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MightySparrow:
1. Warning by killing.

So Mohammed was warning with sword
2. So Mohammed was a merciless messenger of a merciful allah?

Killing those who attempted to kill him in self defence is that a crime?

I know you are looking for a messiah to die for your sin. What later happened to Jesus they eventually killed him despite being gentle and kind on them Muhammad was bound to suffer the same fate. Cos they felt both message from the messengers (Jesus and Muhammad) contradict theirs.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 125)

"And if you punish [an enemy, O believers], punish with an equivalent of that with which you were harmed. But if you are patient - it is better for those who are patient."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 126)

haekymbahd:
Killing those who attempted to kill him in self defence is that a crime?

I know you are looking for a messiah to die for your sin. What later happened to Jesus they eventually killed him despite being gentle and kind on them Muhammad was bound to suffer the same fate. Cos they felt both message from the messengers (Jesus and Muhammad) contradict theirs.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 125)

"And if you punish [an enemy, O believers], punish with an equivalent of that with which you were harmed. But if you are patient - it is better for those who are patient."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 126)

Bring evidences of two of the wars by Mohammed where the people attacked him first.

Muhammad drew a distinction between Muslim and non-Muslim children and implied that it would be permissible to kill a child who has no prospect of accepting Islam:
The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to be a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside. (Sahih Muslim 4457)
After capturing Mecca, the prophet of Islam also ordered the execution of two “singing girls” who had mocked him in verse:
“…two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed…” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 819, Ibn Kathir v.3 p.403)

MightySparrow:
Bring evidences of two of the wars by Mohammed where the people attacked him first.

I want you to understand something I am someone who truly give utmost importance to the Quran and not hadith.The Quran shows who Allah truly is. I will quote from the Quran. Also I believe not all hadith are reliable some might have been corrupted but no doubt Quran is accepted by all.

First you posted some hadith but you have to know that hadith don't tell full story. If I tell you Muhammad fought in self defense and you bring hadith which talked about the fight and not what led to it that is not right.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 13)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:
 
"Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 39)

What I am driving at is that like the Quran the disbelievers in Muhammad cherry pick the war verses just like hadith but decide to not look deeper into the causes of such fight.

MightySparrow:
Muhammad drew a distinction between Muslim and non-Muslim children and implied that it would be permissible to kill a child who has no prospect of accepting Islam:
The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to be a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside. (Sahih Muslim 4457)

Let me explain this hadith to you. Have it in your mind that Muhammad fought in self defense I have referenced Quranic verse above.

In this hadith you could see it wasn't Muhammad that killed the boy but al-khidr. Muhammad was using am as an example to his followers. Al-khidr was with Moses during his time not Muhammad you know how many years difference from Moses to muhammad.

What Muhammad meant was that when muslims go to war against unbelievers in self defense and they become Victorious. He was telling the not to kill those who wants to repent. He told them to only kill those whom they know have decided to not repent and from the look prove to be source of danger in future i.e Al-khadir was sure the boy was a future danger.

Muhammad was even merciful even telling his followers not to kill unbelievers until they are sure that they are not ready to repent and will wage another war in future. This is one of the more reason you should love Muhammad

Let me give you the Quranic verse about it.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"So they set out, until when they met a boy, al-Khidh r killed him. [Moses] said, "Have you killed a pure soul for other than [having killed] a soul? You have certainly done a deplorable thing.""
(QS. Al-Kahf 18: Verse 74)
 
"And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief."
(QS. Al-Kahf 18: Verse 80)

MightySparrow:
After capturing Mecca, the prophet of Islam also ordered the execution of two “singing girls” who had mocked him in verse:
“…two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed…” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 819, Ibn Kathir v.3 p.403)

Concerning this I don't believe much in hadith but reading this I do have an answer to it..
Will you question YHWH or his prophet for doing exactly the same thing

II Kings 2: 23-24: “From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking up the path, some small boys came out of the city and harassed him, chanting, ‘Go up, baldy! Go up, baldy!’ He turned around, looked at them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two female bears came out of the woods and mauled 42 of the children.”

haekymbahd:
I want you to understand something I am someone who truly give utmost importance to the Quran and not hadith.The Quran shows who Allah truly is. I will quote from the Quran. Also I believe not all hadith are reliable some might have been corrupted but no doubt Quran is accepted by all.

