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US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by FreeStuffsNG(op): 1:01pm On Oct 23, 2025
US national debt surpasses a record $38 trillion
The figure amounts to roughly $111,000 of debt for every person in the US, think tank says.



The United States’ national debt has topped $38 trillion, as the gap between government spending and revenues in the world’s largest economy expands at a rapid pace.

The US Department of the Treasury included the staggering figure in its latest report on the nation’s finances, with the debt standing at $38,019,813 as of Tuesday.

The figure amounts to roughly $111,000 of debt for every person in the US, and is equivalent to the value of the economies of China, India, Japan, Germany and the United Kingdom combined, according to the Peter G Peterson Foundation, a Washington, DC-based think tank.

The milestone comes a little over two months after debt in the US surpassed $37 trillion in mid-August. The debt stood at $36 trillion in November 2024, and $35 trillion that July.

Michael A Peterson, CEO of the Peter G Peterson Foundation, said US lawmakers were failing to live up to their “basic fiscal duties”.

“Adding trillion after trillion to the debt and budgeting-by-crisis is no way for a great nation like America to run its finances,” Peterson said in a statement.

“Instead of letting the debt clock tick higher and higher, lawmakers should take advantage of the many responsible reforms that would put our nation on a stronger path for the future.”

In May, Moody’s ratings downgraded the US government’s credit rating from Aaa to Aa1, citing the failure of successive administrations to “reverse the trend of large annual fiscal deficits and growing interest costs”.

The move followed similar downgrades by rating agencies Fitch and Standard & Poor’s in 2011 and 2023, respectively.

While there is debate among economists about how much debt the US can take on before triggering a financial crisis, there is widespread agreement that the current trajectory is unsustainable.

In a 2023 analysis, economists at the Penn Wharton Budget Model estimated that financial markets would not tolerate US debt levels above 200 percent of gross domestic product (GDP).

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the debt could reach 200 percent of GDP by 2047, in part due to sweeping tax cuts included in US President Donald Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill Act.
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2025/10/23/us-national-debt-surpasses-a-record-38-trillion

Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by FreeStuffsNG(op): 1:01pm On Oct 23, 2025
The US Department of the Treasury included the staggering figure in its latest report on the nation’s finances, with the debt standing at $38,019,813 as of Tuesday.

The figure amounts to roughly $111,000 of debt for every person in the US, and is equivalent to the value of the economies of China, India, Japan, Germany and the United Kingdom combined, according to the Peter G Peterson Foundation, a Washington, DC-based think tank.

The milestone comes a little over two months after debt in the US surpassed $37 trillion in mid-August. The debt stood at $36 trillion in November 2024, and $35 trillion that July.

United States of Gbese
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by CodeTemplarr: 1:11pm On Oct 23, 2025
Welfarism and big man want to finish them. All the advantages they used to have that made them global powerhouse is fast eroding. Automobile manufacturing. Arms, AI, Computer making.
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by nairalanda1(m): 1:18pm On Oct 23, 2025
USA is also productive, and is also an industrial nation

Nigeria is not productive, and is a resource dependent mess

Make we stop using statistics to feel good about ourselves. Nigeria must stop running sharing economy
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by FreeStuffsNG(op): 1:51pm On Oct 23, 2025
nairalanda1:
USA is also productive, and is also an industrial nation

Nigeria is not productive, and is a resource dependent mess

Make we stop using statistics to feel good about ourselves. Nigeria must stop running sharing economy
It's obvious that you are confused with those economic terms.

This is why education is good and it's not a scam. USA has been minting dollars and selling debts at a pace that human history has never recorded and you cannot decipher it.

US , under Trump, is a dying empire!
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by SIRTee15: 2:09pm On Oct 23, 2025
This is what Trump wants to reverse by bringing manufacturing back but it's just too late. This is what Obama should have done instead on promoting homosexuality or Bush instead of fighting needless wars.

The decision by Western govt to send factories to China in the 1990s and 2000s will forever be the most foolish and most destructive policy ever made by any human government in history.

That action is the bane of all problems facing western countries right now. In the name of some fictitious climate change, they were fooled into closing their factories with the hope service industry will be sufficient to build a nation. They were wrong, very wrong.

Now they are faced with a hyperenergetic and crazily competitive China whose main goal is to completely control the global manufacturing value chain from top to
bottom.

The West can't compete with China. That's the truth. It's a game over and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

China is about to take over the global car industry with their cheap but efficient electric cars. Once they succeed, that will lead to the decimation of the European motor industry.

Once China have a solid grip on semiconductor and airplane manufacturing, the doors of the last manufacturing in the west will shut down.

Europe is on its way to be next south america- nations filled with wealthy and working class with very tiny middle class.

