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If you are in Nigeria and you have the money I will advise you take your children to a private university

sammirano2:
First class in any private uni is equivalent to 2.2 In a top Fed uni.

https://www.nairaland.com/7902421/degree-sale-sting-operation-exposes

You are right because even if public schools award a degree in six days, they are always the best and miles ahead. Go through the above link.

sammirano2:
First class in any private uni is equivalent to 2.2 In a top Fed uni.

nah you they go CROWN UNI OR CHIJIOKE UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY... TRY AFE BABALOLA UNI OR CONVENANT UNI... Etc

DeepSight:
Is it possible your particular company had a bias?

Also - Consider -

Is a University education all about the employment you can get thereafter.

Does it not also count as a life school from the point of view of being a microcosm of the larger society and to that end are Universities based on faith not limited.

ask around. what you want as an employer is people who come out of university with a baseline skill level and exposure. schools like covenant offer this which means you get employees who can hit the ground running rather than be handheld and retrained

if you are a supervisor in corporate you want your life to be as easy as possible. your average public uni grad does not even know how to use ms office properly. i now run a business on my own and do not pay corporate wages so i have to make do with your average public uni grad and believe me, it is frustrating

Is a University education all about the employment you can get thereafter.

the whole purpose of school is training for the rat race. more importantly, i am a graduate of a public uni and i have bitter repressed memories of the malicious, weaponized incompetence of public school lecturers. the causal incompetence where they misplace results, where they proudly fail entire sets, and sexually harass students with impunity.


talk to any of your public uni classmates who went abroad for a masters. exposure to a working academic system leaves them with nothing but contempt for most of the lecturers they encountered back in school

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN9H4W-wfmyZKDEBKUa4_seMe89qq1YDn

this is different from his normal fare, but largely accuarte

unfortunately, nigerians have been so messed up that they think surviving hardship rather than thriving as individuals is something to celebrate

duduade:
When you talk about connections .
Private University

When you talk about passing through the university and the university passing through you .. federal university

Pure rubbish. Private universities are miles ahead from public ones.. there is no competition here

abc115:
Federal Universities better by far with resources, engagement and connections

And outdated curriculum? Omo education is not supposed to be a do or die affair. Federal schools have turned it as such. Until you travel out and also study, you will not know how damaged federal universities are.

GloriousGbola:
tell that to corporate HR recruiters

corporate nigeria has preference for private uni grads esp convenant

also the nonsense that public uni lecturers pull, where they say a is for God, B is for me and dash out Ds is not acceptable

mass failure of your course is a mark of your INCOMPETENCE as a lecturer, if you are unable to actually teach students

This is not true, most corporate recruiters themselves are graduates of Federal institutions and Yes top Federal Universities still command the highest respect in the corporate world.

However the new pattern is to focus on the candidate first before his or her education, another determinant is the performance trend of recruits from different institutions.

I recruit all the time, so i know this.

GloriousGbola:
ask around. what you want as an employer is people who come out of university with a baseline skill level and exposure. schools like covenant offer this which means you get employees who can hit the ground running rather than be handheld and retrained

if you are a supervisor in corporate you want your life to be as easy as possible. your average public uni grad does not even know how to use ms office properly. i now run a business on my own and do not pay corporate wages so i have to make do with your average public uni grad and believe me, it is frustrating




the whole purpose of school is training for the rat race. more importantly, i am a graduate of a public uni and i have bitter repressed memories of the malicious, weaponized incompetence of public school lecturers. the causal incompetence where they misplace results, where they proudly fail entire sets, and sexually harass students with impunity.


talk to any of your public uni classmates who went abroad for a masters. exposure to a working academic system leaves them with nothing but contempt for most of the lecturers they encountered back in school

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN9H4W-wfmyZKDEBKUa4_seMe89qq1YDn

this is different from his normal fare, but largely accuarte

unfortunately, nigerians have been so messed up that they think surviving hardship rather than thriving as individuals is something to celebrate

I understand. Anyway I went to Federal University in Nigeria and till today decades later our entire set still hold our lecturers and professors in high regard. In fact we revere them. Of course there were a few rogues too, but pretty few. Most were distinguished, high calibre thinkers.

