adam (peace be upon him)?

Adam had neither father nor mother; he was created with the word when God said, “Be, and it is” — just as Jesus was.
(Āl ʿImrān 3:59)

Did you also skip the part where Jesus (peace be upon him) said that he will die and be raised again alive meaning on the Day of Judgement?. Before twisting that statement, note that John (peace be upon him) used the same expression in the very chapter named after Mary (peace be upon her).
(Maryam 19:33–34)

Did you miss where God cvrrsed those who lie about Jesus, calling him “God,” or “the son of God,” or saying that “God is one of three”? He was repeatedly furious about it and attributed to a great misguidance..

(Al-Mā’idah 5:72–73)

And did you miss the part with future conversation between God and Jesus (peace be upon him) where God will question Jesus (peace be upon him), saying:

"Did you tell people to take you and your mother as gods besides Me?"
and Jesus will reply:
"Glory be to You! I would never say what I have no right to say... If You forgive them, You are the Almighty, the Wise. If You punish them, they are Your servants; and if You forgive them, then indeed You are the Mighty, the Wise"

(Al-Mā’idah 5:116–118)


Selectively reading can make one a lair. You shovld not read selectivwly so we dunut call you a lair. tongue


As a Muslim, my faith teaches me not to distinguish between the prophets in worth or truth; all were messengers of the same One God, each fulfilling a divine purpose. Yet, if any prophet holds a unique position, it is Muhammad (peace be upon him) — the Seal of all Prophets — whose remembrance God has elevated for all generations, 1400+ years and still counting — across the whole world — the most influential man alive tongue, and who alone has been granted the honour of interceding for all humanity. smiley








dalass:
The table you are shaking, hmmm.

Well, in your holy book, it is written that Jesus is coming back again. Jesus was born of holy conception, performed many miracles. His mother Maria has a whole Sura (Chapter 19) to her name?

Ever wondered why He's so special among the prophets in your holy bookhuh
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by panafrican(m): 11:05pm On Oct 16, 2025
This American Pope is nuts.
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by tommysparks: 11:55pm On Oct 16, 2025
AntiChristian:
grin

Make them dey careful o! Paul don talk am finish for 2 Corinthians 6:13-15:

As a fair exchange, I ask you as my children: Open wide your hearts also. Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?

The Christian mentality is to first widen their heart! Then later show you the Belial in them!
going by this quote, a believer is not supposed to share this world with an unbeliever, question is why where you even yoked on this earth with an unbeliever?
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by Caseless: 1:19am On Oct 17, 2025
Botragelad:
You can clearly see how Islamist are forcing their way into the West, making demands they wouldn’t tolerate on their own soil. They expect everyone else to bow to their strict laws, but expect freedom of religion wherever they go.

What’s worse is how a lot of people in the West just play along, too scared of being called “intolerant” to face the truth. Even the Vatican seems to be bending over backward to please an ideology that openly rejects everything Western culture stands for.

Let’s stop pretending. Islam has nothing in common with Western values. And let’s not forget, Christians, Jews, Hindus, and others can’t even set foot in Mecca to practice their faith. The double standard is loud and clear.
do you read or you're just a bot programmed to be spewing rubbish here?

incredibly old Qurans” alongside Hebrew, Ethiopian, Arabic, and Chinese works. “We are a universal library,” he explained.
You don't know anything.
Tell the people you worship to stop creating chaos in their country so they won't have reasons to come to the west.
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by FuckYeyeMods: 4:57am On Oct 17, 2025
Botragelad:
You can clearly see how Islamist are forcing their way into the West, making demands they wouldn’t tolerate on their own soil. They expect everyone else to bow to their strict laws, but expect freedom of religion wherever they go.

What’s worse is how a lot of people in the West just play along, too scared of being called “intolerant” to face the truth. Even the Vatican seems to be bending over backward to please an ideology that openly rejects everything Western culture stands for.