America won't go down easily, they will likely choose war to determine their fate.
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by BlackViper: 2:21pm On Oct 23, 2025
Most of the debt was acquired under Biden and the Democrat controlled Congress when a lot of money was printed needlessly.

FreeStuffsNG:
It's obvious that you are confused with those economic terms.

This is why education is good and it's not a scam. USA has been minting dollars and selling debts at a pace that human history has never recorded and you cannot decipher it.

US , under Trump, is a dying empire!

Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by FreeStuffsNG(op): 2:29pm On Oct 23, 2025
BlackViper:
Most of the debt was acquired under Biden when a lot of money was printed needlessly.
The move followed similar downgrades by rating agencies Fitch and Standard & Poor’s in 2011 and 2023, respectively.

In less than 1 year in office, Trump raised it by a whopping $2 trillion and Biden, as pitiable as his time in office was, inherited trillions of debt ballooned by same Trump and covid 19 during his first term in office.

There's something fundamentally wrong and it probably predates even Trump’s first term.

Yet in the midst of this, Trump still keep sending weapons to its middle east proxy Israel to continue the genocide in Gaza. Smh
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by BlackViper: 2:32pm On Oct 23, 2025
You're either ignorant or dishonest. I'm trying to figure out which is which.

The Democrats have currently shut down the government because Trump won't allow them to pad the Federal budget with all kinds of wasteful benefits for undocumented immigrants who they want to fast track into citizenship so they can benefit from the votes of these undocumented immigrants.

All the massive and reckless social benefit spending under the Biden and Obama regimes is responsible for America's current debt deficit and they want it to continue for purely selfish reasons

FreeStuffsNG:
The move followed similar downgrades by rating agencies Fitch and Standard & Poor’s in 2011 and 2023, respectively.

In less than 1 year in office, Trump raised it by a whopping $2 trillion and Biden, as pitiable as his time in office was, inherited trillions of debt ballooned by same Trump during his first term in office.

There's something fundamentally wrong and it probably predates even Trump’s first term.

Yet in the midst of this, Trump still keep sending weapons to its middle east proxy Israel to continue the genocide in Gaza. Smh
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by nairalanda1(m): 2:34pm On Oct 23, 2025
FreeStuffsNG:
It's obvious that you are confused with those economic terms.

This is why education is good and it's not a scam. USA has been minting dollars and selling debts at a pace that human history has never recorded and you cannot decipher it.

US , under Trump, is a dying empire!
As is Nigeria under tinubu.

You Nigerians refuse to vote for a leader who will make us industrial and developed, and innovative. You want someone to share the money.

Anyway, like tinubu, like obi, like buhari, like gej supporters, even obj supporters. Sharing money at nigeria's expense

Good afternoo.
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by nairalanda1(m):
SIRTee15:
This is what Trump wants to reverse by bringing manufacturing back but it's just too late. This is what Obama should have done instead on promoting homosexuality or Bush instead of fighting needless wars.

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Manufacturing won't come back to the USA...largely because US companies compete globally.

As an example, Trump (rightly,by the way) stood up for workers at the Carrier factory in the USA In 2016 when their jobs were under threat. Good deed...but as one commentator pointed out, the fact is, companies Carrier is competing with make their products abroad, and then ship them to the US...at a cheaper price than Carrier airconditioners made in the USA.

(That's why the world's leaders in TV sets are from China. Cheaper labor costs).

Making things in US means observing a lot of rules, and regulations, and also paying a higher wage than you would for the same job in say china.

(I mean, for example, during a strike by UPS workers in the USA...in the late 90's...CNN interviewed a young UPS worker in thailand who was being paid 600 dollars a month. Pay that to a US worker for UPS, and the US govt would come down heavily on the company).

Maybe Americans should be ready to pay more for US goods, if Trump brings all manufacturing back to the USA...but as you can see in Nigeria, massive increases in prices of anything, means protests and loss of votes.

(That is also why USA tolerates illegal immigrants working in the farming sector...they will pick crops for less than a USA worker..food then costs less than it would...).

Another problem is automation. In 1980, US Steel, the USA's largest steel producer, produced the same amount of steel as it did in 1970...with ten thousand fewerworkers. DIfference...automation.

Many jobs like making cars, etc...that needed more people 40-60 years ago now need less than 2 people. Automation. And it is about to get worse...even.

The USA can't bring back jobs because no American is going to pay higher for...again a TV set made in the USA...when he can get china made that DOES THE SAME THING .as the us tv set...at a cheaper price.

That is why if you are a US citizen, and under 18, study computing, or go into the service industry or maybe do some farming....the factory jobs are not coming back. This is not the 1950's, when China was even far behind Nigeria self.

