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Interesting that one was posted just before this.

Anyways, I was surprised to see a thread I made a long time ago resurface, and then I look at it and found it was just arguements and justifications. When it comes to these arguments, two statements come to mind.
The first is from Imām Mālik (رحمه الله), who said:
> “Whenever a man comes to us more skilled in argument than another, should we then abandon what Jibrīl brought to Muḥammad ﷺ because of his debating skill?”
Like really think about that.

And the second is from Imām al-Shāfiʿī (رحمه الله):
> “Whenever I argued with an ignorant person, he defeated me; but when I debated with a scholar, I defeated him.”
Meaning: You can’t win with ignorance, because the ignorant don’t seek truth. And they come up with all kinds of falsehoods to justify their points. This is not new, Allah said:
“And those who disbelieve argue with falsehood, to refute therewith the truth. And they treat My Ayāt, and that with which they are warned, as jest.”
— [Sūrat al-Kahf, 18:56]
The truth is there’s no real point in trying to “win” an argument. Because most of the time, people aren’t searching for truth — they’re just inflating their ego.
And when two desires clash, there’s no agreement. Islam came with truth, and the truth is meant to lead you toward what benefits you. After that, it’s your choice whether to accept it or turn away.
Allah said:
“Whoever does righteous good deed, it is for (the benefit of) his ownself; and whoever does evil, it is against his ownself; and your Lord is not at all unjust to (His) slaves.”
— [Sūrat Fuṣṣilat, 41:46]
If someone sincerely wants to know whether Islam is true, that’s a different matter, and you can speak to them, clarify, and invite them gently. But most arguments aren’t like that. You can tell from people’s words and tone that they’re not really looking for truth. Here’s the thing: when someone wants to reject something, it doesn’t matter if you bring them a hundred proofs — they’ll still find a reason to deny it. Likewise, when someone wants to justify something, they’ll always find an excuse for it. Allah said:
“And even if We had sent down unto them the angels, and the dead had spoken unto them, and We had gathered together all things before their very eyes, they would not have believed, unless Allāh willed; but most of them behave ignorantly.”
So at the end of the day, what are you trying to achieve? If you’re defending Islam, know that no statement of theirs will as much as brush it. And if you’re defending your ego, you follow the true religion with the greatest proofs & justifications, then that’s not what Islam came to teach. Allah created you for a purpose, and if you fulfill that purpose, you’ve succeeded.
When you reflect on the Qur’an, you see that Allah calls you toward goodness — to be aware of Him, to do deeds that please Him, to guard yourself from Shayṭān and his whispers, and to stay away from what leads to evil.
Allah says in Sūrat az-Zumar (39:9):
Is one who is obedient to Allah, prostrating himself or standing (in prayer) during the hours of the night, fearing the Hereafter and hoping for the Mercy of his Lord (like one who disbelieves)? Say: “Are those who know equal to those who know not?” It is only men of understanding who will remember

Allah describes a man who spends the night standing in prayer, prostrating before Him, fearing the Hereafter, and hoping for His mercy. Now think about that person — do you think he’ll give time to arguing about which religion is true or piling up proofs against others? No. His concern is with his own soul — his mistakes, his repentance, his fear of punishment and hope for forgiveness, his longing for Allah’s mercy.
If you know the history of the Prophets, then you know that this is simply history repeating itself. Like it’s said; History is simply people repeating the same mistake.

So when people start these arguments, the best thing to do is to simply ignore them. Hopefully, some will find benefit in this.
Was Salaam.

This is a very good message. Ignore them, including those that blaspheme.

You should tell your people on nairaland and outside NL to stop poke nosing into Christian's matter.

You can't be putting your mouth into Christian's matters and allow us to fold our hands watching you like what your Mallam Iropoju Yusuf had been doing for the past 30 years

you insulted the king of kings and lord of lords and reduce him to mere prophet that even his coming back is to break the cross, kill all the pigs and get married

what kind of insult is this? infact many years ago with so maany lies on Jesus and that the bible is corrupt.... which was a big lie

and that muhamed was mentioned in the bible

then i started reading aand reseaarching and found lies and lies

jesus was a muslim
the bible is corrupt
jesus is a mere prophet
jesus didnt die
calling Jesus ....isa
That Quaran was preserved
And so on

then we are now going to expose islam Allah and muhaamed.

shukraan

Shidda:
Interesting that one was posted just before this.