Let’s stop pretending. Islam has nothing in common with Western values. And let’s not forget, Christians, Jews, Hindus, and others can’t even set foot in Mecca to practice their faith. The double standard is loud and clear.
Those that grant them those things knows far more better than you.
You're here in naija manipulated by some so called men of God. While they drive expensive cars and fly private jets or cruising in first class cabin without your likes challenging them, how dare you question how other people treat people from another faith. Your pastor using psychology to glue you to the church with lies and falsehood.
Like it or not, what you hear every Sunday is manipulation. Don't be decieve kiddo.
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by AntiChristian: 5:16am On Oct 17, 2025
tommysparks:
going by this quote, a believer is not supposed to share this world with an unbeliever, question is why where you even yoked on this earth with an unbeliever?
Na Paul make we ask o!
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by 12345baba(m): 6:21am On Oct 17, 2025
Botragelad:
You can clearly see how Islamist are forcing their way into the West, making demands they wouldn’t tolerate on their own soil. They expect everyone else to bow to their strict laws, but expect freedom of religion wherever they go.

What’s worse is how a lot of people in the West just play along, too scared of being called “intolerant” to face the truth. Even the Vatican seems to be bending over backward to please an ideology that openly rejects everything Western culture stands for.

Let’s stop pretending. Islam has nothing in common with Western values. And let’s not forget, Christians, Jews, Hindus, and others can’t even set foot in Mecca to practice their faith. The double standard is loud and clear.
nawa for u o. Go and read more, catholic and Muslims are brothers the two of them even leave together in Jerusalem, the two pray with incense, pray with beads , the genuflect while praying. Una go just open mouth dey talk waaaaaaaaaa dey vomit una ignorance and hatred. U go reach heaven see Muslim dey chill sef.
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by Mirasteel: 6:38am On Oct 17, 2025
RemoveKebab:
so what consigns you praying in Vatican city?
Why can't you reciprocate the gesture in mecca
if not to mock and desecrate Christianity to satisfy a form of superiority urge.
I don't blame you all only the morons and retards in the west that will learn the hard way in years to come.
Why are you wailing? the pope allowed them, why are you pained? you need to cleanse your heart. so much bitterness.
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by Abelino(m): 8:25am On Oct 17, 2025
Ignorance is indeed bliss to those who dwells in ignorance.
Elusive001:
Bros, Roman Catholic has a lot in common with Islam. Research very well, you will see it. When the chips are down, their will accept islam ahead of Christians.
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by TV01(m): 10:48am On Oct 17, 2025
Sterope:
Yaeh right, the same Christians that came to Africa but perpetuated the worst slave trade ever. Interpreted the Bible to claim the black race is cvrsed. Those ones? angry
The honour due the bolded actually belongs to the arab\islamic slave trade. It may just be ignorance and not ill-intent on your part, but a cursory search would have shown this. I'm feeling generous so a précis for anyone reading.

The arab\islamic slave trade was longer, took more captives and was more brutal than the trans-atlantic slave trade.

It lasted from the 7th until the 20th century. Until it was abolished by threat of the UK. And, although there is a seeming de jure abolition, in practice it persists. You can still buy "black people" in slave markets in the arab\islamic world today. Further, it is embedded in the Islamic texts and doctrinally (as with most islamic practices) arguments can be made either way.

There are estimates of up to 18 million for the number of sub-saharan Africans alone. Noting that the trade spanned continents reaching as far as Europe, India and China.

One notable point about the arab\islamic trade was the brutality with which the slaves were treated. Despite the number of slaves taken, does anyone wonder why there are no large extant populations in north African countries unlike north America? It's because the preferred (mostly young male slaves) were routinely castrated. I could go into the resultant lifelong health issues and shortened life-span, but hopefully you get the point.

I stop here as the thought of beta arab male moon god worshippers castrating black African males...anyway. So please feel free to worship the god with no name presented by a prophet with no provenance and scripture that is best described as parody or pastiche but don't gaslight us about it's regressive nature and love of death and destruction.


TV


ps - I don't actually give a rats arse about what the vatican does or does not do.
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by Sterope(f): 1:14pm On Oct 17, 2025
Both systems were horrific — but in very different ways.

Europeans, mostly good Christian, infliicteed extremei dehvmanissation: Enslaved people were packed like sardines on ships, displayed in “zoo galleries,” violeentlly attacked, and in some cases used for human experimevtss.