Also we more than hit the ground running in the best law firms at home and abroad so much so that within five to six years many of us had risen to management positions in multinationals.

sammirano2:
First class in any private uni is equivalent to 2.2 In a top Fed uni.

This is the psyop they fed you to believe hook line and sinker there was something special about public universities. If lecturers in public univetsities actually did their job, you will not make this statement. Imagine having this mentality and attending a university abroad, you will see how flawed this reasoning is.

DeepSight:
I understand. Anyway I went to Federal University in Nigeria and till today decades later our entire set still hold our lecturers and professors in high regard. In fact we revere them. Of course there were a few rogues too, but pretty few. Most were distinguished, high calibre thinkers.

Also we more than hit the ground running in the best law firms at home and abroad so much so that within five to six years many of us had risen to management positions in multinationals.

That made life difficult for you as students. Edication is not violence or agidi. Its not a master servant relationship public universities made it out to be

PepeXKermit:
That made life difficult for you as students. Edication is not violence or agidi. Its not a master servant relationship public universities made it out to be

How do you mean?
Most of us didn't get any unnecessary difficulties from lecturers.

Although as I said there were a few rogues who particularly harrassed girls.

PepeXKermit:
This is the psyop they fed you to believe hook line and sinker there was something special about public universities. If lecturers in public univetsities actually did their job, you will not make this statement. Imagine having this mentality and attending a university abroad, you will see how flawed this reasoning is.

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Anyway back in my time there weren't really many private universities around.

DeepSight:
I understand. Anyway I went to Federal University in Nigeria and till today decades later our entire set still hold our lecturers and professors in high regard. In fact we revere them. Of course there were a few rogues too, but pretty few. Most were distinguished, high calibre thinkers.

Also we more than hit the ground running in the best law firms at home and abroad so much so that within five to six years many of us had risen to management positions in multinationals.

at that point, public unis were the only game in town and federal unis were the pick of the litter. the landscape has changed now and the leadership of 1st generation federal universities in the job market is no longer a given

the litmus test is simple - if you have the means would you send your child to a public or private university?

PepeXKermit:
That made life difficult for you as students. Edication is not violence or agidi. Its not a master servant relationship public universities made it out to be

just a couple of years ago, a friend's son was in unilag in 100l and talking about a lecturer who was bragging that the highest score in his course would be a D. i cannot describe the fury i felt. in 2021, university lecturers are still pulling this fail students with pride nonsense.

Helinuse:
You obviously don’t know what a university is.

For you to think that some HR somewhere will overlook a UI, UNN, ABU, OAU graduate for a covenant university, means that you don’t even know what the corporate world is.

Except if you are talking about about those LinkedIn “corporate” one apartment company in Lekki or Ikeja who are referring to themselves as “startups” simply because they have some money from their parent to spend.

Go and tell Shell, Chevron, UAC, or Professors Abroad seeking for PhD Students, that you are from covenant and watch them take you for a joke.

You are actually the joke here. For you to mention that last paragraph it means you dont know what you are saying. For example, nobody abroad actually cares about what school you went as a nigerian in nigeria because they all have a collective mindset of what the education system is in nigeria. They know its pure trash. There is no IVY type leauge school in nigeria unlike Egypt and South Africa, what they focus on is if your school is accredited and if you had a good grade. If you like think say ur 2,2 for UI na big deal over a 2.1 in covenant for admission slot.

In what terms is a federal university better? Quality of education? You have 300 people attending a class in federal compared to 30 -50 people in a class in private? Who learns better in such conditions? Airconditioned well ventilated classes in private compared to public, law and order in private compared to public, your hostel is 2 - 3 max in an AC room and living room with personal bathroom and kitchen as compared to a dilapitated hostel where toilet is public and parts of the hostel is decaying? Tell me who amoongst the two has the best quality of education? Lets stop deceiving ourselves and tell ourselves the truth when we have to.