Anyways, I was surprised to see a thread I made a long time ago resurface, and then I look at it and found it was just arguements and justifications. When it comes to these arguments, two statements come to mind.
The first is from Imām Mālik (رحمه الله), who said:
> “Whenever a man comes to us more skilled in argument than another, should we then abandon what Jibrīl brought to Muḥammad ﷺ because of his debating skill?”
Like really think about that.

And the second is from Imām al-Shāfiʿī (رحمه الله):
> “Whenever I argued with an ignorant person, he defeated me; but when I debated with a scholar, I defeated him.”
Meaning: You can’t win with ignorance, because the ignorant don’t seek truth. And they come up with all kinds of falsehoods to justify their points. This is not new, Allah said:
“And those who disbelieve argue with falsehood, to refute therewith the truth. And they treat My Ayāt, and that with which they are warned, as jest.”
— [Sūrat al-Kahf, 18:56]
The truth is there’s no real point in trying to “win” an argument. Because most of the time, people aren’t searching for truth — they’re just inflating their ego.
And when two desires clash, there’s no agreement. Islam came with truth, and the truth is meant to lead you toward what benefits you. After that, it’s your choice whether to accept it or turn away.
Allah said:
“Whoever does righteous good deed, it is for (the benefit of) his ownself; and whoever does evil, it is against his ownself; and your Lord is not at all unjust to (His) slaves.”
— [Sūrat Fuṣṣilat, 41:46]
If someone sincerely wants to know whether Islam is true, that’s a different matter, and you can speak to them, clarify, and invite them gently. But most arguments aren’t like that. You can tell from people’s words and tone that they’re not really looking for truth. Here’s the thing: when someone wants to reject something, it doesn’t matter if you bring them a hundred proofs — they’ll still find a reason to deny it. Likewise, when someone wants to justify something, they’ll always find an excuse for it. Allah said:
“And even if We had sent down unto them the angels, and the dead had spoken unto them, and We had gathered together all things before their very eyes, they would not have believed, unless Allāh willed; but most of them behave ignorantly.”
So at the end of the day, what are you trying to achieve? If you’re defending Islam, know that no statement of theirs will as much as brush it. And if you’re defending your ego, you follow the true religion with the greatest proofs & justifications, then that’s not what Islam came to teach. Allah created you for a purpose, and if you fulfill that purpose, you’ve succeeded.
When you reflect on the Qur’an, you see that Allah calls you toward goodness — to be aware of Him, to do deeds that please Him, to guard yourself from Shayṭān and his whispers, and to stay away from what leads to evil.
Allah says in Sūrat az-Zumar (39:9):
Is one who is obedient to Allah, prostrating himself or standing (in prayer) during the hours of the night, fearing the Hereafter and hoping for the Mercy of his Lord (like one who disbelieves)? Say: “Are those who know equal to those who know not?” It is only men of understanding who will remember

Allah describes a man who spends the night standing in prayer, prostrating before Him, fearing the Hereafter, and hoping for His mercy. Now think about that person — do you think he’ll give time to arguing about which religion is true or piling up proofs against others? No. His concern is with his own soul — his mistakes, his repentance, his fear of punishment and hope for forgiveness, his longing for Allah’s mercy.
If you know the history of the Prophets, then you know that this is simply history repeating itself. Like it’s said; History is simply people repeating the same mistake.

So when people start these arguments, the best thing to do is to simply ignore them. Hopefully, some will find benefit in this.
Was Salaam.

The problem is that a Religion based on Taqqiyya usually cannot defend itself when questioned. They have three options
1. Submit to superior arguments
2. Feign Ignorance by keeping Quiet
3. Tell more lies to cover up previous lies

It seems you recommend option 2!

An educative and nice content, jazakallahukhairan.