First you posted some hadith but you have to know that hadith don't tell full story. If I tell you Muhammad fought in self defense and you bring hadith which talked about the fight and not what led to it that is not right.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 13)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:
 
"Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 39)

What I am driving at is that like the Quran the disbelievers in Muhammad cherry pick the war verses just like hadith but decide to not look deeper into the causes of such.

Let me explain this hadith to you. Have it in your mind that Muhammad killed in self defense I have referenced Quranic verse above.

In this hadith you could see it wasn't Muhammad that killed the boy but al-khidr. Muhammad was using am as an example to his followers. Al-khidr was with Moses during his time not Muhammad you know how many years difference from Moses to muhammad.

What Muhammad meant was that when muslims go to war against unbelievers in self defense and they become Victorious. He was telling the not to kill those who wants to repent. He told them to only kill those whom they know have decided to not repent and from the look prove to be source of danger in future i.e Al-khadir was sure the boy was a future danger.

Muhammad was even merciful even telling his followers not to kill unbelievers until they are sure that they are not ready to repent and will wage another war in future. This is one of the more reason you should love Muhammad

Let me give you the Quranic verse about it.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"So they set out, until when they met a boy, al-Khidh r killed him. [Moses] said, "Have you killed a pure soul for other than [having killed] a soul? You have certainly done a deplorable thing.""
(QS. Al-Kahf 18: Verse 74)
 
"And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief."
(QS. Al-Kahf 18: Verse 80)

See hypocrisy. Who wrote Hadiths, tasfir, Yassin.... They are all your people, Muslims.
I have met several people like you before.

قَـٰتِلُوا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَلَا بِٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ ٱلْحَقِّ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُوا۟ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا۟ ٱلْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍۢ وَهُمْ صَـٰغِرُونَ ٢٩

Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture,1 until they pay the tax,2 willingly submitting, fully humbled.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran


This is your Quran.
If you don't believe in this version of Quran, I can give other versions.

What good has Islam done to humanity, Nigeria?

MightySparrow:
See hypocrisy. Who wrote Hadiths, tasfir, Yassin.... They are all your people, Muslims.
I have met several people like you before.

قَـٰتِلُوا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَلَا بِٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ ٱلْحَقِّ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُوا۟ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا۟ ٱلْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍۢ وَهُمْ صَـٰغِرُونَ ٢٩

Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture,1 until they pay the tax,2 willingly submitting, fully humbled.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran


This is your Quran.
If you don't believe in this version of Quran, I can give other versions.

What good has Islam done to humanity, Nigeria?

Lol just calm yourself... I told you I personally didn't believe in all hadith that is me but at the same time I gave a reply to the ones you posted I believe those reply where sufficient for the Question you raised.

Apart from my perspective even the Muslim world themselves classified hadith into strong, weak, false e.t.c

The Quranic verse you posted here shows you are against tax imposed. But you as a Nigerian do pay tax as well as other countries too. It is a law and it is what it is.

When you fail to pay your tax Nigerian what do the government do to you this is common sense.

haekymbahd:
Lol just calm yourself... I told you I personally didn't believe in all hadith that is me but at the same time I gave a reply to the ones you posted I believe those reply where sufficient for the Question you raised.

Apart from my perspective even the Muslim world themselves classified hadith as strong, weak, false e.t.c

The Quranic verse you posted here shows you are against tax imposed. But you as a Nigerian do pay tax as well as other countries too. It is a law and it is what it is.

When you fail to pay your tax Nigerian what do the government do to you this is common sense.

I gave you Quran nah.

MightySparrow:
I gave you Quran nah.

Yes and I didn't evade the Question. you gave Quran and I tell you there is nothing wrong in imposing tax if you see nothing wrong in Nigeria imposing tax on its citizen.

We all know what tax are used for don't you, you also know what Nigeria government does when you don't pay your tax they fight you don't they?

Hence that does not discredit Muhammad.

Numbers 18
21. “Behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tithes in Israel as an inheritance in return for the work which they perform, the work of the tabernacle of meeting.

22. Hereafter the children of Israel shall not come near the tabernacle of meeting, lest they bear sin and die.

You should then make research on what the muslims do in return of the tax then you would see it makes lot of sense.

The problem with Christians they accuse ALLAH with the same thing YHWH is guilty of how does that make sense

haekymbahd:
Yes and I didn't evade the Question. you gave Quran and I tell you there is nothing wrong in imposing tax if you see nothing wrong in Nigeria imposing tax on its citizen.