Brutal labor left permanent scars; mortality rates were extremely high. Justificationscame biblical interpretations claiming Africans were descendants of Noah’s cursed son. The system aimed for permanent subjugation, erasing identity, language, and culture, while skin color determined status.


Take a guess who is repeating similar patterns today in Palestine and Congo… your Judeo-Christian "brothers." Even Netanyahu referenced it by its biblical name: Amalek.



On the other end, for Arab slavery, the historical practices diverged from Islamic principles already laid down both in the Qur'an (Qur'an literally has verses on charity to slaves including manumission), and scholars repeatedly condemned it. Empires like the Ottoman tolerated slavery for profit and they knew it was wrong. Even then, manumission was encouraged and existed widely.

Slaves could achieve upward mobility, some held political or administrative roles. Discrimination based on ethnicity was frowned upon; Black Muslims, Persians, Indians, and others could rise in society. Identity, religion, and social integration were often preserved, even amid brutality


TV01:
The honour due the bolded actually belongs to the arab\islamic slave trade. It may just be ignorance and not ill-intent on your part, but a cursory search would have shown this. I'm feeling generous so a précis for anyone reading.

The arab\islamic slave trade was longer, took more captives and was more brutal than the trans-atlantic slave trade.

It lasted from the 7th until the 20th century. Until it was abolished by threat of the UK. And, although there is a seeming de jure abolition, in practice it persists. You can still buy "black people" in slave markets in the arab\islamic world today. Further, it is embedded in the Islamic texts and doctrinally (as with most islamic practices) arguments can be made either way.

There are estimates of up to 18 million for the number of sub-saharan Africans alone. Noting that the trade spanned continents reaching as far as Europe, India and China.

One notable point about the arab\islamic trade was the brutality with which the slaves were treated. Despite the number of slaves taken, does anyone wonder why there are no large extant populations in north African countries unlike north America? It's because the preferred (mostly young male slaves) were routinely castrated. I could go into the resultant lifelong health issues and shortened life-span, but hopefully you get the point.

I stop here as the thought of beta arab male moon god worshippers castrating black African males...anyway. So please feel free to worship the god with no name presented by a prophet with no provenance and scripture that is best described as parody or pastiche but don't gaslight us about it's regressive nature and love of death and destruction.


TV


ps - I don't actually give a rats arse about what the vatican does or does not do.
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by Goodlady(f): 1:26pm On Oct 17, 2025
AntiChristian:
Na Paul make we ask o!
When Vatican rescind that order, your eyes go clear. Keep abusing apostle Paul.
He has finished the good work which Allah has sent him to do on earth. It's you that should strive to avoid hell cos this username is baàdluck to you
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by TV01(m):
Sterope:
Both systems were horrific — but in very different ways.
Clearly your original post was maliciously intended - you described the transatlantic slave trade as the worst. Simply put, that is not factually grounded. It is untrue. A barefaced lie.

Sterope:
Europeans, mostly good Christian, infliicteed extremei dehvmanissation: Enslaved people were packed like sardines on ships, displayed in “zoo galleries,” violeentlly attacked, and in some cases used for human experimevtss.

Brutal labor left permanent scars; mortality rates were extremely high. Justificationscame biblical interpretations claiming Africans were descendants of Noah’s cursed son. The system aimed for permanent subjugation, erasing identity, language, and culture, while skin color determined status.
Again, this is mostly waffle. The Christian scriptures do not countenance slavery, period. So at best, the perpetuators were not Christians, ill-informed or simply evil - co-opting the scriptures to excuse their wickedness. This is not a reflection on Christianity.

To be clear, the TAST arose from the so called enlightenment which sought to overthrow the faith as the guiding light of society. From this arose notions of evolution\darwinism, which classified humans based on ethnic\racial lines and was the imprimatur for slavery.

Christianity was able to re-assert itself and make the case for abolition. FACT. The UK unilaterally enforced this abolition, at great cost, culminating with the forcible enforcement on the Saudi's as I mentioned on my previous post. FACT.

