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Dtruthspeaker:
Have you not heard that the forbidden fruit is sex?

I prove it in this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/7947204/truly-forbidden-fruit-sex#127583663

Only to see that other people had found same even before me

I'm not aware the forbidden fruit is what you call it. What makes you feel they were having sex before God came calling them? What if they were living that way until their trouble with the serpeant came?

Dtruthspeaker:
Is it not Paul who described homosexuality and sexual wreckfulness in Romans 1 and 2?

Sexual wreckfulness left rape and prostitution and focused on anal😂😂😂
Ride on preacher. He said it but did he list the types of wreckfulness or your popes added theirs. It’s so bad we still have Pharisees and Sadducees and people are still following them🤦‍♂️
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I assume you read those Bible verses. So, let me ask you: when you build a beautiful apartment and rent it out to a tenant. Even not explicitly written otherwise in the agreements, how would you feel when you get to find out that the tenant has been cooking in bedroom despite a well furnished kitchen, and bathing in the kitchen despite the fitted bathroom. You'll feel bad right? Thats because its immoral for the tenant to do so, even though these were not in the agreements. Thats kind of how this is...

SpencerForbes:
Show me specifically the one that mentioned anal sex🤔

samuelson06:
I'm not aware the forbidden fruit is what you call it. What makes you feel they were having sex before God came calling them? What if they were living that way until their trouble with the serpeant came?

I don't understand you

Have you not seen that God always comes after we sin? They had finished having sex before God came.

And they were not living that way for we can all see that God usually comes to visit them and clearly did not run away from Him. .. until that day.

paxonel:
Lies!

God is not concerned about how married people are enjoying their sex.
If you want to say a particular sex pattern is bad, then give a tangible reason why, and stop bringing God into it

Anal sex is satanic. Even animals don’t do anal

McLizbae:
I assume you read those Bible verses. So, let me ask you: when you build a beautiful apartment and rent it out to a tenant. Even not explicitly written otherwise in the agreements, how would you feel when you get to find out that the tenant has been cooking in bedroom despite a well furnished kitchen, and bathing in the kitchen despite the fitted bathroom. You'll feel bad right? Thats because immoral for the tenant to do so, even though these were not in the agreements.

We humans made it so not God. In some part of Nigeria where they live in mud, they still do it and no one sees it as a sin. City life made it so. Even at that, I can decide to build a fire place in my sitting room and if the landlord never gave me warning not to then it’s justified.

Before you enter any house, the landlord will give you rules which you can follow and even the care taker will tell you what the landlord likes but in the case whereby the landlord and the caretaker never said anything about a fireplace and I go ahead to build it. Can you say I committed a crime🤔
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SpencerForbes:
Yeah the reason I didn’t indulge wasn’t that God told me not to but the society and Roman Catholic told me it’s bad. It’s my nature to have sex when I’m of age but people like you curbed it and I’m not saying it’s bad but don’t make it sound divine. Period
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Like you see and hear from God. Please.

Older religions, not other religions.

These stories were written thousands of years before the old testament, indicating that the Bible stories were copied from these older ones.

I thought the same way initially (that this meant the genesis story was true).

But the more I study human consciousness, neurology and psychology, the more I am convinced that the stories were written this way to help us better grasp the deeper truths.

There's also the possibility that the deep truths were simply mapped on top of actual key events.

You get a picture different from the genesis story in these older stories:

Here is one, older than the bible genesis story:

The Eridu Genesis is the ancient Sumerian creation and flood myth, predating the Biblical flood story and found on cuneiform tablets from around 1600 BCE.

It recounts the creation of the world and humankind, the founding of the first city, Eridu, and the gods' later decision to destroy humanity with a flood.

The myth details how the god Enki warned Ziusudra, who built an ark, survived the flood, and was rewarded with immortality for his piety.

Creation: The gods fashion humans from clay to relieve themselves of labor. They establish the first city, Eridu, and kingship is instituted.

The Flood: For reasons not fully explained in the extant text, the gods decide to destroy humanity with a great flood.