We all know what tax are used for don't you, you also know what Nigeria government does when you don't pay your tax they fight you don't they?

Hence that does not discredit Muhammad.

Numbers 18
21. “Behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tithes in Israel as an inheritance in return for the work which they perform, the work of the tabernacle of meeting.

22. Hereafter the children of Israel shall not come near the tabernacle of meeting, lest they bear sin and die.

You should then make research on what the muslims do in return of the tax then you would see it makes lot of sense.

The problem with Christians they accuse ALLAH with the same thing YHWH is guilty of how does that make sense

How is this related to forcing a belief system on people and killing them?

MightySparrow:
How is this related to forcing a belief system on people and killing them?

How was belief system forced on any one, does paying tax mean to force anyone to convert?
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 256)

haekymbahd:
How was belief system forced on any one, does paying tax mean to force anyone to convert?
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 256)

Was this abrogated while you Muslims are terrorizing people everywhere, forcing shari'a?

Is this ayat a taqquiyya or satanic verse?

MightySparrow:
Was this abrogated while you Muslims are terrorizing people everywhere, forcing shari'a?

Is this ayat a taqquiyya or satanic verse?

I condemn terrorist act. The evil world calls or labels one a Muslim with the religion one profess. But in the real sense that is not who a Muslims is.

Regardless of what anyone I will say I am a Christian as well as a Muslim.

Suratul Muminoon, verses 1-7:
Verse 1: "Successful indeed are the believers".
Verse 2: "Those who with their Salah (prayer) are Khashiun (humbly submissive)".
Verse 3: "And those who turn away from Al-Laghw (vain, evil, or useless talk)".
Verse 4: "And those who pay the Zakat".
Verse 5: "And those who guard their chastity".
Verse 6: "Except from their wives or their right hand possessions, for then, they are free from blame".
Verse 7: "But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors".


Believe if I tell you being a Muslim is not by external appearance but by internal i.e One can y be a Muslim by heart and not by you just choosing a religion.

I tell you among the Jews there are muslims, among the Christians there are muslims, among the followers of Muhammad there are muslims not all.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 62)

I can call you a Muslim @mightysparrow if you are a true believer of Jesus. Jews, Christians and Muslims were supposed to brothers if truly we are able to reason with wisdom[b]

[b]Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah?" The disciples said, "We are supporters for Allah. We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 52)

In the Quran you would have see that Abraham, Moses, Jesus and all other prophets were regarded as muslims despite not following Muhammad since he was the last prophet.

In essence a Muslim is who truly follows the word of Allah. Muhammad fought in self defence. Only those who are given the permission to fight are those who are being attacked so you can only fight in self defense.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:
 
"Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 39)

Any follower of muhammad who do not follow this isn't a Muslim I tell you even though they might dress like one.

This same thing happens in almost every religion you will definitely see black sheep who lays bad example and try to destroy for the good ones and those fearful of Allah.

You cant because of a group of people decide to judge the whole Muslim world it isn't fair to be honest. Most of this wars are now more of political wars than religion.

haekymbahd:
I condemn terrorist act. The evil world calls or labels one a Muslim with the religion one profess. But in the real sense that is not who a Muslims is.

Regardless of what anyone I will say I am a Christian as well as a Muslim.

Suratul Muminoon, verses 1-7:
Verse 1: "Successful indeed are the believers".
Verse 2: "Those who with their Salah (prayer) are Khashiun (humbly submissive)".
Verse 3: "And those who turn away from Al-Laghw (vain, evil, or useless talk)".
Verse 4: "And those who pay the Zakat".
Verse 5: "And those who guard their chastity".
Verse 6: "Except from their wives or their right hand possessions, for then, they are free from blame".
Verse 7: "But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors".


Believe if I tell you being a Muslim is not by external appearance but by internal i.e One can y be a Muslim by heart and not by you just choosing a religion.

I tell you among the Jews there are muslims, among the Christians there are muslims, among the followers of Muhammad there are muslims not all.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 62)

I can call you a Muslim @mightysparrow if you are a true believer of Jesus. Jews, Christians and Muslims were supposed to brothers if truly we are able to reason with wisdom[b]

[b]Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah?" The disciples said, "We are supporters for Allah. We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 52)

In the Quran you would have see that Abraham, Moses, Jesus and all other prophets were regarded as muslims despite not following Muhammad since he was the last prophet.