One thing i noticed is that many people because they cannot afford private education, they put down others going there, saying they dont get the best of both worlds and are not going to be prepared for the real world. Oga, education no be violence. Being outside the comfort zone of your house without the guidiance of your parent, is preparation enough for the real world... its not supposed to be fight, there are some lifestyles you dont need to get exposed to as a human being . Suffering is not a virtue. Whatever you think you get in education in a public school both in the classroom and out of the classroom, private university students get better in the classroom and a different form to yours outside the classroom, this is why we have something called class in the society, and you wont psyop people to believe that as a public school student, you are better off with your standard of public education and more prepared for the world. Its a big lie

GloriousGbola:
at that point, public unis were the only game in town and federal unis were the pick of the litter. the landscape has changed now and the leadership of 1st generation federal universities in the job market is no longer a given

the litmus test is simple - if you have the means would you send your child to a public or private university?

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I get you.

just a couple of years ago, a friend's son was in unilag in 100l and talking about a lecturer who was bragging that the highest score in his course would be a D. i cannot describe the fury i felt. in 2021, university lecturers are still pulling this fail students with pride nonsense.

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Slickening mentality.

dahmie2013:
So you're still living in a fools paradise. Go to the labour market and let's see how your "genius" 2:2 graduate gets a Job.

You get jobs faster don't make your results better. Besides, when it comes to government jobs, minus connection, federal schools are better favoured.

GloriousGbola:
at that point, public unis were the only game in town and federal unis were the pick of the litter. the landscape has changed now and the leadership of 1st generation federal universities in the job market is no longer a given

the litmus test is simple - if you have the means would you send your child to a public or private university?




just a couple of years ago, a friend's son was in unilag in 100l and talking about a lecturer who was bragging that the highest score in his course would be a D. i cannot describe the fury i felt. in 2021, university lecturers are still pulling this fail students with pride nonsense.

I noticed one reason these public university folks try to pull private uni folks down is because of internalized jealousy.. subconsciously, they are and will never admit it because they dont even know they are jealous. Its a shame what tetiary institution has turned to in nigeria. Imagine many people who dont attend classes and still pass either bribing their way or offering sex. Try this in private or even abroad, this is a no no and shpuld not be tplerated anywhere

DeepSight:
How do you mean?
Most of us didn't get any unnecessary difficulties from lecturers.

Although as I said there were a few rogues who particularly harrassed girls.

The education you gor collectively, both in the classroom and out the classroom is not better than private universities. Especially the established ones

PepeXKermit:
You are actually tge joke here. For you to mention that last patagraph it means you dont know what you are saying. For example, nobody abroad actually cares about what school you went as a nigerian in nigeria because they all have a collective mindset of what the education systrm is in nigeria. They know irs pure trash. What they focus on is of ypur school is accredired and if you had a good grade. Ifypu like thonk say ur 2,2 for UI na big deal over a 2.1 in covenant for admission slot.

In what terms is a federal university better? Quality of education? You have 300 people attending a class in federal than 30 -50 people in a class in private? Who learns better? Airconditioned well ventilated classes in private compared to public, lae and order in private compared to public, your hostel is 2 - 3 max in an AC room and parlor with personal bathroom and kitchen as compared to a dilapitated hostel where toilet is publuc and parts of the hostel is decaying? Tell me who amoongst the two has the best quality of education? Lets stop deceiving ourselves and tell ourselves the truth when we have to.