And another thing, abhorrent as it was, and this in no way ameliorates it, the TAST was a trade - locals were complicit. The arab slave trade by contrast was fuelled mostly by wars and raiding parties. And also included enforced conscription, with slaves trained as soldiers, often beng sent back to raid their birth communities - yep, for more slaves.

There is no equivocation. Yes, slavery is always brutal and dehumanising, but Jesus came to set the captives free! Whereas Mohammed was a trader of slaves. And the arab\islamic slave trade (which has not really ended), has been for longer, was furher reaching and more brutal. Islam views slavery as halal, as long as they are non-muslims.

Sterope:
Take a guess who is repeating similar patterns today in Palestine and Congo… your Judeo-Christian "brothers." Even Netanyahu referenced it by its biblical name: Amalek.
Deperation sets in undecided. Palestine, slavery? As for Congo, along with Sudan, Mozambique and Nigeria et al, it is marauding muslim jihadists, who have never really ceased to employ sex slavery as part of their bloodletting and destruction. Where are those girls again - where they ever brought back?

Amalek refers to the utter destruction of Israels enemies. Hamas served and got a return they couldn't handle. Stop whingeing. Christianity see's men as made in the image of God and all descended from one man and we decry any human being dying a senseless, brutal death. Islam however, views humans as mindless slaves, with no God imprint.

Islam celebrates death and destruction and never results in peace or prosperity. Why the pretence? Your scriptures want the obliteration of Jews and any notion of a Jewish state by any means possible. Keep going if you think you can overcome the Israelis.

Sterope:
On the other end, for Arab slavery, the historical practices diverged from Islamic principles already laid down both in the Qur'an (Qur'an literally has verses on charity to slaves including manumission), and scholars repeatedly condemned it. Empires like the Ottoman tolerated slavery for profit and they knew it was wrong. Even then, manumission was encouraged and existed widely.

Slaves could achieve upward mobility, some held political or administrative roles. Discrimination based on ethnicity was frowned upon; Black Muslims, Persians, Indians, and others could rise in society. Identity, religion, and social integration were often preserved, even amid brutality
You don't need to justify (or deploy takkiya grin). We know Islam and see it's outworkings every day. Save that for Bilal, your prophets favourite man-slave grin.


TV
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by BlackfireX: 3:16pm On Oct 17, 2025
dalass:
Seriously waiting to see that in my lifetime 🤩
Islam is a cult you come in with fanfare but you can't question or leave as the penalty is death


They can be allowed to grow in your domain but won't hesitate to kill you if you go to there location...cruelly enough there books supposed it
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by Sterope(f): 3:56pm On Oct 17, 2025
Of course, it was maaliciovs. Your blivndness saw my reply but not your brother's original comment; not surprised there. Hyocrisi must be your twin brother.

Because Christianity ended up changing the narrative which is still present today...cue the KKK and modern white nationalist movements; does not erase how the Bible and Christian institutions were used to justify the mistreeatmeent of Black people. The so-called "Cvrse of Noah" (the Ham/Noah story: Genesis 9:20–27) was repeatedly invoked to legitimise racciial slavery and the brvtal hierarchies that followed.

Even the Church wasn't left out of the slave trade; in fact it allowed, encouraged, profited from, and directly partook in it from institutions that trace back to the Roman Empire through later Catholic and Protestant bodies (including the Jesuits, the Church of England, and others). That’s historical fact; the apologia that comes later doesn’t change the original complicity.



I mean, aren’t we talking about the same Bible that contains laws allowing a father to sell his daughter as a servant? (Exodus 21:7–11 ) Please come off it.

When I spoke about slave upward mobility, I wasn’t referring to Bilal; I was talking about court administors, Governors, military commanders etc. Not a gotcha you were hoping for. undecided

Whether you like it or not, it is a fact that Islam developed principles regulating slavery and encouraging manumission and slaves were to be enemy combatants that you fought against; Whereas Christianity and Judaism societies historically developed legal and scriptural frameworks that were often used to justify slavery rather than to abolish it.

Finally on scale and specific hoorrrors that distinguish the Atlantic slave system from of Arab slavery, your Christian folks codified race based chhaattel slavery, laws for slaves; experimented on them, organised vigilanttee violence and lynchhinngs against them even when it was later abolished, forced breeddiing, packed them like sardines...have you watched roots at all?