MODIFED

Back in the year 2000, some Americans were outraged that a factory that was making footballs in a SE asian country...was paying its workers 25 dollars a month. It had to be explained that was like...a king's ransom in that country. Improved logistics means manufacturing would be outsourced overseas to keep prices low in the US...for most consumer goods.
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by FreeStuffsNG(op):
BlackViper:
You're either ignorant or dishonest. I'm trying to figure out which is which.

deficit and they want it to continue for purely selfish reasons
If you devote the time you use to insult people to getting real education, you will benefit greatly. You are completely ignorant about national debt in relation to deficit/surplus.

Below is the history of their national debt and surplus.
Obama who came right in the middle of global meltdown crash and ruled for 8 years added $9 trillion while Trump, who inherited a recovered US economy in terms of deficit from Obama era , ruled for 4 years added almost same amount of a whopping $7 trillion!

On deficit, USA, reached its worst deficit under same Trump. For 4 years, he was practically borrowing , adding almost zilch to their economy and completely reversed all the recovery Obama made!

And in just few months and less than 1 year, he has added $2 trillion to the debt he inherited. His results are showing that he is clueless on how to run an economy and looks like he has a PhD on Debt Ballooning & US National Economic Sinking

Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by BlackViper: 3:06pm On Oct 23, 2025
It would do you a world of good if you went back to school and asked for a refund of whatever your parents wasted on your education because it clearly hasn't done you any good.

I didn't even say anything that controversial or difficult to comprehend.

FreeStuffsNG:
If you devote the time you use to insult people to getting real education, you will benefit greatly. You are completely ignorant about national debt in relation to deficit/surplus.

Below is the history of their national debt and surplus.
Obama who came right in the middle of crash and ruled for 8 years added $9 trillion while Trump who ruled for 4 years added almost same amount of a whopping $7 trillion!
On deficit, USA, reached its worst deficit under same Trump. For 4 years, he was practically borrowing and adding almost zilch to their economy!

And in just few months and less than 1 year, he has added $2 trillion to the debt he inherited.

Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by fredoooooo: 3:06pm On Oct 23, 2025
Okay.. na Tinubu cause am too.. according to them from the ..... Upper iweka ...M..... Man
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by Wealthoptulent(m): 3:06pm On Oct 23, 2025
where the llluppeees thinking na ONLY 0ja in DEBTS?

Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by Lanretoye(m): 3:06pm On Oct 23, 2025
Since it is their trump that is borrowing it,there is no problem even though Americans are not in support of his government but our Nigerian brothers have so much joy in his administration
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by Angelfrost(m): 3:06pm On Oct 23, 2025
Elon Musk and just a couple of their "numerous" Billionaires can effortlessly clear that debt within 5 years. tongue


As long as their currency remains the universal trading standard issue, and the debt is measured in that currency... Technically, they are cruising.

Unlike 3rd world nations owing Billions in that same American currency while their own currency is weak.
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by FarahAideed: 3:07pm On Oct 23, 2025
Most of the debt is actually internal debt and not the type of Debt Tinubu govt owes ..the US does not go around borrowing from countries like APC govt does ... most of it are just IOUs to U.S. banks, pension funds, insurance companies, and even the Social Security Trust Fund that hold Treasury bonds.

For example the 780bn US owes China is Treasury bonds the Chinese bought to stabilize their local currency...dont allow any APC data boy mislead that the Americans are owing more than Tinubu 😂😂😂
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by tiswell(m): 3:07pm On Oct 23, 2025
When you are big,you are big


Us dollars is still at he center of world currency and business exchange
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by Skydivine: 3:07pm On Oct 23, 2025
Just one cough from the President and the debt will be wiped out. They are just paying to show maturity.
I love the USA.
Think about this, if you claim they don’t have money , how were they able to bail out Argentina with over $40b last week?
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by nairalanda1(m): 3:11pm On Oct 23, 2025
Kind of funny to see people shouting US debt is this big, as if that absolves Nigerian debt

Look, NIgeria relies on oil. If oil becomes useless, tomorrow, we would be in a state of severe anarchy.

USA, should things go wrong, has the means and skills to pull itself up and out of trobule. Also, they control the world economy. Same thing with China, and even to some extent Russia.

I have been here shouting that Nigeria has to industralize and export manufactured goods and services, not export oil, minerals, and so forth...whose prices are controlled in New York, London and Paris. But saying the above means you either support tinubu, or you are an obident, or you are putting cart before horse, or whatever.

The truth is, until we do what the big nations do, and focus on innovation and science as the drivers of our economy, and stop behaving as if selling resources and sharing the money is the way to be rich....it is how we got into debt and poverty self...then we will reach a point where we will be in control. Maybe we can even talk about dividing the country peacefully. But Nigerians self...
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by Moony45: 3:12pm On Oct 23, 2025
Your president (Tinubu) is trying to set us on a good course but Obi people will never allow us rest with their myopic thoughts.
SIRTee15:
This is what Trump wants to reverse by bringing manufacturing back but it's just too late. This is what Obama should have done instead on promoting homosexuality or Bush instead of fighting needless wars.