In essence a Muslim is who truly follows the word of Allah. Muhammad fought in self defence. Only those who are given the permission to fight are those who are being attacked so you can only fight in self defense.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:
 
"Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 39)

Any follower of muhammad who do not follow this isn't a Muslim I tell you even though they might dress like one.

This same thing happens in almost every religion you will definitely see black sheep who lays bad example and try to destroy for the good ones and those fearful of Allah.

You can because of group of people decide judge the Muslim world it isn't fair to be honest. Most of this wars are now more of political wars than religion.

I lived in the northern Nigeria in the wake of Boko Haram insurgency. The used to shout ' Allahu Akbar' whenever they detonate a 'bomb'. Muslims laughed with relish, especially when they attacked churches or shot at Joint Task Force. Later the military changed their tactics. This Sultan of Sokoto complained that they were 'killing' their boys. One Dr Datti Ahmed was going to broker peace between the government and these bandits, later sheik Gumi. Are these Muslims terrorists faceless or are sponsored by the Muslim elites.

Besides, why is it that wherever Islam goes peace leaves, civilization and knowledge that benefit humanity dies? Egypt, Babylon, Persia were centres of learning and development before Islam. All those glorious days are gone with the increasing islamism. Northern Nigeria is battling both illiteracy and underdevelopment and barbarism.
What do you imagine a Nigeria to become in the next 200 years of Islamic domination of Nigeria, Africa?
What do we gain from Islam?

MightySparrow:
I lived in the northern Nigeria in the wake of Boko Haram insurgency. The used to shout ' Allahu Akbar' whenever they detonate a 'bomb'. Muslims laughed with relish, especially when they attacked churches or shot at Joint Task Force. Later the military changed their tactics. This Sultan of Sokoto complained that they were 'killing' their boys. One Dr Datti Ahmed was going to broker peace between the government and these bandits, later sheik Gumi. Are these Muslims terrorists faceless or are sponsored by the Muslim elites.

Besides, why is it that wherever Islam goes peace leaves, civilization and knowledge that benefit humanity dies? Egypt, Babylon, Persia were centres of learning and development before Islam. All those glorious days are gone with the increasing islamism. Northern Nigeria is battling both illiteracy and underdevelopment and barbarism.
What do you imagine a Nigeria to become in the next 200 years of Islamic domination of Nigeria, Africa?
What do we gain from Islam?

Islam was laid on the foundation of peace and not violence. The early fathers of islam only fought because they were attacked for preaching a different message. The evil ones hijacked it and used it for evil.

Suratul kafiroon Quran chapter 109
Verse 1: Say, "O disbelievers,
Verse 2: I do not worship what you worship.
Verse 3: Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Verse 4: Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
Verse 5: Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
Verse 6: For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

How will a Nigeria kill another Nigerian your brother because of religion it doesn't make sense for those who think. Or place bomb in a market square killing both Christians and Muslims and call your self a Muslim it doesn't make sense

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"Mankind was [of] one religion [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. And none differed over the Scripture except those who were given it - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 213)


Those terrorists you see in Nigeria aren't Muslims they have been manipulated and brainwashed by the evil one due to the weakness which they say in them illitracy. The most time recruit young children by slavery or kidnapping camp them then train them in their ways For the mind of a child is flexible.

One thing is serving God another is knowing God you serve (I am talking about the place of spiritual encounter with God/Allah).

They have been brainwashed to believe that they kill for God. Imagine a suicide bomber in a plane believing he died for God this doesn't make sense in the Islamic doctrine.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 29)


There are some evil ones controlling this people disguising under the umbrella of religion. I believe this people are those who hates Islam. Because their act degrades Islam rather than upgrade I am certainly sure if not for this act Nigeria could have become a Muslim dominant country Naturally without violent.
The terrorist are trying to dim the light of Islam but people of knowledge still see the light of islam despite this stigma people still converts to islam because they know what is happening and what the media is portraying is not true of islam

haekymbahd:
Islam was laid on the foundation of peace and not violence. The early fathers of islam only fought because they were attacked for preaching a different message. The evil ones hijacked it and used it for evil.