One thing i notoced is that many people because they cannot afford private education, the put down othets going there, saying they dont get the best of both worlds and are not going to be prepared for the real world. Oga, education no be violence. Being outside the comfort zone of your house without the guidisnce of your parent, is preparation for the real world enough... its not supposed to be fight, there are some lifestyles ypu dont need to get exposed to as a human being . Suffering is not a virtue. Whatever you think you get in education in a public school both in the classroom and out of the classroom, private university students get better in the classroom and a different form of yours outside the classroom, this is why we have something called class in the society, and you wont psyop people to belueve that as a public school student, you are better off with your standard of public education and more prepared for the world. Its a big lie

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I think standards have fallen in the public sector obviously. When I was there, our lecture halls were fully air conditioned, library, top notch (and I strongly doubt private universities have a comparable library up till today), hostels were not bad at all, though I never stayed there, and there were really classy restaurants about, comparable to some upscale ones in town.

Most importantly the pedigree of the academic staff was spectacular. To give an example, Professor Yemi Osinbajo was just one of an all star cast of lecturers in those days. And cerebral as he is, he was by no means special among them. There were absolute geniuses too many to count. Not just intellectually but with robust character.

UzorIyke:
For me, it depends on the private university, because some private universities is equivalent to federal university even more than, you can't compare covenant university to Umudike in Abia State, UNIPORT or any federal university in the northern part.

Don't say what you don't know. Covenant can't stand anywhere close to ABU. At least I know ABU very well.

PepeXKermit:
The education you gor collectively, both in the classroom and out the classroom is not better than private universities. Especially the established ones

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I particularly doubt the out of the classroom aspect when it comes to faith based universities because they offer a very narrow view of life on account of the question of limitation by religion.

GloriousGbola:
Look at this one

You know nothing

I worked in an oil and gas company for 15 years. When we recruited GTs in the 2010s they were 90% cu grads.

Do you actually have any working experience outside of being a political shill?

You sound like the kind of mentally battered suffer head who will celebrate the serial sexual harrassers who are unable to teach anything other then resilience rather than competence

The very fact that you employed based on “University” name tells very much what you mean by “oil and gas company.”

Just any gathering of smugs with connections to a manager in NNPC or a retired shell engineer, refers to themselves as oil company.

See the mouth.

DeepSight:
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I think standards have fallen in the public sector obviously. When I was there, our lecture halls were fully air conditioned, library, top notch (and I strongly doubt private universities have a comparable library up till today), hostels were not bad at all, though I never stayed there, and there were really classy restaurants about, comparable to some upscale ones in town.

Most importantly the pedigree of the academic staff was spectacular. To give an example, Professor Yemi Osinbajo was just one of all all star cast of lecturers in those days. And cerebral as he is, he was by no means special among them. There were absolute geniuses too many to count. Not just intellectually but with robust character.

Then you must know Professor Agbede....he practically built Babcock University's law programme. Public universities have a lot of problems with accountability of the personnel, which impacts the learning process of the students. No doubt we have excellent and some vastly experienced personnel in the public universities. But truth be told it's like comparing public primary and secondary schools with the private primary and secondary schools.... The difference is vast and multidimensional.

The government is NOT ready to fund education. The private cannot fund like the government but they have far better management of the available resources.

The real currency here is the time of the learners. The public universities are more likely to waste your time which is your life. That you cannot buy back.

A lot of people's lives have been totally ruined by the public university systems. I can go on and on. From imposition of courses to overcrowded classrooms and outright unconducive learning environments.... With widespread poverty pervading the atmosphere coupled with the so-called yahoo boiz and gals strutting about the institution.

Most private universities are levellers. No cars, eat same food, no extravagance, morals still taught, courtesy taught, and above all your time is NOT wasted. ...which is your life!

The conversation is neither here nor there, as both have outfits which engage in sharp practices

festacman:
Private universities offers nothing wonderful apart from big tuition that most Nigerians use to differentiate themselves class-wise like "I better pass my neighbour" mentality.

Most painful thing is that private universities have made young Nigerians docile by discouraging the spirit of aluta that functional SUG plant in students as they pass through the University. Now, to protest against government policies na hard work.

Ah baba, you really spot that behavioral damage.

These kids abi na adults are so afraid of even doing the right thing. They need to call mummy or daddy to ask if it's OK. Private Uni is low key destroying brave minds in the name of fancy education.