Ziusudra's Ark: The god Enki, who disagrees with the plan, secretly reveals the decision to Ziusudra, a devout man. Ziusudra builds a large boat and is saved.

Aftermath: After the flood subsides, Ziusudra makes a sacrifice. The gods, particularly An and Enlil, grant him eternal life for preserving humankind and the gods' creations.

Legacy: The Eridu Genesis is the oldest known version of the flood myth, a story found in many ancient cultures, and it established the Mesopotamian tradition of a world populated by gods and humans who are created to serve them.

Dtruthspeaker:
The mere fact that it is present in other religions is proof that it is True

Dtruthspeaker:
Like you see and hear from God. Please.

Why is deut or the Torah there🤔

dollypi:
Older religions, not other religions.

These stories were written thousands of years before the old testament, indicating that the Bible stories were copied from these older ones..

Vanguard newspapers is older than This Day newspapers, does not mean that This Day newspapers copied from Vanguard. They have their own verified sources. Same as the bible, of which we can all see that it's own report is different from the others. So this holds no water

SpencerForbes:
Why is deut or the Torah there🤔

Did you say you heard from Deut or the Torah? No. So this is moot

I know it's close to impossible for full human functioning (there are cases of humans raised from childhood by animals, but they never fully acted like humans after rescue)

Come to think of it, Jacob didn't get permission from Isaac before getting married to Leah and Rachael, and God didn't disapprove

How about that?

Dtruthspeaker:
I understand. You can check and see if it is possible for any baby or child to grow into an adult without someone being a parent to him/her

SpencerForbes:
Sexual wreckfulness left rape and prostitution and focused on anal😂😂😂..

See Change of Post!
The topic is lasciviousness and lust and not rape.

So off Point!

Lol. Not if they were referencing an event that happened before This Day was founded, an event at which Vanguard Newspaper reporters were present.

This is validated by the loss of details in the bible story, compared with the older ones.

Dtruthspeaker:
Vanguard newspapers is older than This Day newspapers, does not mean that This Day newspapers copied from Vanguard. They have their own verified sources. Same as the bible, of which we can all see that it's own report is different from the others. So this holds no water

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you say you heard from Deut or the Torah? No. So this is moot

Like where are the laws of God written please and I didn’t say I heard anything. You guys were the ones selling the narrative that anal sex is a sin according to God knows where and I countered. I’ve never seen anything of such in the Bible. Christian can explore and if he decides to punish them for something he didn’t warn them about, then so be it.

Dtruthspeaker:
See Change of Post!
The topic is lasciviousness and lust and not rape.

So off Point!

So how does this affect the Christian couples and then having anal sex??

dollypi:
I know it's close to impossible for full human functioning (there are cases of humans raised from childhood by animals, but they never fully acted like humans after rescue)

You believe movies?

dollypi:
Come to think of it, Jacob didn't get permission from Isaac before getting married to Leah and Rachael, and God didn't disapprove

How about that?

You are forgetting that Laban is his uncle which means "parent".

Then, now Christians now understand that God was giving him Leah but Jacob did not understand and therefore allowed himself to be controlled by beauty

Dtruthspeaker:
See Change of Post!
The topic is lasciviousness and lust and not rape.

So off Point!

You’re just jumping everywhere cos you have no point. Those things you listed there were by Roman Catholic and not any Christian. Nothing concerned the Christians of antioch with what you wrote up there.

Focus on your salvation and stop trying to build spirit of fear in people like the Pharisees.🥱
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SpencerForbes:
So how does this affect the Christian couples and then having anal sex??

Romans 1 and 2 and other scriptures clear all that pointing out that we know what things are right and acceptable as different from the things which are wrong even though we are surprised to find them pleasurable

I did forget Laban. Hmmm...interesting

On feral children...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amala_and_Kamala#:~:text=Amala%20(%20c.,raised%20by%20a%20wolf%20family.