I have this rule, it is a rule for eedeeiots. People who insist Allah doesn't mean God, insist that Islam came from Syria, or that The Romans founded Islam and Catholicsm or even preach Takiya....are just plain ztvpid and irredeemable. Frankly, they are a joke! The list is inexhaustible. You fall into one of the categories.

TV01:
Clearly your original post was maliciously intended - you described the transatlantic slave trade as the worst. Simply put, that is not factually grounded. It is untrue. A barefaced lie.

Again, this is mostly waffle. The Christian scriptures do not countenance slavery, period. So at best, the perpetuators were not Christians, ill-informed or simply evil - co-opting the scriptures to excuse their wickedness. This is not a reflection on Christianity.

To be clear, the TAST arose from the so called enlightenment which sought to overthrow the faith as the guiding light of society. From this arose notions of evolution\darwinism, which classified humans based on ethnic\racial lines and was the imprimatur for slavery.

Christianity was able to re-assert itself and make the case for abolition. FACT. The UK unilaterally enforced this abolition, at great cost, culminating with the forcible enforcement on the Saudi's as I mentioned on my previous post. FACT.

And another thing, abhorrent as it was, and this in no way ameliorates it, the TAST was a trade - locals were complicit. The arab slave trade by contrast was fuelled mostly by wars and raiding parties. And also included enforced conscription, with slaves trained as soldiers, often beng sent back to raid their birth communities - yep, for more slaves.

There is no equivocation. Yes, slavery is always brutal and dehumanising, but Jesus came to set the captives free! Whereas Mohammed was a trader of slaves. And the arab\islamic slave trade (which has not really ended), has been for longer, was furher reaching and more brutal. Islam views slavery as halal, as long as they are non-muslims.

Deperation sets in undecided. Palestine, slavery? As for Congo, along with Sudan, Mozambique and Nigeria et al, it is marauding muslim jihadists, who have never really ceased to employ sex slavery as part of their bloodletting and destruction. Where are those girls again - where they ever brought back?

Amalek refers to the utter destruction of Israels enemies. Hamas served and got a return they couldn't handle. Stop whingeing. Christianity see's men as made in the image of God and all descended from one man and we decry any human being dying a senseless, brutal death. Islam however, views humans as mindless slaves, with no God imprint.

Islam celebrates death and destruction and never results in peace or prosperity. Why the pretence? Your scriptures want the obliteration of Jews and any notion of a Jewish state by any means possible. Keep going if you think you can overcome the Israelis.

You don't need to justify (or deploy takkiya grin). We know Islam and see it's outworkings every day. Save that for Bilal, your prophets favourite man-slave grin.


TV
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by BlackfireX: 4:05pm On Oct 17, 2025
TUANKU:
There's a Jewish temple & school in Tehran.
There's a church in Tehran, there are christians in Iran.
Alfa ganusi.. is Tehran mecca? Are you been serious right now?

Mind you in Iran there Jewish and Christian communities predating Islam... but Islam entered Iran through bloods and murder ....Read the history son of mutah
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by Sterope(f): 4:25pm On Oct 17, 2025
I can't remember Jesus anulling slavery in the Biboe.

But I do remember your God commanding genocide, total wiipey out of whole communities including children and new borns

I can't remember Jesus in the Bible apologising or regretting or saying old testament laws don't apply anymore. That is your man made interpretation... shaping God to fit white liberalism.


TV01:
Clearly your original post was maliciously intended - you described the transatlantic slave trade as the worst. Simply put, that is not factually grounded. It is untrue. A barefaced lie.

Again, this is mostly waffle. The Christian scriptures do not countenance slavery, period. So at best, the perpetuators were not Christians, ill-informed or simply evil - co-opting the scriptures to excuse their wickedness. This is not a reflection on Christianity.

To be clear, the TAST arose from the so called enlightenment which sought to overthrow the faith as the guiding light of society. From this arose notions of evolution\darwinism, which classified humans based on ethnic\racial lines and was the imprimatur for slavery.