Angelindisguise:
That's what they used to deceive you right? Go and compete with a student from Covenant or Babcock

what do they know? Haven't I seen them? They are as dumb as Bleep. I know so many of them and I haven't seen any that is sound

DeepSight:
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I particularly doubt the out of the classroom aspect when it comes to faith based universities because they offer a very narrow view of life on account of the question of limitation by religion.

They offer one world of view, please tell me what world of view or view of the world does public schools intentionally offer students? Please tell me again, what is learning about?

Melagros:
COMRADES, you don't need ask such a question in Nigeria or Africa at large. I went to a public university, the rot is massive in public university

A first time truth from someone like you surely means the Angel who will blow the trumpet already has its tip in his mouth.

Long may this continue.
Perhaps, there is nobody that God cannot change.

PepeXKermit:
You are actually tge joke here. For you to mention that last patagraph it means you dont know what you are saying. For example, nobody abroad actually cares about what school you went as a nigerian in nigeria because they all have a collective mindset of what the education systrm is in nigeria. They know irs pure trash. What they focus on is of ypur school is accredired and if you had a good grade. Ifypu like thonk say ur 2,2 for UI na big deal over a 2.1 in covenant for admission slot.

In what terms is a federal university better? Quality of education? You have 300 people attending a class in federal than 30 -50 people in a class in private? Who learns better? Airconditioned well ventilated classes in private compared to public, lae and order in private compared to public, your hostel is 2 - 3 max in an AC room and parlor with personal bathroom and kitchen as compared to a dilapitated hostel where toilet is publuc and parts of the hostel is decaying? Tell me who amoongst the two has the best quality of education? Lets stop deceiving ourselves and tell ourselves the truth when we have to.

One thing i notoced is that many people because they cannot afford private education, the put down othets going there, saying they dont get the best of both worlds and are not going to be prepared for the real world. Oga, education no be violence. Being outside the comfort zone of your house without the guidisnce of your parent, is preparation for the real world enough... its not supposed to be fight, there are some lifestyles ypu dont need to get exposed to as a human being . Suffering is not a virtue. Whatever you think you get in education in a public school both in the classroom and out of the classroom, private university students get better in the classroom and a different form of yours outside the classroom, this is why we have something called class in the society, and you wont psyop people to belueve that as a public school student, you are better off with your standard of public education and more prepared for the world. Its a big lie

You came really prepared for them on this topic o.
This is a topic that more often than not expose the ignorance of Nigerians on various aspect of higher education in Nigeria.
On the student population you mentioned, a child of a friend studying Mass Comm in a state University told me they are over a thousand in her class! Yes, you read right. 1000.

Helinuse:
The very fact that you employed based on “University” name tells very much what you mean by “oil and gas company.”

Just any gathering of smugs with connections to a manager in NNPC or a retired shell engineer, refers to themselves as oil company.

See the mouth.

Oddly enough I currently consult for nnpc right now. You know nothing at all. Now go and face your lane and let the intellectuals talk. This is way above your limited bandwidth

I have work with internship students from Covenant and ABUAD and students from Public University (Fed and State University). I will tell you that they are not just intelligent they also smart.
The stress coming from public lecturer like sex harassment for mark.
Collecting bribe from student is just too much.
For Post Graduate study especially Federal University like Uniport that have some good institute and Africa center of Excellence are good places to study your post graduate.
Africa center of Excellence futo
Africa center of Excellence UNN etc.
How can lecturer tell a student that nobody can get an A in a course that's nonsense.
Cancel a student seminar or project without reading the work of the student that's nonsense.
ASUU go just they waste student time with their strike which I don't also blame them Welfare is very important in every organization.
As for my kids na topnotch Private University get am.

xoverx:
You get jobs faster don't make your results better. Besides, when it comes to government jobs, minus connection, federal schools are better favoured.

Yes, like there are so many government jobs available. Seems you're not thinking.