Suratul kafiroon Quran chapter 109
Verse 1: Say, "O disbelievers,
Verse 2: I do not worship what you worship.
Verse 3: Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Verse 4: Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
Verse 5: Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
Verse 6: For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

How will a Nigeria kill another Nigerian your brother because of religion it doesn't make sense for those who think. Or place bomb in a market square killing both Christians and Muslims and call your self a Muslim it doesn't make sense

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"Mankind was [of] one religion [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. And none differed over the Scripture except those who were given it - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 213)


Those terrorists you see in Nigeria aren't Muslims they have been manipulated and brainwashed by the evil one due to the weakness which they say in them illitracy. The most time recruit young children by slavery or kidnapping camp them then train them in their ways For the mind of a child is flexible.

One thing is serving God another is knowing God you serve (I am talking about the place of spiritual encounter with God/Allah).

They have been brainwashed to believe that they kill for God. Imagine a suicide bomber in a plane believing he died for God this doesn't make sense in the Islamic doctrine.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 29)


There are some evil ones controlling this people disguising under the umbrella of religion. I believe this people are those who hates Islam. Because their act degrades Islam rather than upgrade I am certainly sure if not for this act Nigeria could have become a Muslim dominant country Naturally without violent.
The terrorist are trying to dim the light of Islam but people of knowledge still see the light of islam despite this stigma people still converts to islam because they know what is happening and what the media is portraying is not true of islam

Respect.
I like the way you marshall your points . I wish all Muslims are like you. I am a Yoruba man. The trend of Islamism in Yorubaland lately is of ' particular concern'. There are these league of young alfas led by a monarch and some errant old imams and sheiks that are warming up for war. I was watching one of them on YouTube saying that their religion is a warlike religion and does not recognize rivals. That, if it necessary to fight, so be it. This guy would be in his twenties. Yorubaland is known for religion tolerance. I am a Christian, my best friend is a Muslim. We have been in friendship for close to forty years. Twenty years ago, no part of Yoruba land would you see an Imam or whatever advocating for war.

This fellow is being influenced by what is going on in other parts of Nigeria and Africa. Lately, lukarawa began to sack villages in kwara.

I hope your brothers have this understanding. If not who taught them what they are doing now?

MightySparrow:
Respect.
I like the way you marshall your points . I wish all Muslims are like you. I am a Yoruba man. The trend of Islamism in Yorubaland lately is of ' particular concern'. There are these league of young alfas led by a monarch and some errant old imams and sheiks that are warming up for war. I was watching one of them on YouTube saying that their religion is a warlike religion and does not recognize rivals. That, if it necessary to fight, so be it. This guy would be in his twenties. Yorubaland is known for religion tolerance. I am a Christian, my best friend is a Muslim. We have been in friendship for close to forty years. Twenty years ago, no part of Yoruba land would you see an Imam or whatever advocating for war.

This fellow is being influenced by what is going on in other parts of Nigeria and Africa. Lately, lukarawa began to sack villages in kwara.

I hope your brothers have this understanding. If not who taught them what they are doing now?

I can say I am both a Muslim and a Christian. I don't have any Alfa that I follow his footsteps nor Pastor guiding me. But I do read both Bible and Quran.

Anytime I read the Quran I have a clear understanding synonymous to when Christians say you need holy Spirit to understand the bible.

I believe Muhammad didn't tell christians to leave their religion and follow him but to warn those who follow the previous messengers (Jews and christians) concerning the errors and those who do not know the God of Israel at all i.e Arabs to follow him and know that he wasn't the first prophet others have come before him.

So for someone who allegedly calls himself a Muslim to kill a Christian is more like killing his brother in faith because both follow different messengers of the same God.

Whereas Allah never even intended for Christians to stop following Jesus but to listen to Muhammad and retrace wherever they could have wronged. That was what the message of Muhammad was preaching .
The Christians at the time of Muhammad were the violent roman Catholics and they were war-like of which christians of today later broke out from when they discovered that something was off in their ways and not the more calm Christians of today.
If Muhammad had been around today he wouldn't have fought Christians because Christians of today would not have really attacked him they are more calm now or instigate a war against him to kill him that is what the terrorists don't understand. They are killing those who didn't attack them.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:
"And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 46)
"And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 47)
"And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 48)

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haekymbahd:
I can say I am both a Muslim and a Christian. I don't have any Alfa that I follow his footsteps nor Pastor guiding me. But I do read both Bible and Quran.

Anytime I read the Quran I have a clear understanding synonymous to when Christians say you need holy Spirit to understand the bible.