The decision by Western govt to send factories to China in the 1990s and 2000s will forever be the most foolish and most destructive policy ever made by any human government in history.

That action is the bane of all problems facing western countries right now. In the name of some fictitious climate change, they were fooled into closing their factories with the hope service industry will be sufficient to build a nation. They were wrong, very wrong.

Now they are faced with a hyperenergetic and crazily competitive China whose main goal is to completely control the global manufacturing value chain from top to
bottom.

The West can't compete with China. That's the truth. It's a game over and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

China is about to take over the global car industry with their cheap but efficient electric cars. Once they succeed, that will lead to the decimation of the European motor industry.

Once China have a solid grip on semiconductor and airplane manufacturing, the doors of the last manufacturing in the west will shut down.

Europe is on its way to be next south america- nations filled with wealthy and working class with very tiny middle class.

America won't go down easily, they will likely choose war to determine their fate.
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by Reference(m): 3:12pm On Oct 23, 2025
Heading for total financial ruin.
And will take down many countries when the economy eventually collapses.
Gold must be having a laugh with this news.
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by SpaceX: 3:15pm On Oct 23, 2025
Tinubonomics can help them out, his policies at so called "top-notch"
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by Izuchukwu70: 3:15pm On Oct 23, 2025
SIRTee15:
This is what Trump wants to reverse by bringing manufacturing back but it's just too late. This is what Obama should have done instead on promoting homosexuality or Bush instead of fighting needless wars.

The decision by Western govt to send factories to China in the 1990s and 2000s will forever be the most foolish and most destructive policy ever made by any human government in history.

That action is the bane of all problems facing western countries right now. In the name of some fictitious climate change, they were fooled into closing their factories with the hope service industry will be sufficient to build a nation. They were wrong, very wrong.

Now they are faced with a hyperenergetic and crazily competitive China whose main goal is to completely control the global manufacturing value chain from top to
bottom.

The West can't compete with China. That's the truth. It's a game over and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

China is about to take over the global car industry with their cheap but efficient electric cars. Once they succeed, that will lead to the decimation of the European motor industry.

Once China have a solid grip on semiconductor and airplane manufacturing, the doors of the last manufacturing in the west will shut down.

Europe is on its way to be next south america- nations filled with wealthy and working class with very tiny middle class.

America won't go down easily, they will likely choose war to determine their fate.
Obama took them out of recession that Bush caused and improved the economy just like Bill Clinton. But you guys can read now? Go and do research about it. Trump don't know anything about governance and economy. He's from a rich home. Just like his Son now that he's a millionaire at 19 , tomorrow people will say he's a good business man but forgetting he did insider trading which is illegal. But White people with connections get away with so much illegality.
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by Commentor: 3:17pm On Oct 23, 2025
Don't worry, Cheeto is fixing it.

Let him reward himself with 230 million dollars for being "wrongly persecuted" for the 2020 election that he lost.

After that, he can help the economy.
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by muyico(m): 3:17pm On Oct 23, 2025
So Nigeria?? We're still baby in debt, how much is ours debts self??
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by FarahAideed: 3:18pm On Oct 23, 2025
muyico:
So Nigeria?? We're still baby in debt, how much is ours debts self??
It's not the same kind of debt , most 80 perct of US debt is just internal balance of payments mechanics , they didn't borrow from any country
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by Commentor: 3:19pm On Oct 23, 2025
FarahAideed:
Most of the debt is actually internal debt and not the type of Debt Tinubu govt owes ..the US does not go around borrowing from countries like APC govt does ... most of it are just IOUs to U.S. banks, pension funds, insurance companies, and even the Social Security Trust Fund that hold Treasury bonds.

For example the 780bn US owes China is Treasury bonds the Chinese bought to stabilize their local currency...dont allow any APC data boy mislead that the Americans are owing more than Tinubu 😂😂😂
Does that stop the government from owing?

Does it matter whether you owe your friend or a bank?
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by bid4rich(m): 3:20pm On Oct 23, 2025
Oya... Tinubu, lets roll. cheesy

Nigeria no dey carry last Oooo

But no go China again sha... e get why cheesy
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by heniford2: 3:20pm On Oct 23, 2025
This is very very bad for them
Re: US National Debt Surpasses A Record $38 Trillion by Commentor: 3:20pm On Oct 23, 2025
Skydivine:
Just one cough from the President and the debt will be wiped out. They are just paying to show maturity.
I love the USA.
Think about this, if you claim they don’t have money , how were they able to bail out Argentina with over $40b last week?
Borrow pose.

While the American farmers are crying.
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