Christianity was able to re-assert itself and make the case for abolition. FACT. The UK unilaterally enforced this abolition, at great cost, culminating with the forcible enforcement on the Saudi's as I mentioned on my previous post. FACT.

And another thing, abhorrent as it was, and this in no way ameliorates it, the TAST was a trade - locals were complicit. The arab slave trade by contrast was fuelled mostly by wars and raiding parties. And also included enforced conscription, with slaves trained as soldiers, often beng sent back to raid their birth communities - yep, for more slaves.

There is no equivocation. Yes, slavery is always brutal and dehumanising, but Jesus came to set the captives free! Whereas Mohammed was a trader of slaves. And the arab\islamic slave trade (which has not really ended), has been for longer, was furher reaching and more brutal. Islam views slavery as halal, as long as they are non-muslims.

Deperation sets in undecided. Palestine, slavery? As for Congo, along with Sudan, Mozambique and Nigeria et al, it is marauding muslim jihadists, who have never really ceased to employ sex slavery as part of their bloodletting and destruction. Where are those girls again - where they ever brought back?

Amalek refers to the utter destruction of Israels enemies. Hamas served and got a return they couldn't handle. Stop whingeing. Christianity see's men as made in the image of God and all descended from one man and we decry any human being dying a senseless, brutal death. Islam however, views humans as mindless slaves, with no God imprint.

Islam celebrates death and destruction and never results in peace or prosperity. Why the pretence? Your scriptures want the obliteration of Jews and any notion of a Jewish state by any means possible. Keep going if you think you can overcome the Israelis.

You don't need to justify (or deploy takkiya grin). We know Islam and see it's outworkings every day. Save that for Bilal, your prophets favourite man-slave grin.


TV
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by TV01(m): 4:52pm On Oct 17, 2025
I was clear on my entry point. The TAST was not the worst slave trade ever. The arab\islamic one was. Period. But please keep mewling and flailing all over the place. Here are a few non-Christian sources.

https://wardheernews.com/the-arab-slave-trade-a-forgotten-chapter-in-african-history/
https://www.fairplanet.org/dossier/beyond-slavery/forgotten-slavery-the-arab-muslim-slave-trade-sex-trafficking/#:~:text=The%20Trans%2DSaharan%20Caravan%20focused,and%20thirst%20along%20the%20way.

The Christian vs. the Islamic scriptures. No matter what TAST did, no matter who was involved, the Christian scriptures clearly presented do not support slavery and it was Christians who eventually abolished slavery - EOS. Nor is there any Christian chattel slavery today.

Islam however, embeds it and still practices it. Nonsense about "upwardly mobile slaves" is laughable. All your duff comments are waffle - designed to defect and obfuscate. Keep pivoting to race based action and not what your heretical sect demands. Abdi is your generation grin.

Sterope:
Because Christianity ended up changing the narrative which is still present today...cue the KKK and modern white nationalist movements; does not erase how the Bible and Christian institutions were used to justify the mistreeatmeent of Black people. The so-called "Cvrse of Noah" (the Ham/Noah story: Genesis 9:20–27) was repeatedly invoked to legitimise racciial slavery and the brvtal hierarchies that followed.

Even the Church wasn't left out of the slave trade; in fact it allowed, encouraged, profited from, and directly partook in it from institutions that trace back to the Roman Empire through later Catholic and Protestant bodies (including the Jesuits, the Church of England, and others). That’s historical fact; the apologia that comes later doesn’t change the original complicity.
No need to explain or justify. Just accept your deen for what it is - unrelentingly, unapologetically ,inhumane, regressive, oppressive, brutal and bloodthirsty.


TV
Re: Vatican Library Grants Muslim Scholars A Prayer Room by ElevationD: 6:39pm On Oct 17, 2025
Sterope:
Hellllooooo?

Am I the Pope? Did anyone put a gvnn to their heads to allow Non Christians in the Vatican? It isn't like they are removing people or pagans or Muslims that are still indigenous to those lands? Biko, carry your wahala go meet pope.

Do you find it difficult to separate issues? That doesn't speak well of your critical thinking dear.
Your response to @blackfireX drew my attention. Go back there and ask yourself if your response was of critical thinking.
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