I believe Muhammad didn't tell christians to leave their religion and follow him but to warn those who follow the previous messengers (Jews and christians) concerning the errors and those who do not know the God of Israel at all i.e Arabs to follow him and know that he wasn't the first prophet others have come before him.

So for someone who allegedly calls himself a Muslim to kill a Christian is more like killing his brother in faith because both follow different messengers of the same God.

Whereas Allah never even intended for Christians to stop following Jesus but to listen to Muhammad and retrace wherever they could have wronged. That was what the message of Muhammad was preaching .
The Christians at the time of Muhammad were the violent roman Catholics and they were war-like of which christians of today later broke out from when they discovered that something was off in their ways and not the more calm Christians of today.
If Muhammad had been around today he wouldn't have fought Christians because Christians of today would not have really attacked him they are more calm now or instigate a war against him to kill him that is what the terrorists don't understand. They are killing those who didn't attack them.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:
"And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 46)
"And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 47)
"And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 48)

Cool I read both but I cannot really say with the same passion. As a practicing Christian, I had to read about seven times over before I could grasp the thrust of the writ itself. I discovered that to understand the Bible, all books in it, the stories, the parables, the poems, the prophecies, the Epistles, the gospels , the revelations all dovetail. The read a part would produce a little knowledge. The central figure and subject, and object is Jesus, and Jesus only and His mission.

On the other hand, I read the Quran, som Hadiths, tasfir, and the philosophy of the four Imams that form the major belief - leanings if Islamic world. I still cannot marry the Bible and Quran.

I am yet to see the link except in some names but not theology.

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MightySparrow:
Cool I read both but I cannot really say with the same passion. As a practicing Christian, I had to read about seven times over before I could grasp the thrust of the writ itself. I discovered that to understand the Bible, all books in it, the stories, the parables, the poems, the prophecies, the Epistles, the gospels , the revelations all dovetail. The read a part would produce a little knowledge. The central figure and subject, and object is Jesus, and Jesus only and His mission.

On the other hand, I read the Quran, som Hadiths, tasfir, and the philosophy of the four Imams that form the major belief - leanings if Islamic world. I still cannot marry the Bible and Quran.

I am yet to see the link except in some names but not theology.

Okay, I believe there is nothing wrong in a messenger inviting the world to worship God Almighty (Allah) alone and to follow his servants which is what Muhammad taught and I believe what previous messengers before him taught.

On whether there is link between the Torah and Quran. The Jews are pure monotheist just as well as Muslims this two serves the same God (ALLAH/YHWH) as they have similar doctrine. The only issue Allah has with was them killing prophet, not accepting Jesus whom he sent to them. So because Muhammad acknowledged that Jesus was a true messenger of God they automatically turned Muhammad to a false prophet despite his theology of monotheism same as theirs. They teamed up with Arab pagan to kill Muhammad to avoid the spread of Islamic doctrine.
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‎Luke 13
‎34. “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing!
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‎35. See! Your house is left to you desolate; and assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
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‎Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:
‎"And [We cursed them] for their breaking of the covenant and their disbelief in the signs of Allah and their killing of the prophets without right and their saying, "Our hearts are wrapped". Rather, Allah has sealed them because of their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few."
‎(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 155)

On whether there is link between the Gospel and Quran in order not to speak too much I will liken the stance of the Quran on the Gospel to the Jehovah witnesses for example. Then we will understand ALLAH point if view.

The Quran itself believes the gospel has been altered/misunderstood to some certain extent. For me personally I only tend to focus on what Jesus says alone I mean his words when I read the New testament.

In a situation where YWHW/ALLAH is Almighty God and Jesus his word and messenger whom we are to follow.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:
"[Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 55)

"And from those who say, "We are Christians" We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 14)
"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 15)


That is the Islamic view of the Gospel which means seeing a link in the Quran and bible depends on how your spirit perceives it no one has a monopoly view in the end only God will judge.

Allah didn't even intend for Christian to change their religion but to make his own stand point know. Those who see points in what he says should follow those whose who doesn't should stay put that was basically what the message was about

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

"So if they argue with you, say, "I have submitted myself to Allah [in Islam], and [so have] those who follow me." And say to those who were given the Scripture and [to] the unlearned, "Have you submitted yourselves?" And if they submit, they are rightly guided; but if they turn away - then upon you is only the [duty of] notification. And Allah is Seeing of [His] servants."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 20)[/i]