Real-life cases of humans raised by animals include Kamala and Amala, two "wolf children" found in India in 1920; Marcos Rodríguez Pantoja, who spent 12 years with a wolf pack in Spain; John Ssebunya, raised by monkeys in Uganda; and Marina Chapman, who claims she was raised by capuchin monkeys in Colombia. These cases, often called "feral children," typically involve abandonment and a struggle to adapt to human society after being found.

Cases of children raised by animals
Kamala and Amala (wolf children): Discovered in India in 1920, these two girls were reportedly raised by a she-wolf and her pack. A missionary found them and attempted to re-acclimate them to human life, but both girls eventually died from illness.

Marcos Rodríguez Pantoja (wolf boy): Sold by his father in Spain, Pantoja was left to fend for himself after the goat herder he was living with died. He claimed to have lived with wolves for 12 years, adopting their behavior before being found.

John Ssebunya (monkey boy): Fleeing from an abusive father during Uganda's civil war, Ssebunya reportedly lived in the jungle with a troop of monkeys for about a year after the age of three. He mimicked their movements and survived by watching them.

Dtruthspeaker:
You believe movies?



You are forgetting that Laban is his uncle which means "parent".

Then, now Christians now understand that God was giving him Leah but Jacob did not understand and therefore allowed himself to be controlled by beauty

SpencerForbes:
You’re just jumping everywhere cos you have no point. Those things you listed there were by Roman Catholic and not any Christian. Nothing concerned the Christians of antioch with what you wrote up there.

Focus on your salvation and stop trying to build spirit of fear in people like the Pharisees.🥱
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Were the Christians in Antioch not called so because they were not as the heathen and gentiles who did all these things?

You are just struggling to hold on to air since find that you have fallen and have no thing to hold on to

Dtruthspeaker:
Romans 1 and 2 and other scriptures clear all that pointing out that we know what things are right and acceptable as different from the things which are wrong even though we are surprised to find them pleasurable

I just went to re read it and I saw homosexual, lesbians and beastiality nothing having sex with other parts and exploring. Na this una rules Dey make deeper life brothers no Dey marry deeper life sister. Sex was meant to be enjoyed and if you have the consent of your partner, then you’re good to go. Only exception is homos and lesbians.
Shalom
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You are only trying to win an argument here. See that you have subtly switch yourself to the tenant and not the landlord (as designated in this case). As the landlord you normally won't put in the agreement with your tenants, details of how they will use the rooms in the house. But you must agree that you won't be happy if anyone misuse your institution.
A lot of things are not written in ABC in the Bible. But with the spirit of God in you, you should know that that is sinful or not. The Bible did not made any statement about Yahoo Yahoo, money laundering, illicit drug running, gun and other arms running, stripping, pimping, and many more. But, a true Christian will understand and clearly decern that these are sinful.

SpencerForbes:
We humans made it so not God. In some part of Nigeria where they live in mud, they still do it and no one sees it as a sin. City life made it so. Even at that, I can decide to build a fire place in my sitting room and if the landlord never gave me warning not to then it’s justified.

Before you enter any house, the landlord will give you rules which you can follow and even the care taker will tell you what the landlord likes but in the case whereby the landlord and the caretaker never said anything about a fireplace and I go ahead to build it. Can you say I committed a crime🤔
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dollypi:
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On feral children...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amala_and_Kamala#:~:text=Amala%20(%20c.,raised%20by%20a%20wolf%20family.

Real-life cases of humans raised by animals include Kamala and Amala, two "wolf children" found in India in 1920; Marcos Rodríguez Pantoja, who spent 12 years with a wolf pack in Spain; John Ssebunya, raised by monkeys in Uganda; and Marina Chapman, who claims she was raised by capuchin monkeys in Colombia. These cases, often called "feral children," typically involve abandonment and a struggle to adapt to human society after being found.

Cases of children raised by animals
Kamala and Amala (wolf children): Discovered in India in 1920, these two girls were reportedly raised by a she-wolf and her pack. A missionary found them and attempted to re-acclimate them to human life, but both girls eventually died from illness..

I do not believe this reports. Nature and history always repeat themselves and their acts are always universal. So, you and I and our village people must know and have 1 or 2 people to corroborate this phenomenon

Dtruthspeaker:
Where the Christians in Antioch not called so because they were not as the heathen and gentiles who did all these things?

You are just struggling to hold on to air since find that you have fallen and have no thing to hold on to

Who’s a Christian??
Maybe should just ban them from having sex.
There are things God listed which the gentiles did and the Christians were led by the spirit not the law of not they’d have been another version of Pharisee and Sadducee’s which focus on the law.

The law of the world don’t govern Christians but the spirit. Even your church doctrines and Roman rules don’t govern Christians which makes us baptized it the spirit to be called sons of God.

Interesting Sunday topic
My final thought after going thru comments is everything should be done moderation...Selah

McLizbae:
You are only trying to win an argument here. See that you have subtly switch yourself to the tenant and not the landlord (as designated in this case). As the landlord you normally won't put in the agreement with your tenants, details of how they will use the rooms in the house. But you must agree that you won't be happy if anyone misuse your institution.
A lot of things are not written in ABC in the Bible. But with the spirit of God in you, you should know that that is sinful or not. The Bible did not made any statement about Yahoo Yahoo, money laundering, illicit drug running, gun and other arms running, stripping, pimping, and many more. But, a true Christian will understand and clearly decern that these are sinful.

Is yahoo yahoo a sin or a crime. Yahoo is a crime but stealing is a sin which is stated. I’m coming back for this discussion proper.
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SpencerForbes:
I just went to re read it and I saw homosexual, lesbians and beastiality nothing having sex with other parts and exploring. Na this una rules Dey make deeper life brothers no Dey marry deeper life sister. Sex was meant to be enjoyed and if you have the consent of your partner, then you’re good to go. Only exception is homos and lesbians.
Shalom
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The word "lasciviousness" is there.

And it is defined as
"Lasciviousness is a term for sexual desire and behavior that is considered excessive, lustful, and often crude or offensive. It can manifest as a lack of sexual restraint, leading to actions and desires that are lewd, indecent, or obscene. The word is derived from the Latin "lascivus," meaning "lustful," and is often associated with debauchery and lack of moral discipline" Google

Lmaoooo even with the pictures?

I rest my case

https://www.historyextra.com/period/general-history/history-feral-children-mowgli-wild-raised-wolves/

Dtruthspeaker:
I do not believe this reports. Nature and history always repeat themselves and their acts are always universal. So, you and I and our village people must know and have 1 or 2 people to corroborate this phenomenon

SpencerForbes:
Who’s a Christian??
Maybe should just ban them from having sex.
There are things God listed which the gentiles did and the Christians were led by the spirit not the law of not they’d have been another version of Pharisee and Sadducee’s which focus on the law.

The law of the world don’t govern Christians but the spirit. Even your church doctrines and Roman rules don’t govern Christians which makes us baptized it the spirit to be called sons of God.

As I said before the Bible points out that we all know what things are right and acceptable as different from the things which are wrong. And has listed them all out putting them all on the right and left.

And the Bible is The Law that governs Christians. And all these things that I have said are gotten from the bible as you yourself have seen.

So this is just you wailing because you are shocked that God has covered all these things you would have called grey areas in the bible.

So, deal with it man as there is nothing you can do change it. God's Word is always greater and always lasting more than man.

Lols... Just like it is not in the Bible that anal sex is sexual immorality, it is not also stated in the blibe that Yahoo Yahoo is stealing. BTW, it is not stealing when someone actually gives his/her dollar to the gboy 🤷‍♂️

SpencerForbes:
Is yahoo yahoo a sin or a crime. Yahoo is a crime but stealing is a sin which is stated. I’m coming back for this discussion proper.
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dollypi:
Lmaoooo even with the pictures?

I rest my case

https://www.historyextra.com/period/general-history/history-feral-children-mowgli-wild-raised-wolves/

Is that not the same way children who have been thrown out or sold into slavery also look?

They need a better evidence to prove this phenomenon